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Posted by: Emir Hot Feb 6 2009, 04:46 PM

Hi

Welcome to my second collaboration. This time we have BOOGIE.

The chord progression:

A - 8 bars (minor/major pentatonic, blues scale or mixolydian scale)
D - 4 bars (better option is mixolydian or stay in A pentatonic)
A - 4 bars (minor/major pentatonic, blues scale or mixolydian scale)
G - 1 bar (Major scale, major pentatonic - lydian and mixolydian will also work)
D - 1 bar (mixolydian)
A - 1 bar (minor/major pentatonic, blues scale or mixolydian scale)
outro fill in E - (mixolydian)


Attention everybody !!!

You have to record 2 separate takes. Please watch the intro video about all the details.


There is no limit for participants. Anyone can play.

The deadline is 20. February (two weeks).

I hope you will have fun with this one and I wish you happy and great playing

Emir

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Group 1

1. ErikEklund
2. ztevie
3. fatb0t
4. enforcer
5. coffeeman
6. Jesse
7. Velvet Roger
8. Toroso
9. kaznie_NL
10. Pedja Simovic


Group 2

1. Tolek
2. superize
3. Sondre
4. Smells
5. Ajmurrell
6. UncleSkillet
7. coloneldrew
8. Col Roberts
9. Marc_Maiden
10. Rated Htr


Group 3

1. Boson
2. Nermin
3. Paiva
4. Caelumamittendum
5. SonofDestiny
6. strat
7. Dexxter
8. OrganisedConfusion
9. Sergio Dorado
10. JamesT

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My take

Posted by: ErikEklund Feb 6 2009, 04:54 PM

Really cool backingtrack, Im in

Posted by: ztevie Feb 6 2009, 04:55 PM

I'm in of course!

Posted by: fatb0t Feb 6 2009, 04:58 PM

I would like to try...

Posted by: enforcer Feb 6 2009, 04:58 PM

I want more slammin! I am in too

Posted by: coffeeman Feb 6 2009, 04:58 PM

Im in!

Posted by: Emir Hot Feb 6 2009, 04:59 PM

Thank you guys I added you. Please make sure you watch that video for the instructions.

Posted by: Jesse Feb 6 2009, 06:04 PM

Gotta love the boogie!

Posted by: Emir Hot Feb 6 2009, 06:11 PM

Yeah boogie is cool. I think that meant you want to sign up

I added you.

Posted by: Velvet Roger Feb 6 2009, 06:14 PM

Will certainly try to produce something before the 20th, but not sure whether I am going to make it (too many other things going on currently). If I did not submit by the 20th, just let it go

Posted by: Jesse Feb 6 2009, 06:16 PM

Didn't when I posted, but I saw your intro vid, and now I want to join!


Your guitar tone rules... it's dirty but yet clean GO TRIPLETS GO, TRIPLETS BE GOOD!

Posted by: ztevie Feb 6 2009, 06:45 PM

After the great job you did last collab, Emir, I think you can count on +100 participants now, haha...

Posted by: Toroso Feb 6 2009, 06:45 PM

I want to try this again if I may.

Posted by: Emir Hot Feb 6 2009, 07:51 PM

Ok Velvet, try your best and if you can't don't worry. Thanks anyway



Thanks I use amplitube 2. Give this one a go if you wanna play some cool blues/rock licks.



Thanks ztevie I don't think it will be more than 25 anyway. Even with 25 I need 5 days to record all the comments. This collab is actually not getting a huge response as the last one. I remember I had 15 people in just 1 hour after I posted the thread. They might be worried about all the scales I suggested in the 1st post But nothing really to worry about, those are just suggestions. This track is pretty much straight forward rock/bluesy kind of style, just a faster type of it.



Sure Toroso, thanks for coming back. I will give you a special attention. Got some stuff ready for you to help you. We'll talk tomorrow as we agreed

Cheers

Posted by: kaznie_NL Feb 6 2009, 07:53 PM

Me is in

Posted by: Emir Hot Feb 6 2009, 08:06 PM

Sure man You had a nice rock solo last time.

Posted by: ztevie Feb 6 2009, 08:11 PM

I think you might not have so many because there's a lot going on right now. Muris just started 2 collabs and 1 competition. February months 3-level competition was just announced the other day... And some more stuff also just started.
This is very straight-forward stuff, I agree. It's faster, but it's really very basic, so noone should be afraid trying...
It can be a challenge to make a solo stick out I think, be more interesting so to speak. Let's see if the participants can find some way to escape the "normal" soloing for this kind of stuff and make it a little bit special.

Posted by: Tolek Feb 6 2009, 08:14 PM

I´m in!

Posted by: Emir Hot Feb 6 2009, 08:20 PM

That's what I would love to see



Sure Tolek Thanks for joining

Posted by: Pedja Simovic Feb 6 2009, 09:52 PM

Great to see your new collaboration up and running.
By the way, Instructors 80's rock collaboration is posted now. I know you wanted comments so bad Emir, go check it out http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_forum/index.php?showtopic=24313

Posted by: superize Feb 6 2009, 09:54 PM

I want in

Posted by: Sondre Feb 6 2009, 10:08 PM

Im in!

Posted by: Emir Hot Feb 6 2009, 10:30 PM

Hahaha yes it's really bad Thank you for the comment, it's actually exactly as you wrote. Thanks for that.



added



added

Posted by: Smells Feb 6 2009, 11:02 PM

I`ll have a crack please

Posted by: Emir Hot Feb 6 2009, 11:03 PM

Great you're with us

Posted by: Smells Feb 7 2009, 01:01 AM

really fun backing, loved the second half!

