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Posted by: jer Sep 11 2008, 01:15 PM

Powerchords.

Love em. Hate em.

I'm stuck.

If I pick up the guitar to jam along with a drum track I fall back on powerchords every time. And guess what? All my riffs sound the same.

Then I turn on music by bands like Opeth, In Flames, Soilwork, Queensryche, & Iron Maiden and I hear rich full chords in parts that really make the bands sound.

I don't know how to do that. mad.gif

I know a lot of the "cowboy chords" but we all know you arent going to get a decent sound playing a full on open C chord with high gain. tongue.gif

So where do these other chords come from? This is what I fail to learn and add to my pallette.

So here is my idea for a lesson. huh.gif

QUOTE
*Take a powerchord riff. Any powerchord riff over a simple drum backing and show how you can use "other" chords in place of the powerchords to give it a different vibe.

Start with the powerchord version then begin changing it up wth other chord styles.


Thanks for listening!

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Posted by: audiopaal Sep 11 2008, 01:31 PM

I think this would be a great idea for a lesson smile.gif

Posted by: opeth.db Sep 11 2008, 01:40 PM

That sounds like an awesome idea for a video lesson. I often wonder about that myself and yes I always do fall back on them standard power chords as well.

Posted by: kjutte Sep 11 2008, 02:32 PM

Well, it depends on what you want.

Personally I always pick the chords first, depending on what flavor I want from the solo.
Your chord progression can either lock you into one scale, or free you toward alot.

A powerchord consists of two notes, so it opens pretty many doors. However, you're right, they're quite boring.
Take a look at the Cmajor scale, it's a diatonic scale, meaning it has 7 notes.

When it has 7 notes, it will also have 7 degrees. Each of these degrees have their own chord.
So,again, Cmajor.

C D E F G A B.

A basic triad consists of the 1, 3 and 5th note of the degree. And degrees are put like this I-VII, or I, II, III, IV, V, VI and VII. You get the point.

So, the chords:

I - C E G
II - D F A
III - E G B
IV - F A C
V - G B D
VI - A C E
VII - B D F

So, obviously you can see that each degree has their set of notes, derived straight from the scale.
Let's talk about how this work:

You see, it's all about the intervals.

The first degree is obviously major, because we're in C major.
So:

I - Cmaj
II - Dmin
III - Emin
IV - Fmaj
V - Gmaj
VI - Amin
VII - Bdim

These chords, is the modal progression of Cionian.
However you can swap them just as you wish, aslong as the intervals remain the same.

So let's say you wanna make a chord progression in Ephrygian.
Let's break this down and use Ephryg as root instead, so you can see the connection.

Firstly we will have the E as a root. So:

Emin
Fmaj
Gmaj
Amin
Bdim
Cmaj
Dmin

So, I hope you can see that the chords come from scales, but how you choose your progression is usually by which scales you want to use.
However, let's say you want to play a melodic feely piece.

Lydian is a good mode for this!

As with phrygian, we do it the same way. We will use Lydian as a root. Let's use C lydian this time.

C lydian will be:

Cmaj
Dmaj
Emin
F#dim
Gmaj
Amin
Bmin

Again, this is the full progression.

Try this:

Cmaj7, Dmaj, Cmaj7, Dmaj etc.
And play C lydian over it.

This will give you an idea of how this works.
The reason I picked these two chords is because lydian's second degree, namedly another major chord, will go good together with the root, to make a nice lydian feely progression.

Anyway, this may be a bit more than you asked for, but it will hopefully give you some insight to the whole chord progression subject.
Learn the scales, know their degrees, know the chords of each degree, to each scale you want to use.

When you can do this, you can easily mix up major scales with exotic scales like harmonic minor, et cetera!

Hope this helps!

