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Posted by: fatb0t Dec 30 2007, 06:42 AM

Well, I built a brand new PC over the summer and loaded it with Windows Vista Ultimate 64 Bit. Big mistake, Pro tools didn't work, my M Audio 410 fireware recording interface wouldn't work, my line6 pod wouldn't interface with it, countless other software tools I took for granted wouldn't work on this OS.

Well, I kept it for a few months, the reason? Direct X 10, I thought this was the holy grail for video games. I got Call of Duty 4 and Crysis thinking my mind was going to be blown. I go over to my friends house who's running Win Xp, SAME DIFFERENCE. Direct X 10 makes no difference whatsoever.

My Vista install dual booted with Win Xp pro, my PC has crashed and needed a reload 3 times since August, can you believe that?

I've reached a breaking point - it's over, I don't care I wasted 250 bucks, I'm downgrading to Windows Xp Pro 32 bit. What's worse is my Vista key that was printed on my PC case has like fallen off because I spilt beer on it, so I can never go back. Oh well, I'm not missing anything.

Anyone else hate Windows Vista or love it?

Posted by: FretDancer69 Dec 30 2007, 06:52 AM

well my new laptop came with Vista and i find it really cool, im happy with it, i didnt expect much so its good for me.

Posted by: swingline Dec 30 2007, 07:15 AM

There is some feature I like but it, in essence, turns a computer into a bug box. I have XP with no intent to "upgrade" unless there is something that changes my mind.

P.S. I am in no way trying to offend, if you like Vista then good for you.

Posted by: kahall Dec 30 2007, 07:21 AM

very happy with XP here, will not upgrade until I have to. I have a laptop with Vista Home Holy Grail of Ultimate Awesomeness version installed and I really don't see the big deal. Takes 2 gig of Ram just to run at a decent clip.

Posted by: Tomy Jeon Dec 30 2007, 07:33 AM

Vista is cool, but Microsoft did go over the top trying to make it look modern. Are you sure it's not your computer? Maybe your RAM is too small. Not sure. I'm not a computer expert

Posted by: RobM Dec 30 2007, 07:36 AM

Vista is great on a computer that is built to use it, but put it on an older computer running all kinds of different programs including shareware and freeware programs and it will crap out every time, reason is the Drivers, or should I say the lack of them! Not many companies decided to go ahead and make drivers for the release of Vista and the longer it takes Microsoft to get it right the longer it's going to be before it's the main stream OS used world wide.

My guess is that Microsoft is going to patch it a few more times and if that don't get it working right then they will roll it back and taking the best parts from it that will work with an XP Pro base and make a happy medium OS that works with all of the current drivers.

Hard part will be making a patch that rolls back current vista owners to the rolled back version they will be selling in the future, I'm not even sure that will be possible considering the different architecture and other differences between Vista and XP.

Posted by: ActiveX Dec 30 2007, 07:59 AM

I don't use Vista personally, I use XP, but I'm currently working in the Quality Assurance Department for a software/internet company, and I have to test our software in both Vista and XP. Vista is a pain in the ass, way too many incompatibility problems, something is always screwed up.

Posted by: swingline Dec 30 2007, 08:09 AM

Thats true, before most things carried over. If it worked on Windows 95 it probably would work on 98, if it worked on 98 iit would probably work on 2000/ME/XP. Vista on the other hand, not way to much transfers especially if it was created a few years ago.

Posted by: mattacuk Dec 30 2007, 10:45 AM

I use XP, ive tweeked it to the extreme and its solid, reliable an fast. My nepehew got a laptop for christmas and he asked me why I hadnt upgraded, of course I told him that most of my applications and devices wouldnt work with it correctly and that i might consider it once XP has been phased out completely

Posted by: Pavel Dec 30 2007, 11:25 AM

Running XP here and i am not planning on going to Vista as i have all the software sorted out and running on XP and i am expecting loads of problems going to Vista, especially the compatibility with my recording software and hardware.

I used Vista in university, i used it on my friend's laptop and it's actually a huge resource eater. All they improved was great graphic design and support for more RAM oh and dual core processors but that's all they did.

Too many cons, not enough pros.

