Printable Version of Topic

Posted by: Andrew Cockburn Oct 20 2007, 01:49 AM

A Member has suggested that we add a classified section to GMC to allow members to buy and sell stuff through GMC. This poll is to gauge interest and see if it would appeal to members in general. Please complete the poll, and if you would like to, add a comment giving your reasoning. We'll see where we are at in a few days.

Posted by: Slammer Oct 20 2007, 02:02 AM

I voted Possibly.

But the only problem I have with a classified section would be the Different Locations of all the GMCer's.

Unless it is made into where there is a "North American" section and a "Europe" and then I guess other countries too.

Well, the reason why is... mainly because of the high cost of shipping, Like for instance; say someone in Norway was selling something, and someone in Texas wanted to buy it, or vice versa. I think they would see that with the price of the shipping costs it would be easier to buy the things closer to home
But, If ppl have the money then all power to them

Although I do think subsections for different regions would be a help, then if ppl want to buy something from another region they will have it all sorted out.

Then again what do I know?

But it's definetly not a bad Idea

Posted by: Unleash-The-Shred Oct 20 2007, 02:08 AM

Nice, i requested the classifieds section

Posted by: mattacuk Oct 20 2007, 02:09 AM

Yeah i like the idea alot !

Posted by: chast Oct 20 2007, 02:13 AM

I also voted for Possibly and I only can argree with Slammer

Posted by: Owen Oct 20 2007, 02:22 AM

Interesting idea, I think it would be a good thing to implement to see if it worked anyway

Posted by: Unleash-The-Shred Oct 20 2007, 02:23 AM

Going good so far, first 15 minutes and no denies for the request.

Posted by: Joey Oct 20 2007, 02:24 AM

I'd definitely try using it but i dont think anything can tear me away from ebay. lol

Posted by: MickeM Oct 20 2007, 02:35 AM

I'm convinced the stuff that will be sold here are either flawless or it's stated if anything is crappy with it - Honest ads. We don't wanna sell crap to family, right? ...or send a brick instead of a Cry baby f ex.

Posted by: Robin Oct 20 2007, 02:40 AM

If we get a forum like this we should make a sticky topic in it where we tell about users that we have had good/bad experiences with when selling/buying.

Posted by: Vinicitur Oct 20 2007, 02:44 AM

Not only shipping. There might be a risk of conflicts if someone buys something
and feels that they didn't get their money's worth or were misled.

I believe it's still a good idea, but I think the administrators should look at this
carefully. It would also be a good idea to create guidelines for everyone.

Posted by: jeff Oct 20 2007, 03:03 AM

I voted probably not. The only reason is that I would hate to see a transaction go bad and then flame wars and bad feelings start. I don't know if it's worth taking the chance. Although I do like talking about equipment and helping others when I can. I believe that GMC has proven to be one of the best communities around and I would hate to see that their might be potential liabilites.

Posted by: MickeM Oct 20 2007, 03:16 AM

Vinicitur and jeff and pointing out very important issues. Worth to think about for Kris before deciding, no matter what the poll says.

Posted by: Andrew Cockburn Oct 20 2007, 03:40 AM

Good point Jeff - we would definitely have guidelines, and you know I wouldn't allow a flame war, but even so, that has to be considered.

Posted by: Street Musician Oct 20 2007, 04:43 AM

The problem is forum merchendise selling may lead to scamming. It is very easy to scam someone when selling stuff on message boards. I would think that musiciansfriend.com or ebay.com should be prefered over this type of thing.

Posted by: steve25 Oct 20 2007, 05:07 AM

Absolutely not, keep GMC for what it is, a tuition for guitar not a buy/sell place. Sorry but i think you'd b taking too much of a risk here

Posted by: FretDancer69 Oct 20 2007, 05:18 AM

good point, i hadnt realised that.

Posted by: tonymiro Oct 20 2007, 05:20 AM

At present I think anyone can join the forum (ie not just those who've subscribed to the videos etc). As such like Steve25 and Street Musician I'd be concerned about the potential of someone joining the board just to do a one off scam and then disappearing into the night with someone else's hard earned cash.

Cheers,
Tony

ps maybe I'm just getting cynical in my old age .

Posted by: SLASH91 Oct 20 2007, 05:22 AM

I voted possibly because it would be great if it could be pulled off, but there are a lot of potential problems that could occur.

Posted by: steve25 Oct 20 2007, 05:37 AM

Exactly it would be too much effort and trouble to make this a secured enough thing. Sure it might seem cool but lets not forget why we're here. Do you rally want to put effort into something like this when that time could be spent on something to do with guitar lessons and other features

Posted by: Slammer Oct 20 2007, 06:14 AM

I don't think just anyone can join.

