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Toroso View Member Profile	Jan 12 2009, 02:32 PM
Jan 12 2009, 02:32 PM	GMC:er Posts: 653 Joined: 26-August 08 From: Kingston, TN USA	This is a crazy question you will all laugh at, but here goes. I am trying to determine the tempo for a song I want to cover. Trying to use one of those tap tempo programs. Now when I set my metronome to a certain BPM, it counts out the beats in quarter notes the way it is set. When I use this tap tempo proggy, should I tap on those quarter notes I hear in the hats, or tap on the beat of the bass drum? Thanks for time and patience. You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- Live well, and live often!

utak3r View Member Profile	Jan 12 2009, 02:36 PM
Jan 12 2009, 02:36 PM	GMC:er Posts: 570 Joined: 3-January 09 From: Szczecin, Poland	well, none of them it's hard to tell, you should just tap First catch a rythm so you can say is it 4/4 or another rythm and then listen to it and just tap to the music, and not to the drums. I can't explain it better.... oh, maybe someone will try You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- Machines don't bleed that easily... utak3r.pl

Bogdan Radovic View Member Profile	Jan 12 2009, 03:05 PM
Jan 12 2009, 03:05 PM	Bass & Beginner Instructor Posts: 15.614 Joined: 30-November 07 From: Belgrade, Serbia	Well you need to tap as metronome clicks (4 clicks per bar is the default) ...If drums are playing quarter notes on hi hat cool , you can use them as guideline..You only need one bar of taps to determine the tempo.. You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- For GMC support please email support (at) guitarmasterclass.net Check out my lessons and my instructor board. Check out my beginner guitar lessons course! ; Take a bass course now!

David Wallimann View Member Profile	Jan 12 2009, 03:24 PM
Jan 12 2009, 03:24 PM	Instructor Posts: 4.565 Joined: 29-March 07 From: Fort Collins, CO	Yep, quarter notes are what you need. :-) You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- www.youtube.com/Wallimann www.davidwallimann.com

Toroso View Member Profile	Jan 12 2009, 04:02 PM
Jan 12 2009, 04:02 PM	GMC:er Posts: 653 Joined: 26-August 08 From: Kingston, TN USA	Thanks guys, I'll give it another go tonight. You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- Live well, and live often!

OrganisedConfusi... OrganisedConfusion View Member Profile	Jan 12 2009, 04:04 PM
Jan 12 2009, 04:04 PM	GMC:er Posts: 5.635 Joined: 29-November 07 From: Nottingham, UK	If you are putting a backing to a metronome in a programme then you should be able to hear if the metronome is in time. The drums should be on the beat everytime assuming it's in 4/4 time. So just tap the rhythm with your foot and each time you tap the drums should have a cymbal or bass drum hit. It should stay in time. You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- Gear Guitars:- Caparison Horus Snowcloud, Parker Nitefly M, Parker Nitefly SA, Gibson SG, Parker P10e, 40 Year Old Spanish Acoustic Amps:- Framus Ruby Riot 2x12" stack

lcsdds View Member Profile	Jan 12 2009, 06:37 PM
Jan 12 2009, 06:37 PM	Learning Tone Seeker Posts: 2.054 Joined: 2-September 08	Toroso, This is probably way more complicated than you want, but if you have the program "transcribe" it is really easy to do this with the program. It is a very handy program for transcribing as well. You would just load the song into the program and then you actually tap the "b" on the keyboard along to the beat of the song and the computer computes it for you. Very complicated I know, but if you are in the market for some software this one would be handy. Otherwise the other suggestions you got would be way cheaper. Monte You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content!

Pedja Simovic View Member Profile	Jan 12 2009, 06:49 PM
Jan 12 2009, 06:49 PM	Instructor Posts: 8.109 Joined: 13-September 08 From: Nis, Serbia	+ 1 on Transcriber - great software indeed You need quarter notes Toroso to determine the beat but the more you practice with metronome, more you will feel certain tempos. Drummers do this every day - great ones You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- My Video Lessons

Toroso View Member Profile	Jan 12 2009, 07:01 PM
Jan 12 2009, 07:01 PM	GMC:er Posts: 653 Joined: 26-August 08 From: Kingston, TN USA	Yeah, I already have the Tap Tempo prog. Just click to the beat. I'm just so green that I have to ask these kind of questions to be sure. Like what is the beat exactly??? LOL What I am trying to do is determine the tempo of the song so that I can set up my DAW for laying out the loops and drum/bass tracks. If I change the project tempo after starting it kinda screws things up. You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- Live well, and live often!

