So I'm interested to know of everyone's opinion on Trivium. I've been really geting into their stuff lately. I love it. I know that a lot of people hate them but not me. Even if you do hate them you have to appreciate and realize how great of guitarists Matt and Corey are. They are freaking incredible!!
IF you haven't listened to them i would definitley suggest it, even if you aren't a metal fan.
I would listen to Trivium a lo more if there singing didnt suck. The guitarists are good. Great actually.
I dont really like Trivium.
(edited my post after I noticed how cruel my original post was )
I actually quite love trivium, there new album they use all clean vocals and matts voice is really improving, there music itself is fantastic, the song "Contempt Breeds Contamination" is awesome, love the Death Metal style intro riff, there solos are another thing i really love, they seem to always one up themselves, and on top of that, there live shows are fantastic.
Meh, they sound like the sum of thier influences(with a bad singer).
Most bands are the sum of all there influences, thats the point of being influenced
I have seen them live. They were on before maiden. It just sounded like a big noise, you could only tell that they started a new song when they told you lol. People were like firing bottles at em in stuff.
I love them. Saw them live back in march 06.... was brilliant. I don't like them as much now they're not screaming.. and I don't usually like bands that scream haha - it just really suited them.
I think they should have kept the screaming and just done the odd song with singing like Dying in Your Arms
Honestly, The Crusade sounds nothing like any metallica album, as most claim, and the ones who claim this, havent heard but 2 songs from the album, "Contempt Breeds Contamination" is WAY more in the vein of death metal (Musically), and then theres Anthem, which sounds like a DIO Tune or something, and the overall feel and atmosphere of it is all of its own.
I think im gonna once again, be on of the very few on a forum who like Trivium, and once again, im probabaly gonna catch major hell for it.
Oh well,
As long as you aren't one of the "ZOMG Trivium is so amazing, they are the best band in the world, no one can touch them!!11!"
Prettty cool - I have just discovered them.
Ascendancy was an amazing album but I don't care much for The Crusade. The Crusade is a decent album but the problem is that I fell in love with the brutal assault that used to be Trivium and now it feels like a whole new band.
If you're into Trivium, specifically their heavier stuff, you should definitely check out Chimaira.
i think triviums first 2 albums ascendancy especially were absolutely incredibal and origanal! fonomanal works of art, masterpeices. their latest album the crusade i like even more! but every member of the band's faveriot band or top 5 is metallica and the crusade is metallica with some kick ass guitars as much as i love trivium i think they lost their origanality and should spend more time working on their albums to make it there own like ascendancy that was an album that told a story which i really enjoyed and i strongly suggest any metal fan buy one of their cd's its insperational matt heafy wrote ascendancy when he was 15!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HOWWWWWWW IS THAT POSSSIBBLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
"Honestly, The Crusade sounds nothing like any metallica album, as most claim, and the ones who claim this, havent heard but 2 songs from the album, "Contempt Breeds Contamination" is WAY more in the vein of death metal (Musically), and then theres Anthem, which sounds like a DIO Tune or something, and the overall feel and atmosphere of it is all of its own."
bwaa do you really not think they sound simalar? not threw the guitar but the singing seriously thats metallica!
Sure, they have similarities, but the crusade doesnt sound like kill em all, ride the lightning, master of puppets, and justice, metallica, load, or reload, and definetly not St. Anger.
I was trying to point out there sound is nothing liek metallicas, they have some riffs that are obviously as you would say..."Metallica Style", but you know what?
Who cares.
Trivium is one of the thousands of bands that are heavily influenced by metallica, and the only one where it is considered a flaw, And there voices.
BAH!
Heafy sounds ABSOLUTELY NOTHING like hetfield at any stage in his career, ive never heard heafys vocals and thought "That sounds like James Hetfield"
EVER.
Either way this is jusy my own thoughts and oppinions.
Quoting Manowar: ''Death to false metal!''
Well, you dont have to like the, and there first 2 albums arent straight metal, both have obvious influence from other genres, but there new album, whether you like it or not.
