Guitarists, rock metal etc Options

[kevvyg]

I'm glad this topic is popular, and I think from all your replies that the concensus of opinion is that there are a lot of great rock and HM bands about, (and prpbably new bands playing in the 80's 'style'), you just have to look for them. I also agree that we shouldn't live in the past, I'd just be a little happier to see more young bands taking on the mantle of the greats, such as Black Sabbath etc. I am, however, very happy that there is still so much rock about, and a good job too, considering all the dross that's out there at the moment.
I saw an advert on TV the other night for a 'Kerrang' CD. It had the likes of 'Green Day', and 'My Chemical Romance'.
Please tell me these bands are not classed as HM now! - Has 'Kerrang' gone soft?!! As far as I can tell 'Green Day' and 'MCR' are more like pop groups for 14 year old schoolgirls.
I can't recall anyone on the forum asking for a lesson in the style of 'My Chemical Romance'!!
Anyway, I'll keep practicing, and hope to get in a band and play some decent music, before I get too old. I'll keep my eye out for good new bands. Thankfully, I discovered A7X a couple of years ago!! I'll also check out 'Airborne'. Thanks for that tip!

KG

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[Marcus Siepen]

Get even!! .... arr "Samson" those where the days

And I thought I would be the only one to know and love old Samson
About the topic, I absolutely agree with Daniel, the music industry is not interested in building new bands anymore, they just clone whatever might be successful in the moment to make some fast and easy cash, and as soon as the next style is hip they drop those clones to sign some new ones.

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[kevvyg]

Hi, thanks for all your feedback. In answer to some of the comments along the lines that we don't want to live in the past, I quite agree - there IS a lot of great rock music about today, but as there was also a lot of great rock about in the 70s and 80s, I don't think we should allow a whole genre of music to disappear without trace.
I don't necessarily want 'copies' of the great bands, but I would like to see more new bands doing similar stuff. The 80s rock and metal bands gave us some of the classic tracks of all time, and their music was good! I know metal has moved on, but surely all new bands don't HAVE to sound like Sepultura or Trivium. It would be a great shame if we never heard music 'in the style of', say ACDC, Whitesnake, Iron Maiden, etc, again, just because we've 'moved on'.
I can listen to a certain amount of thrashing doom metal, but after a while, I like to listen to something just as heavy, but maybe a little more melodic!
There seems to be a disturbing trend these days for people to think that just because something is more than 5 minutes old, it must be c**p, (Hope that doesn't count as a swear word!), but that's just not true. If something's good, it stays good. I come across people who have the attitude that classical music, such as Mozart and Beethoven is rubbish, just because it's old. We know, as musicians, that is blatantly untrue. Ok, there are no more Mozarts about at the moment, but that shouldn't mean that there shouldn't be more Iron Maidens!!!!

KG

Ps Saw The Scorpions Sunday night - they still rock!!!! (...Like a Hurricane, of course).

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This post has been edited by kevvyg: Oct 21 2008, 01:26 PM

[Smikey2006]

If you aren't finding great musical groups today you just aren't trying hard enough
Experimental and Ambient music are creating some great pieces which i will remember as classics. We have instrumental composers such as Steve Vai and Joe Satriani (especially Vai) who are writing entire symphony's. Guys like this could be considered the Motzarts of our time. Sometimes the best Orchestrial pieces lay hidden(check out movie sound tracks ). Im going to throw out a bunch of links to the hidden (symphony's of today)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ix5rI2YG-ns...id=event_169416

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g45NzH4e_WU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sGJPyGFgIU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JkksFySAiE...feature=related

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUkEvXWk68c...feature=related

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOsgv_X_cV8...feature=related

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRFaf4k6cZg

and this is for the rock is dead comment

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fusea...endid=408742213

these guys got huge potential

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This post has been edited by Smikey2006: Oct 21 2008, 04:06 PM

[superize]

I was born in the late 80 s so i didient really listened to those bands and i never do it today either i like the 90s and 00s metal bands like Hammerfall, Rhapsody, Children of bodom etc etc......

It dosent mean that i didnet like theese old chool rock metal bands i just like the new one more.....

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[mjsteps]

I was born in the late 80 s so i didient really listened to those bands and i never do it today either i like the 90s and 00s metal bands like Hammerfall, Rhapsody, Children of bodom etc etc......