Posted by: Vinod Dec 30 2007, 11:43 AM

I was looking forward to a new OS since 2005/2006
Its name was Longhorn first.
Then appeared as Vista.
I have used it in a laptop.no probem exellent Graphics,
But the major issue is the compatibility problem.
So I will stay with (fast) XP

Posted by: mattacuk Dec 30 2007, 12:03 PM

There is no reason to upgrade from XP, its a good OS and you can make it look as good as Vista quite easliy

Posted by: Milenkovic Ivan Dec 30 2007, 12:09 PM

This kind of stuff is very normal.. and Microsoft pretty much is used to develop new buggy products that need few years of development even when they come on shelves in stores - nothing new on Vista. I worked extensively on all their operating systems ever since the 3.11 and always the same thing. Actually it is getting worse with each new version because the software is getting more complicated in time.

I use XP SP2 and planning to meet with Vista maybe next year, maybe the year after. Thats reality for me.

Posted by: DeepRoots Dec 30 2007, 12:13 PM

agreed, or....you could make it waay cooler...

http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb308/Jordp/orange.jpg
(that desktop menu comes up when i rightclick- cool me thinks...not to mention all the cool animations the windows can do...)

im using windowblinds and it completly transforms xp- why upgrade ?!?

Posted by: mattacuk Dec 30 2007, 12:15 PM

Hey I like that, windows blinds is a great tool!

Posted by: Dejan Dec 30 2007, 12:28 PM

I'm looking to buy a laptop, but it's hard to find a new one without Vista

A friend of mine is working in a computer shop and says that almost all people who buy a laptop with Vista, returned it to install XP, but when you install XP on such laptop there are problems with drivers

I guess I'll have to go for a second hand one

Posted by: botoxfox Dec 30 2007, 12:29 PM

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Posted by: Freddie Fourfingers Dec 30 2007, 12:29 PM

My wife bought a new desktop to replace the Gateway that took a dirt nap.
It came with Vista on it and it's a pain in the butt.

I'm not trying to knock research and development, but sometimes I think that "new" things come out just to get people to spend gobs of money. Eventually, new programs will come out that will ONLY run in Vista so you HAVE to upgrade...things like that. Same with BlueRay, whatever the heck that is....how "sharp" do you really need a video to be?

But hey, progress is good in general...I just hate marketing and advertising gimmicks.
I'm the guy that didn't buy a CD player until you couldn't buy vinyl in stores anymore!!

Posted by: Muris Dec 30 2007, 12:39 PM

Happy XP user here,heard some nasty things about Vista
so I'm gonna stay on same OS for a while I guess

Posted by: mattacuk Dec 30 2007, 01:00 PM

The old saying rings true, if it aint broke, dont fix it !!

Posted by: Milenkovic Ivan Dec 30 2007, 01:00 PM

Hey Dejan my girlfriend had similar issues, she bought a cheap Amilo L1705 Laptop. It is decent, but the drivers only exist for Vista, adn the reason because it is so cheap is because they didn't gave me any Vista in the store But I really didn't need any... Installed XP and bought XP drivers on the net for a 9.99e - problem solved

Posted by: The Uncreator Dec 30 2007, 01:32 PM

I use XP Service Pack 2, its runs flawlessly with all programs, ive used Vista before, its alright, it seemed quite "buggy" and full of glitches, that was quite some time ago though, maybe its changed.

Posted by: Andrew Cockburn Dec 30 2007, 03:04 PM

I'd like to upgrade at some point, if only for the 64 bit RAM support - you always need more RAM when you are recording using samples, XP tops out at 4Mb and it aint enough


However, I am not going to put up with the upgrade pain until I know things have settled down on the Vista side - maybe by the time SP1 comes out - we'll see ...

Posted by: fatb0t Dec 30 2007, 05:28 PM

Well Andrew you'll be mighty disappionted because none of your recording software is compatiable with Vista probably.


I can't believe they released this as a finished tested product, MS is horrible.

Posted by: Bondy Dec 30 2007, 05:36 PM

Do not use vista its rubbish alright for browsing the internet as soon as u start gaming or using programmes it goes belly up i have just got rid and spent the hole day installing xp again it was crashing on me all the time it did it 6 times in a row on sat if your running sli it wont work on vista just a little warning for all the gamers out there wait till at least the service pack comes out before buying

Posted by: botoxfox Dec 30 2007, 06:03 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punctuation

Posted by: Bondy Dec 30 2007, 06:05 PM

Sorry mr Fox

Posted by: Andrew Cockburn Dec 30 2007, 08:20 PM

Hmmm. Punctuation is it???