Edit:
and to add a quick reply to the question, to break past powerchords you need scale knowledge.
The majorscale consists of 7 degrees, and each have its pattern. Pick the 1 3 5th note of each pattern, and you'll automatically know all the 7 chords without even trying smile.gif

Posted by: RIP Dime Sep 11 2008, 02:34 PM

Yes, a lesson like this would help many people!

Posted by: jer Sep 11 2008, 02:42 PM

QUOTE (RIP Dime @ Sep 11 2008, 08:34 AM) *
Yes, a lesson like this would help many people!


I'd like to keep it simple at first.

Lets say I'm writing a basic rock chord progression in Emin.

The minor scale formula is w,h,w,w,h,w,w So E min would be E,F#,G,A,B,C,D,E

What I would normally do is play 2 note powerchords (root and 5th - so they are not minor OR major) based on those notes.

E powerchord
F# powerchord
G powerchord

etc....

I ouldnt use all of them, but those are the 7 I'd have in my back pocket.

What I'm looking for are alternatives to these. I do relaize that by straying from root/5th powerchords (diads really) I'll be dictating what leads will fit nicely over the top. Since we'll be adding in notes that will steer this in a particular direction.

Am I thinking right here????


Posted by: kjutte Sep 11 2008, 02:46 PM

QUOTE (jer @ Sep 11 2008, 03:42 PM) *
I'd like to keep it simple at first.

Lets say I'm writing a basic rock chord progression in Emin.

The minor scale formula is w,h,w,w,h,w,w So E min would be E,F#,G,A,B,C,D,E

What I would normally do is play 2 note powerchords (root and 5th - so they are not minor OR major) based on those notes.

E powerchord
F# powerchord
G powerchord

etc....

I ouldnt use all of them, but those are the 7 I'd have in my back pocket.

What I'm looking for are alternatives to these. I do relaize that by straying from root/5th powerchords (diads really) I'll be dictating what leads will fit nicely over the top. Since we'll be adding in notes that will steer this in a particular direction.

Am I thinking right here????


If you stray off the rootscale with your P.chords, yes, that's modulating.

And, a powerchord won't work for every degree.
Locrian, because it has a diminished 5th.

So, anyway, you can use 6 powerchords and still stick to one scale. Naturally you can change octaves though.

And by the way, if you stick to the minor progression, it will sound minor even though you don't have a minor 3rd in your powerchord.

Posted by: jer Sep 11 2008, 02:53 PM

QUOTE (kjutte @ Sep 11 2008, 08:46 AM) *
And, a powerchord won't work for every degree.
Locrian, because it has a diminished 5th.


Bear with me, I'm new still. wink.gif

The Locrian reference is for the 7th degree yes?

The D?

Isnt a D powerchord just D and A?

And both notes are part of the Emin scale arent they?

So why wouldnt a powerchord work for the 7th degree too?



Posted by: kjutte Sep 11 2008, 02:58 PM

QUOTE (jer @ Sep 11 2008, 03:53 PM) *
Bear with me, I'm new still. wink.gif

The Locrian reference is for the 7th degree yes?

The D?

Isnt a D powerchord just D and A?

And both notes are part of the Emin scale arent they?

So why wouldnt a powerchord work for the 7th degree too?


Because the seventh degree has, IF we're in major (because only major has a diminished 7th degree. Minor (or aeolian) would have locrian to be its II degree.)

Anyway. Locrian, or the diminished chord degree, has a:

R, b2 b3 4 b5 b6 b7.

And a powerchord is R+5, not b5.

So, what you could do is just lower the 5th note and make it a D/b5, instead of a D5. Get it?
Locrian is the only degree with a diminished 5th.

Edit:
OHH, and (D) is just a note. A powerchord is called X5, because it's the root and the fith note.

plus, in your minor progression, the F# is the diminished degree.
So it will be a F#/b5 chord. Which is a diminished chord.


Edit again:
and to make you uderstand the degree stuff...

Minor is the 6th degree of major, so if you wanna use minor as root, then it will be Imin, IIdim etc. the whole progression changes.