Thought I`d get this out quick in case I dont get time another night, hopefully I got all the instructions correct *fingers crossed*

 Emir_Boogie_with_BT.mp3 ( 1.1MB ) : 236


 Emir_Boogie_no_BT_slight_crunch_guitar.mp3 ( 1.07MB ) : 230


 Emir_Boogie_no_BT_driven_guitar.mp3 ( 1.07MB ) : 252


no effects but drive on these two

Posted by: Ajmurrell Feb 7 2009, 01:07 AM

you know I want in

Posted by: Emir Hot Feb 7 2009, 01:14 AM

great This is how everybody should send tracks. Haven't checked your signal yet but I believe it's ok. Also hope that solo guitar tracks are mono. Now I am listening on laptop. Thanks




I've been waiting for you to sign up

Posted by: Smells Feb 7 2009, 01:17 AM

yes they are recorded in mono

Posted by: UncleSkillet Feb 7 2009, 01:21 AM

I am already in Mirus's Fusion collab but want to do yours also. 2 week time limit is the same for both so that's going to be tough.

I will try really hard to upload a track but I only get to play once or twice a week.

I will start with both collabs tomorrow.

Posted by: Emir Hot Feb 7 2009, 01:25 AM

Excellent The first take and all done properly like I explained. I hope it wasn't a difficult task. It's just 3 things to remember. A take like this is ready to be mixed without spending time for any editing before that. Well done



Ok uncle I added you. Don't worry if you don't manage. I told the same to Velvet Roger. Thanks for trying anyway.

Posted by: coloneldrew Feb 7 2009, 01:25 AM

Definitely in on this one.

Thanks in advance!

Posted by: Emir Hot Feb 7 2009, 01:27 AM

Thanks mate

added

Posted by: Smells Feb 7 2009, 01:28 AM

not difficult at all

just made sure I watched your vid first, perfectly clear

Posted by: Col Roberts Feb 7 2009, 02:00 AM

I'll give it a go.

Posted by: UncleSkillet Feb 7 2009, 02:49 AM

Hey Emir, would a Cry Baby Wah pedal be ok with out delay and reverb?

Posted by: lcsdds Feb 7 2009, 03:47 AM

Emir,
I have been busier than usual and at the moment only have time to finish up Muris's "play like me" competition. I already had to bow out of his fusion collab. I'm in on your next one for sure though. I'm serious, I might have to cut back to a part time job to keep up with all the collabs and competitions around here. Look forward to everybody's takes and Emir's comments. Rock on Guys!!!

Posted by: Marc_Maiden Feb 7 2009, 06:27 AM

ill hit it!!! i have time!!!!!!

ill hit it!!! i have time!!!!!!

Posted by: Boson Feb 7 2009, 09:06 AM

omg I wish I could do that!

I'd like to give this a try Emir, so please add me.

If I dont make it by 20th go ahead without me. As a beginner it still takes me a long time to come up with something Im happy with but Im sure I learn a lot along the way.

Thanks for organising this.

Posted by: Emir Hot Feb 7 2009, 11:57 AM

Yes you can record with wah pedal. Those effects I can't copy. This applies for slide as well.



You're in



No problem Monte. You are always welcome. Visit us here sometimes ang give some feedback



Thanks, you're in.



No problem, I added you. Please write when you started playing guitar. It will help me for the response.

Posted by: Pedja Simovic Feb 7 2009, 02:14 PM

Emir I might join this but not with 100% certainty, if you don't mind ?

I want to hear your comments on my take - its not fair for me to comment your playing, you should do the same for mine

Posted by: Paiva Feb 7 2009, 02:59 PM

I'm in

Posted by: Caelumamittendum Feb 7 2009, 03:53 PM

I'd sure like to join in as well!

Posted by: Marc_Maiden Feb 7 2009, 04:34 PM

oh yeah i forgot, ive been playing guitar for 4 years

Posted by: Boson Feb 7 2009, 06:25 PM

I have been playing for 4 or 5 months. Since September 2008.

Posted by: Emir Hot Feb 7 2009, 06:48 PM

Sure Pedja. It's great that we have an instructor here. I think there are many places where you can do some jazzy licks. Thanks for joining



Added, thanks for coming back



Added as well, cheers



Thanks Marc



Great. Thank you.
If you are not comfortable with changing modes you can do pentatonic and blues licks. Ask if you need any help.

Posted by: SonofDestiny Feb 7 2009, 06:53 PM

Mind if I join?

Posted by: Emir Hot Feb 7 2009, 06:57 PM

Of course I don't. Thanks for coming back

Posted by: strat Feb 7 2009, 08:13 PM

Hi Emir,

cool new stuff! I would like to join but I've never played boogie,
I hope this won't end up in a disaster!

cheers strat

Posted by: Emir Hot Feb 7 2009, 08:58 PM

Come on in man This is a simple stuff. Play some blues/rock licks and you'll be fine. I added you. Watch my intro video there are some tips about scales you can use.

Posted by: Dexxter Feb 9 2009, 05:54 PM

Oops, almost missed this thread I'm in!

Posted by: OrganisedConfusion Feb 9 2009, 05:56 PM

I will try and give it a go

Posted by: Emir Hot Feb 9 2009, 06:02 PM

Added



Added

Posted by: Col Roberts Feb 10 2009, 11:48 AM

Here's my take.