Vasilije Vukmiro... Vasilije Vukmirovic View Member Profile	Jan 12 2009, 07:29 PM
Jan 12 2009, 07:29 PM	Jazz Instructor Posts: 2.691 Joined: 1-October 08 From: Belgrade	QUOTE (Toroso @ Jan 12 2009, 08:01 PM) Yeah, I already have the Tap Tempo prog. Just click to the beat. I'm just so green that I have to ask these kind of questions to be sure. Like what is the beat exactly??? LOL What I am trying to do is determine the tempo of the song so that I can set up my DAW for laying out the loops and drum/bass tracks. If I change the project tempo after starting it kinda screws things up. Yeah, that is tricky! I think that Band-in-a-box has options for things like that. For example, it can rip out the harmony of the song(from mp3 file you provide), so I guess getting the tempo of the song would be piece of cake. Basically what you want to achieve, is to get the same number of measures as original. Your track should end in the exact moment as original track. The most simple(and the most slow) way would be to count the number of measures of the original track, and then adjust the tempo of new track, so you get the same number of measures. If the track ends before the original, it is faster, so slow it down, if it ends later, it is to slow, speed it up. This could take a while, depends on your rhythm sense. Maybe you could post that song so we can determine it for you, it would be fun, I like this kind of musical games. IF, you have Band-in-a-box, you can probably finish it faster. You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- Check out my Instructor profile Visit My youtube channel Add me as friend on FACEBOOK!

lcsdds View Member Profile	Jan 12 2009, 09:44 PM
Jan 12 2009, 09:44 PM	Learning Tone Seeker Posts: 2.054 Joined: 2-September 08	QUOTE (Vasilije Vukmirovic @ Jan 12 2009, 07:29 PM) Yeah, that is tricky! I think that Band-in-a-box has options for things like that. For example, it can rip out the harmony of the song(from mp3 file you provide), so I guess getting the tempo of the song would be piece of cake. Basically what you want to achieve, is to get the same number of measures as original. Your track should end in the exact moment as original track. The most simple(and the most slow) way would be to count the number of measures of the original track, and then adjust the tempo of new track, so you get the same number of measures. If the track ends before the original, it is faster, so slow it down, if it ends later, it is to slow, speed it up. This could take a while, depends on your rhythm sense. Maybe you could post that song so we can determine it for you, it would be fun, I like this kind of musical games. IF, you have Band-in-a-box, you can probably finish it faster. Duh, didn't even think about that. Toroso, If you post an MP3 of the song I can plug it into transcribe and tell you what the tempo is. Good call Vasilije!! Monte You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content!

Ramiro Delforte View Member Profile	Jan 12 2009, 10:26 PM
Jan 12 2009, 10:26 PM	Instructor Posts: 2.279 Joined: 4-August 08 From: Argentina, Buenos Aires	You should think the "pulse" of the song as something that's underneath every song. Sometimes you feel like is more important to tap in the bass drum because that's where you feel the tempo fall. That's pretty important, is not the same making a song that's in 4/4 with a feel in 2 or in 8. Joe Lovano (saxophone player) explain those things in his clinic, very cool stuff for phrasing. Anyway, you should be able to hear that constant pulse that is in quarter notes everytime and play it over. You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- Check out my Instructor Profile and Board LIVE VIDEO CHATS EVERY MONDAY AROUND 22PM (GMC HOUR)

Emir Hot View Member Profile	Jan 12 2009, 10:57 PM
Jan 12 2009, 10:57 PM	Instructor Posts: 7.201 Joined: 14-July 08 From: London UK	When I do this I fisrt import the song in my recording software (Sonar in my case). Find the first beat of any 4/4 bar in the song. Align that beat with the program grid to match the first beat of a bar on the grid - number 1 (zoom a lot). Then I tap tempo for 10 sec and see what number is coming most often. Sonar has tap tempo tool. Then I set the tempo with that number and press play. When the bar counter starts to count it should always be number 1 on every first bar of your song. If after 10 seconds you notice the counter is going away of the song beat then you increase or decrease tempo by 1 until you find it. The accurate result will be when you press play and analyse 10 seconds of the begining, middle and the end of the song. If each of these tests show 1 on the bar counter and you hear they really match the first beats in your song then you got it. maybe I didn't explain it very nicely but if you read a couple of times I hope you can uderstand You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- Check out my <a href="https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/instructor/Emir-Hot" target="_blank">Instructor profile</a> www.emirhot.com www.myspace.com/emirhotguitar www.myspace.com/sevdahmetal

