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Posted by: SLASH91 Jul 9 2007, 09:23 PM

Hey everyone. I've seen a couple threads on what everyone's most favorite genre of metal is; and I was just wondering what the MOST HATED genre of metal on this forum is.

I'll start off: I despise Gothic because it just creeps me out.



And yes, I stole this list from the Uncreator

Posted by: icedern Jul 9 2007, 09:33 PM

NU metal

Posted by: Pavel Jul 9 2007, 09:42 PM

I would vote for more than 1 but unfortunately it's not an option! I voted for Thrash but i would also add Death and Black to my list!

Posted by: Pantalaimon Jul 9 2007, 09:55 PM

haha I never knew there was such a thing as "Folk metal"

Posted by: Owen Jul 9 2007, 10:05 PM

To contrast Pavel I voted Speed, I find basing a genre entirely on how fast something goes is a bit pretentious. Feel free to disagree.

Posted by: Pavel Jul 9 2007, 10:14 PM

I disagree Take for example Impellitteri - that band is considered a Speed Metal band - they have totally melodic songs - especially the "Screaming Symphony" album, the rhythm parts are just amazing, catchy riffs, and they are not that fast at all. Of course solos are killer because it's Chris Impellitteri himself shredding but hey - songs are amazing! I sure recommend you listen to it!

EDIT: Links removed for legal issues!

Posted by: Owen Jul 9 2007, 10:26 PM

Ah cool, downloading just now, thanks for taking the time to do that!

Posted by: Pavel Jul 9 2007, 10:32 PM

No probs! I even see your IP here Sorry for slow speed but it's still just a home server!

Posted by: Robin Jul 9 2007, 10:32 PM

I voted other, becuase I hate like 90% of all metal.

Lol, amazing that most people so far hate Thrash, death and black, wich is my favorite metal genres. Actually, its almost the only metal genres I like.

Posted by: Owen Jul 9 2007, 10:43 PM

Ah yes, the good old 81.132.42.111, host81-132-42-111.range81-132.btcentralplus.com

or something like that

Posted by: Pavel Jul 9 2007, 10:51 PM

Exactly! Ok you finished downloading - give it a listen and let me know what you think about it!

Posted by: Owen Jul 9 2007, 10:54 PM

The riffings quite decent and heavy, the vocal style is a bit stereotypical, I'm waiting for him to start singing about dragons or something

I'm only half way through the first song though, its alright, wouldn't rate it really highly, maybe I need to listen to some more

Posted by: Pavel Jul 9 2007, 11:00 PM

Singing is pretty different on all albums. This was just an example of: Speed metal is not all about speed of playing!

EDIT:

Pedal To The Metal is totally different album. I even think it's another singer here! I'll share a couple of songs from that album if you want!

Posted by: Manny Jul 9 2007, 11:08 PM

nu metal/screamo.

i cant stand all the drop c!!!!!!!

Posted by: Owen Jul 9 2007, 11:11 PM

Yeah! Go for it Pavel, I'm open to trying anything, metal/non-metal, so listening to a bit off another album would be cool.

Posted by: Pavel Jul 9 2007, 11:13 PM

EDIT: Links removed for legal issues!

Posted by: Owen Jul 9 2007, 11:15 PM

Thanks again!

Posted by: Pavel Jul 9 2007, 11:16 PM

For me it depends how the drop C is used and who plays on drop C! There are tons of bands who use drop C because they "think" they sound heavy that way!

If i go for low tunings i prefer 7-string masters like Petrucci and Rusty Cooley (his guitar is tuned to Bb)! Marcel Coenen is also great!

Posted by: Owen Jul 9 2007, 11:30 PM

Hmm, this is marginally different, the vocalist is still pretty similar though, its what I would expect from speed/progressive stylings, high tenor voices straining their range to the limits.

Posted by: LanceB Jul 9 2007, 11:56 PM

Same here except with Black being my overall favorite.

Posted by: Guitarman700 Jul 10 2007, 12:03 AM

I put Death, Because the "vocals" (quotes to indicate irony) Make the whole thing ridiculous.

Posted by: fkalich Jul 10 2007, 12:19 AM

2nd that vote

Posted by: Owen Jul 10 2007, 12:23 AM

Believe it or not it is a very difficult vocal technique to master without ruining your throught, sure it may not be your cuppa cha, but it is definitely a vocal styling no matter how extreme it is.

Posted by: Guitarman700 Jul 10 2007, 01:23 AM

Actually, i can do death vocals. Its just i cant do them while playing guitar. i actually do like nile.(as much as i can like a death metal band.)
EDIT: i dont "Hate" ANY Musical genre(except rap)

Posted by: The Uncreator Jul 10 2007, 01:26 AM

I dont hate any Metal Genre, i love them all, maybe not every band, but i love atleast 20 bands for each genre! I dont really "Hate" any music, i just dont prefer it.

The music i "Hate" is music played and or created for the wrong reasons.

Posted by: Kaneda Jul 10 2007, 01:57 AM

Is neoclassical a subgenre of one of those? Otherwise, I'll have to pick "Other" Although I wouldn't say "hate".

Posted by: Robin Jul 10 2007, 02:02 AM

Woaaahh wait what?! I'm confused! How can you NOT hate power metal?

Posted by: SLASH91 Jul 10 2007, 03:19 AM

Wow, I'm suprised how many people hate Thrash. It's one of my favorites.

Posted by: kethcup Jul 10 2007, 03:46 AM

HAIL all metal!

Especially Thrash!!

You just gotta man up a little to understand it! lol jk

Posted by: The Uncreator Jul 10 2007, 03:50 AM

Hate It?!?!?!

Gee Wilikers Robin I love Dat Power Metal!!! It was What Started it all!!!!

Posted by: FretDancer69 Jul 10 2007, 07:22 AM

i second that man. Voted for Death.



same here...seems like its quite an amount of Trash haters...

Posted by: timbo81 Jul 10 2007, 11:12 AM

drone doom, it's just too weird.

I don't like anything that involves screaming or just growling, I find it irritating so I'd have to say alot of death metal fits in that category.

I like hair metal though, who doesn't love that all those big solo's they do

Posted by: VinceG Jul 11 2007, 12:41 AM

Hair Metal
Nu Metal
Metalcore

Posted by: SLASH91 Jul 11 2007, 01:14 AM

Whats your favorite? You've look like a Death metal guy to me.

Posted by: VinceG Jul 12 2007, 01:11 PM

Yea I like Death Metal, mostly from the late 80's-early 90's florida style though.

Posted by: davaflava Jul 12 2007, 01:35 PM

Well the most brutal of all metal palys in drop c. DETHKLOK

I for one like dethklok

Posted by: Pavel Jul 12 2007, 01:56 PM

Actually there is still something lower than Drop C - a 7-string! Rusty tunes it to Bb!