It dosent mean that i didnet like theese old chool rock metal bands i just like the new one more.....

Well it seems to me that the metal/rock genre has expanded since the 80's in the sense that we now have death metal,thrash, emo and so on. But I must say having grown up between the likes of Aerosmith, Kiss, AC/Dc and all the hair metal bands I find since then some good stuff. Nirvanna, Creed for instance.
As far as new stuff today Seether, Shinedown, Alterbridge, BuckCherry,Disturbed etc. So at least to me there is still good stuff being made but to me it's in more abundance. Happy listening.

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[staticstef]

Hey im glad you brought up this topic i was debating starting it myself , i agree 100% with you 70 and 80's music is soo much better and not as lazy as todays music we here. Ill be honest that the rock we have today does not motivate me to play guitar at all, infact it makes me want to learn to play the flute or something instead lol (only joking). Stuff that we have today such as indie rock (dont get me wrong i listen to it but i dont find it as inspiring as bands like Dio, BS, Iron Maiden, AC DC and so on) is very lazy music, it has rythm but its not as demanding to play, its like these players picked up a guitar and practice like couple of hours a week for a few years and now make millions. Its kind of scary because it seems like the rock and metal style from the 80's is slowly dying, no one is replacing them . 80's we had awsome bands that played very technical stuff today we have lazy bands like arctic monkeys and kooks (even though they make some catchy stuff lol)

Bring back the 80's in my opinion haha

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[J.E.]

Well Its that "I wont listen to/play the music my mom and dad likes" So thats why we are ending up with that crummy music of today. And those true rocker souls cant get a demo because "in todays market it wont sell"

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[Fsgdjv]

Geez, I can't believe there actually are people who think that all of todays music is really simple and takes no skill. What rock have you been living under since the "golden days"?

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[J.E.]

I didnt mean all of todays music of course theres a lot of good music but i think a lot of it has lost it soul too much britney pop out there. And btw i havent been living under a rock Fsgdjv but maybe you have?

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[Guitarman700]

My previous post in this thread stands. Rock and Metal are better in this day and age then they ever have been, we have insanely creative artists like Tool, Opeth and Nevermore, some of the best music ever has been released in the last 20 years. Music, as an art form, evolves, and thats the best thing about it!

Amazing Albums in the last 20 years:
Tool- Every Album!
Opeth- Morningrise, Blackwater Park and Ghost Reveries
Coheed and Cambria- The latest two albums are great Prog Rock
Nevermore- Again, all thier albums
Megadeth- Rust In Peace, The System Has Failed, United Abomonations and the upcoming 2009 album
Amon Amarth- All their albums
Emperor- Every album!
I better stop before i list my whole collection!

Edit: oh, and Smikey, You win at life for posting Explosions in the sky videos!

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[Smikey2006]

Hey im glad you brought up this topic i was debating starting it myself , i agree 100% with you 70 and 80's music is soo much better and not as lazy as todays music we here. Ill be honest that the rock we have today does not motivate me to play guitar at all, infact it makes me want to learn to play the flute or something instead lol (only joking). Stuff that we have today such as indie rock (dont get me wrong i listen to it but i dont find it as inspiring as bands like Dio, BS, Iron Maiden, AC DC and so on) is very lazy music, it has rythm but its not as demanding to play, its like these players picked up a guitar and practice like couple of hours a week for a few years and now make millions. Its kind of scary because it seems like the rock and metal style from the 80's is slowly dying, no one is replacing them . 80's we had awsome bands that played very technical stuff today we have lazy bands like arctic monkeys and kooks (even though they make some catchy stuff lol)

Bring back the 80's in my opinion haha

Look at the whole genre of metal.. if those guitarists and drummers are lazy than i don't want to see not being lazy

My previous post in this thread stands. Rock and Metal are better in this day and age then they ever have been, we have insanely creative artists like Tool, Opeth and Nevermore, some of the best music ever has been released in the last 20 years. Music, as an art form, evolves, and thats the best thing about it!