Posted by: jer Sep 11 2008, 03:04 PM

So if I want to stay within the key of Emin, I technically (yes, I know anything that sounds good is fine) cant play a D5?

Even though both notes, D and A are in the Emin scale?


Posted by: kjutte Sep 11 2008, 03:06 PM

QUOTE (jer @ Sep 11 2008, 04:04 PM) *
So if I want to stay within the key of Emin, I technically (yes, I know anything that sounds good is fine) cant play a D5?

Even though both notes, D and A are in the Emin scale?


Read again, I made some edits to my post. then make a new question. D isn't the diminished degree of minor.

Posted by: Kapto Sep 11 2008, 03:10 PM

I recently took this lesson up http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/rhythm-guitar/advanced-power-chords/which has quite a few positions of power chords. It made me think out of the box.
Maybe you have seen it maybe not . Don't know if this is what you're looking for.

Posted by: jer Sep 11 2008, 03:13 PM

I did read it again.

I was under the understanding that to play in the key of Emin you have the notes of the Emin scale to use.

So chords made up of those notes are ok as well.

Not true?


Posted by: kjutte Sep 11 2008, 03:16 PM

QUOTE (jer @ Sep 11 2008, 04:13 PM) *
I did read it again.

I was under the understanding that to play in the key of Emin you have the notes of the Emin scale to use.

So chords made up of those notes are ok as well.

Not true?


True, the notes ARE in the scale, but the interval between R and 5 will be different in the diminished position, because the fith note from this degree is flattened compared to all the others. Lemme upload a diagram to show you. give me a minute.

Edit:
Ok, so here you see a diagram of all the patterns in their correct order. This is Cmajor.
If you compare Ionian, the first degree here, to all the other degrees, with 1 and 5th note the the box, you'll see that ONLY the 7th, locrian, strays off the usual powerchord pattern. this is because it's the only degree with a flat5.

 

Posted by: Toroso Sep 11 2008, 03:17 PM

Hmmmmm..... mellow.gif (Cogitating on all this....)

Posted by: jer Sep 11 2008, 03:19 PM

QUOTE (Kapto @ Sep 11 2008, 09:10 AM) *
I recently took this lesson up http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/rhythm-guitar/advanced-power-chords/%20which has quite a few positions of power chords. It made me think out of the box.
Maybe you have seen it maybe not . Don't know if this is what you're looking for.


That shows me how to play the same powerchords I'm trying to get away from, but in not so "usual" ways.

Interesting for sure. But in the end, the same sounds that I am trying to shake up.

Thanks for the link though and trying to help me. I want to move past powerchords at times and go for something with more flavor. But in the type of music where powerchords roam free.



QUOTE (kjutte @ Sep 11 2008, 09:16 AM) *
True, the notes ARE in the scale, but the interval between R and 5 will be different in the diminished position, because the fith note from this degree is flattened compared to all the others. Lemme upload a diagram to show you. give me a minute.


I understand what you are saying.

I just dont see how playing a powerchord contining the notes of Emin, would be incorrect when playing in Emin.


Posted by: kjutte Sep 11 2008, 03:24 PM

QUOTE (jer @ Sep 11 2008, 04:19 PM) *
That shows me how to play the same powerchords I'm trying to get away from, but in not so "usual" ways.

Interesting for sure. But in the end, the same sounds that I am trying to shake up.

Thanks for the link though and trying to help me. I want to move past powerchords at times and go for something with more flavor. But in the type of music where powerchords roam free.





I understand what you are saying.

I just dont see how playing a powerchord contining the notes of Emin, would be incorrect when playing in Emin.


It's not incorrect!
What I'm saying is that you will only get 6 powerchords out of the diatonic scale, because the 7th mode is diminished. Rb5, instead of R5. Look at the diagram I editted into my last post.