 Boogie_ColR_Mix.mp3 ( 1.03MB ) : 163

 Boogie_ColR_1_NOBT.mp3 ( 1.08MB ) : 136

 Boogie_ColR_2_NOBT.mp3 ( 1.08MB ) : 131


Part 1 recorded dry, Part 2 recorded with just a little distortion, both in mono.

Effects: Part 1
...........Classic Reverb (Small Club)
...........Classic Delay 100ms, no feedback
Effects: Part 2
...........Classic Reverb (Small Hall)
...........Classic Delay 100ms, no feedback

If there are any problems, let me know.

Posted by: OrganisedConfusion Feb 10 2009, 11:56 AM

Also what does all this mean. Recording a dry take? With no effects? How do you get it to sound how we want without effects and without being us? Also how do you record in mono and do you record left speaker or right speaker or does it not matter? I'm completely lost as normally I just dial in my tone and record a take with and without backing.

Posted by: ztevie Feb 10 2009, 12:25 PM

He want everything dry and will add effects by himself to make it fit in the mix in a better way. I understand that you want your sound with effects to come through. What you can do is record it dry in the track without a backing, and then on the backing you add your effects so he hear what you want it to sound like tonewise...
Even if you record mono you will have sound in both left and right channel. I don't know what software you're using, but in Cubase, even if I record mono I will have sound in both without adjusting settings. Stereo recording is only necessary if you for example want delay bouncing differently in left and right channel (ping-pong delay maybe?). And maybe if you use Pod X3 with 2 tones together left/right, I think?
Guitar is a mono instrument anyway so recorded dry it doesn't matter. You will have smaller files this way...

Posted by: OrganisedConfusion Feb 10 2009, 12:29 PM

ok cheers. I will give this a go I sound awful with a dry tone lol

Posted by: ztevie Feb 10 2009, 12:41 PM

I know what you mean, haha... It is really dificult to get the same feel when playing dry. With delay and reverb I get loads more of sustain and hang in the tone, so recording dry will make me have to dig into the strings more and play cleaner...

Posted by: OrganisedConfusion Feb 10 2009, 12:48 PM

Could be worse lol. Imagine The Edge from U2 playing without effects. Like the Bill Bailey impression

Posted by: Emir Hot Feb 10 2009, 02:15 PM

ztevie has already explained this but I would just add that you can put your effects on the insert channel in your DAW. That way you can hear while recording but the effect will not be recorded unless you tick that option in the export dialog box (window).



Believe me that the sound engineer makes these effects during mixing. His guitar signal is as dry as possible during recording but he can hear the effects while playing. When they play live that's something different.

edit: When I say dry signal, I don't mean you should switch the distortion off. Only delays and reverbs if you have any

Posted by: fatb0t Feb 10 2009, 02:19 PM

I've worked two days straight on this collab, I've yet to come up with anything I remotely like hahahaha.
Plus I know Emir is serious about critiquing these takes so I want to put my best foot forward so to speak...

Posted by: Emir Hot Feb 10 2009, 02:19 PM

Thank you.

How can delay be with no feedback? If I set feedback to 0 you won't hear any delay.

Posted by: ztevie Feb 10 2009, 02:24 PM

Yeah, using software effects is an option of course...
But I like to use my POD xt for all effects and everything, so I don't need to put extra load on the PC. IN the POD it's possible to reamp though, which is neat... That means I can record with full effects and everything and hear that, but only the dry, clean guitar signal gets recorded into the track(not even distortio or amp simulation or anything gets recorded). Then I can put the recording on a loop, and sit and adjust everything in the pod while the totally clean track gets played through the pod again. I can then rerecord that dry signal with my adjusted effect/amp/whatever. So basically I can change my mind a million times about the sound and never play that same piece again.

Posted by: OrganisedConfusion Feb 10 2009, 02:24 PM

That's what I was thinking

Posted by: ztevie Feb 10 2009, 02:26 PM

Yeah, you can't cheat this guy
If something is done halfhearted you will proably hear about it in the review..

EDIT: Just improvised over this piece for a while. Reeeeally bluesy stuff coming outta my fingers here.. Nice! I'll keep it that way, I think.? Simple and without overplaying...

Posted by: Emir Hot Feb 10 2009, 02:55 PM

Even in this case you record mono. That's why you have L and R output. You arm 2 tracks for recording in your software and you record them simultaneously L and R both mono then you pan them. Otherwise I wouldn't be able to separate them if I want to change anything either on L or R side. For this collaboration that wouldn't be necessary as we are not producing million dollars record but in a proper studio they would record you separately.

I am not asking to send me the track without distortion. I don't have the same equipment as you so I can't recreate your original distorted sound. I am only talking about delays because if you have too much of it then it might not fit in the mix properly and I am not able to remove it.

Thanks for earlier explaination



Let me explain this. Mono signal is not only L or R channel. Mono is when you bounce both L and R into one channel. So either you listen L or R you will hear the same thing, no panning works in mono. Just open your track for recording and set it to be a mono track. You will still hear your sound in both speakers but only one wave form will be recorded instead of two (L and R). Then I can pan your guitar in the mix somewhere and together with other panned instruments I will produce final mastered stereo track. I hope you understand this. Ask me if you have any problems. I can do a video tutorial about this if that helps.

Cheers

Posted by: Col Roberts Feb 11 2009, 06:38 AM

Hi Emir,
With the VST delay I am using, if delay is set to some value and feedback is set to 0, I am getting the delay effect.
I looked at the help on delay effect and it showed this: "The Feedback parameter allows you to send some of the delayed audio back into the delay effect, so it will play again after the delay period. This can be used to create a long series of echoes."
Anyhow, if you need to add a feedback value I'll leave it to your judgement.