Amazing Albums in the last 20 years:
Tool- Every Album!
Opeth- Morningrise, Blackwater Park and Ghost Reveries
Coheed and Cambria- The latest two albums are great Prog Rock
Nevermore- Again, all thier albums
Megadeth- Rust In Peace, The System Has Failed, United Abomonations and the upcoming 2009 album
Amon Amarth- All their albums
Emperor- Every album!
I better stop before i list my whole collection!

Edit: oh, and Smikey, You win at life for posting Explosions in the sky videos!

Explosions in the Sky are innovators.. Ambient experimental music is absolutely amazing, ive found a bunch of other great bands just like them but that are not nearly as well known just because this is a genre of music that doesn't the the attention it deserves

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This post has been edited by Smikey2006: Oct 22 2008, 06:04 PM

[Fsgdjv]

Explosions in the Sky are innovators.. Ambient experimental music is absolutely amazing, ive found a bunch of other great bands just like them but that are not nearly as well known just because this is a genre of music that doesn't the the attention it deserves

Explosions are innovators and one of the best bands around, yes. But 95% of all post rock bands are uncreative people who just copy explosions in the sky's formula and do exactly the same, and post rock is the thing that all cool indie people listen to, so no, it doesn't get any less attention that it deserves. It gets a lot of attention, and even though I love a lot of the genre, just no. It's not a genre full of great innovators, it has some, but it's got mostly copycats.

I suppose that's the problem with all music, but lets face it, wasn't the 70's and 80's also full of copycats? I agree that the bands that were famous in the 70's are bands that I prefer a bit over the bands that are super famous right now, but I'd take Brittney Spears over Hair Metal any day.

And Jarl Emil: I haven't noticed that anyway, but thank you for asking.

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[Guitarman700]

Look at the whole genre of metal.. if those guitarists and drummers are lazy than i don't want to see not being lazy




Explosions in the Sky are innovators.. Ambient experimental music is absolutely amazing, ive found a bunch of other great bands just like them but that are not nearly as well known just because this is a genre of music that doesn't the the attention it deserves

PM them to me please. i LOVE that genre!

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[Oxac]

myspace.com/dirtytouch Pretty cool band, very kiss-ish. They have recorded a Demo and played a couple of gigs. I suggest you check 'em out. Was to one of their gigs, great show they put on.

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[kevvyg]

No arguing guys!!
We all have our favourites, and I WILL check out all of the suggestions above!
Not sure anyone would prefer Britney over 80s metal though. (Although she is more pleasing to the eye than a lot of the members of the old bands - especially from behind).
I think the bottom line should be that there's still a lot of rock and metal out there to please everyone(Thank heavens!) I (and a lot of people by the sound of it) still love the 80s metal sound. When I saw the Scorpions last Sunday, there were quite a lot of younger people there, AND they knew all the lyrics, so I don't think they were there just for the ride-out with their parents. I think the main point I was making originally was that if a large proportion of people learning the guitar turn to the old masters for inspiration, then they must like the music, and I would have assumed that at least some of the learners would go on to produve music along the same or similar lines. This may of course be happeneing, it's just that you'd have to go out and actually find these bands, ie in local pubs etc. I like loads of different styles of rock, and if I formed a band, I'd be hard pushed to play just one genre because i'd be missing out on the others. One set would have to consist of blues, rock, metal, and thrash!!
I just think, and it's only my opinion of course, that stuff from Iron Maiden, Black Sabbath etc is more listenable sometimes, as it's still heavy, but it's a bit more melodic than bands that just create a 'wall of noise'.
Iron Maiden are a good case in point, actually, as their riffs can be very basic tunes (Hallowed Be Thy Name), but they grab you!!!
Anyway, l hope that 80s stuff makes a come-back, but if it doesn't, I'm more than happy to listen to what's on offer now - A7X and Rammstein for example, amongst (a lot) of others.

Thanks,
KG
ps Long Live RUSH!!!!!!!!!!

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This post has been edited by kevvyg: Oct 24 2008, 12:56 PM

[OrganisedConfusi...]

PM them to me please. i LOVE that genre!

You have to check out these

Red Sparowes - Especially A Message Of Avarice
Godspeed You Black Emperor - Especially Storm
A Silver Mt. Zion - Especially God Bless Our Dead Marines

Those 3 are incredible.

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[staticstef]

Geez, I can't believe there actually are people who think that all of todays music is really simple and takes no skill. What rock have you been living under since the "golden days"?

