How Well Did Jimmy Paige Know Theory?, or the other members?
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Sep 8 2009, 02:40 AM
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How well did any of the members know composition and or theory?

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Sep 8 2009, 03:59 PM
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I think because of the way that theory can be .. confusing and like a bunch of unconnected dots to people who haven't studied it enough to make sense of things, they could well know more than they're letting on, like knowing their chords really well or having ideas about how they play that, even if they don't know it, really are explained by theory.

Jaf, I agree that being a session musician must teach you a lot of stuff, at least the basics even if you don't delve in to studying it. Of course, some people just have great ears. My dad doesn't know a single scale but he knows his chords really well, and therefore his intervals too, and always knows what key to play in even in a pick up jam.

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QUOTE (JVM @ Sep 8 2009, 09:59 AM) *
Jaf, I agree that being a session musician must teach you a lot of stuff, at least the basics even if you don't delve in to studying it. Of course, some people just have great ears. My dad doesn't know a single scale but he knows his chords really well, and therefore his intervals too, and always knows what key to play in even in a pick up jam.


I was thinking this in the other direction: you won't LAST long as a session guy if you can't keep up with whatever arrives in the studio that day. Anyway, George Lynch could have been wrong. He was willing to say what I quoted on TV and he was willing admit some things he wasn't able to do very well (there was a discussion about sweep picking and some youtube jokes) so it definitely seemed honest and credible.

Just thinking maybe we don't really know one way or the other without asking a guy. How would you ask Jimmy Page if he really knows music?

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QUOTE (jafomatic @ Sep 8 2009, 11:06 AM) *
I was thinking this in the other direction: you won't LAST long as a session guy if you can't keep up with whatever arrives in the studio that day. Anyway, George Lynch could have been wrong. He was willing to say what I quoted on TV and he was willing admit some things he wasn't able to do very well (there was a discussion about sweep picking and some youtube jokes) so it definitely seemed honest and credible.

Just thinking maybe we don't really know one way or the other without asking a guy. How would you ask Jimmy Page if he really knows music?


Good points, I guess I was saying that if you know enough to get hired as a session guy and keep the job, you're still bound to learn a lot. I think I saw the George Lynch thing. Either way I did see him jam with Dave Navarro and they talked about a similar subject, that was an interesting video.

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QUOTE (JVM @ Sep 8 2009, 10:08 AM) *
Good points, I guess I was saying that if you know enough to get hired as a session guy and keep the job, you're still bound to learn a lot. I think I saw the George Lynch thing. Either way I did see him jam with Dave Navarro and they talked about a similar subject, that was an interesting video.


That's the one I saw smile.gif

I really didn't like Navarro until he earned some points in that very same episode, talking about being unable to sweep and "staying up late trying to learn it from youtube videos" and laughing at himself.

Maybe we can find interviews with Page. The wikipedia talks about his session work but no schooling in music is mentioned.

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QUOTE (jafomatic @ Sep 8 2009, 11:11 AM) *
That's the one I saw smile.gif

I really didn't like Navarro until he earned some points in that very same episode, talking about being unable to sweep and "staying up late trying to learn it from youtube videos" and laughing at himself.

Maybe we can find interviews with Page. The wikipedia talks about his session work but no schooling in music is mentioned.


I still don't like him, but I love his guitar playing biggrin.gif

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We all learn at our own pace here at GMC (unless we're set up in the MTP) and we only get out what we put in. Are we still self taught? We're not formally instructed I think, at least, not any instruction that a music university would recognize.

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- iamblackmo   How Well Did Jimmy Paige Know Theory?   Sep 8 2009, 02:40 AM
- - Emir Hot   QUOTE (iamblackmo @ Sep 8 2009, 02:40 AM)...   Sep 8 2009, 03:16 AM
- - ZakkWylde   Yep John Paul Jones has the biggest musical knowle...   Sep 8 2009, 11:09 AM
|- - Ivan Milenkovic   QUOTE (ZakkWylde @ Sep 8 2009, 12:09 PM) ...   Sep 8 2009, 01:01 PM
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- - Jerry Arcidiacono   QUOTE (ZakkWylde @ Sep 8 2009, 12:09 PM) ...   Sep 8 2009, 11:59 AM
- - Sensible Jones   Jimmy is actually quite well-versed in parts of mu...   Sep 8 2009, 01:17 PM
- - Fingerspasm   There is a movie coming out this month or next mon...   Sep 8 2009, 01:42 PM
- - jafomatic   Page was a session guy for many years. I dunno if...   Sep 8 2009, 02:18 PM
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- - Emir Hot   Jimmy didn't need to know any theory. He is fo...   Sep 8 2009, 04:54 PM
- - sted   QUOTE (Sensible Jones @ Sep 8 2009, 04:51...   Sep 8 2009, 07:05 PM
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|- - Gary   Hmmm.. I grew up with Zep and I believe that if th...   Sep 9 2009, 04:21 AM
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