Posted by: Emir Hot Feb 11 2009, 08:58 AM

Ok I understand. It's a bit strange for delay to work like that but OK. I heard your take and I think I know how to get that sound. Thanks

Posted by: Sergio Dorado Feb 11 2009, 10:04 AM

Hello Emir. How are you? I want to collaborate. I´m in!

Posted by: Emir Hot Feb 11 2009, 10:44 AM

Hi Sergio. Welcome mate

Posted by: Nermin Feb 11 2009, 08:01 PM

Hey Emir

Do you have room for one more? Ill would like to give it a shot, and see how it goes.

Also i just want to make sure i get this right. I know you mentioned no effects like delay etc.. I use Guitar Rig in Pro Tools to record with. And load that as a effect on the track so i can get distortion etc. Is that ok? Or do you want me to just mic my amp and record raw distoreted and clean sound like that? I prefer to use Guitar Rig because if i turn up my Marshall amp where i want it its going to destroy my whole neighborhod.

Posted by: Emir Hot Feb 11 2009, 10:40 PM

Hi

Yes you can play, we have a place for you You can use your Guitar Rig but please switch off delays and reverbs. Anything else is ok.

Cheers

p.s. Where are you from mate?

Posted by: Nermin Feb 11 2009, 10:51 PM

Ok i anderstand now.
I am from Bosnia ( Stolac) . Where you from?

Posted by: Emir Hot Feb 11 2009, 11:19 PM

Bosnia, Tuzla but living in London UK

Posted by: Pedja Simovic Feb 11 2009, 11:32 PM

Emir I have to pull out from your collab. You know I had trouble with my computer, now I have new one and need to catch up with my collaboration and lessons. If I manage to pull it all off I might record take for you but no promises !

Sorry man !

Posted by: Emir Hot Feb 11 2009, 11:58 PM

Ok Pedja I understand. It is more important to fix your computer of course. I will take you out from the list but if you decide to come back you are welcome.

Posted by: JamesT Feb 12 2009, 04:54 AM

Hi Emir! I'll give this one a shot.
I was a little worried about making sure I could finish Muris's Lydian collab. But now that that's done, I think I can focus on this for nine days.

Killer backing. I'll do my best.

Thanks,
Jim.

Posted by: Emir Hot Feb 12 2009, 05:09 AM

No problem James, welcome

Posted by: Rated Htr Feb 12 2009, 04:04 PM

Ok, let me in...I'll see if I can furfill the deadline

Posted by: Emir Hot Feb 12 2009, 04:07 PM

added

Posted by: Emir Hot Feb 12 2009, 07:03 PM

Hi Guys

I have uploaded my take on this backing track. You can find it in the first post of this thread. I am doing a boogie lesson for GMC so this will be my solo. You don't need to play this fast. This take is just for the lesson. However if you can produce something similar then you are very welcome to upload it

cheers

Posted by: Ajmurrell Feb 12 2009, 07:05 PM

That was very tastefull indeed Emir, will make for a great lesson too. Plenty of energy in that one!

Posted by: Rated Htr Feb 12 2009, 07:06 PM

Wonderful take emir, looking foward to the lesson

Posted by: Emir Hot Feb 12 2009, 07:08 PM

Thanks guys I am glad if you like it. There are some cool rock licks. You can pick them when the lesson is published. I am now testing new video format. We all have to move to a big player.

Posted by: lcsdds Feb 12 2009, 07:09 PM

Awesome take Emir!! You are such a tasteful player. You sound like you have picking chops to spare, can I have some!!

Posted by: Emir Hot Feb 12 2009, 07:11 PM

Yeah I can give you some You can have this hybrid stuff over D7

Posted by: ztevie Feb 12 2009, 07:47 PM

OK, so now my self confidence went down to bottom floor, the elevator won't work and the stairs are blocked, i'm stuck down here...

Posted by: Emir Hot Feb 12 2009, 07:48 PM

hahah no man, don't tell me that

Posted by: Toroso Feb 13 2009, 12:01 AM

That's why I never listen to anyone's upload until I upload mine. I got enough problems as it is!

Posted by: Pedja Simovic Feb 13 2009, 05:20 PM

Emir I want to re join your collab. I will try to record something now and post it here.
Thanks

Posted by: Emir Hot Feb 13 2009, 05:22 PM

Great Pedja. Welcome back

Posted by: ztevie Feb 15 2009, 01:42 PM

Ok Emir, here's my stuff... Hope I got everything right regarding your instructions.. Should be!?

Please add reverb/delay as you please. I took it off from the original tone, and I didn't include it into the version with the backing either. So the backingtrack solos might appear very dry, but... I think I trust you more than myself to find the right amount of effects.

Posted by: Emir Hot Feb 15 2009, 06:21 PM

Great man Thanks

Posted by: Caelumamittendum Feb 16 2009, 09:10 AM

Hey Emir.

This deadline is a bit further away, but as I wrote in Muris' collab, I'm not sure I'm able to record anything. I haven't been doing all too well and I'm just trying to get my head above water again, spending time with my girlfriend, when I'm not at work. I cannot promise a recording. I'm really sorry about it, Emir!

Posted by: Emir Hot Feb 16 2009, 03:04 PM

That's ok man. Get better and come back next time

Posted by: Sondre Feb 17 2009, 12:43 AM

Im having a very busy time, so im sorry to say i cant participate in your collab. Awesome backing and all, but to much going on atm.

