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Posted by: MonkeyDAthos Dec 9 2010, 07:36 PM
its the truth that we know the real truth or just a wave of fog that bling our eyes
check this site
http://213.251.145.96/
its call Wikileaks -
Posted by: Frej10 Dec 9 2010, 08:11 PM
Digital terrorism if you ask me. 
Posted by: Sollesnes Dec 9 2010, 09:10 PM
Really? I disagree Frej10.
Thanks for keeping an up to date link Monkey 
Posted by: Daniel Realpe Dec 9 2010, 11:30 PM
it's hard to tell. But personally I believe governments have no problem at all when lying.
Posted by: Azzaboi Dec 10 2010, 01:36 AM
They started lying ever since the landing on the moon! 
Posted by: MonkeyDAthos Dec 10 2010, 03:15 PM
well you see the moon in america is in the hollywood studios
Posted by: Kristian Hyvarinen Dec 10 2010, 03:31 PM
A very difficult matter. I do believe Wikileaks is doing a good job, although some of the revelations may cause serious tensions. But I believe that no government should have secrets from its citizens.
"In democracy, the government is afraid of the people. In tyranny, people are afraid of the government."
Posted by: MonkeyDAthos Dec 10 2010, 03:37 PM
"In democracy, the government is afraid of the people. In tyranny, people are afraid of the government."
.but as long as we are human i seriously doubt we'll ever gona find any perfect government system
Posted by: Kristian Hyvarinen Dec 10 2010, 03:45 PM
Yeah, well, no society's perfect. It's just improving and regressing back, then improving again. I believe that Wikileaks is a step to the right direction.
Posted by: Todd Simpson Dec 11 2010, 09:14 AM
This has been all over the news lately. From what I've read, it's all stuff that everyone in politics already knew. It's a bit of egg on the face of the State Dept., but honestly it seems to be getting blown out of proportion. I am concerned though that it will make Diplomats much more reticent to write anything down which will make it a tough job for historians trying to piece things together after the fact.
Posted by: jstcrsn Dec 13 2010, 11:30 PM
this does not matter,our government controlled schools have no problem teaching revisionist histeory in the name of not offending anyone
Posted by: Sollesnes Dec 14 2010, 12:21 AM
and wont wikileaks help get the actual history out?
Posted by: Todd Simpson Dec 14 2010, 06:20 AM
Wikileaks will get quite a bit out Which will help historians in the short term. But for the long term, I'm guessing there will be less written down and more just left as voice mail and such so that the State Dept. can avoid future embarassment. So trying to piece together our nations political history with much less documentation is a subject of concern for many scholars just now. Political Scientists, Historians etc. However, even when there are gaps, scholars manage to work around it. So in the end, I I'm kinda glad these things were made public as I don't support secrets in our govt. The more openness the better
Todd
Posted by: Bogdan Radovic Dec 18 2010, 11:09 PM
Imagine the perfect world where no one could tell a lie )
Posted by: MonkeyDAthos Dec 18 2010, 11:23 PM
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ahahah XD thanks for sharing Bogdan
Posted by: Sollesnes Dec 19 2010, 12:57 AM
Haha, funny
..but if noone could tell a lie, people might develop a different personality, and itll all be good
Posted by: jstcrsn Dec 19 2010, 04:20 AM
here is a question for youall to think about
do you believe what you believe is really real ?
Posted by: MonkeyDAthos Dec 19 2010, 04:57 AM
do you believe what you believe is really real ?
Reallity - everything that you believe as true and right!, everone have his own reality. so everyone believes that believes in reality.
now what reality is right that's the real question imo.
edit: and that's what wikileaks it trying to do, showing us the real reality
Posted by: Sollesnes Dec 19 2010, 12:18 PM
now what reality is right that's the real question imo.
edit: and that's what wikileaks it trying to do, showing us the real reality
Could be he took it further:
Why would wikileaks be truth? Could be just another propaganda device. Would be a smart way for us not to question things
Posted by: MonkeyDAthos Dec 19 2010, 02:54 PM
Why ignoracewould wikileaks be truth? Could be just another propaganda device. Would be a smart way for us not to question things
i guess ignorance is bliss after all
Posted by: jstcrsn Dec 20 2010, 12:07 AM
now what reality is right that's the real question imo.
edit: and that's what wikileaks it trying to do, showing us the real reality
and i don't think there is anything they have leaked that is a big deal
if you don't think every government does this , you need to wake up and smel lthe coffee
Posted by: Daniel Realpe Dec 20 2010, 02:16 AM
There's one guy who dared to say: "I am the truth"
So far no one has really taken his entitlement down. You have to consider him seriously.
Posted by: Todd Simpson Dec 20 2010, 06:09 AM
Invention of Lying was a very Funny movie. If you haven't seen it, it's worth a rental. Some very big laughs As for the Wiki Leaks scandal that seems to be going strong in the blogosphere, it's hard to argue that open government is better than closed. That said, so far nothing released has been anything really new. Just things everyone already suspected or knew already. It's mostly just embarassing for the state dept. and now Hillary Clinton has to go around and smooth all the ruffled feathers.
Once Julian takes care of the rape charges in Sweden, he could leverage this current Zeitgeist to great effect if he takes it by the horns and runs with it. Book deal, movie deal, etc. All this from a simple Wiki. Well done there.
Todd
Posted by: Sugabombs Dec 24 2010, 04:47 PM
This is so great. Wikileaks is working for such a good cause. A few days ago I saw a Swedish documentary about it. Brought a tear to my eye when they showed the helicopters shooting down innocent men and children. 
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