And a powerchord is just two notes in this context, don't forget that. they HAVE to be degreeroot+5, or else it's no powerchord. that's what I'm trying tot ell you.

Posted by: jer Sep 11 2008, 03:36 PM

OK.

Let me re-word the lesson then.

QUOTE
I want to find alternatives to the standard powerchord shape. What I normally do is fall back on playing this shape:

----------
----------
----------
----------
---4------
---2------

With the bottom note on the root.

In the key of Emin I'd play that shape on these roots.

E
F#
G
A
B
C
D

I know doing this keeps me in key since I'm only playing the notes of the Emin scale.

What other chords can I use to "flavor up" chord patterns found in most rock/metal?

I know that full open "cowboy chords" don't sound right with higher gain applied. They tend to get very cloudy and garbly.


Thanks for the help!!!

Posted by: kjutte Sep 11 2008, 03:38 PM

QUOTE (jer @ Sep 11 2008, 04:36 PM) *
OK.

Let me re-word the lesson then.



Thanks for the help!!!


Easy question. Add more than just R and 5th.
For example, you can add octaves to your powerchords, meaning R 5 8 13.

Edit:
Muris has a lesson like this btw.

Posted by: Ivan Milenkovic Sep 11 2008, 06:07 PM

I suggest learning a catchy melody and add fifths to the notes from your melody, this way you will make a nice powerchord progression to work around.

Posted by: jer Sep 11 2008, 06:22 PM

I can come up with all the powerchord progressions I need.

Its turning them into something more interesting to listen to that I'm looking for.


Posted by: Rated Htr Sep 11 2008, 07:46 PM

Maybe you mean adding lead to rythm?

Posted by: jer Sep 11 2008, 07:51 PM

QUOTE (Rated Htr @ Sep 11 2008, 01:46 PM) *
Maybe you mean adding lead to rythm?


Nope.

Nothing to do with lead.

Just alternatives to powerchords in metal.


Posted by: Rated Htr Sep 11 2008, 07:56 PM

Well, as kjutte said, if you know how to add more than just root+5 to a chord, I don't understand how come you don't know how to alternate...Can you give a youtube link to a music you like to see where you want to alternate?

Posted by: jer Sep 11 2008, 07:58 PM

QUOTE (Rated Htr @ Sep 11 2008, 01:56 PM) *
Well, as kjutte said, if you know how to add more than just root+5 to a chord, I don't understand how come you don't know how to alternate...Can you give a youtube link to a music you like to see where you want to alternate?


Alternate what?

I'm looking for suggestions on chords to use in place of powerchords.

Open "cowboy chords" using lots of strings dont work well with high gain.

2 note 2 & 3 string powerchords are quite sterile sounding at times.

Listen to bands like Opeth and In Flames. Thats what I am looking for. What are they using?


Posted by: kjutte Sep 11 2008, 07:59 PM

QUOTE (jer @ Sep 11 2008, 08:58 PM) *
Alternate what?

I'm looking for suggestions on chords to use in place of powerchords.

Open "cowboy chords" using lots of strings dont work well with high gain.

2 note 2 & 3 string powerchords are quite sterile sounding at times.

Listen to bands like Opeth and In Flames. Thats what I am looking for. What are they using?


name a song.
Anyway, as I say, you gotta involve more than R+5. Try experimenting with Maj7, min7, etc. There's alot of great chords that add ALOT of flavor.

Posted by: Rated Htr Sep 11 2008, 08:05 PM

For example Opeth, in the beginning of the music A Fair Judgement uses a A5 powerchord but adds an octave an Amaj7...So it's like kjutte said, just adding octaves, 7ths, 9ths, etc...

Posted by: kjutte Sep 11 2008, 08:06 PM

QUOTE (Rated Htr @ Sep 11 2008, 09:05 PM) *
For example Opeth, in the beginning of the music A Fair Judgement uses a A5 powerchord but adds an octave of the 3rd and an Amaj7...So it's like kjutte said, just adding octaves, 7ths, 9ths, etc...