Posted by: SLASH91 Jul 12 2007, 11:02 PM

Holy crap! thats low!

Posted by: davaflava Jul 13 2007, 03:40 AM

dang, thats low, aha

Posted by: Pavel Jul 13 2007, 03:48 AM

7-strings are usually tuned Standard tuning + low 7-string is B! So whatever you tune it down - 7-string is always lower!

Posted by: Fsgdjv Jul 13 2007, 12:39 PM

I took power metal, but theres a lot of other stuff I dislike aswell (lika speed, almost all neoclassical stuff, and basically all typical "3-minute songs" that aren't death or thrash).

Posted by: Jakub Luptovec Jul 15 2007, 10:57 PM

Lol guys... I dont understand, how someone can put there Death metal as most hated - have you ever listened to Grindcore? You know... if you dislike Death metal, you'd hate Grindcore:) Its just.... worse.. :-D Few months ago, i disliked them equally... in these days, i am actually starting to like Death, but my feelings to Grindcore are staying the same.. yet, Berzerker is crazy:-D

And from my point of view... i hate hairy metal:) IMO in those ages (80's...), shows (gigs) started to be more and more just about the show and less and less about music... And another reason - Pantera hated hairy metal :-P (i mean Pantera with Anselmo - since Cowboys from Hell, but mostly from Vulgar Display of Power)

Posted by: Smikey2006 Jul 15 2007, 11:56 PM

The Berzerker scares me even tho i am a death metal fan, i guess that is grindcore at its deathiest hahah i voted Drone metal because i like all genres of metal except for black and drone(industrial technoish metal) and i always considered old school and glam(hair metal) to be pritty much the same thing.. except maiden isn't really hair metal.

Posted by: Jakub Luptovec Jul 16 2007, 09:52 AM

Yeah, but I dont take Berzerker too srsly... its more of for fun for me :-D
Btw. till to day never heard the term Drone metal. Is it like Static-X or Fear Factory? Especially FF were considered to be Industrial metal on Demanufacture and Obstolette times

2 Smikey - Compare The Darkness (for exapmle song "I believe in thing called love") with metallica/iron maiden and other old school heavy metal bands and say, they are the same:) density, of usage of falseto is disgusting for me :-P

Posted by: The Spartan Jul 16 2007, 10:10 AM

NU METAL Industrial metal ...Rapmetal or whatever they call it...ie. Linkin Park (I HATE them) ,Korn... etc.

Posted by: Jakub Luptovec Jul 16 2007, 10:25 AM

Totally agreed, but nu-metal was for me like first step to metal:) My first metal group were LP - in sweet times of Hybrid theory... But now I hate it too..

Btw. (old) KoRn > (old) Linkin park > all Limp bizkit... (they were stupid all the time...)

Posted by: Owen Jul 16 2007, 12:05 PM

Anselmo may hate hair metal bands, but pantera were originally one, as shown by this picture :

Posted by: Jakub Luptovec Jul 16 2007, 12:13 PM

I'll plly make Pantera thread here soon.. but.. When someone says, he listens to pantera, he on 99,99999999% means their later trash/death/WhateverGengreTheyWere metal albums:) And Hairy metal influence was IMO gone after CFH album. Or tell me one song on Vulgar display of power with Hairy metal influence:)

Dont want to be rude or anything! I just want to prevent confusion in this thread

Btw. lol at Dimebag on that foto.. look at that fattie on top right on that foto :-D :-D :-D Its just too hillarious :-D

Posted by: Owen Jul 16 2007, 12:33 PM

He will only give you that answer as it is impossible to get any of their earlier albums with song titles such as "Ride My Rocket", I cant really pinpoint anything "hairy" amongst Vulgar Display Of Power I was just quoting someone else there.

Although it looks like they kept the same guitars looking at that picture

Posted by: Fsgdjv Jul 16 2007, 09:56 PM

Drone is miles away from Static-X and Fear Factory, listen to Sunn o)) for some quality drone.

Posted by: Jakub Luptovec Jul 16 2007, 11:12 PM

Lol.. just watched two of their videos.. WTF is that? :-D Five minutes of feedback?:-D

Posted by: VinceG Jul 18 2007, 06:35 AM

Dont hate drone just because you dont understand the music. Yes drone revolves around earie, atmospheric sound and some feedback psychadelia. Drone is not for everybody and even though all you hear are mindless feedback and screaming, its the scarriest most depressing music(yes i said music) you can expirience w/o expiriencing torture.

Posted by: Eat-Sleep-andJam Jul 18 2007, 06:44 AM

The only somewhat good quality of death metal is the guitar, and even thats not always that good.
I think Death Metal has no feel at all.

Quote from a Death Metal song

-John

Posted by: VinceG Jul 18 2007, 06:46 AM

I actually hate any genre with the word "core" on it, besides the original hardcore offcourse. You might actually like Grind if your starting to like Death metal. Grind and Grindcore is not the same offcourse. Grind is like an offshoot of Death metal but more on the side of 70's-80's Grindhouse movies theme to it. Its pretty much like an ode to a dead movie genre. Grindcore was the "exploited" genre with a lot of terrible bland bands that puts out boring riffs and mindless blast beats and have that "try so hard to be br00tl and gory" kind of attitude.

Listen to bands such as Repulsion, Blood Freak, Frightmare, and Impetigo. There my fav bands from the Grind genre.

Also look for my review on Blood Freaks album Sleaze Merchants on the review thread.

Posted by: Jakub Luptovec Jul 19 2007, 12:00 AM

I must say.. that I have changed my mind... i have listened to Sunn o)) longer... dld song "It took night to believe"... and it just... hypnotized me... That sound was.. not like anything, that I have ever heard.. its... just.. I just cant express it:-D
I cannot say, that I like it as much as my beloved Pantera.. but.. now I consider it very creative and... horrible at once:)
To make it "simple" (yet my feelings from that music - yes I say music:) - are very complicated ) I managed to "look inside" of that music.. and it really has some power and some really music inside:) Be it very unconventional or not:)

Drone > grindcore

Posted by: Mer-V Jul 20 2007, 12:57 AM

Whoa... All the genres, subgenres, sub-subgenre's, substitutions of sub-subgenre's and so forth, its dazzling haha. Only for that fact you can already dislike metal. I mean, its gotten so big over the last years that it spans a whole musical spectrum of variaties.

Anyway, I voted for a combination of the genres metioned above. I dislike Deathmetal for the sheer lack of melody, black metal for about the same reason (I can't quite come up with a difference between them), Gothic metal for the whole scene developping around it and Glam/Hair metal because it just wrong... Oh and one more, Norwegian Black Metal, that is just sick. They actually believe that they are above anything else and therefore light fires to churches in order to banish christianity from this plannet.