Finally, we are: seeing; signs. of the?? follow up ... to the - great "definitely" campaign ;:"''

Posted by: Kristofer Dahl Dec 30 2007, 11:00 PM

I would find a topic covering the things that actually work with Vista really useful. So we can predict exactly how painful the switch will be!

Posted by: Hisham Dec 30 2007, 11:06 PM

i think vista will work good if you upgrad all the programs as well also you need minimum 1024 of rams to work good and recomended 2048
of rams

Posted by: Toni Suominen Dec 30 2007, 11:16 PM

Well, I just bought a new computer with 2gb of RAM and a E6750 Intel Dual Core processor, and Vista works pretty smoothly on this system.

I think the main reason why people hate Vista so much, is that they try to run it on an older system. Vista just needs a little more processing power, and with an older PC, it just doesn't run very smoothly.

Posted by: Pavel Dec 31 2007, 01:44 AM

It's not about the power of computer and the actual pure Vista performance. The problem is all-round compatibility and support for all the software and hardware. We don't only use OS, right? We use tons of software and hardware so if OS doesn't have support for it than i don't care about that OS

Posted by: FretDancer69 Dec 31 2007, 01:49 AM

yeah i think that too

Posted by: botoxfox Dec 31 2007, 10:33 AM

Brace yourselves!


Nah, not really, I just couldn't resist. I was pretty pleased with my "definitely" campaign however, but some people just don't wanna listen. (coughFretDancer69cough)

Now here's an idea for you Andrew: How bout rewriting all your theory lessons without punctuation? I'm sure that would be a smashing hit!

Posted by: Andrew Cockburn Dec 31 2007, 02:00 PM

Cool - they'd be even more incomprehensible - I'll get right on it

Posted by: tonymiro Jan 1 2008, 12:14 PM

+1 with Pavel.

As far as music hardware - particularly audio cards - goes Vista is a major issue for legacy products. MS in their infinite wisdom decide to use new audio driver/s in Vista that are different right down to the call sub routines at kernal level. This causes a whole host of issues with legacy audio cards - and that pretty much means all the audio cards currently available. Also not helped because MS haven't given the audio card makers a full map of the kernal. Most of these issues will be bug fixed by the audio card makers over time but MS could have made it a whole lot easier and faster.

FWIW I've always found that MS o/s are fine round about the service pack 2 release. (XP was a pain initially but righted itself at SP2. ) I'm on XP sp2 on my pcs - as is my wife. My daughter has Win 2000 though on her pc. I've no intention of upgrading to Vista until at least sp 1 is out for a while. I just recently specc'ed a new pc for my wife with XP - refused the Vista 'upgrade'.

For those of you with Vista who might be having problems the best I can suggest is to monitor the web sites/forums of your hard and software and watch for hot fixes as they are released.

Cheers,
Tony

Posted by: Jakub Luptovec Jan 2 2008, 03:32 PM

Pls add Linux or directly Ubuntu into the list of systems:-P I use XP only for Guitar pro and for Counter-strike, when I need to chill out. Otherwise, I am using Ubuntu 7.10:)
And I am pretty happy with that:)

Posted by: Tomy Jeon Jan 2 2008, 07:57 PM

I think Microsoft don't have any more ideas for new products for XP. That's why they invented Vista. To make more money. Another way to get consumers consumin'.

I know a new product! Something like Garage Band except on XP!

Posted by: mattacuk Jan 2 2008, 08:22 PM

XP all the way for me !! (9 out of 10 cats prefer it)

Posted by: FretDancer69 Jan 2 2008, 08:36 PM

Ubuntu is really good, ive tried it before, its completely free and its a really good OS.

Posted by: Andrew Cockburn Jan 2 2008, 09:30 PM

Yes, but what about fish?

Posted by: Jakub Luptovec Jan 2 2008, 10:58 PM

on vista: I dont have anything to put Vista on high end PCs.. but they put it even on the low cost budgets - I see no reason to do that - It wont work properly, so why do they do it? Because nobody wants it.. If you have 2000$ worth PC (anyway.. who would buy a PC at this price? I would buy a Mac rather..) then use Vista.. but it will take you way too many system power... There really is no reason, if we not count the M$'s economy.., to install Vista on slow PC..

