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Cosmin Lupu
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Welcome to your thread mate smile.gif

Let's take things one at a time smile.gif

Recording

There's this video that explains things thoroughly when it comes to video and audio recording - please watch it and let me know what you think and if things worked alright, ok?



The Neoclassical Lesson

1. Holding a pick and changing the changing the dynamics with it, nails are totally different

It is indeed totally different and thanks to our good friend Ben, we have this great lesson that speaks about THE pick biggrin.gif

https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/ls/Using-a-Guitar-Pick/

2. I am only comfortable holding the guitar in the classical position, standing up is totally dead at this stage.

I totally recommend you to look at this video smile.gif It speaks tons when it comes to electric guitar posture:



3. Timing; this was really hard as you can be a bit more flexible when soloing by speeding up and the catching up with the pulse later


Well, working with a backing track or a metronome, means that you have to keep the timing dictated by an external source smile.gif I do believe you are used to taping your foot and maintaining a steady pulse like that? If so, try to tap your foot against a metronome click or against the backing in order to be able to sense the pulse. The key here is consistency in timing NOT variation - I know it's exactly opposite to classical playing in which the interpretation is based on variations smile.gif

4. Bending to hit the note and vibrato; using the wrist; this is totally different when playing vibrato using a classical method

Precisely - for that, I suggest you to take a look at this video here in order to check out the mechanics behind the bending and vibrato executed from the wrist:



Also, Ben's videos will help a BIG lot:





I think this lesson will help you apply the newly acquired articulation skills in a friendly musical context:

https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/ls/Beginn...String-Bending/

What do you think?

5. Keeping a consistent tone - vary hard

That comes with time smile.gif You need to play a lot, record and listen - where are the spots in which the dynamics vary? Are you too soft or too loud, are you too monotonous when you should vary? Record and compare the takes with the original and see which are the dynamics for each phrase played. It will take time to get it into your system but the more aware you are of this idea, the faster you will get there smile.gif

6. Performance nerves is always a killer for me

Time solves this as well - the more you record and play in front of people, the better you'll become at this smile.gif

I am working on Neoclassical Etude #1 but it way to fast for me so I am giving up on that as I can only play first 20 bars or so at that tempo...Its beyond my capacity at present

Don't worry smile.gif It is important to play it slow focusing on every detail you mentioned - see, your experience as a classical player, allowed you to spot the issues yourself wink.gif Now it's time to fix them! Unfortunately, the recording you posted was not available - any chance to post it again here after you have checked its availability?

I suppose if I had a series of exercises from you I could work on them and submit to the rec forum?

Let's begin with the bending lesson smile.gif Deal?

Please let me know if there are any other questions, as there's a lot of stuff you have to go through in the lines above wink.gif

All the best and looking forward to your thoughts,

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Very sorry but I missed this totally but have it booked marked.

The neoclassical piece is here https://soundcloud.com/letchim-wod/neoclassical - I will redo this with my new found knowledge of recording with a backing track; I send away for some leads a 2mm plectrum - Will I submit the final recording to the rec zone?

I will start with the plan asap.

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Hey bro!

You are very hard on yourself smile.gif I listened to the take and you played it pretty darn good - I think you should record it properly and watch out for that vibrato at 0:57 - otherwise it sounds good and promising!

I am glad you liked the plan and we'll get to doing much more, but first let's take care of this one and the String Bending Lesson smile.gif I'd say, post the takes here first so we can discuss them and then if everything is cool, we'll take them to the REC zone - deal?

Let's roooock!!

Cosmin

QUOTE (letchim @ Aug 30 2014, 01:21 AM) *
Very sorry but I missed this totally but have it booked marked.

The neoclassical piece is here https://soundcloud.com/letchim-wod/neoclassical - I will redo this with my new found knowledge of recording with a backing track; I send away for some leads a 2mm plectrum - Will I submit the final recording to the rec zone?

I will start with the plan asap.

Thanks again for the help

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After 2 + years of classical lessons you tend to be really hard on yourself...otherwise the boss gets even harder..he very strict but I like that...I would rather wok on something until perfect rather that have a load of half baked pieces. I did play the guitar years ago but just basic chords I am in a whole new world now

I have mastered the recording bit now, I think, so I will redo the piece and post it here

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Being thorough in general and attentive to details, will get you through a lot of difficult situations wink.gif I am looking forward to see the video and I think we will work together really fine!

Classical guitar studies usually impose a rigor and discipline that most people learning by themselves lack - not their fault of course, but they surely have a setback in comparison to folks that have had the opportunity to receive classical training. I have a friend who studied classical guitar and is a TREMENDOUS electric guitarist in the same time smile.gif Check him out here:



He displays his skills in both directions here - and this is his composition smile.gif

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Yes that's really accomplished, its a mix of baroque trills ( two string one- I have been working on these for a month and still getting little headway) and Spanish scale patterns.

