Using A Daw For Parameter Automation Studio/live.
Todd Simpson
Jul 27 2021, 11:13 PM
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REAPER and LOGIC and just about any DAW these days, can provide 'Automation". E.G. You can set parameters that change over time. You can turn plugins on and off, etc. So you can switch from a clean to a lead tone on the same track. You can automate a pitch change instead of using a pitch shift pedal or switching to different guitar.

Here is OLA talking about using automation to make changes for live playback in Logic. I've not used it for stuff like this but its' a very cool approach. You can also synch up your daw to control stage lights much the way Meshuggah have done for quite some time. Any parameter can be automated, not just volume which is the most often automated value.

Are you guys doing anything like this?

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Jul 27 2021, 11:51 PM
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Tesseract have been doing this for a long time. I haven't watched the Ola video yet, but this is from 2015 and I've known about it at least since then. I used it before that I think to trigger a change from clean to distorted when playing. I suppose some will call it cheating as you don't have to dance around on pedals, but I think it's fair enough, as in the end music is not a competition, and they're still playing their instruments, just less mistakes live, less cables etc:



The explanation starts about 14 minutes in.

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Todd Simpson
Jul 28 2021, 07:30 AM
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As you know I've been using a computer as a full rig for several years and even using mobile devices as full rigs. I think Ola is a bit more of a traditionalist and has always loved amps. Recently though he seems to gotten in to this type of thing just for it's simplicity. So his laptop and interface can be a full rig for him to do clinics and such. Meshuggah also has been doing this for years and even uses the daw to control the stage lights. I have not used it though, as much, for automating parameters on individual effects which is hardly new but a handy use of the tech smile.gif The title was taken from olas vid but I'm going to change it as that's not what the vid is actually about. It's more about using a daw for parameter automation/


QUOTE (Caelumamittendum @ Jul 27 2021, 06:51 PM) *
Tesseract have been doing this for a long time. I haven't watched the Ola video yet, but this is from 2015 and I've known about it at least since then. I used it before that I think to trigger a change from clean to distorted when playing. I suppose some will call it cheating as you don't have to dance around on pedals, but I think it's fair enough, as in the end music is not a competition, and they're still playing their instruments, just less mistakes live, less cables etc:



The explanation starts about 14 minutes in.

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Jul 28 2021, 11:04 AM
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Closest I've used is mainstage for Synths live

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Jul 28 2021, 11:50 AM
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I've used it on a video I send for Plini's contest.

I changed the guitar's sound 3 times biggrin.gif

There is no need to step on pedals, no need to alter your concentration from playing (especially if the song is demanding).

Overall, a very convenient method if you have the plugins to produce the sound you like.

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Jul 28 2021, 07:27 PM
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Thats cool! I never thought about using mainstage for synths? I guess why not though? Very interesting use case for the software.

QUOTE (PosterBoy @ Jul 28 2021, 06:04 AM) *
Closest I've used is mainstage for Synths live



Very cool solo work there! I thought the tones matched what you played very well also. This is exactly the type of thing I was on about. using automation to make changes during a recording and such. As you mention, no need to stomp on pedals and you don't have to stop playing and move to a different track in the daw, since just about every parameter can be automated, you can do most anything you'd do in a mixdown while you are recording signal in to the daw.

I've been using a software based practice rig for many years using THU. There is a ton of functionality in terms of automation thats available to everyone. It's a great time to be a musician smile.gif


QUOTE (Steve Gilfield @ Jul 28 2021, 06:50 AM) *
I've used it on a video I send for Plini's contest.

I changed the guitar's sound 3 times biggrin.gif

There is no need to step on pedals, no need to alter your concentration from playing (especially if the song is demanding).

Overall, a very convenient method if you have the plugins to produce the sound you like.


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Jul 28 2021, 09:12 PM
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With producing i also like to use automation.
To play with the delay length.
Or to add a ping pong effect in FX.
You can also creatie real cool sounds by automate different filter types

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Steve Gilfield
Jul 28 2021, 09:22 PM
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Its a great time indeed!

No wonder young musicians excel way faster than we used too biggrin.gif


QUOTE (Todd Simpson @ Jul 28 2021, 09:27 PM) *
Very cool solo work there! I thought the tones matched what you played very well also. This is exactly the type of thing I was on about. using automation to make changes during a recording and such. As you mention, no need to stomp on pedals and you don't have to stop playing and move to a different track in the daw, since just about every parameter can be automated, you can do most anything you'd do in a mixdown while you are recording signal in to the daw.

I've been using a software based practice rig for many years using THU. There is a ton of functionality in terms of automation thats available to everyone. It's a great time to be a musician smile.gif

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Todd Simpson
Jul 29 2021, 07:36 AM
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Well said!! Automation is a very effective creative tool. It's something that mix engineers had to to by hand way back in the day, which made things a bit of a chore. Now, creativity is the only limit!

QUOTE (tflava @ Jul 28 2021, 04:12 PM) *
With producing i also like to use automation.
To play with the delay length.
Or to add a ping pong effect in FX.
You can also creatie real cool sounds by automate different filter types



They sure seem to smile.gif Seems like youtube is flooded with kids playing bits that took me forever to learn smile.gif Darn kids!!! wink.gif

QUOTE (Steve Gilfield @ Jul 28 2021, 04:22 PM) *
Its a great time indeed!

No wonder young musicians excel way faster than we used too biggrin.gif

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