Or just throw windows to recycle bin and go for Ubuntu:)

2Fretdance - yea it is great, better looking than vista, if you play with it (I myself have a cube like desktop, with which i can rotate, liquid windows etc etc..) The only reason, why I use XP is Guitar pro, which runs badly in WINE:(

Posted by: mattacuk Jan 2 2008, 10:59 PM

My fish use Oranda XP It is a very special operating system designed purley for fish in mind. It has an in built function useing Scales

Posted by: Andrew Cockburn Jan 2 2008, 11:57 PM

I guess I asked for that

Posted by: Smikey2006 Jan 3 2008, 04:44 AM

Linux..... .. although it does scare me

Posted by: fkalich Jan 3 2008, 05:02 AM

wise. operating systems are rather mature items. there is so little added that means a rat's ass. I mean, what more can you do with an operating system? Then again, some people see lot of value in the various rat asses that are served up to the consumer as necessities of life.

Evilsoft will keep wheeling them out, profits. In fact, to me they have just been making them harder to use, designed for the mentally challanged. I think most people are not that stupid, operating systems need not be designed for those of us who are the offspring of the village idiot and the TV weathergirl.

Posted by: Tomy Jeon Jan 3 2008, 07:15 AM

No offence but... AWFUL PUN!

Posted by: mattacuk Jan 3 2008, 09:52 AM

Yes I know, it was especially for Andrew

Posted by: Freddie Fourfingers Jan 3 2008, 10:21 AM

Right on! Funny how it all becomes SO DANG NECESSARY to computers in such a short time.....you HAVE to have it!

Posted by: mattacuk Jan 3 2008, 10:26 AM

Its all a money machine for sure. I have been led to belive by the industy I need a brand spanking new 64-bit CPU with all the hardware that comes with it too....... Only I dont !!

I built my PC 3 years ago and as it stands today its alot faster than some of the rubbish you can buy down PC world

Posted by: Tank Jan 3 2008, 10:26 AM

I switched to mac last year, partly because of Vista. I'd been given the loan of a laptop with Vista on it, but when I tried to load any music drivers onto it, I was bombarded with questions and warnings. It was also poor on searches and file saves. I presume they've fixed these (I had an early copy), but it wasn't for me.

It was a bit of a headache moving (as I'm pretty handy with getting my hand under the hood of windows) and there are still some things about the mac that feel "left out in the cold". But when I start up a music project in Garage Band or Logic, there are no issues, no glitches. Just gets on with the job. I think I'd be screaming at the screen if I was using Vista.

Posted by: Hemlok Jan 3 2008, 10:32 AM

I chose IT SUCKS because I have not tried vista... it doesn't let me vote if I leave that section blank. Not that it really matters its just a poll.

Posted by: mattacuk Jan 3 2008, 10:41 AM

Long live the Amiga !!!

Posted by: Toni Suominen Jan 3 2008, 02:54 PM

yeah, and commodore 64!!

Posted by: Jakub Luptovec Jan 3 2008, 07:50 PM

Sega Mega drive anyone?:-D Good ol' Sonic :-P

Btw. There is still no linux/ubuntu option in those OS question:-P

Posted by: mattacuk Jan 3 2008, 08:20 PM

yes

Jokeing aside, the Commodore Amiga age was when operating systems and hardware worked for YOU ! You didnt work for it. These systems went on for years with fantastic software always being squeezed out of its hardware. Even today people still use Amiga 1200 tower systems to good effect!

Posted by: Tomy Jeon Jan 3 2008, 08:43 PM

You built it??? But how?

Posted by: Owen Jan 3 2008, 09:50 PM

You buy all the right parts and slot them together mate, its a rather complicated jigsaw but its not much more than that, its not like Matt had to individually solder all the silicon parts on to his graphics card individually - no, that would take ages

Normally most of the trouble is trying to get parts that you know are compatible with each other and then getting them to work properly - in the building of more complicated systems theres generally a couple of daft mistakes one can make that means the whole thing falls on its head but in general PC's are very easy to make and maitain.

These days of course, sometimes Its cheaper to buy a brand name system for your money but some people dont find them just as reliable and like to make their own because then they know exactly what goes in them.