I think you have to sign up for the lessons in order to become a member of the boards.

At least that's what it said when I tryed it out. Just to test it out, I signed out of my Slammer name, and clicked the "Register" button for the forum. It said I must pay for lessons in order to become a member of the forum.

Unless... it works for everyone else but not Slammer

Posted by: Andrew Cockburn Oct 20 2007, 06:17 AM

Yes, we have your IP address logged and we are victimizing just you

Posted by: ScottieDog Oct 20 2007, 06:47 AM

I'm with Steve25 (and others), keep this site as a learning and discussion site; lets not try and make money off each other.

The honest opinions on this site are great. I don't need to worry about anybody's reasoning in their replies......

Posted by: Slammer Oct 20 2007, 06:51 AM

*Runs and hides in my Imaginary cave*

Posted by: muris Oct 20 2007, 07:25 AM

I'm in 100%.

Great idea guys,another awesome feature to be added on GMC.
You always have to pay shipping and stuff,Ebay,Amazon etc.
But here we know each other a lot better,smaller chances to be fooled or som.
Just need to finalize few things like payment before or after receiving gear.

Anyhow,thumbs up.

Posted by: Understudy Oct 20 2007, 10:14 PM

I voted a definite NO. I think it will weaken the character of the site with a flea market kind of flavor. This is an instructional site , not a yard sale. Just my 2 copper pieces

Posted by: Fabian Schulz Oct 21 2007, 04:53 AM

I think a little place for selling gear would not be bad, as long as it's not getting to big. I think the focus should be on the lessons.

Posted by: Andrew Cockburn Oct 21 2007, 06:11 AM

For the naysayers that are concerned about scamming and similar, what if there was some sort of requirement about being on the board for a period of time, and making a certain number of posts? In addition, we could make that board for pre-moderated posts only.

Any comments?

Posted by: botoxfox Oct 21 2007, 06:19 AM

I think that would a good idea.

Posted by: Vinicitur Oct 21 2007, 06:29 AM

That could work out well. I think the only way to really know is to maybe do a test run. If it works out you keep the classified section up. If things get out of hand, you take it down.

Posted by: Ayen Oct 21 2007, 03:04 PM

I voted yes, I think it'd help a lot. If someone wanted to sell something on GMC that they didn't want, it'd probably be easier to get on GMC. And you know you'd get good reviews because....well come on...its GMC!


As for the scammers, maybe a required "Trial" time before you could buy or sell any items?
(Anyone whos played WoWarcraft, and applied and joined an end-game guild should instantly understand the concept )
A month or two, or maybe at least 50 posts, something like that.

Posted by: Bondy Oct 21 2007, 05:13 PM

I voted possibly but it would have to be members only for reasons explained by tony

Posted by: Legions Oct 21 2007, 06:08 PM

I voted "Yes very likely" but as long as it was a 'members only' I wouldn't have a problem with it.

Posted by: Unleash-The-Shred Oct 22 2007, 01:56 AM

Thats great thinking Andrew, I think that will help in order to get this thing going.

Posted by: jammer91 Oct 22 2007, 02:06 AM

i voted yes but then realised classifields cause problems...

THere will be conflict of prices (people will try to bargain and stuff) and if things dont work out for the best of interest for both parties then there could be permanent hatrid here on GMC.



Lets say another GMCer lives about a 2 hour long drive away from you. You need to meet him to buy an amp or something. He/she promised you theyed charge it for $200, but once you get there they charge $500 and theyd deny that they priced it at $200 (and you can do nothing about it, or leave GMC responsible for this). THis happened on another site to me.

Also people could sell illeagel stuff, like once on another site they are selling fake gibsons.



But if things worked out well it would be great.

Posted by: muris Oct 22 2007, 03:24 AM

Of course,no guests,members only,bottom line of posts on forum etc.

Posted by: mattacuk Oct 22 2007, 03:27 AM

Fanastic idea Andrew, i would say maybe make that a madatory requirment and it could be a really good idea!

Posted by: Unleash-The-Shred Oct 22 2007, 03:41 AM

It was my idea haha.

Posted by: mattacuk Oct 22 2007, 03:44 AM

WHOOPS! Sorry !

Posted by: Unleash-The-Shred Oct 22 2007, 03:51 AM

No problem man, just wanted to let you know.

Posted by: steve25 Oct 22 2007, 04:28 AM

Doing something like this i think could turn extremely bad for GMC, i don't really see the benefit of it to be honest with you. If things do go the wrong way you could lose members, stop members from joining and turn this from what it is which is a great community, to something really bad. That's just my opinion on it.