Posted by: Emir Hot Feb 17 2009, 03:08 AM

What can I say? Pretty much the same as in the previous post. You know you are always welcome back

Cheers

Posted by: Emir Hot Feb 17 2009, 08:11 PM

Hi guys.

How is it going with this collab? I have only received a couple of takes by now. You have 3 more days for upload.

I have just uploaded a video of my take. You can find it in the first post of this thread. This will be my next GMC lesson.

If you have problems with anything about recording/playing you can ask here.

Posted by: Toroso Feb 18 2009, 12:01 AM

3 days! Yikes! Emir, I'm working out of town this week with no guitar. I get home Thursday, so I'll see what I can get done.

Posted by: Velvet Roger Feb 18 2009, 12:03 AM

As I already was afraid of, I won't make it in time Emir. Sorry about that, will surely like to join next time again.

Posted by: Emir Hot Feb 18 2009, 03:05 AM

Ok take your time



no problem man Thanks for trying this time

Posted by: Pedja Simovic Feb 18 2009, 03:07 AM

Great video Emir, really enjoyed it man !

Posted by: Emir Hot Feb 18 2009, 03:08 AM

Thank you Pedja How is it going with your take?

Posted by: Pedja Simovic Feb 18 2009, 03:09 AM

You welcome man !

I will work on it thursday and friday if thats not too late ?

Posted by: Emir Hot Feb 18 2009, 03:11 AM

That's fine Can't wait to hear your take

Posted by: Pedja Simovic Feb 18 2009, 03:14 AM

Man don't raise your hopes too high please

By the way is that Mpeg4 type video or previous LM ?

Posted by: Emir Hot Feb 18 2009, 03:19 AM

Man I am sure you will play some awesome lines

This video is uploaded from Vegas directly to Youtube. There is a great option "upload to youtube". It's asks you for your youtube username/password and you edit your video info in Vegas. You have 2 video qualities to chose from. This was "higher" quality option so I believe Youtube can't really produce better than this. I am not sure what codec is used automatically for youtube export. When I export myself (as you will see in this lesson in a couple of weeks) this actually looks much better.

Posted by: Pedja Simovic Feb 18 2009, 03:20 AM

We will see man


I assume you are talking about new Vegas? I just got man, I will definitely check out that Youtube export mode !

So you are saying that when you export it looks better then the youtube direct export, or is it vice versa ?

Posted by: Emir Hot Feb 18 2009, 03:25 AM

Yes when I export to my hard drive it is much better. I use mp4 codec. I think Youtube does its own coversion so that's why the quality is not as good but it's not a Vegas problem.

Posted by: Pedja Simovic Feb 18 2009, 03:35 AM

Great man, just what I taught !

Its still sounds like a great feature by the way - direct export to Youtube account - awesome


I will get to my take thursday - hopefully by friday you should get it man !

Thanks


Edit: duplicate response

Posted by: JamesT Feb 18 2009, 04:02 AM

Almost done Emir.
My take might go right up to the deadline. I'm working on the 2nd half now.


Jim.

Posted by: Rated Htr Feb 18 2009, 05:20 AM

I have a trial take but it's still gonna have some changings, also I must have some problem because the timing in the track always sounds good to me while I'm playing and when I see how it was recorded it sounds like 3 seconds delayed :S

Posted by: Emir Hot Feb 18 2009, 05:45 AM

Ok no problem Still a couple of days left




You need to set up your soundcard latency through the ASIO driver options. Make it 10ms or below that. My one is on 7ms. Alternatively move it manualy until you find the position but definitely find this option and sort it out. If you are using Sonar or Cubase you can start something called wave profiler and it automaticaly sets yout sound card for optimal performance. If you have built-in sound card on your motherboard then you need a free driver called AsioForAll. Look in Google for that. This card is actualy not recomended for recording.

Posted by: Marc_Maiden Feb 18 2009, 05:47 AM

emir im finishing it up right now! sorry bout the delay! i just got my recording set up going with my new mesa

Posted by: Emir Hot Feb 18 2009, 05:53 AM

cool man it's ok

I was just wondering what is going on with the collab as this topic was almost dead for a whole week

Posted by: Marc_Maiden Feb 18 2009, 06:43 AM

sorry about the roughness of this take....first time recording with the mesa....wayy different!

Posted by: Emir Hot Feb 18 2009, 05:05 PM

Thanks Marc

Posted by: Paiva Feb 18 2009, 07:53 PM

Hey Emir this is not that good (well atleast the 2nd part I think I didn't do that bad on the 1st one) because it's not just my style of playing but I did my best I think.

 boogie_backing_200bpm2.mp3 ( 884.51K ) : 117


 boogie_backing_200bpmpart12.mp3 ( 884.51K ) : 98


 boogie_backing_200bpmpart22.mp3 ( 886.96K ) : 101

Posted by: Emir Hot Feb 18 2009, 08:17 PM

Thank you

Posted by: JamesT Feb 19 2009, 03:44 AM

Ok Emir, here's my completed takes.
As you've requested, I recorded the guitar parts dry with more gain on the 2nd part.
Feel free to add the effects that you see work best. In my mix, I ended up using a lot of delay, especially for the second part. I used a stereo delay with 450 ms in the left side, and 300ms in the right. This is equivalent to 1.5 whole notes in the left side and 1.0 whole notes in the right when synched to the tempo. I find that when sync'ing the delay to the tempo, it gives you that deep, huge sound without cluttering up the beat with a bunch of discrete echos. For feedback, I had it set to about 25% on each side. This lets you hear about four echo's before they die out completely. I set the delay mix (wet to dry) to about 10 percent. This keeps the echos proportional to the mix without over doing it. For the 1st guitar part, I used the same settings only with less feedback and lower mix settings. For reverb, I just used a "Hall" reverb with the level set low enough so that it doesn't start to sound like a tunnel. No other effects besides delay and reverb were used on the guitars. I'd like to learn more about using effects wisely in the mix, that's for sure.