A5 has no third.

Posted by: jer Sep 11 2008, 08:07 PM

QUOTE (kjutte @ Sep 11 2008, 01:59 PM) *
name a song.
Anyway, as I say, you gotta involve more than R+5. Try experimenting with Maj7, min7, etc. There's alot of great chords that add ALOT of flavor.


Opeth "Bleak" from the album "Blackwater Park" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UpH3qhP_UE

In Flames "My Sweeet Shadow" from "Soundtrack To Your Escape" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lolM8GeGRQc


Oh I hear ya man, thats why I asked. I'm getting nowhere with just powerchords. Thats why I brought this up. cool.gif

Thanks!


Posted by: Rated Htr Sep 11 2008, 08:12 PM

QUOTE (kjutte @ Sep 11 2008, 08:06 PM) *
A5 has no third.


It's not an A5...I meant adding the octave, sorry laugh.gif

Bleak for example, if I'm not mistaken, when the acoustic starts, it's an Emaj9 smile.gif

Btw, I didn't see the video, I just went to see the tab

Posted by: Scott Gentzen Sep 11 2008, 08:23 PM

QUOTE (Kapto @ Sep 11 2008, 10:10 AM) *
I recently took this lesson up http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/rhythm-guitar/advanced-power-chords/which has quite a few positions of power chords. It made me think out of the box.
Maybe you have seen it maybe not . Don't know if this is what you're looking for.


I've had that lesson bookmarked for a long time. Big reminder that there's more to power chords than "down one string up two frets". I don't know if I'll ever get any of those chords with the thumb wrapped around, but they're fun to listen to. biggrin.gif

Posted by: jer Sep 11 2008, 08:39 PM

the powerchord sound is what I am trying to stray from.

I'm not looking for another way to make the same sound, but a different sound altogether.

Listen to this tune by Opeth. "Heir Apparent"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1Ty-fwB4sw

The chords they are using at the 1:09 mark... And again at 1:48 What are those? Imagine how mundane that song would sound if they were just good old powerchords. These other chords is whats making this tune sound as friggin huge as it does.

Posted by: Andrew Cockburn Sep 11 2008, 08:42 PM

QUOTE (jer @ Sep 11 2008, 03:39 PM) *
The chords they are using at the 1:09 mark... And again at 1:48 What are those? Imagine how mundane that song would sound if they were just good old powerchords. These other chords is whats making this tune sound as friggin huge as it does.


Diminished ....in this case pretty similar ot a power chord, it is Root and a flattened 5th instead of root and a 5th, which, cinse it is the root, puts you in locrian mode.

Posted by: Rated Htr Sep 11 2008, 08:44 PM

Here's an example, my chord theory is ont the best so if I make any mistakes please forgive me (sometimes I read upside down laugh.gif ), but here's an mp3, and I played:


Dmin7+5, Em, C, D, F#m, D (another one)

There's many differences between the chords, some of them I still don't know how to explain, but I'm sure kjutte or someone will correct me or add me

I played in acoustic and just random, I know you want something in the area of metal, but for that, you have to build a chord progression, think about for example a power chord you like, let's say E5, what can you do to change that power chord? add an octave? make it minor? leave it major? seventh? diminished? lots of possibilites...it also depends on what you like...

 chord.mp3 ( 319.59K ) : 222


Again, if I'm mistaken please forgive me, but I'm just trying to give you an idea of changing stuff instead of playing only powerchords, my way of doing it is, start with acoustic, and see if it fits well together, than try with a bit of distortion, because normally all stuff that isn't R+5 usually sounds wierd, atleast for me it used to

Posted by: jer Sep 11 2008, 08:52 PM

Andrew: Thanks! That helps. Drop the 5th back 1 fret and we have a diminished powerchord. Thats another option to add to the toolbox now.