Other than the above mentioned genre's, I'm actually really into metal even though I really need to broaden my horizon a little bit when it comes to the bands I listen to.

Posted by: The Uncreator Jul 20 2007, 01:14 AM

There are actually quite alot of Death Metal bands with melody.

Try Arch Enemy, for example, amazing melodys, and solos, very melodic, in fact just check out as many Melodic Death metal bands as you can.

Posted by: lefty01 Jul 20 2007, 01:29 AM

I could not agree more.


I can not be more in agreement with you. I'm very happy to see, others are tired/sick of that crap too.

Posted by: VinceG Jul 20 2007, 06:35 AM

I believe the philosophy behind the burning of the churches in Norway was about the early tradition of Norwegian culture/religion. Norway used to be a Wiccan/Pagan society. Wiccans/Pagans were destroyed by Christianity because of its "blasphemous" cults and cultures. The Pentagram that the Catholics believe that is satanist is actually a sacred symbol for Norwegian Wiccans/Pagans. A Pentagram describes a goddess Venus, she represent Love and Beauty.

Now the reason for burning of the churches in Norway is merely the factual of going back to natural origins of Norway. The fact that paganism is big in the Norwegian Black Metal scene, getting rid of christianity in there native land was a show of respect for the origins of Norway.

Posted by: Anastasio123 Jul 20 2007, 07:22 AM

Whatever...burning down a church is messed up, whether its for buddhists, paganists, or christians...except if it was a church of Satan, those guys are just too weird for their own good.

Posted by: Mer-V Jul 20 2007, 11:37 AM

Arch Enemy... That's with the female singer is it not? I believe to have heard my sister listen to that a long time ago. But like I said, I need to broaden my horizon a little. Death metal is just one of those genres I can't really seem to get into. I ussually hear a nice song of some deathmtal band on the radio (streaming radio, mind you), I don't some of their others, and it turnes out that the one I heard on the station was one of their more 'melodic and easy-going' songs (people would still describe it as death metal none the less though).

And for the church's burnings, I don't see how 'paying respect to the native culture' in a land could justify destroying other people's sanctuaries. A church might mean s*** to them, but to a lot of other people it does have great vallue. I can see why some people might still be pissed off about something that happend decades ago, but back then, things were different. Nowadays, when you differ in opion about what so ever, you don't go bludgeoning each others head in and the winner gets to 'apply' his opion to the grey masses. We live in a time that two religions can live with each other, I believe its called 'peacefull coëxistance'.

Edited for language - Andrew

Posted by: Jakub Luptovec Jul 20 2007, 12:24 PM

You can still try Children of bodom as a stepping stone.. You know.. I hated harder metal, than LP and LB, when I started with music (before, I loved Scooter...). And LP was like a stepping stone. Then I heard Slipknot and first I thought OMG its so chaotic.. just stupid screaming, but I started to like some of their songs.. after, i discovered Mnemic, System of a Down and Static X, then SoulFly, then Disturbed, Fear Factory and now.. I can listen to all kinds of metal, without disgust in mysefl - except for glam/hairy metal... I am man, so I can't agree with things like this.. Metal is a manly gengre and this is wrong! :-P

Posted by: Mer-V Jul 20 2007, 12:52 PM

I've listened to scooter as well , oh boy, those were the darker days of my life. However the same thing you had with Slipknot, I had with metallica. When I first heard One I though to myself, 'what kind of guitarmadness is this?', but the more I started listening to their songs (and the older I got), the more I started to like them, to the point whereas I am today, diehard Metallica fan.

But as you say to use some bands as a stepup stone, that might be a good idea, if I had the intention to listen to death metal. I know that some people listen to it just to make a statement, but for me this is not really the case. All the music I've listened to so far, has graduately grown my interest, and have come on my path unquestioned for (so I didn't went looking for it, just because I wanted to like it). So I predict the same for me with death metal, I might start to like it in the future, but for now I'll just stick with the other genres ghehe.

Posted by: Anastasio123 Jul 20 2007, 08:56 PM

The first death metal i started listening to was Opeth- Ghost Reveries. Its supposed to be progressive death metal, but there songs were so unique and melodies so original I fell in love with them thanks to Uncreator's album review. I still don't enjoy screaming, I feel it lacks to much melody but I've grown to respect mor as a bonafide genre and I've found myself not totally skipping through all the screaming parts of Opeth's songs.

Posted by: SLASH91 Jul 20 2007, 09:34 PM

I really want to hear Otep sometime. Next album I get will probably be them.
BTW I dont mind screaming to much as long as the singer doesnt do it the entire song.
Do they have a lot of that?

Posted by: VinceG Jul 20 2007, 09:36 PM

Why is it messed up? In the early times, Catholics destroyed other religion and forced other to believe in God or Jesus. The fact that this people in Norway burned the history that killed there natural culture was not messed up at all.

Catholiscsm has the most hatred, bloodshed of any holy war that happend throughout mankind. I guesse if it happend hundred of years ago, it doesnt matter anymore.

Posted by: LanceB Jul 21 2007, 02:44 AM

It's still a bit of a shame though. Stave churches are very interesting pieces of architecture.

Posted by: Smikey2006 Jul 21 2007, 05:12 AM

Opeth = best death metal band in the world.. imo.. i here a bunch of people saying deathmetal is unmelodic and they can't listen to it.. Listen to Opeth.. Mikael is the best singer for deathmetal.. his growl is beutiful and his singing is grand too.. opeth is mixed because alot of songs are slower yet keep their evil.. the Grand Conjeration(spelling) goes back and forth every like minute or 2:D. .. not so much screaming in Opeth as there is growling..

Posted by: atomix1337 Jul 21 2007, 05:24 AM

Opeth FTW!!!! <3

I love opeth.... Oh, but the metal genre i hate is really the ones when the guy sounds (literally) like a dog barking, 100% illegible. I mean cmon ><!!

*RUFF RUFF RUFF* with super heavy guitar

My friend listens to the stuff, i think cannibal corpse is one.

Posted by: JCJXXL Jul 21 2007, 05:26 AM

It's messed up because people are suppose to be more civilized now then any other time.

But I don't want us to get off topic because I could go on and on as to why it's messed up.



To be honest I cannot stand any of the growling and bashing of the smash power chords.. I guess that would be pretty much most of the "new metal".

Posted by: Smikey2006 Jul 21 2007, 05:28 AM

No powerchords in opeth.. well maybe a couple but they play in d-minor tuning which makes powerchords sound bad so they must do somethign else

Posted by: fkalich Jul 21 2007, 06:57 AM

i'm not catholic, so impartial.