Is Metal
i don't what people are talking about when they say heafy has no voice the way he goes from heavy screaming to melodic singing continues to amaze me
yeh i also like trivium my fave song is detonation especially when it changes key and there is the sweeping solos .
i keep wondering what they will be like in a few years they've got lots of potential
Yes they do, they are amazing muscians and have developed alot since there 2nd album Ascendancy, i love everything about them, ive been a fan since they were just a local band down in florida where i live, and to see how far they come is just awesome.
Trivium kick ass, there live shows are great as well, they do Perfectly live, it reminds of maiden in the sense that there live stuff is better than there studio stuff.
I love Trivium's guitar play, but I am dead tired at all the metal bands who "growl" (scream) when they sing. I do know Trivium is trying to get away from that, and thats great but in any case his voice simply isn't good enough. He should hire a proper singer, and stop trying to be some kind of mini-Hetfield.
I really love trivium! Been a fan since The ember to inferno album.
And i don't care what people say about them, I've met them personally and they are a bunch of cool guys who just plays f*cking shredding master music!
<3 Trivium
Same Here man!
I Grew up in in the area they played in when they were starting out, i remember when i first saw them do a real small gig at a local venue down here, and now they are World Famous, and Have developed tremedously since ETI,
Ive met matt and corey, and they were reall cool guys, average peopel who just love metal and love to play it!
I still find absolutely no resemblance between Hetfield and Heafy, i can lsiten to Black Album, nd then The Crusade, and i can HONESTLY Say...
"Man, i will never mistake these guys for each other, they sound nothing alike"
What I do like about Trivium is that they know the value of a good ol' fashioned riff
I'm so tired of hearing these whiney emo bands (no offense to anyone out there ) who just strum the same power chord fairly quickly, only changing every now and then. No variety at all.
And I prefer Matt when he actually sings to when he growls. There is something about his voice I like. Don't quite know what.
SOMETIMES I can kind of see what people mean about Heafy and Hetfield - but it's only for very short snippets. Usually I find they sound nothing alike
I do like Trivium though
Pull harder on the Strings of your Marytr .. yea i really like trivium, they really are a more progressive thrashier metal than some would like but i like it, its sorta like shadows fall i think.. you either love em or hate em.. i love shadows fall too
I think trivium write some of the best new riffs, Contempt breed Contamination is aswesome, and the song The Crusade is full of kick ass riffs.
I think Trivium is an awesome band.... their guitar kicks ass by alot.... and for those people complaining about the vocals suck i think it's awesome and unique.... i was watching a video of MAtt heafy sweep picking and omg he was sick..... but anyways yeah... they're awesome...
I have also seen them live. They were on before Maiden. And although they weren't even in the same class as Maiden they were, in my opinion, very good. I've listened to one of their albums and again I think it is very good.
JT
First off, NO ONE is in the same class as maiden
Secon off, Trivium is amazing live
i like Acendency alot... i heard the single of Crusade and it really put me off... the song made them sound like a typical-rawr-we're-way-cool-metalband.
I seen them live early this year, I wasn't so impressed, it was at a festival tho. So i stayed for 5 minutes and then went outside and some awesome local band was playing some real sweet blues music. Yeah
Oh and don't get me wrong they are very good musicians. Just the sound was horrible. Blame the sound tech i think
Thats why i usualy dont like festivals most bands that have to play shorter sets, cant really show all there stuff in that short period of time, when i saw them on March 31st, they got to play over an hour, and that was one of the most intense hours of life, Dead on perfect performance!
i absolutely love the song Crusade the part 2:20 or so in is my fav
wicked guitar
Big trivium fan, saw them opening for maiden <as someone else on this thread posted> I find i can listen to Ascendancy and appreciate the song writing, the harmonies and the creativeness and have a good head bang at the same time- i'll just listen to the album all the way through. With the crusade i have to pick and choose tracks that have my favourite guitar ideas/solos in it, though i can listen to most songs all the way through i often choose not to. Detonation, To the Rats, The Rising, and The Crusade were great though. Can't wait for a next album though.
Matt Heafy and Corey Boleyoleyiuoiieoaoi are prety damn awesome guitarists in my opinion- anyone seen the "In the Fire" solo by the Roadrunner collaboration?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1O4X-L9z2VM
It gets me up in the morning, awesome vibe.