Rated Htr: Great example! Thats what I'm looking for.

Let me try an analogy. I know the powerchords. But it makes me feel like I have 12 crayons. (1 powerchord for each note)

red
blue
green
brown
black
white
yellow
orange
purple
tan

etc...

Lets take the powerchords, the simple colors listed above. And find other chords that will work well in metal music. Faster beats, lots of distortion, etc... I'm looking for the other variations of each color above.

The diminished one Andrew just pointed out would be like "Dark Red" What are the other variations in and around red?

See what I mean?

I think it would make a cool lesson writing a powerchord riff then going in and tweaking the colors to make it a little less "plain".

Darken the red a notch, lighten the blue, etc...

I dont seem to be communicating this well.

Posted by: Rated Htr Sep 11 2008, 08:59 PM

Hmm, let me ask you, do you know how to make chords from major chords? from the 1 3 5 formation?

Posted by: jer Sep 11 2008, 09:09 PM

QUOTE (Rated Htr @ Sep 11 2008, 02:59 PM) *
Hmm, let me ask you, do you know how to make chords from major chords? from the 1 3 5 formation?


Yes.

And adding 7ths, 9ths etc... "Stacking 3rds"

Let me try wording it this way.

"What chords are commonly used in metal by bands such as Opeth, In Flames, Iron Maiden, Queensryche, etc besides powerchords? I hear these bands using other chords in places many bands use plain old powerchords. It gives them a very specific and identifiable sound."



Here is an example.

"Beneath The Mire" by Opeth.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABj6YAk6Lys

This song wouldnt sound at all like it does with regular R5 powerchords.

What are these chords and what are some others that can be used to give songs a more textured sound like this?

Posted by: Rated Htr Sep 11 2008, 09:21 PM

It kinda depends on what you want...All the bands you gave have different ways of choosing do to the atmosphere being different..For example, I still don't have the ability like some to hear, and tell you what they are playing, so I got a guitarpro file, and gonna use it to explain...

At the beginning, they are playing a simple D5 powerchord, but adding an octave...If you want, you can check the file yourself, instead of looking at theory right now, what they do, is escape from the pattern, like you see that all powerchords, most of them I mean, have the same shape, so instead of playing a R+5, why don't you move the 5 up? or move the 5 down? or add another note on another string? just keep moving your fingers, get it? than you get a shape, and if you want to know the theory behind it, you come here and ask smile.gif

Using your example, it's like having a red color, but painting stronger, gets a dark red, or weaker might get a pink colour, you just have to change your strength smile.gif

Posted by: jer Sep 11 2008, 09:30 PM

QUOTE (Rated Htr @ Sep 11 2008, 03:21 PM) *
At the beginning, they are playing a simple D5 powerchord, but adding an octave...


Thats not what it sounds like to me. You gotta take guitar pro files witha grain of salt. Any joe blow can write those and post em.

I see what you are saying though. And yep I agree 100%.

So far we have 1 answer.

"Diminished powerchords, flatten the 5th"

There have to be others. If anyone knows any, toss em in here.

"Just keep moving your fingers" isn't what I was really looking for. That could be used to answer any question on this entire site. tongue.gif

Posted by: Rated Htr Sep 11 2008, 09:34 PM

Well, give me another music than, one that has many star ratings in ultimate-guitar, so I can see...I heard the music now and you're right...it doesn't sound like that...but I didn't test it, just saw the formation and wrote it smile.gif

Posted by: jer Sep 11 2008, 09:41 PM

QUOTE (Rated Htr @ Sep 11 2008, 03:34 PM) *
Well, give me another music than, one that has many star ratings in ultimate-guitar, so I can see...I heard the music now and you're right...it doesn't sound like that...but I didn't test it, just saw the formation and wrote it smile.gif


"Empire" by Queensryche

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhrBpcJ2bko

QUOTE
E-|-------------------------------------------------------------||
B-|-------------------------------------------------------------||
G-|-2-2--2-4-2-----2---5-4-----5---7-5-----7---5--4h5--7-||
D-|-2-2--3-3-3-----3---3-3-----3---5-5-----5---5--------5-||
A-|-0-0---------0-0---0-----0-0---0-----0-0---0-------------||
E-|--------------------------------------------------------------||


What are some of these???