I have read three books (by university professors) in the past year alone, closely associated with the church. Largely because any study of European history (or Roman History at a certain point) is always closely associated with the church.

And i will say that without a shadow of a doubt, you don't have a clue, about what you are talking. Sounds like something out of a comic book. Sorry Kris, but could not let this nonsense pass.

Posted by: SLASH91 Jul 21 2007, 07:06 AM

The radical muslims over in the Middle East are working on beating that record though.

Posted by: The Uncreator Jul 21 2007, 02:13 PM

Yeah i can understand your standpoint about the church thing and black metal, but most Black Metal bands would never do that, as dark and evil as some of there imagery might be, alot of them are just normal everyday people who just play music they like. Black Metal has a bit of a stigma since that incident.

And if your not into Death Metal, thats cool man, to each his own.

Posted by: Anastasio123 Jul 21 2007, 07:38 PM

No hardly any actually, on there new album, they have songs with just singing, and his voice is great. I really suggest you pick up some of their stuff I always have Ghost Reveries playing on iTunes when Im posting on GMC.

Posted by: Anastasio123 Jul 21 2007, 07:58 PM

I'm saying its just not that nice of a thing to do right? I don't agree with the Catholics destroying Paganism either. I don't want a muslim temple, Jewish synagogue (excuse me if my ignorant vocabulary is off), Paganist church, Catholic church, etc- I don't agree with any of that being destroyed by other people just because they think they are right, because no one is right. I don't like what the Catholics did to Norway, nor do I like what the Pagans did back, stooping to same ignorant, destructive level. I'm buddhist by the way, and what I'm saying is that ITS ALL wrong. Not one house, church, I dont care what you call it should be burned down. ITS WRONG. Obviously if its part of your nations heritage, fine. But don't justify it, what the Norwegians did in response was just as bad, despite the situation. The less angry you are, and the less cared you are of your oppinion, the more you'll see that its all just violence and that none of its good. What about the Catholics that didnt do nothing to nobody? Well, the angry paganists burned down there sunday meeting place because they had to? It was their right? No one has the right to persecute anyone, and the paganists getting back was nothing but putting feul on the fire. Its the same story with every war and every peice of bloodshed thats ever happened. I think if someone here has a rather blunt and descent head on their shoulders, they can see that.



Lol

Posted by: chast Jul 21 2007, 08:04 PM

[x] Drone

I think this isnt music anymore.
Im not sure about whether Sunn O))) is drone or noise, but i think they refer to both of it.
You have to be a little bit crazy or you like an scary atmosphere, to like that kind of "music", i think
My favourite is Melodic Death or Symphonic Black Metal.

Posted by: Andrew Cockburn Jul 21 2007, 08:09 PM

Guys, this is a guitar forum, and the religious stuff is off topic.

If you want to discuss this, please start a thread on the Off Topic board, although I'd rather you didn't because discussions about religion like this are contentious and unlikely to conform to GMC posting standards unless conducted with respect and tolerance.

Posted by: Mer-V Jul 21 2007, 10:40 PM

Awww, nothing beats a good'ol religious debate, but I get what you mean, sometimes they tend to get a little out of hand...

Its not really that I'm not into death metal, and even though that might be slightly true, my motives do not lay with the fact that some bands tend to get a little to 'extreme', but just because I don't like all the screaming etc.

Posted by: VinceG Jul 22 2007, 12:53 AM

Yea, I guesse your right. My apologies to everyone for my behavior on this topic.

I'm a Taoist myself. Mostly for the reasons of all the religion saying they are right instead of just living while we are here. I guesse I didnt see that from my point of view at the time. I dont tend to speak much of religion but s*** happens.

Posted by: Robin Jul 22 2007, 07:42 PM

You're thinking about black metal, and I can assure you that everything negative you hear about black metal is extremely over exaggerated.

Varg Vikernes burned one church in 1993(I think?), he is a little messed up(still a freakin intelligent guy though), he is like a viking fanatic and I agree that chrstianity was brutal and cowards when they went around europe murdering people that didnt want to become christian. But! Even though I'm an atheist, I totally disagree with church burnings. NOTHING good can come out of it. Varg Vikernes, also known as "The Count" plays in Burzum and he is also known for killing Euroynomous, the guitarist in Mayhem, just if someone didnt know who he is. Media says that Varg killed Euroynomous becuase he wanted to be more "evil" than him(damn you VH1), but it was actually becuase Euroynoumous was a total bitch. Long story, and probably not as true as he says himselfs, but they were both a little messed up, but none of them were satanists. None were.

And yes, after Varg burned the church(also becuase he wanted to sell his CD's, wich he did), there were MANY kids around the world that called themselfs "satanist" becuase they thought it was cool, and they burned churches. There was also a couple of other guys that had the same opinion as Varg Vikernes and burned some churches.

Darkthrone, Immortal, Mayhem, Aura Noir, Emperor etc. etc., all of those bands plus many more are norwegian, they arent satanists at all, even though most people think that. They arent evil or nothing, they are regular guys, some of them have a great, uhm, "self ironi", I dont know the English words for that, but you know, they can joke about themselfs even though they have "evil" music.
Gorgoroth is the only black metal band I know of that call themselfs satanists. They havent burned any churches though. They are freakin nice guys in real life though, documentarys and stuff from TV gives a wrong impression. Its kind of an image thing, but man they are nice guys if you meet them.

Recently I heard of some Italian(?) group of people that started burning churches, but if you think how many percent of all black metal fans and bands that burn churches, its REALLY small. Most of the people who call themselfs satanists say it becuase they think its cool.

Also, there are different types of satanism. LaVey satanism(if I remember the name correct) is almost like Atheism actually. I saw a documentary about it, totally normal guys, and when they had "satanic rituals" they were just maknig fun of themselfs.

Gorgoroth are also satanists, but as I said, I met their vocalist on Friday, wich "is" gorgoroth, he is in all gorgoroth interviews and stuff, and he was a 100% regular guy. Laughed and talked.
His type of satanism isnt bad either, even though he might seem crazy when you see him on TV. He said that the only true God were in nature and that the christian God was just a control freak, wich I sort of agree with, eventhough I'm an atheist. "Satan" means freedom, and thats sort of what most satanists believe in. Believe in yourself and humanity.

Sorry for the long post, I just hate it when people get a totally wrong impression of black metal Its all about the music!


We're discussing about a music genre that involves alot of religion, in a few cases atleast/highly exaggerated, as I said in the post above. I personally dont see the problem, but if you want me to delete my post, no problem.

Posted by: LanceB Jul 22 2007, 08:34 PM

You met Gaahl? thats awesome!