I dislike Trivium immensely. I dont think they even qualify as proper metal, unless you take them on the basis of their first EP.
The Crusades was just horrible. Complete Metallica ripp-off and I don't like their music either. Nothing special or new, which is really what Metal should be about, even Metalcore as exhibited in this case.
This is all however, IMO.
How is recycled Metallica "fresh", someone please clarify.
I must say that if you dont like trivium, maybe you should avoid topics about them.
Secondly, to me they are not recycled metallica, what you hear is differnet from what i hear, and if you cant understand that, im sorry.
Trivium for me, are one of my favorite metal bands, and yes they are metal, you most certainly dont have to like them, but they are metal.
So anyway, here are some kick ass videos of Corey and Matt doin what they do best!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4c3S42N0nb4
--The tapping solo at about 0:45 is just awesome, great melody!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhxFK5VQ-94
Cory and Matt do trade-offs from Roadrunner United's 'In The Fire'
Ill be watching trivium as they play with korn, evanescence?(sp) and atreyu, hell yeah, and such, this weekend at the Korn family values tour (spring, Texas)...
CANT WAIT...
Ill let you all know how it turns out
Woah, its a fair point I made, I dont feel the need to avoid topics about them nor should I, this is a discussion board and as you perfectly well know, most discussions have two sides to them, now;
The Metal Encylopedia cites Trivium as a:
Hey listen, i dont want this to turn into another fight, lets just take in each others oppinions, and forget about this.
I would say there is no such thing as an official categorisation in music, it's something that is much debated but rarely concluded or decided upon.
Also I'd like to say that my opinion is not purely based on other peoples, I'm just confirming what I thought with what has been said.
This is however, just apples and oranges.
As you may have, ah, noticed, I just dislike things being one sided.
I've always wondered what the point of debate was, no-one ever conceeds that they could in fact be incorrect, and no-one can ever confirm anyone else's correct or incorrect opinion on something but if we were in a perfect world and everyone agreed, life would be boring I suppose.
Also, I'm just a bit annoyed in general today because I pressed the refresh button in the middle of writing a review So apologies if this spiraled into a bit of a face off, I'm just a bit irritated
trivium is a great band.I really love there guitar work
owen u have the worst argument i have ever heard, 1.you say trivium is a complete metallica rip-off,
2. u say that trivium isnt even metal, so therefore you are saying metallica isnt metal, clearly you have no idea what ur talking about and u shouldnt even be talking in this forum, trivium is a great band and if u dont think they are metal you have no idea of the nature of metal music
^Lets just drop this.
We dont need any more arguments.
I believe Metallica's recent albums have been classified as Alternate Rock, it depends what way you want to look at things.
it's funny because trivium always say they thrive on the haters to talk about how much they despise them- especially on the net.
There's plenty of people reading this thread thinking "Hey there's a lot of arguments about this band, i didn't check them out yet though....Maybe i'll get their album, and their t-shirt" etc etc
I'm sure Trivium would like to thank you in person for this...
I think your right,
I reckon they probably strive off the belief that "Any publicity is good publicity".
Hey its true in many ways
My friend got into trivium because he wanted to know why everyone had so much resentment towards them, a week later, he had all there albums and we both had tickets to a trivium show
I quiet like them, and I don't think they sound like metallica at all. Sure influence by them, but the solos rip tons more
I Agree, while i here influence, there sound is way different, and there approach to songwriting is totally different.
I like Trivium alright, although I don't like his penchant for trying to write songs with deep meanings using polarizing topics and basis of real life events (Entrance of the Conflagration - that woman drowning her children, Ignition - disagreeing with government, And Sadness Will Sear - that gay dude who pretty much got crucified, Unrepentant - honor killings in a very popular world religion, Contempt Breeds Contamination - that person who got gunned down by the police). This is an element I think they tried to borrow from Metallica (Disposable Heroes, Leper Messiah, Creeping Death, For Whom the Bell Tolls), where they cover a topic but Met doesn't really try to get political about it either way. I just find that distasteful and it's distracting from the music.
And the other similarity I'll draw from Metallica is the "spitfire" style vocals that Hetfield pretty much popularized. Few bands use this style but I don't think Trivium should be knocked, I think Matt does that quite well.
