Rap Isn't Music And Kurt Cobain Can't Play Guitar., Please convince me! |
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Nov 6 2007, 06:29 AM
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QUOTE (Arrival @ Nov 5 2007, 09:20 PM)  Rap may be a form of music, but I find it perfectly acceptable for people to have no respect for it whatsoever as a music form. The common basis for creating a rap piece is sitting at a computer and forming a synthetic beat. Ask yourself. How much respect would you have for Malmsteen if he just sat at a computer and organized synthetic guitar noises to sound like his actual playing? Its true that the basis for creating rap is sitting at a computer and forming a synthetic beat. But this is indeed "paying dues" as the producers of these beats work tirelessly to come up with the perfect combination of sound. I can say with absolute confidence that there are hip-hop produces that work just as hard, if not harder, than some guitarists (even famous ones). Take Kanye West for example. Or Timbaland, who is basically a slightly overweight recluse because of all the producing he does. I have a friend who is a hip-hop producer, and he works just as hard as I do to perfect our respective crafts. He's sacrificed to be able to buy his producers work-station, he has turned down invitations to go hang out because he wanted to work on his beats, and he's obsessed with producing top quality work. Those, atleast to me, are all the signs of a hard working and devoted musician. I invite any of you to contend otherwise. This post has been edited by Spiderusalem: Nov 6 2007, 06:41 AM -------------------- Equipment: Classical/Jazz hybrid guitar. blunt/black humor.
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Nov 6 2007, 06:30 AM
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Great to see some polite argumentation going!
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Nov 6 2007, 06:42 AM
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QUOTE (Spiderusalem @ Nov 6 2007, 12:29 AM) Its true that the basis for creating rap is sitting at a computer and forming a synthetic beat. But this is indeed "paying dues" as the producers of these beats work tirelessly to come up with the perfect combination of sound. I can say with absolute confidence that there are hip-hop produces that work just as hard, if not harder, than some guitarists (even famous ones). Take Kanye West for example. Or Timbaland, who is basically a slightly overweight recluse because of all the producing he does. I have a friend who is a hip-hop producer, and he works just as hard as I do to perfect our respective crafts. He's sacrificed to be able to buy his producers work-station, he has turned down invitations to go hang out because he wanted to work on his beats, and he's obsessed with producing top quality work. Those, atleast to me, are all the signs of a hard working and devoted musician. I guess, I'm saying that so much of rap is created in the studio, using PRO-TOOLS. I know that rap is not the only form of "music" that uses this, but my respect is for those who can TRULY play an instrument. Stick me in a studio with PRO-TOOLs, and I'll be the next Britney Spears. Now, hit me baby, one more time. 
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Nov 6 2007, 06:45 AM
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QUOTE (lefty01 @ Nov 5 2007, 09:42 PM) Stick me in a studio with PRO-TOOLs, and I'll be the next Britney Spears. Now, hit me baby, one more time. Speaking of which....... http://youtube.com/watch?v=-NwqN-xj9Xs -------------------- Equipment: Classical/Jazz hybrid guitar. blunt/black humor.
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Nov 6 2007, 07:07 AM
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QUOTE (Spiderusalem @ Nov 5 2007, 11:29 PM) Its true that the basis for creating rap is sitting at a computer and forming a synthetic beat. But this is indeed "paying dues" as the producers of these beats work tirelessly to come up with the perfect combination of sound. I can say with absolute confidence that there are hip-hop produces that work just as hard, if not harder, than some guitarists (even famous ones). Take Kanye West for example. Or Timbaland, who is basically a slightly overweight recluse because of all the producing he does. I have a friend who is a hip-hop producer, and he works just as hard as I do to perfect our respective crafts. He's sacrificed to be able to buy his producers work-station, he has turned down invitations to go hang out because he wanted to work on his beats, and he's obsessed with producing top quality work. Those, atleast to me, are all the signs of a hard working and devoted musician. I invite any of you to contend otherwise. Yes, but if you took away the saved file on his computer, could he remember that exact beat and replicate it? Creating beats is more like writing a book, you can erase, move, do whatever you want to it, come back later and it's still there. However, could he ever play it live? If you have respect for someone's innate and natural human ability to type and click on a computer for hours (sound familiar?  ) then that is totally fine. I have none for it.Edit: Also, music is about boundaries. Our favorite musicians are just that because either they have broken boundaries or moved passed boundaries we didn't even know existed. A computerized beat eliminates all boundaries. With this technique, anyone can do absolutely anything they want. This post has been edited by Arrival: Nov 6 2007, 07:11 AM |
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Nov 6 2007, 07:14 AM
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QUOTE (Kristofer Dahl @ Nov 5 2007, 11:49 PM) This summarizes my personal opinion well!  Now - if you know how to play instrument it facilitates getting the "thought" out! And the studio, Pro Tools/Cubase/Reaper, drum machines, samplers and so on are 'instruments' in their own right. Think about the great producers and recording engineers from the past. Where would the Beatles be if not for George Martin? Think about Abbey Road, Brittania Row, EMI, the BBC's Maida Vale. Andy Jackson's Pink Floyd's sound engineer. Quincy Jones' influence on Michael Jackson through 'Thriller' and beyond. Think about Butch Vig and Seattle. I could go on for a long while here but it would get boring. There are thousands of us who have production facilities at home or work who, using Spiderusalem's great example, have yet to produce something as inspired or as well worked through as a Kanye West track. At the end of the day, to me drum machines, sequencing, samplers, recording techniques et al are just a more modern part of the arsenal available to us as musicians - along with electric guitars and more traditional acoustic instruments. What counts to me is the talent, creativity and skills to be able to use them well and appropriately. BTW - as I recall Charlie Christian was heavily criticised for putting a microphone and subsequently a pickup on his guitar nearly a century ago. Critics then bemoaned how he was not using a traditional instrument that relied on skill. Cheers, Tony -------------------- Get your music professionally mastered by anl AES registered Mastering Engineer. Contact me for Audio Mastering Services and Advice and visit our website www.miromastering.com
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Nov 6 2007, 07:41 AM
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QUOTE (Spiderusalem @ Nov 6 2007, 12:32 AM) I'll respect that I'd say respect is one of my five favorite verbs. |
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