------
------
---2--
---3-- what's this?
------
------

------
------
---4-- is this another diminished one?
---3--
------
------

------
------
---5--
---5-- whattya call this?
------
------




Posted by: Sami Sep 11 2008, 09:48 PM

Hey A technique i love is using root + 3rd chords. its something i discovered wen trying to get out of playing just power chords myself, i messed around with different intervals and found this one to sound very epic!!. The shape for the minor version looks just like a power chord but inverted.

So playing 7th fret on the a string and 5th fret D string will give you a E and a G which is the root and 3rd of a e minor chord. Sounds great with distortion, once i see you understand what im talking about ill list out all of them in the key of e minor for you!

Edit:
I just saw your post above and it talks about some of what i was talking about

------
------
---2--
---3-- This is root + maj 3rd! i love this shape. i think this is F Major
------
------

------
------
---4-- Yes this would be considered diminished! Root + b5
---3--
------
------

------
------
---5--
---5-- thats a perfect 4th interval, i use them alot cause they sound really cool when you slide them
------
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Sorry if anything is wrong here, ive only been learning for about a year and a half sad.gif

Posted by: jer Sep 11 2008, 09:58 PM

Good info!

Root and third. Perfect 4th.

We've got 4 in our bag o' chords now.



Here is another one.

"Night Comes Down" by Judas Priest

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgJzmIO7Ibc

What are these?



Another one.

"I Am The Anger" by Firewind.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpwPMY0wY2Y

Posted by: Rated Htr Sep 11 2008, 10:36 PM

Man, istead of giving songs, try giving shapes like you did before sami answered, it would make our jobs alot easier smile.gif...I would have answered, but I went to play ps2 tongue.gif

Posted by: Oxac Sep 11 2008, 10:41 PM

I don't know if you have tried the inversed Root - third, like Fifth fret on the 6th string and 9th fret on the 5th string.

could also be called an augmented power chord. You can have root - 6th to get a cool sound as well.

Posted by: Sami Sep 11 2008, 10:59 PM

QUOTE (Oxac @ Sep 11 2008, 10:41 PM) *
I don't know if you have tried the inversed Root - third, like Fifth fret on the 6th string and 9th fret on the 5th string.

could also be called an augmented power chord. You can have root - 6th to get a cool sound as well.


+1
i love these chords

Posted by: kjutte Sep 14 2008, 10:58 AM

QUOTE (jer @ Sep 11 2008, 10:58 PM) *
Good info!

Root and third. Perfect 4th.

We've got 4 in our bag o' chords now.



Here is another one.

"Night Comes Down" by Judas Priest

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgJzmIO7Ibc

What are these?



Another one.

"I Am The Anger" by Firewind.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpwPMY0wY2Y


just look at the scaleshapes I gave you, and create crazy chords.

Posted by: Fsgdjv Sep 14 2008, 06:14 PM

Here are come cool chords I like to use instead of powerchords: (I don't know the names of them all, but I'll post tabs)

A major intercal with an octave soudns great and for example, it could be like this:

D 7
A:4
E:5

A power chord with an added 9 (I think):

D:9
A:7
E:5

Something diminished:

G:5
D:4
A:
E:5

A nice variation to a power chord with an added flat 9 or something, I don't really know:

D:8
A:7
E:5

A minor interval:

A:3
E:5

And there are lots of other options, but these are the ones I use mostly. I made all chords A-something, but you get it.

Posted by: jer Sep 14 2008, 06:49 PM

these are great, thanks!

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