Posted by: Fsgdjv Jul 22 2007, 08:51 PM

I'm sorry for being such an ass about this, but Otep is not the same band as Opeth, don't mix them up to whoever did. (Sorry if you didn't mix them up though:P)

And, listen to Robin, he's right about the black metal and church burnings stuff. (except I'm not quite sure that Varg really did burn that church down, as I understand there were no evidences except that he knew there was a dead bird or whatever it was at the church when it was burned down? I might be totally wrong about this, but meh. He just seems to smart to burn down a church, even though he also seems mad enough to do it.)

Posted by: Robin Jul 22 2007, 08:59 PM

He sort of went to the newspaper and confessed it(atleast according to a documentary I saw. Satan Rides The Media, finally a journalist that is neutral and not against one side or another). It was becuase he wanted to sell his music, and he did! He thought it was worth sitting in jail for a couple of years for that.
Buuut he got sentenced to the worst punishment in Norway becuase of 8 Church burnings, but only one of them was him(according to the documentary and himself...), and of course the murder of Euroynomous.

So far he have been in jail for 14 years, I think he will be released next year. 14 years is freakin redicilous. There are much, much, much, much, much, MUUUUUUUUUUCH worse crimes in Norway wich gets like (literaly) one week jail becuase he says he forgot to take his medicin. And then they stay at this hospital for about a year and then they are free men. This have happened in one case atleast.

Posted by: Owen Jul 22 2007, 10:59 PM

Apart from the fact that Emperor are disbanded;



One of its members was a crazy homophobe, the other a church burner. They're a bit wrong in the head.



Black metal is a bit daft anyway, to believe in Satan you have to be a Christian essentially anyway, to say that its a set of beliefs is really a whole load of crap to cover up the fact that its a completely stupid idea.

Posted by: Robin Jul 22 2007, 11:25 PM

I forgot to say that satanism isnt about a guy named Satan. Satanists dont believe in a "God", as I said, they believe in themselfs and humanity. "Satan" means freedom in some language, dont remember wich. There are like 5-6 different types of satanisms, but as far as I know none of them have a "God" named Satan.

And I also mentioned that most "Satanists" are just kids that think its cool, they dont know what it is about. Still alot of kids like this on some internet communities, man they are stupid.

Oh and, why do you say "Black metal is a bit daft anyway, to believe in Satan you have to be a Christian"?
Almost none of the big(or less known bands for that matter) norwegian black metal bands are satanist.
Varg Vikernes have never been a satanist, he burned down that church becuase his hostility against christianity and to promote his music, yes he is a moron. But very few actual black metal bands do this, as I've said a hundred times, most of them were just kids. The first church burnings took place in Norway by a few people, like Varg. And after that people all over europe did this, mostly stupid kids. The only black metal band I know of that are actually satanists are Gorgoroth. But they dont believe in a guy named Satan, they believe that the only true God is in nature.
I'm a little sick of people always combining black metal with satanism.

Sure, some of the lyrics are satanic(most of the time anti-christ, not really satanist). But take a look at Power Metal bands for instance. Are they really warriors running around killnig everyone? Do they really want war? Do death metal bands really want death and torture? Slayer got some satanic/anti-christ lyrics, but in a interview with Slayer they said that they didnt really mean anything with it, they just thought it was a really good title. "God hates everyone" or something.
I know not all death/power metal bands sing about this, but neither does black metal bands.

My point is, even though black metal lyrics some times involves satanic lyrics they doesnt necessarily mean it. Dark music got to have dark lyrics Aaaaand as I said, even if they are satanic, it doesnt necessarily mean that they worship some guy named Satan, becuase they dont believe in any kind of God, just in themself and humanity.

Sorry if it looks like I want to start a fight, but I just dislike it when people missunderstand black metal. Its all about the music, thats what most people say. But few people understands the music, you got to give it time to like it. Got to grow onto you.

Edit: just had to add: When I write lyrics, I (often)dont mean anything with them. Its just fantasy or ironic things, whatever comes in my mind. And I'm pretty sure many bands does this. I like fantasy in music, movies, TV series or whatever. I'm an atheist, but what would Star Wars and Battlestar Galactica been without religion? Nothing. I think its the same about music. If everyone only wrote stuff that is real and stuff they believe in, there would have been so little variation. Nile for instance, write about Egyptian myths and stuff, it doesnt necessarily mean that it have happened. They are probably just fascinated by the stories. I'm pretty sure you know more about Nile than me, but you get my point

Posted by: SLASH91 Jul 23 2007, 12:12 AM

My dad works in a hospital. And one day he came home, and said he opperated on some guy who said that he was a member of some group called Wicca or something. This guy actually said that he served satan. So, I think theres is actually a group who believes in God and satan.

Posted by: Robin Jul 23 2007, 12:19 AM

Probably. But the norwegian black metal bands dont. Not even Gorgoroth.

Posted by: Owen Jul 23 2007, 12:31 AM

I did indicate in my posts that the whole "its a set of beliefs" thing is a bit daft too, although I tend to tread on the path of thinking that most organised religion is a bit misleading.

As you know I do not like power metal bands for exactly the reasoning you gave above.

I dont "misunderstand" Black Metal, dont get me wrong, I know what its all about, I just cant understand the logic of the concept behind it, or any other forms of metal where people are just singing fantasy - to put emotion into something you have to sing in what you believe. Dragons, Faries and the Devil all seem to be fictuitous therefore have no emotion.

Would it be fair to conclude that most of both Black and Power metal bands have no emotion in their lyrics? If so, what is the point in listening to them.

Posted by: Robin Jul 23 2007, 12:50 AM

I must say I strongly disagree with that fantasy and superstition in music got no emotion. Black metal is all about emotion really. I think most bands have certain songs about superstition. Probably not bands like RATM and SOAD, political stuff. But most metal bands write about superstition, and if not superstition, they dont necessarily mean it. Slayer write about horrible torture and stuff like that, but I really doubt they want stuff like that to happen to anyone. But it fits the genre, and thats great. I'd rather listen to magical stories than listening to standard pop lyrics(going to a party etc.) or political stuff.

Just to get this straight, do you think black metal is bad becuse of the lyrics? In that case you should dislike Power metal and many, many other genres becuase of that aswell.
You like death metal right? As far as I know bands like, for instance Nile and Bloodbath dont write lyrics about stuff they mean/believe is real. Aaaaand also, black metal bands dont only write anti-christian lyrics. Darkthrone for instance, write about old sword fights, cold woods and mountains, war(like all other metal genres does), old myths and stories etc. etc.
And of course I know death/power/whatever metal bands dont write only about wars and torture.

I'm pretty sure most metal bands write about myths and stories etc. etc.