Posted by: mattacuk Jan 3 2008, 09:52 PM

Owen got it in one

I hand select each part so it is very high quality, make sure everything is compatible right down to the ram timeings and fit it together - this was my pcs usually last many years

Posted by: Freebird Jan 3 2008, 09:59 PM

Hey it's not difficult!
But you have to know what is compatible with what...
Basically you choose a motherboard with what you'd like to put on it and then buy the remaining parts (processor, RAM, hard disks, graphics card, sound card, power supply, fans, case etc.) and maybe recycle some from your old pc. But you must know what is compatible! So if you bought a PCI-express motherboard you need PCI-express audio card and video card and not PCI and AGP, plus you may need SATA hard disks and not IDE, DDR-2 RAM not DDR, special connectors on your power supply etc.You need to consider a lot of stuff
Anyway I built my PC in 2001 and I haven't upgraded it since apart from RAM, and I could still play all the recent games, but now new pixel shaders are out and I need new hardware damn DirectX10.

Back on topic: XP is way better than Vista. It is 20% faster at anything, uses less RAM, is more old and extremely more supported (everything will run on it now), and basically there isn't anything new in Vista, apart from cute 3D desktop which they did to sell video cards to people who don't videogame (copied partly from Mac) and User Account Control which is copied from Linux and it's so bad that it must be disabled immediately if you don't want to go mad!

By the way, if your computer is slow, maybe it isn't old: it's clogged! Check what starts up with the system, check the services (who needs NetBIOS helper service?? Disable!! ) and pull down the number the tasks the computer has. If the computer's still slow and error-prone, consider reinstalling freshly Probably worst defect of Windows... you need to reinstall every 6 months - 1 year if you don't want to lose your mind

Plus Service pack 3 has come out for XP and takes away the performance hinderances that Service pack 2 introduced 1 more for XP

Posted by: mattacuk Jan 3 2008, 10:02 PM

Wow, Freebird you typed everything I couldnt be bothered too !! Good job!

Posted by: Freebird Jan 3 2008, 11:12 PM

LOL thanks
But it took its time and probably you explained it more effectively

Posted by: thefireball May 22 2010, 03:23 AM

now that it is 2010: windows 7 has been born into our world. but i voted for vista. i like it.

Posted by: Praetorian May 22 2010, 04:40 AM

I upgraded to Windows 7 recently and LOVE it!

Posted by: Bogdan Radovic May 22 2010, 08:58 PM

We have been bombarded with new hardware and software but where is it going :

Posted by: Wabba May 22 2010, 09:32 PM

Not meant to offend anyone, BUT I HATE VISTA!!!
I mean, sure, there's improvements in graphics, but then, well, that's pretty much about it. Everything in Vista is harder to operate, it's heavier than XP, and sometimes the windows explorer crashes for no reason.. ;}

Example: One day my internet was down, and what did windows do? It gave me and error code and said "put this code into our website to see what's wrong" -.-

Posted by: Staffy May 22 2010, 10:31 PM

You can make behave exactly as XP, its just a matter of settings..... I dont think Vista is bad, Im running SP2 and never had any big issues.. But in true Microsoft tradition, an OS is never stable until the second servicepack.

//Staffay

Posted by: jafomatic May 22 2010, 11:49 PM

I didn't really experience any of the vista problems for the 12-14 months that I used it. I've got win7 here now and it's also not that much different either. My understanding was that 7 is simply vista renamed and carrying a few updates to its UI.

Despite the similarity, focus groups insisted that they found windows 7 to solve all the "vista problems" that they claimed to have.

Neither seem any better or worse than any other OS. I suppose there are a few new conveniences, and I guess people must be experiencing problems with them as well.

I haven't had any bad experiences yet.

Posted by: Joruus May 23 2010, 08:41 AM

Way too old topic... but have to say i love Vista compared to xp

Sure things are in different places but thats no problem if you take some time to get used to it, i now like how things are located..
64bit incompatebility when vista was new wasnt vistas fault but that of driver makers + you didnt have to get the 64bits vista either.

only thing wrong with vista is how much power of your computer it takes, i heared windows 7 is much better on that, id love to try it sometime


An example why i love vista far more then xp is about its stability (wich it does have! dont know why people complain about that)
in xp, games would crash so bad that only thing to do was using the hard power-off button, wich offcourse isnt very nice for your pc.
in Vista (IF games crash, wich seems to be far more rare to me) ctrl-alt-delete Always works so you can do a friendly game-close or restart.

Posted by: Mrblomme May 23 2010, 10:56 AM

I've bought a macbookpro in November and I never want back to windows... I really love it!