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Jan 8 2013, 09:55 PM
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Great idea Matt!
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Jan 9 2013, 07:57 AM
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Hi Matt nice to see you here
I'm currently studying triads, taking Tomo Fujita's advice and learning them on string sets, and then superimposing them to get extended chords. I'm hoping it helps me around the fretboard a little more, get me out of positional playing and will be a good foundation to tackle Ted Greene style chord melody It might help me make all the samey music at church a little more interesting too! One thing I'm interested in learning well is functional harmony and chord substitutions (I know a few basic things). Even though I don't play jazz, I'd love to look at it and see how I could incorporate it into the styles and music I do play. This post has been edited by PosterBoy: Jan 9 2013, 08:02 AM -------------------- My SoundCloud
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Jan 9 2013, 11:16 AM
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Those Spread triads are like the ones Eric Johnson and Neil Zaza use aren't they
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Jan 9 2013, 10:11 PM
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I'll share the my triad fretboard diagrams as I make them.
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Jan 9 2013, 10:36 PM
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cool thanks!
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Jan 10 2013, 09:52 AM
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For those looking to check out those spread voicing triads mentioned earlier, here's a link to some fingerings and exercises on those shapes.
http://fretterverse.com/2012/04/10/expand-...voicing-triads/ Check them out. Not too hard to grab on the fretboard, but a fun way to expand your triad knowledge and application while sounding hip at the same time. -------------------- |
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Jan 10 2013, 06:22 PM
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When I was teenager I had no idea about diads or playing the cool 'spread' voicings Matt has mentioned. But I played in bands relatively early and the piano players and lead guitarists and even bass players would tell me, "what your playing is correct but do less of it - hit fewer notes in those chords". So my 'personal' solution was just to mute a few of the strings/notes in the chord shapes I knew. To this day I still do that even though I now consciously know what group of 3 notes I want/need to play.
I studied with Ted Greene a bit. Here's some very cool pages of 'Ted' chords http://tedgreene.com/teaching/chords.asp The smaller voicings are usually labeled Two Note Comping or Chord Hearts. These are all small download PDFs. You can also learn a lot about effective guitar comping by studying just one hand of a piano player (usually the right hand). For example a very common C13 voicing for a piano player (as well as a horn section) is Bb E A D G C low to high. 677788 on guitar, low string to high string. Just take a piece of that - the top 3 or 4 strings maybe or the middle strings. When you play with a piano player and/or another guitarist you don't need roots, 5ths or even thirds sometimes. 50% of the time I'll even leave out the b7 in a real 13th chord - because I know someone else is gonna get it (usually). Great topic! This post has been edited by klasaine: Jan 10 2013, 06:32 PM -------------------- - Ken Lasaine
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Jan 10 2013, 06:27 PM
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Klasaine, you studied with Ted, I'm so jealous of you. I love watching what we have of his teachings and seminars on you tube, a lot goes over my head, but some of it goes in. You can watch them over and over again and take something different away.
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Jan 10 2013, 06:39 PM
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Yeah, Ted was something else let me tell you.
Anyone who's sat in front of TG when he was playing comes away with the same impression ... this is the best guitar player in the world and one of the finest musicians ever. Unfortunately he recorded only two records of which only one was released officially and though the video stuff is cool from a pedagogical perspective it really doesn't showcase him in the best light - the sound is bad, the light is bad, since most of it is seminars he stops in the middle of tunes, focuses on addressing a question, etc. But it's all we have left and it's great that we have that website to take advantage of. This post has been edited by klasaine: Jan 10 2013, 06:40 PM -------------------- - Ken Lasaine
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Jan 11 2013, 02:39 AM
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It's interesting that when you start to limit your note count you actually increase their usefulness and application possibilities. That sort of references Matt's Jim Hall quote.
Here's a cool 'modern' ii - V - I in C major utilizing three notes per chord. Dm11: GCF xx556x G7b9b5: Ab Db F xx666x Cmaj13: ADG xx778x Now lets extrapolate that to a nice, mod iii VI ii V I *I'm not writing all the extensions on the changes, just the basic functional name of the chord. Em - xx778x A7 - xx888x Dm - xx556x A7 - xx666x C - xx955x (or, xx778x ... you notice the C and Em are the same collection of notes) Extra Credit: Here's something that's REALLY important to understand. This collection of notes: x x 12 12 12 x - DGB can function as several different chords depending on the context. It can be a type of : Cmajor, Dsus, Em7, Falt, G, A maj or min11, Bm(#5). The following are pretty esoteric - C#alt/dom, Ebmaj7#5 ... then, just altering note of the three can completely change everything. It's endless once you start factoring in various bass notes, what a keyboard player might play and then the melody note(s) on top. Try not to think of this as confusing or complicated - it's 'liberating' ... 3 notes and I can do all that. Again, the Jim Hall quote comes to mind. Are any of you guys here hip to Mick Goodrick's book 'The Advancing Guitarist'? Without a doubt one of the most important books ever written for guitarists. This post has been edited by klasaine: Jan 11 2013, 04:48 AM -------------------- - Ken Lasaine
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