Posted by: Owen Jul 23 2007, 12:54 AM

As I have stated more than enough times now - I dont like power metal.

Your not addressing the fact - how can someone put emotion into something they think is not real?

If you pretend say, that you have the worlds best guitar, can you really enjoy having it, no, because you know full well it does not exist.

Posted by: Robin Jul 23 2007, 01:05 AM

Thats something totally different. Thats like saying you cant enjoy Lord of the Rings becuase its just a story.

But do you really dislike every band that write about anything else than stuff that excists? In that case, you probably hate most bands and genres that excist. Is Iron Maiden bad? Are all black metal bands bad? Does power metal sucks ONLY becuase of the lyrics? Does Slayer suck?
etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.

And pretty please, answer this: You like death metal, right? Dont anyone of the bands you listen to write about torture and death or myths and stories? Becuase every death metal(extreme metal bands in general) band I've listened to, write alot about torture and death, but do they really want it? So if I understand you correct, a band can write about death and torture only if they want it to happen, but if they dont really want it, but just write about that becuase it fits the genre, the band sucks?

Posted by: JCJXXL Jul 23 2007, 01:10 AM

Hmm... obviously not intelligent enough to know the difference between right and wrong.

The problem I have with Black Metal is not even how crappy it sounds... it's about tthe message. What they sing about.

How can singing about negative acts or imagery benefit anyone?
And the comment about them singing about some crazy stuff but they don't really believe it is absurd I think.
In order to sing about something don't you have to believe in it? I mean how many of us would sing or play a tune we weren't into or made us feel uncomfortable? Obviously they are very comfortable with the message their music sends out. So that tells me what type of people they really are.

Let me give you an example to help you understand better, lets say there is a band that sings about pedophile type behavior but none of them have ever acted on it.. they were just regular nice guys. How many of you would be comfortable with that?

This post was not to continue the religous beliefs/disbeliefs discussion but more of my opinion as to why I can't stand black metal.

Posted by: Robin Jul 23 2007, 01:20 AM

What do black metal bands sing about? Whats the message? Why all this hate only against black metal? Have any of you read what I wrote in the posts above? Have you read any death, thrash, power or heavy metal lyrics? They are often about war, death, torture, superstition, but does all those bands suck?
If I understand you guys correct, you disliked black metal mostly becuase of the lyrics? Gaaaah, just read what I've said above.

Black metal is FAR from the only genre that write about war, supersticion, myths, stories etc. etc.
And black metal bands doesnt only write about satanism.

I find it frustrating that people can dislike all black metal becuase of the lyrics, but still so many other genres, even the genres you listen to yourself, write about similar stuff. I dont care if someone hates black metal, but when people say that it sucks becuase the genre often have lyrics about stuff that isnt real and you even listen to genres that does the same freakin thing. Technically you should dislike every band that have lyrics about stuff that isnt real/things they dont actually mean, and that list is extremely long.

Posted by: JCJXXL Jul 23 2007, 01:25 AM

Why would I (or anyone else) want to listen about death and torture?

Sounds pretty depressing. So basing our decision on whether something sucks or not because of the lyrics is lame eh? So my pedophile example in my previous wouldn't bother you at all?

It would bother me not only as a listener but more so as a human being.


* It seems Slash91's poll has touched on a sensitive subject for some. I think it's an excellent topic to discuss but I am afraid some people are going to lose focus of this being a guitar forum.

This is why it's always best to not discuss religion or politics unless absolutely necessary because for the most part people are set in their ways/beliefs. And discussion on those topics usually bring the ugly out of people.

Maybe it's time for a mod to lock the topic?

Posted by: Owen Jul 23 2007, 01:29 AM

Slayer are pretentious, they sing about something they dont believe in then state that they dont believe in what they are saying, there is no point in that. It's like me writing a whole album about how Jesus Died for Our Sins whilst knowing all the time that this is not what I believed, its misguiding, its unintelligent and its evident that Slayer only do it to be the overaged scene kiddies that they are.

Iron Maiden, now they're just old geriatrics who ran out of ideas after their first albums, they never really had anything to say and like to be hypocrites, for example, to quote Brucie in the same article twice:

"Iron Maiden like to buck the trend, we're totally different from everyone else"

"I was looking for my tight leather 'Rockstar' pants."

Cmon' these guys are not for real, the whole 'Eddie' thing is just hilariously daft as well, "lets have a monster on our covers! lol!"

Does it mean anything? No, its just twaddle.

Then we have the Power Metal bands, lets not forget them, recycling Tolkeins Novels like it was going out of fashion, sure, they tell a story, that someone else wrote nearly 100 years ago and that everyone else has recycled since then, you cant sing about Dragons with conviction, stories should be taught with a purpose, a moral or an expression of something, Tolkeins novel was that, there are very close links to it and the war, it re-tells something that happened in real life. Power Metal bands do not do this, they sing about crap because they have nothing else to say, or because they find it "fun", that's not exciting, thats not expression, thats boring.

As for most Death metal bands, yeah its mostly rubbish, "rararararTexasChainsawMassacrerararar" but at least there are some Death styled bands who actually have lyrical subject to admire, bands like Opeth are a good example, Death is something we all experience in our lives, we all know we are destined to it and we see other people experience it, whether you find people singing about it distasteful is another matter, but it is a very real subject, its not pretentious or diluted if you find any of it that is pure.

Therefore what I am saying is that the Majority of Metal is rubbish, there are a select few bands from within it, that actually have something to say or for us to admire, the rest is all wrapped up in its own vanity, its about expression of beliefs, not copious amounts of leather, dragons and preachings of non events.

Posted by: JCJXXL Jul 23 2007, 01:32 AM

Too funny. Thanks for the laugh. LOL.

Posted by: Robin Jul 23 2007, 01:40 AM

Heh, there are many fans of death, thrash and black on this planet, obviously many people want to listen to that, and not becuase they want it to happen or anything, but becuase it fits the genre and in some cases it can be a bit amusing and terryfing, wich obvisously many people enjoys. I dont know what you listen to, so I'm not gonna say any more about that to you, but I know Owen listens to death metal, and death metal often write about torture, death, war etc. I'm not saying they only write about this, probably alot more, but it sounds like you guys are saying that all black metal bands only write lyrics about satanism, and I know that many, many, many, many bands and genres that write these kind of lyrics, and I know that many, many, many, many people are fans of these bands.

And btw, are all movies and books based on stories crap? Dont they have any emotion at all? Stories in general, are they crap? Does the Bible suck becuse many of the stories have probably not happened?


Yes, I am a freakin bitch, but I'm not giving up untill I get a answer why Black metal lyrics are so much more crappy than all other genres. Both death and thrash(etc. etc......) have alot of lyrics based on the same freakin thing as black metal.