Vasilije Vukmiro... Vasilije Vukmirovic View Member Profile	Jan 13 2009, 06:15 PM
Jan 13 2009, 06:15 PM	Jazz Instructor Posts: 2.691 Joined: 1-October 08 From: Belgrade	QUOTE (Emir Hot @ Jan 12 2009, 11:57 PM) song. Align that beat with the program grid to match the first beat of a bar on the grid - number 1 (zoom a lot). Yes, I think the zooming is good method here, you can actually "see" the tempo, and adjust it more precisely. Actually, Band-in-a-box solution really works. Program determines average tempo and you get somethin like 145.5 bpm, very very precise(you also get the chords) Here is what you need to do: First, import the audio file... then you will get somethin like this perfect! I just tried it! You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! This post has been edited by Vasilije Vukmirovic: Jan 13 2009, 06:17 PM -------------------- Check out my Instructor profile Visit My youtube channel Add me as friend on FACEBOOK!

Pedja Simovic View Member Profile	Jan 14 2009, 12:37 PM
Jan 14 2009, 12:37 PM	Instructor Posts: 8.109 Joined: 13-September 08 From: Nis, Serbia	Very useful info Emir, thanks You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- My Video Lessons

Bogdan Radovic View Member Profile	Jan 14 2009, 02:41 PM
Jan 14 2009, 02:41 PM	Bass & Beginner Instructor Posts: 15.614 Joined: 30-November 07 From: Belgrade, Serbia	Very useful info Vasilije about the Band in a box software..Which version of it do you have ? You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- For GMC support please email support (at) guitarmasterclass.net Check out my lessons and my instructor board. Check out my beginner guitar lessons course! ; Take a bass course now!

Toroso View Member Profile	Jan 14 2009, 02:55 PM
Jan 14 2009, 02:55 PM	GMC:er Posts: 653 Joined: 26-August 08 From: Kingston, TN USA	Thanks Emir and Vasilije I'll see if Mixcraft will do something close. You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- Live well, and live often!

Vasilije Vukmiro... Vasilije Vukmirovic View Member Profile	Jan 15 2009, 01:52 AM
Jan 15 2009, 01:52 AM	Jazz Instructor Posts: 2.691 Joined: 1-October 08 From: Belgrade	QUOTE (Bogdan Radovic @ Jan 14 2009, 03:41 PM) Very useful info Vasilije about the Band in a box software..Which version of it do you have ? version 2008, I wouldn't know it myself if I didn't need to solve this. BB is much more analog-oriented now, but it's still killer for arranging. You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- Check out my Instructor profile Visit My youtube channel Add me as friend on FACEBOOK!

Pedja Simovic View Member Profile	Jan 15 2009, 11:25 PM
Jan 15 2009, 11:25 PM	Instructor Posts: 8.109 Joined: 13-September 08 From: Nis, Serbia	I use to use Band in a box like 3-4 years ago. Its great for just typing in harmony, choosing style and tempo, and it plays right back for you . Could be really cool backing track if you have nice VST's and feel like editing certain parts. I use Loop station by Boss for my practicing so thats why I stopped using Band in a box , but either way I recommend it highly You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- My Video Lessons

Ivan Milenkovic View Member Profile	Jan 16 2009, 12:11 PM
Jan 16 2009, 12:11 PM	Instructor Posts: 25.396 Joined: 20-November 07 From: Belgrade, Serbia	Thanks for the tip Vasilije. I use Band in a Box sometimes and didn't know all the functions it has. You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- - Ivan's Video Chat Lesson Notes HERE - Check out my GMC Profile and Lessons - (Please subscribe to my) YouTube Official Channel - Let's be connected through ! Facebook! :)

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