Listen to this its fantastic technique in action W. A. Mozart - Rondo alla Turca (Turkish March)

I apologise for the lack of video at the moment but I need to buy a new camcorder, but I have just bought a new house and I am broke just now - I hope wave files will be ok until I get a new one...I will only post videos on the rec forum

Here is a piece I am/have worked on with my Skype tutor, for your interest - we had some fun with video just for a laugh. This took a while to get right and this rendition is probable 60% of the way before we moved on.

J. S. Bach: Bourree in e-minor

Current piece, again my fingering is really poor in this one

Fernando Sor Op 35 No 17

Ok enough of this, the real challenge is going to be marrying both styles into my practice routine - but i have made progress; recording completed and working, neoclassical is moving on but intonation/timing of the 7th scales are my real challenge here - the bending video is nearly done.

One bit of advise my strat is losing tuning very easily, could it be that the tremelo, it is wasted its an old guitar -

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Hey mate!

I really enjoy your recordings and it's clear as daylight that you are a very careful player in respect to intonation, articulation, dynamics, timing and all there is to it!

Wave files will be ok, but it would help a lot to see your hands as well, because at some points this will be needed. I don't need you to send the recordings that you place here at a very high sound quality, because they are merely means to monitor your progress, so that when we post videos in the REC Zone we can place the best in there smile.gif

About the strat - have you taken it to a luthier to see it? Maybe it needs a setup, which I am sure that could be the situation. I always take my axes to a good luthier so that I may benefit from them fully and I suggest you to do the same smile.gif You won't regret it, if he is good at what he does. Looking forward to hearing your thoughts, mate smile.gif

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Perfect wink.gif Looking forward to see your recordings, then smile.gif

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QUOTE (Cosmin Lupu @ Sep 2 2014, 05:16 AM) *
Perfect wink.gif Looking forward to see your recordings, then smile.gif


Still working on things...sprained wrist slowed things down...sorry for delay

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Hey mate! No worries! Have a quick recovery, as that's the most important thing right now and please keep me updated on the matter. Have you managed to practice anything in any form all this time? I mean, theory or sightreading, maybe?

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QUOTE (Cosmin Lupu @ Sep 16 2014, 07:05 AM) *
Hey mate! No worries! Have a quick recovery, as that's the most important thing right now and please keep me updated on the matter. Have you managed to practice anything in any form all this time? I mean, theory or sightreading, maybe?


Yes I have been practicing the pieces very slowly in short segments but my wrist is stiff and the left had is not doing what my brain is asking it.

I am also practicing Greensleeves and a bloody hard Giuliani etude for my classical bit..but all of this is only short segments of time.

I have been studying the video on home recording and getting my head around Cakewalk sonar and Audition....the camera took ages to come and ended up crap so I set i back ..I am getting a better recording from my nexus 10 believe it of not! I have just bought a pair of KRK Rokit RP5 G3 Active Studio Monitors.

I terms of technique my main practice is some Segovia scales using a pick as defined in the video.I was doing it all wrong; also bending accurately is a real challenge in the video you suggested...I am slightly flat all the time....and I am hitting other strings sometimes when I bend ....I watched controlling distortion video and that what I am trying to improve.

I need to get my strat sorted too...but just bought a big house and money is a bit tight

Please dont give up on me. I tend not to upload stuff until I get it the best I can...I hate half heartened attempts...the stuff you sent is all pretty new and I am having to work at it....its not easy is it!

One thing is clear the classical technique it totally different from playing electric guitar and the is taking time to get used to the differences ...I will find the middle ground but not yet

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Hey buddy! I am definitely not giving up on you, but I do agree - you come from a different background, but still, you have A LOT to use from it. You need to use the power of extrapolation in order for you to be able to find a use for all the things you already know.

Using your right hand differently and bending/vibrato are the key points as I see them smile.gif One ear training exercise you can do in order to get better at bending, would be this one:

- plug a microphone into a tuner
- make sure your guitar is in tune
- play a note on the guitar
- sing the note into the microphone
- if the note sung, sing it slightly sharper until you reach the exact pitch or viceversa

In this way, your ear will become accustomed to reproducing tones and this will be transposed in your guitar playing as well wink.gif

Let me know how this feels, ok?

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Neoclassical Solo For Beginners V1

Think I have the video and sound coming together a bit now......the string bending lesson will follow soon..work is a nightmare just now

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Hey mate!

Thank you for the recording! Now, let's take things one at a time:

- timing - there are a lot of phrases in which I can spot timing issues, such as 0:09 or 0:27 - please record over the original version in order to have a strong grasp on each phrase. The recording done this way, will show you where your timing is different.
- vibrato - please notice the vibrato as executed in the original lesson and try to emulate it, while focusing on executing it as wide and rounded and in pitch as possible. At this point, form is of the essence and you need to think electric guitar, not classical smile.gif I am sure you know what I mean, but it's all a matter of practice.
- bending - please focus on reaching the exact pitches, ok?

You could lower the neck a bit as its angle is a bit too steep right now - that will also offer the right hand a more comfortable position.

Hope this helped and I am looking forward to seeing your next attempt smile.gif

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