So, every band that have songs about stuff that havent happened or they maybe dont believe in it sucks? Slayer sucks? Nile sucks? Iron Maiden sucks? And every black metal band that excist sucks, the whole genre is just garbage, am I right now?

Posted by: Owen Jul 23 2007, 01:47 AM

Ugh... your not listening. Read what I'm saying properly please.

I believe this answers this point :



Stories have morals and principles - thats exactly what the bible is - Noah may not have been real, but his story tells people not to get overly greedy, that is the underlying message, thats why stories are good, because they say something.

As for Black Metal, how can something be classified as it if they're not singing about the lyrical subject as dictated by genre, that makes no sense, what do Black Metal bands sing about if not Satan? And if they do sing about other things are they strictly Black Metal bands.

Posted by: Andrew Cockburn Jul 23 2007, 01:59 AM

I'm keeping tabs on this thread since it has the potential to upset, however, debate is good - since my last warning it has been mostly civil, if it stays that way there is no problem

Posted by: Robin Jul 23 2007, 02:02 AM

All I have to say is that this is amazing. You hate every song that have anything supersticious or whatever in it? Ok great. But saying that bands like Iron Maiden and Slayer sucks is going too far. You simply just cant say that EVERY song that isnt about real life in the whole freakin world sucks. One thing is to say that you dont like something, but saying that something is bad or sucks becuase you dont like the type of lyrics is just... wrong. I HATE power metal, I HATE most metal genres, but they dont suck. If you look at how many fans the different bands and genres have, it cant suck. If a band got skilled musicians, unique music, good melodies, but you dont like the genre, does it suck becuase of that? No, it just dont.
Black Sabbath also sucks ey? As far as I know there cant possibly be a Iron Man! Hmm, they were like one of the bands that started metal and have inspired so many other metal bands. Iron Maiden aswell.

If you just said that you hated these kinds of bands and lyrics I would have just shut up, but when you say that black metal sucks, eventhough there are so many freakin genious bands in the genre is just wrong.
I hate dimmu borgir, it doesnt mean it sucks. It is(was) unique and they got alot of variations, they got fans all over the world. How can they suck? I cant stand the redicilous riffing and vocals by In Flames, but still, they got many, many fans. Not everyone think In Flames is redicilous. I do, but it doesnt suck just becuase I think so.
I dont know how many times I've heard pop fans say that Jazz, blues, old classical stuff sucks. So I guess it does suck becuase they say it? Alright.

I respect other peoples opinions, but when someone says something sucks, when I, and millions of other people on this planet knows it doesnt, its just wrong.

Posted by: Robin Jul 23 2007, 02:20 AM

Hmm actually its not that many black lyrics that is about satanism, sort of depends on the band. Darkthrone for instance, sings about old sword fights, woods, mountanis, simply just some stories that they have made up by themselfs, wich I find really amazing and magic, and ALOT more, including some satanic and anti christian. Burzum almost only got magic and beautiful things. Stories that they have made themselfs or old myths and stuff like this. I just dont see how that many genres with that many fans can suck becuase that their lyrics isnt real. Actually I think many people really like fantasy stuff in music lyrics. I'm not necessarily talking about faries and dragons, I cant even remember that being mentioned in black metal. Immortal for instance sings about cold and winter. I can agree that Immortal's subjects and lyrics are getting old and cliché, but its still in my opinion one of the best black metal bands. Great riffs, really unique style, I love the vocals. I suppose Mayhem and Gorgoroth is often about just horror stuff, specially old Mayhem. But that fits the style freakin well, you cant sting about flowers and happiness in black metal, that would have been redicilous.
But Owen, and everyone else that thinks the same, do you ONLY care about the meaning of the lyrics? Dont you care about the riffs, the sound, the vocals and all this? I must say I find it quite amazing that you hate all lyrics that arent real, I thought most people liked these kinds of things. Maybe there is, they probably just havent stepped forward. I think we get enough of real life crap on the news. In my opinion music is all about the feeling and emotion, and I think exciting and mystical stories in the style of burzum and darkthrone is just amazing. If every band in the world wrote about stuff that was real there wouldnt have been any variation at all. I respect that you dont like these kind of lyrics, but it DOES NOT SUCK!


Just adding: Owen, I dont dislike you or anything, we have had some great chats. But in this case I just had to be a bitch, sorry.

Posted by: Owen Jul 23 2007, 02:21 AM

I never said anything about musicianship of the genre's, this conversation has been about lyrical interpretation entirely. The lyrical direction in most circumstances is misguided and false. I dont care about how many people like them, people have opinions and I feel free to disagree with them, just because something has a majority, it does not mean it is correct.

I never said that, I stated that a story or a set of lyrics, without a metaphorical reference or a statement of something like moral or an opinion, is a set of lyircs not worth reading. I think I've made that quite clear in my multiple references to the qualities of tolkein and the bible.

Posted by: Robin Jul 23 2007, 02:27 AM

No offence, but as I understood this you said that black metal lyrics(and also other great bands) actually sucked. I can respect any opinions, but it didnt even sound like it was your opinion, it just sounded like you actually meant that the whole genre sucked. Sure, maybe you hate black metal, but that one person hates it does not make it suck. I also cant see how stories HAVE to have some kind of guiding. Cant it just be a bit fun to read an amazing story to amazing music? Eventhough you might not learn anything from it?
I personally dont care if a band have crappy lyrics(Immortal.. ), but good lyrics are of course best, but not necessary to make a good band.

Very well then, I suppose we just strongly disagree about this subject.
I'd like to see if anyone else had any opinion about any of this.

Posted by: Owen Jul 23 2007, 02:34 AM

If it were just for fun, then the vocalist of a band is indeed not a vocalist, he is an entertainer, he makes a good noise, but has no expression.

Without lyrical meaning, a vocalist is an entertainer or just simply an instrument, thats essentially what it boils down to.

The best stories make you think, and what is music but a form to make people think, consider and enjoy things.

Posted by: Robin Jul 23 2007, 02:47 AM

A norwegian artist I listen to, have some songs that are sort of like poems. They are freakin beautiful and his voice and his music has so much emotion in it that I literally almost want to cry when I hear his songs while reading his lyrics. They make me picture places and they make me really enjoy the music. Its the same thing about Burzum and Darkthrone(and many others).
Aslaug Vaa aswell, norwegian folk writer. Beautiful poems and stories. I know it doesnt excist magic, but for me, music is magic.
Fenriz of Darkthrone is also a genious of a song writer. Also when it comes to riffs and drumming. Varg aswell, even though he is a bit crazy.

Its FINE if YOU think that it doesnt have any emotion, but it just sounds like you mean that lyrics without any special meaning have no emotion at all, that is wrong, becuase for many others it is very special and emotional.