I hope you like it. It turned out pretty good I think.


 20090217_Emir_Boogie_wBacking.mp3 ( 1.29MB ) : 145

 20090217_Emir_Boogie_1stGuitar.mp3 ( 1.29MB ) : 148

 20090217_Emir_Boogie_2ndGuitar.mp3 ( 1.29MB ) : 105



Jim.

Posted by: UncleSkillet Feb 19 2009, 03:49 AM

Way to go Jim!! Sounds really nice

Posted by: JamesT Feb 19 2009, 04:00 AM

Thanks man!

Posted by: Emir Hot Feb 19 2009, 04:36 AM

Thanks for this explaination. I will try to make it the same Nice playing

Posted by: ErikEklund Feb 19 2009, 05:30 PM

Hi Emir!

Here is my take, Im new to this style and I enjoyed this collab very much

thanks

Posted by: kaznie_NL Feb 19 2009, 05:34 PM

Hey Emir,

With the deadline aproaching, I thought finishing this would be a good idea So that's what I did xD I've uploaded three files, the mix one speaks for itself. Part 1 means the Bass/drumms only part, and part 2 is the latter of the two parts. I have to say.. this is the one collab with the most overdubbing and stop-recordings I've ever done I also wrote the second part partially... I found it quite hard to come up with something good on the first part... and I found it so hard that I couldn't really find anything good.... so sorry bout that

Effect: pls edit some reverb/delay for a bit of a more outstanding sound in the first part, a bit jazzy, do what you think is needed! For the second part, I'd like some delay and maybe some reverb to get the nice smooth rock'n roll sound.

Thanks for doing this Emir!

Posted by: Emir Hot Feb 19 2009, 07:17 PM

Cheers




Ok Kaznie thank you for this

Posted by: Ajmurrell Feb 19 2009, 08:47 PM

Man, I'm finding this one incredibly challenging. I can hear what I want to play, but I just don't have the speed to do it, or familar positions to use to play it.

This is very unfamiliar territory for me, but only one way to learn! I'll keep at it!

Posted by: Emir Hot Feb 19 2009, 10:11 PM

You don't need to play fast to make it sound good. Go for longer notes and it should be easier.

Posted by: Ajmurrell Feb 20 2009, 01:34 AM

Emir, here is my take:


 emir_collab_boogie_mixdown.mp3 ( 1.72MB ) : 147

 emir_collab_boogie_drive.mp3 ( 1.72MB ) : 100

 emir_collab_boogie_clean.mp3 ( 1.72MB ) : 100


I found this one much harder, I'm not sure why, it might be my lack of knowledge in regards to scale use and even playing in triplet feel.

I tried to implement the advice as best I could from the last collab, but because I use Adobe Audition I found it difficult to achieve the same set up you had.

Essentially in the multi-track recording software I use, when I select a track with an existing recording on it, and try to record over it - it mutes what ever is being played underneath.

What I tried to do instead was play in two seperate channels in order to achieve a few takes when I messed up.

Hope it achieves the same effect!

I'm not totally happy with this recording, but only because I couldn't get the groove down properly due to my lack of experience with whatever it is i'm missing for this collab!

Awesome work on the backing, and with your own take.

Cheers man

Posted by: Marc_Maiden Feb 20 2009, 01:49 AM

emir,

do you think you can tab out that solo in guitar pro 4 format or regular tabs?


i really like and want to study some of the phrasing you did

Posted by: Ajmurrell Feb 20 2009, 01:56 AM

I think I remember Emir saying that it's going to be an official lesson here at some point soon.

Might be wrong though!

Posted by: Emir Hot Feb 20 2009, 04:03 AM

Yes it is perfectly ok to record on two separate tracks.



That lesson is ready just waiting to be published.



Yes

Posted by: UncleSkillet Feb 20 2009, 04:18 AM

Hey Emir, I hope all is well with you.

Another great collab you got going here! Some really good takes.

I am in Muris boot camp right now and this is where I need to be (my focus is on moving to the next level). I won't be uploading anything or taking part in any collabs for a while. I'm sure you understand.

When Muris gives me a weekend pass for a job well done then I will hunt your collabs down and upload.

Cheers bro!

Posted by: fatb0t Feb 20 2009, 05:09 AM

hey man, sorry to disappoint but I gotta opt out of this one. Sorry for taking up space =/

Posted by: Emir Hot Feb 20 2009, 01:17 PM

Ok man, I understand. Good luck there in the camp



No problem. Welcome anytime

Posted by: Pedja Simovic Feb 20 2009, 03:10 PM

Hi Emir

I had time today finally to mess a bit your backing track. This is my improvised take, its far from perfect but I decided to upload because I promised I would submit it today

On the side note, my Nuendo has trouble exporting Stereo so I exported everything as Mono , hope you will accept that !