All criticism aside, their early material during their screaming days could definitely be considered Metalcore, but even still, they have a HEAVY prog element that screams more "metal" than many bands I think of as being "Metalcore". Their most recent album is straight up metal, with heavy thrash riffs, prog style development, technical guitar runs and tasteful use of soloing.
All that aside, I'm very excited to see what their future holds considering how young they are and how much great material they already have out.
As for which album would be a great first album, depends on you. If you want stuff that is more familiar feeling, pick up The Crusade and you'll immediately recognize the thrash riffs with guitarwork better than Kirk Hammett ever thought about, or if you're more into the cookie monster vocals with some songs with almost Maiden-esque guitar harmonies, then check out Ascendancy. Both albums feature harmonies, but I feel Ascendancy is a little heavier on them . I'm willing to bet their future albums will be irrefutably metal, despite what something as horribly innacurate as Wikipedia might state (anybody can edit it, and for a contemporary subject such as metal I doubt there is any real consensus on what qualifies).
I Agree, except for the lyrics part, i quite liked them. I mean his appraoch to the subject was different then what hetfield or metallica might of done. Anyway, i think fot being so young and talented, they have got many great and wonderful albums ahead of them.
Defining genre boundaries is a tricky topic with there being so dang many of them now. I think that metal covers a pretty broad range of music with it's forgiving umbrella and I'm personally ok with that.
I loved Ascendancy and thought it was really "their sound" they were defining with that.
I'm not against bands changing and maturing their sound. That said I do feel The Crusade is a huge departure from the sound they had previously held - and I can definately hear the Metallica influence in the new album. A friend played it for me without telling me what it was and I almost thought it was a new Metallica album.
I think they're a great band with a lot of potential. I was disappointed at what I felt was a drastic change in musical direction with the latest offering. But I think that happens a lot with bands ( Atreyu's Lead Paper Sails, Nothingface's Skeletons etc ) - sometimes they temper it, sometimes they don't.
Andrew - I would recommend checking out both Ascendency and The Crusade as they both have their qualities and they're very different. As I said I would listen to Ascendency first if you're looking for an album that is a bit more unique ( I feel the same way about Atreyu's Curse vs Lead Paper Sails - Curse is just more raw and unique in it's sound to me ).
Eh, they're too upfront about their criticism, if they took a more "...And Justice" approach to it, I think they would benefit from it more, since metal fans in general are all over the board with their views on issues like they discuss.
Also, "Metalcore" is a subgenre of metal, not an offshoot. So I really don't think there is any debate on them being "metal", just maybe not your definition of "metal".
Metal: A Headbanger's Journey covers the ridiculous "family tree" of metal. Technically "Thrash" is a combination of punk and traditional heavy metal as well. But thrash is already established and metalcore is a relatively new offering.
I do like Trivium, I enjoyed the Ascendancy-album more than The Crusade-album, I just think Ascendancy sounds better overall! I've also seen them live, when they were touring with Iron Maiden on their last tour, and tomorrow Im going to see them at Helsinki in The Black Crusade-tour with Machine Head! it's going to be sweet!
It's a shame really. I have tried to get into bands like Trivium,Soilwork, Killswitch Engaged....but I can't stand loud voices and screaming away. The best thing is that I quite like when they sing in a normal tone. About composition and instruments played I love it. Maybe I'm getting old ( sniff )
Well trivium dont really do screams anymore, Matt Heafy does mainly clean vocals now, like so...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rSfGtLzshc
I like Trivium! They remember me to "And justice for all" album and that's great. However I think that they have their own personality. It's great to have new bands like this one nowadays.
gabriel.-
+1 to that
I just have to add that they were amazing live on Friday at the Black Crusade gig! They played To The Rats, Fugue, Gunshot, Becoming the Dragon, Pull harder, Rain, Anthem and Entrance of the conflagration. They were so energetic and played brilliantly, and the crowd was just nuts when they played! It was an awesome gig!
Yeah Trivium put on an awesome show, ive seen em 3 times, most recently was back in March, one of the most intense shows!
I liked thier first album better, I'm not a big fan of the second one, but those dudes can play!
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