I think I'm gonna stop being a bitch now

Posted by: Owen Jul 23 2007, 02:59 AM

A vocal line can have emotion, but that is not the lyrics, even so, generally folk songs and stories have a meaning, a purpose or entertainment value.

I just hate in general how Metal gets tied down to its collective genre's, people think - "Oh, we're going to be black" or "Oh, we're gonna be thrash", people should just go out there, and make the music that they believe in, not get tied down to this structuralised idea of what they're doing should be.

Without meaning there can be no emotion.

If I say I hated something for example, but I didnt really hate it, its something thats said without conviction - ie no emotion.

Emotion is the result of feeling something ie sadness, and knowing that the feeling is true.

If something is not true, its false.

Posted by: The Uncreator Jul 23 2007, 03:01 AM

One of my dreams is that one day the people of earth will realize that just because they dont like something, doesnt mean it sucks. Music is whatever you make it, THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS THE BEST OR WORST EVER, ITS COMPLETLY OPPINIONATED. So maybe one day, in a galaxy far, far away, someone will actually say, "Oh you dont like them? thats cool man, i like 'em though. There my favorite band, i think there the best" and the other person will actually just say "Thats cool." without sayin' "there just old people who ran out of ideas". Consider other peopels oppinions and try to respect them...PLEASE

Posted by: Owen Jul 23 2007, 03:05 AM

I can read what your saying, but the sized up lettering I feel is unecessary and a bit rude, if you want to get your point across do it like everyone else.

I realise musical taste is opinion, but that has not been the point of this discussion and I feel it patronising that you should so blatantly bypass that.

I have respected everyone's opinions here, but respecting what other people say, does not mean I should not expose what I think.

Posted by: Robin Jul 23 2007, 03:12 AM

I agree that its a bit silly with people that are like "omg we're gonna be so totally black, lets write about satan, thats cool right?". But if someone makes lyrics to a black metal band they often just end up fitting to the genre, dark and evil, not all the time though. But there are so much more than just evil and death in black metal lyrics. And thrash, thats just thrash, it got to have violent lyrics, its hard music. It wouldnt fit to sing about love or anything to thrash. Thrash is just awesome in my opinion.

"Without meaning there can be no emotion." As I said, for some it can, for some it cant. Simple as that. And there actually are alot of black metal bands that have really great lyrics, not only about death and destruction.

Hmm I dont see how folk songs have any special meaning or guidance. I just like reading the stories. Some are magic, some are just stories that makes me picture old beatuiful nature or an old farm. Typical norwegian folk stuff. Aslaug Vaa as I mentioned sings alot about a place called Nivelkinn. It is a actually place, but she writes about it more like a magical and wonderful fictional place. Stuff like this really speaks to me, I like to sort of dream while reading lyrics. Odd nordstoga, Aslaug Vaa, Burzum and Darkthrone I suppose write the best lyrics in my opinion. They are simply amazing, magical, stunning, they make me feel good, they make me laugh and cry, they inspires me to make music of my own. Simply just beautiful stories, it is emotional for many people even though it havent happened in real life or if they dont have any special meaning.

Posted by: SLASH91 Jul 23 2007, 03:15 AM

Dude, I dont know if you havnt listened to much metal but many genres have at least a moderate amount of lyrics about war, death, ect... You cant really listen to metal without hearing these topics sung about.I'm not saying that I know every metal band that there is and what they sing about, but I'm just saying, from what I've seen, there arent many metal bands that dont sing about topics like this.

Posted by: The Uncreator Jul 23 2007, 03:22 AM

My point is ive seen quite a few posts where people just blatantly say bands suck, and tell people how that bands is, that they have no emotion or whatnot. My point was, i wish people (and 99% on GMC Know this) that someones music is oppinnion, and i think they should respect whatever they believe instead of telling them how that bands is, and what they do.

Maybe i did go off topic, my point still stands, and i belive it still applys.

I apologize for the bold lettering, i didnt really find it rude at all, *EDIT* Fixed it.



This is what im talking about Owen, please dont act like that because you belive something it makes it true.
I know you think you must know anything and everything about music, but consider this. You say Power Metal recycles Toliens novels. 95% of Power Metal bands dont even touch the subject.

And by the way, Bruce saying were differet from everyone else, then saying he wants to find his leather rockstar pants, How is that hypocrisy, first off, There music is different from everyone else, he never said "We where clothes people dont ever wear"

Posted by: Owen Jul 23 2007, 03:27 AM

As all my posts referred to bands lyrical perspectives and nothing anywhere at all about their music. To prove that point - I actually listen to Slayer, Why? Because I like the music.

I was arguing a point so I used specific examples - those which Robin threw at me, I had to give my reasonings for my broad opinion and to do this I had to use specific points, I have never once said any band "sucks" and you can quote me on that, I checked my posts.

It show's Bruces conformity to what people think he should look like, he's hardly bucking the trend.

As for power metal, can you be specific, I can think of many a band that preach the Tolkeinesque - Dragonforce, Symphony X ect ect

Robin, as for folk songs, there is normally an extra layer, things arent ever transparent I find.

Posted by: The Uncreator Jul 23 2007, 03:33 AM

First off, i never said you said it, i said people, and i was talking in other places of the forum as well.

You DO Say,

"Power Metal bands do not do this, they sing about crap because they have nothing else to say, or because they find it "fun", that's not exciting, thats not expression, thats boring."


Right there, your telling people who like this music that its crap, Whats your problem? honestly man, youre better than that. Once again, 95% Of Power Metal bands dont even touch the subject.

Posted by: Robin Jul 23 2007, 03:34 AM

As I read your posts it seemed like you actually said what was good and what was bad. That really annoyed me. I can respect any opinion, but in this case it seemed like you meant that all black metal lyrics were satanic and with no meaning. I think you have to actually read and listen to a genre before you can actually say that its bad. And even if YOU think certain lyrics are bad, it doesnt mean they are bad. As I've mentioned a couple of times now, myths and magical stories in songs are amazing to me, and probably many others.

Posted by: Andrew Cockburn Jul 23 2007, 03:36 AM

Ok, that's probably enough for now, we have strayed far from the original topic, everyone has aired their opinion, and several posts have bordered on being uncivil.

I'm locking this thread for a cooling off period - I'll reopen it tomorrow.

Posted by: VinceG Jul 24 2007, 01:30 AM

I like apples

lighten up guys

Posted by: kjutte Jul 29 2007, 07:13 PM

I voted female fronted bands in general

Posted by: MkC Sep 13 2007, 10:24 PM

Hate Speed Metal..
i like Viking Thrash Melodic Death Black and Some death