Anyways - shoot me with your criticism now
Thanks man

P.S. If I had extra day I would get it to sound stronger

Posted by: Emir Hot Feb 20 2009, 03:17 PM

Great Pedja. Thanks for this great take

edit: mono is what I need. You didn't watch my intro video

Posted by: Pedja Simovic Feb 20 2009, 03:20 PM

Man I was expecting yelling from you seriously ! Haha , thanks

I watched the video just like Stereo for some reason more but know you want Mono so I respect that - you got Mono anyways

Posted by: ztevie Feb 20 2009, 03:44 PM

Last day... How many entries you have so far? Around 10 or something?
C'mon guys, get your entries up here now! We had enough time to record something on this collab already? Maybe some people are not used to solo over Boogie, neither am I. But just do your best, and take it from there, you know you'll be getting some valuable advice on how to improve, noone does it perfect anyway... So click that upload button, you know you want to!

Posted by: Emir Hot Feb 20 2009, 04:02 PM

Posted by: strat Feb 20 2009, 04:13 PM

Hi Emir,

here comes my attempt, but the second part is nothing to get exited about -sorry
perhaps a little bit reverb would help.

 Boogie_Strat_WBT.mp3 ( 870.14K ) : 112

 Boogie_Strat_Part1.mp3 ( 870.01K ) : 131

 Boogie_Strat_Part2.mp3 ( 870.01K ) : 115


cheers Strat

Posted by: Emir Hot Feb 20 2009, 04:29 PM

Thank you Strat

Posted by: kaznie_NL Feb 20 2009, 04:33 PM

I get what you mean. This backing just begs for fast jazzy runs

Posted by: enforcer Feb 20 2009, 05:15 PM

Here is my take Emir, hope you like it.

For low gain drive I used:

-Some Reverb (its up to you)
-Delay
Delay Timing 1/2Triplets
Delay Feedback %15
Delay Mix %5

For high Gain I used:
-Chorus
Chorus Frequency: 2.00 Hz
Chorus Delay: 2 ms
Chorus Mix: %20
-Delay
Delay Timing 1/2 Triplets
Delay Feedback %18
Delay Mix: %7
-Reverb (its up to you)

Sure those are not written on stone, but I am sure you've got the picture so feel free to do anything if you think it will sound better

That was a great backtrack and challenging too. Thank you!!!

Cheers

Posted by: Emir Hot Feb 20 2009, 05:27 PM

Thank you man.

Delay: 2 ms ??? Did you mean 200ms?

Posted by: enforcer Feb 20 2009, 05:34 PM

No this is chorus' predelay


Ok, forum didnt show some spaces so I corrected my previous post

Posted by: Emir Hot Feb 20 2009, 05:34 PM

ah ok I see, I'll try to make it

Posted by: enforcer Feb 20 2009, 05:37 PM

Thank you man!

Posted by: Dexxter Feb 20 2009, 07:45 PM

Hey Emir

I somehow mistaked the deadline to be the 27th. But saw it was today and made up something quite fast. I have a friend over, so didn't have a lot of time. Anyway, here it is:

[attachment=13799:Dexxter_Boogie_WB.mp3]
[attachment=13802:Dexxter_...gie_NB_1.mp3]
[attachment=13801:Dexxter_...gie_NB_2.mp3]

Edit: The first part is totally dry. I know that you have amplitube2, so you can use the preset BBClean, no tweaking, for the first part. Second part is custom setting, just removed the reverb for the dry take.

Posted by: Emir Hot Feb 20 2009, 08:03 PM

Thank you man

Posted by: Rated Htr Feb 20 2009, 10:25 PM

Emir, I'm going to try to record my backing by tonight but, in I fail to do it so, can the deathline be extended till tomorrow? I've been studying alot lately for my exams that finished today x)

Posted by: Emir Hot Feb 20 2009, 10:55 PM

Well I nearly finished mixing. Ok I will wait a bit more and if anyone else thinks he can manage to send the take, you have it until tomorrow 12:00. If not then no problem, thanks for trying anyway.

Posted by: Pedja Simovic Feb 20 2009, 11:18 PM

I might do another take by tomorrow but no promises man

Posted by: Rated Htr Feb 20 2009, 11:52 PM

Ok Emir, Cheap Take, default tone from x3 live, some misses and bendings but, the point is I'll make it
Everything Mono...

[attachment=13817:boogienobt.mp3]

[attachment=13819:boogieacous.mp3]

[attachment=13821:boogie_01.mp3]

Posted by: Emir Hot Feb 21 2009, 12:08 AM

I am happy with what you played but if you want you can send another one.



Thanks

Posted by: Pedja Simovic Feb 21 2009, 12:47 AM

If you are happy thats good enough for last minute improvisation

Posted by: Sergio Dorado Feb 21 2009, 10:12 AM

Hello Emir. Last night I´ve just finished the composition of the whole solo. I will record it this afternoon, because in the morning I have work teaching classes. Sorry for the delay, Emir.

Posted by: Emir Hot Feb 21 2009, 04:33 PM

Ok Sergio I think I can wait for that one. Thank you

Posted by: Toroso Feb 21 2009, 06:51 PM

Here is my humble take Emir! Thanks for the collab and your help.

 Boogie_Mix_Toroso.mp3 ( 1.34MB ) : 151

 Boogie_Dry_A_Toroso.mp3 ( 1.34MB ) : 111

 Boogie_Dry_B_Toroso.mp3 ( 1.34MB ) : 108


I used a little reverb and here are my settings. You do what you think is best.