It all down to opinion really, in my opinion i feel that the 80's music that you heard on the radio and most likely saw on music channels (im guessing because i wasnt at the age when i was watchin tv ) was a lot more technical than the stuff you hear on todays radio and the music that you get in the charts. Im not sayin that music today isnt technical because i like a lot of modern metal bands that involve very technical abilities (avenged sevenfold being my favourite ) but you dont really hear much of these bands because they dont really make it high up in the charts. I mean in the charts you get stuff like fall out boy, kooks, arctic monkeys and lots of rnb stuff and im not sayin this is rubbish music coz i like some pop rock stuff but its not exactly technicle stuff. I probably wasnt clear in my opinionated (i stress, coz its all down to opinions and im intitled to my own opinions) statement (i was being a bit biased sorry) but what i ment was that is worrying that the market these days is wanting more stuff that is more simple than stuff like a7x, killswitch engage and other modern metal bands. These bands that involve very technicle abilities only appeal to a very small percentage of the population (the metal heads ). This is in the UK btw i dont no how it is in other countries. And to me its worrying that in a few decades time the market will no longer be promoting bands that involve technicle abilities. I should really refrase my statement because i shouldnt really be calling ALL music we here today as lazy, more like the majority of music that you hear on the radio today isnt technically demanding adn dont get me wrong i love modern day metal just as much as 80's music

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[kevvyg]

Yep, I agree with what you say - and so do a lot of people here. Basically, the (majority of) music you hear on the radio today is only there for one reason. To make Money. Talent is definitely not the main driving force. Look at all the girl and boy bands - they exist to extract pocket money from gullable teens. Sex is what sells this music. Especially the girl bands. Ever seen any real mingers in a girl band ?(!). And I doubt very much whether they write their songs or even know anything about music, as in theory. It'd be intersesting to find out if any of 'Girls Aloud' know what a harmonic minor scale, etc, is!!
I'm sure money played it's part in earlier music (The Monkeys...no, not the Arctic ones, although they did sidestep the money-grabbing record companies), but then the music seemed to bit more important. (Capitalism's ok, but it can get a bit out of control, as it has done. 40 million quid for a footballer?!) I'm still hoping for a resurgence of rock into mainstream, but I imagine I'll have to wait quite a while. (I'd quite like to see Disco make a come-back too - anybody else fans of Disco out there, or am I the only lover of Disco and Metal?!! Guitarists - think 'Chic').
I saw a programme on tele the other night featuring a couple of bands I've never heard of - 'Evile' and 'Goat the Head'. These were typical examples of rubbish modern metal. Apologies to any of their fans out there, but they were pretty poor!

KG

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[Guitarman700]

Yep, I agree with what you say - and so do a lot of people here. Basically, the (majority of) music you hear on the radio today is only there for one reason. To make Money. Talent is definitely not the main driving force. Look at all the girl and boy bands - they exist to extract pocket money from gullable teens. Sex is what sells this music. Especially the girl bands. Ever seen any real mingers in a girl band ?(!). And I doubt very much whether they write their songs or even know anything about music, as in theory. It'd be intersesting to find out if any of 'Girls Aloud' know what a harmonic minor scale, etc, is!!
I'm sure money played it's part in earlier music (The Monkeys...no, not the Arctic ones, although they did sidestep the money-grabbing record companies), but then the music seemed to bit more important. (Capitalism's ok, but it can get a bit out of control, as it has done. 40 million quid for a footballer?!) I'm still hoping for a resurgence of rock into mainstream, but I imagine I'll have to wait quite a while. (I'd quite like to see Disco make a come-back too - anybody else fans of Disco out there, or am I the only lover of Disco and Metal?!! Guitarists - think 'Chic').
I saw a programme on tele the other night featuring a couple of bands I've never heard of - 'Evile' and 'Goat the Head'. These were typical examples of rubbish modern metal. Apologies to any of their fans out there, but they were pretty poor!

KG

Umm.. yeah. What? Evile Are a great thrash band, their helping to keep the genre alive, Megadeth played alot of shows with them as support, and they were just insanely good. more bands these days should play thrash like Evile and Slayer do, instead of all this emo metalcore crap Like bullet for my valentine, A7X and Killswitch engage. that garbage is killing metal.

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