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Posted by: kevin-riff-after-riff Sep 1 2006, 09:18 PM

why dont we hav some dragonforce style solos? they are fast, and dont lots of ppl wanna go fast??

Posted by: Santana Sep 2 2006, 10:07 PM

Speed isnt inherited easily. It takes lots work. For some, speed just goes to them after a while, for others, they have to work. I dont think a dragonforce lesson would help the beginners all that much.

Posted by: Norven Sep 3 2006, 03:48 PM

Thats true santana...but fast riffs is always good to train..so I dont think it´s bad to have a lesson like that...

Posted by: Santana Sep 6 2006, 02:46 AM

You're absolutely correct, but, I think if those insanely fast riffs and sweep picking would get on their nerves and make them feel as if they cant excel in this area of playing the guitar. Just my oppinion, but, you do have a good point.

Posted by: Kristofer Dahl Sep 6 2006, 08:54 AM

I don't believe that - I believe everybody has to work very hard. SOme people just don't want to admit it, instead they'll say it came naturally.

The students I have had who have developped incredible technique have all worked extremely hard, I haven't had one single that got it naturally. I would really like to see some evidence of someone who has it naturally.

:smoke

PS Mozart practiced his ass off!

/Kris

Posted by: Santana Sep 7 2006, 12:56 AM

When I said that, I meant that, they dont practice speed directly. They just play for numerous years and it just goes to them. I have a friend, hes a blues guitarist, and he ONLY practices blues, but, sometimes I ask him to do some speed pentatonics like your last lesson and he did them really fast. Obviously, I cant really prove it to you on the internet. I can just hope that you believe me.

Posted by: Kristofer Dahl Sep 7 2006, 08:48 AM

I see what you mean - they don't practice techniques consiously. Still theori technique will be th result of lots and lots of practice.

/Kris

Posted by: Santana Sep 8 2006, 05:57 AM

Oh, whoops, guess i took it the wrong way. Anyways, I completely agree.

Posted by: Molgan Oct 1 2006, 05:31 PM

Dragonforce seems like totaly impossible, but thats just me

Posted by: InstruMental Case Oct 1 2006, 09:39 PM

First off I don’t think many people here would benefit from a Dragonforce solo lesson or something like that, because not many seem to be at that level. More importantly, I don’t think Dragonforce has a unique enough voice to warrant their own “in the style of” lesson. Don’t get me wrong, I really like Herman Li’s playing, but he sounds as though he’s just borrowing his style from a few other guys, and not really inventing his own signature sound. That quirkiness / video game sounding stuff they do is really more in the style of other players like Mattias Eklundh.

Posted by: kevin-riff-after-riff Oct 2 2006, 09:05 PM

SOOO IS THIS A YES TO DRAGONFORCE LESSON OR NO PEOPLE!? lol confuse me why dont u lot :!:

Posted by: InstruMental Case Oct 2 2006, 09:08 PM

I vote no. But here's a Dragonforce lesson by Herman Li himself:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=qtUiQJc7ZMI

Posted by: thefireball Oct 17 2010, 09:33 PM

Come on! Let's get some instructors to do this! It'd be fun to listen anyway!

DragonForce lessons!!

Posted by: Lian Gerbino Oct 17 2010, 11:35 PM

I've been working on a lesson in a lesson in their style, you can be sure it's coming on!

Posted by: NoSkill Oct 17 2010, 11:49 PM

Wow! I've seen threads revived from the dead, but not after 4 years. Awesome Fireball! You're the new world champion! That lesson would be cool.

Posted by: Todd Simpson Oct 18 2010, 12:22 AM

Truer words were never spoken! Kris is dead right on this. I've seen lots of students progress over the years and I have yet to see any of them just fall in to killer speed and technique. I personally spent literally thousands of hours practicing with a metronome alone in a room with just a guitar and amp in order to be able to play as fast and accurately. It may seem like some folks just pick it up but you have to realize, they have spent an enormous amount of time practicing their butt off.

When I first started playing, certain abilities seemed almost magical. Players like Paul Gilbert, Buckethead, Tony McAlpine, Steve Vai, etc. just has such amazing technique that seemed so effortless. It seemed like something they were born being able to do. It was only after I started playing that I realized they didn't sprout full formed and that it wasn't magic. it was the result of countless hours of dedication to the instrument.


*DRAGON FORCE STYLE:

In terms of playing like Dragon Force, essentially, you are looking at fast alternate picking, economic picking, sweep picking, tapping, etc. All combined at high speed. Essentially "Shredding". Make sure to join me each SATURDAY @ 5:00 EST for live video chat lessons where we talk about these topics. Also check out my lesson series in the Wiki dedicated to Alternate Picking and Shredding in general.
http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/wiki/index.php/Lesson_Series:_%E2%80%9C0_To_60,_An_Introduction_to_Alternate_Picking%E2%80%9D

Posted by: thefireball Oct 18 2010, 12:56 AM

Swwweeeeeeettt!!! It'll be fun just watching you - but I'll still take a shot at it!



haha! Thanks!

Posted by: Bogdan Radovic Oct 18 2010, 11:54 AM

This is awesome! Now if you could include some noises like "Pac-Man" and "Elephant" ones that Herman Li lesson shows on youtube would be killer )))

Posted by: Lian Gerbino Oct 18 2010, 02:05 PM

hahaha, yes, video games sounds would be a nice add!

Posted by: Ivan Milenkovic Oct 18 2010, 08:18 PM

Speed is just something that comes with time and accuracy, anyone can rehearse just about anything, and if he does long enough and precise enough - he will become faster. The more precise, and the longer you work on something - the faster you become. So chasing speed is done with chasing the precision, as time cannot be chased.

Posted by: thefireball Oct 19 2010, 02:10 AM

Great way to put it!

Posted by: Mate Nagy Oct 29 2010, 01:31 PM

Very true Kris!
Great technique and everything else in music don't come easy (unfortunately).
Hard work, patience a lot of listening, and the love of music is needed.