Side A
Verb: Cavernous
Pre 50%
Decay 50%
Tone 50%
Mix 41%

Side B
Verb: Medium Hall
Pre 53%
Decay 41%
Tone 24%
Mix 34%

Posted by: Emir Hot Feb 21 2009, 08:53 PM

Thank you

Posted by: Tolek Feb 22 2009, 06:59 PM

Hey Emir. Sorry to say this, but I can´t submit my take. I am at my father´s for a few days now and here I can´t get installed the POD Studio. So, no recording.

Posted by: Emir Hot Feb 22 2009, 08:38 PM

Ok Tolek, it's too late anyway because I have started recording comments. Soon I will start posting. Thanks for the info

Posted by: Sergio Dorado Feb 23 2009, 12:10 AM

Better late than never.. I hope. 1000 apologies for the delay, Emir. I´m not an expert in recording; I bought pod farm last week and I have some problems with it, because I didn´t know it works.
On the other hand I finished the composition friday, and some licks that i composed without guitar I must stu  Boogie_collaboration_mix.mp3 ( 881.66K ) : 182
dy in the last hours, so as you will see the performing must be better  Boogie_first_part.mp3 ( 881.66K ) : 160


Thanks for all.

Posted by: Emir Hot Feb 23 2009, 12:37 AM

Thank you Sergio. I need to remix the group now but no problem I will do that Thanks for sending the track

Posted by: superize Feb 23 2009, 12:42 AM

Sorry Emir for not doing my take but i have not really feelt like doing collabs latelly......

Maybe some other time

Posted by: Sergio Dorado Feb 23 2009, 10:59 AM

Hi Emir. I send you the guitar pro of my solo. These are the notes that would must sound. In the futrure, with more time, I will record another take, with more practice... and with your tips, of course.  Boogie_tab.gp5 ( 7.71K ) : 103

Posted by: Emir Hot Feb 23 2009, 03:48 PM

That's ok man You can come back any other time if you feel like doing it. Thanks for the infro



Thanks Sergio I will check it out

Posted by: Rated Htr Feb 23 2009, 05:22 PM

How long will it take Emir? You have any idea?

Posted by: Emir Hot Feb 23 2009, 05:39 PM

I need 4-5 days. Today I am not doing it because of my birthday but I will start recording comments tomorrow.

Posted by: enforcer Feb 23 2009, 05:47 PM

Please take your time bro,

Your comments are a great source of inspiration and motivation, so I believe it wont hurt a bit to wait longer...

And happy birthday again, have a great time!

Cheers

Posted by: ztevie Feb 23 2009, 05:51 PM

What!? You use your birthday for something else than this collab!? You are very lazy and have no loyalty to your collab-participants!

No, seriously: Take your time. I thought you were far too ambitious the last time, spending day and night for our comments, and not even have time to play guitar yourself is not healthy. You need to relax some, just the fact you're doing videocomments is far beyond any expectations...
Relax man!! Enjoy your birthday, and take care of that hangover tomorrow...

Posted by: Rated Htr Feb 23 2009, 05:55 PM

Yeah take your time, I was just asking out of curiosity...Since I already commented on my take on an objective point of view about tone, licks and all that and wanna know your opinion so I'm anxious

Happy birthday again man

Posted by: enforcer Feb 23 2009, 05:57 PM

He might try to remember to drink a lot of water with some efervescent paracetamole (preferably asprine) to wake up refreshed and clean

Posted by: Emir Hot Feb 23 2009, 07:49 PM

haha cool comments Thank you guys.

I will do my comments the same as last time but this time I will make some hidden youtube account and embed the videos from there. I am really not lazy to do this but it takes a bit of time. Today I have some friends coming for my birthday so tomorrow after shower and a big coffee I am doing the videos. I will post them all together, not one by one.

Posted by: kaznie_NL Feb 24 2009, 10:04 AM

I think that's fair!

Posted by: Pedja Simovic Feb 24 2009, 12:53 PM

Take your time Emir I am in rush getting critique from you man

Posted by: JamesT Mar 6 2009, 09:55 PM

Emir:
Thanks for your comments.

For the part you pointed out where I was playing all over the place with regard to the scale... I.e., When the backing track goes back to A during the second half. I thought that I was playing A Dorian actually, which is "major", so I thought that it would work. Did it sound out of key? ...I think my ears adapt to thinking everything's fine sometimes when I'm jamming.

When I get back home today, I'll post a tab of that section and double check that all the notes fit what I at least thought I was playing (i.e., A Dorian). Can you take a look to see what I might have done differently to make it better? I'll try to locate the minor 3rd that I was playing and change it to major to see if it sounds right or fits the underying chord. I think I see what you mean that you (the backing) were playing A7 which is major, and somewhere in the scale I was playing the minor third, but without picking up my guitar right now, I can't spot it. ...maybe after I get home today.

I really enjoyed this collab. It brought out some chops in me that I didn't even know I had.
Jim.

Posted by: Emir Hot Mar 7 2009, 06:52 AM

Hi. Your take was good. I was just trying to tell you about careful scale use. Dorian is not a major scale. It has a minor 3rd so it can't be a major scale. Every time you play that minor 3rd it doesn't match the chord on the backing. A7 is a major dominant chord and has 1, 3, 5, b7. Mixolydian scale would be the best option (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, b7). If you want to play pentatonic scale then major or dominant pentatonic is better choice than minor pentatonic.

major pentatonic - 1, 2, 3, 5, 6
dominant pentatonic - 1, 2, 3, 5, b7

Don't worry about it too much. Your take wasn't bad. You will start to notice these things if you practice enough. Many other guys played minor 3rd and I told them the same thing.