Posted by: Unleash-The-Shred Oct 22 2007, 05:20 AM

Yeah but look at ultimate-guitar.com's classifieds, they usually never have problems.

Posted by: Ayen Oct 22 2007, 06:17 AM

Doh, didn't even see that! Ignore what I said

Posted by: steve25 Oct 22 2007, 07:47 AM

UG is an awful community i think. I'd much rather be on here then on UG. Who knows what's caused UG to turn out the way it has

Posted by: Asphyxia Feeling Oct 23 2007, 07:01 AM

UG is free. it's the biggest guitar site on earth. most of the users are full-of-themselves kids (i'm only 18, so i'm not dissing on kids or anything) that think they know more about guitar playing then anyyybody else. i think there are plenty of intelligent people on UG, it's just that the whiny stupid people are the ones that talk the most, thus they paint the dirty picture.

"LINE6=TEH NOOB
CUBE/VOX=TEH 'AVERIGE"
TUBE AMP=TEH GOOD.

THESE R FACT."

Posted by: Unleash-The-Shred Oct 24 2007, 12:09 AM

I agree with this, thats why people think its a bad site.

Posted by: Unleash-The-Shred Oct 27 2007, 10:53 PM

Andrew, whats the update on this?

Posted by: Andrew Cockburn Oct 27 2007, 10:57 PM

Well, since about 75% of people were positive about it, maybe we'll try it - I'll PM Kris.

Thanks everyone for your feedback, we got some useful security ideas out of this.

Posted by: Unleash-The-Shred Oct 28 2007, 11:09 AM

I was thinking, about the security thing, everytime there is a transaction, you have to agree to a contract for it just like when a new instructor joins they have to agree to the contract, and if anything goes bad the person who was scammed can take the seller to court over it.

Posted by: Kristofer Dahl Oct 29 2007, 08:39 PM

Thanks for all the feedback - I definately think this is worth a try.

Thanks to all your ideas, we should be able to do this in a safe way!

Kris

Posted by: jammer91 Oct 29 2007, 08:55 PM

ADD:
"WARLOCK: TEH n00b AXE" (have to agree)

UGers can be close minded but as Asphyxia Feeling said there are a lot of smart UGers. I used to get UGers to do my homework (that was when i was aiming at a B ). Lot of them know stuff like Quantinum Physics and all but just hang around in the pit to act stupid.

Wish GMC had as many members on the forum, it would be a lot better (guess people are afraid to post).

Posted by: muris Oct 29 2007, 11:29 PM

Yuuupiiiiii

Posted by: dogman Oct 29 2007, 11:40 PM

As was stated a ways back in another reply, It's a trust thing. I buy from ebay only after researching feedback and from a popular Jackson guitar forum. and if I dont know the member a simple email to someone who has done business with them usually is enough for me.

Also the thought of a classified section only open to subscribers would be a little more reassuring that if they pay to stay most become regular posters.

I think it's a good idea

Posted by: Andrew Cockburn Oct 29 2007, 11:40 PM

I like this idea, but I don't believe it would work legally - and GMC really shouldn't get in the middle of this. The usual approach is for the Lister to be just that, someone who lists the goods - the contract is between the buyer and seller and usually regulated by the laws of the country (though how that works over the internet where buyer and sellers can be in completely different countries or continents, I have no idea!)

Posted by: Andrew Cockburn Oct 30 2007, 12:55 AM

Posted by: shredmandan Oct 30 2007, 01:20 AM

Only reason i said possible is because the fact that shipping may kill us here in the USA .If not i would very much be likly to buy as long as they had fair prices.I think it would be a very smart move for Kris though as you might as well get everything out of the site you can.

Posted by: FretDancer69 Oct 30 2007, 01:25 AM

lets see how this turns out.

Posted by: Alexiaden93 Oct 31 2009, 06:07 PM

I know my vote is 2 years late, but I would just like to say that it's a great idea, especially if GMC gets more members worldwide, so people from, say, Stavanger, can also benefit from this...

Posted by: Ivan Milenkovic Oct 31 2009, 06:27 PM

Awesome! This can be very useful indeed. Perhaps someone is interested in gear swaps as well

Posted by: mhskeide Oct 31 2009, 06:37 PM

Well, the Classified area is already running, so voting now is maybe unecessary

Posted by: newguyatgmc Oct 31 2009, 07:47 PM

Where is the classified section i never saw it....Man gmc is full of surprises.

Posted by: Bogdan Radovic Oct 31 2009, 08:40 PM

Here is the link to the classifieds section:
http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_forum/index.php?showforum=84