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Apr 13 2014, 06:10 PM
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hey guys, I stumbled upon this band and i've noticed there's a perticular sound these guys have that idk how to describe, i've found a few other guitarist using this sound, idk if it's perticular modes or scales or chords... but i've enjoyed it because it doesn't sound as usual as most metal does. I'm completely clueless as to what they're doing in theory but are they using 7th chords? is that how they get that sound? for example in the solo in the intro the fast part at 22 seconds, i've heard that a lot but have no idea what's going on there lol. i'm mostly asking becasue i want to expand my knowledge and maybe create this kind of sound in certain parts of songs but i have not a clue or direction lol
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Apr 13 2014, 06:15 PM
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That's just the Rick Graham effect. Any song he's in automatically becomes awesome from one end to the other!
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Apr 14 2014, 03:40 PM
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Well, they usually include more modal stuff in their songs compared with other metal bands. I would call this stuff, fusion metal so if you explore our fusion lessons at gmc, you will learn a lot of ideas that are applied here. However, things are even simpler in this song. The first section is in D major scale, and the lead guitarist makes the difference with his phrasing which shows strong improvisation skills, since he moves with the chords using arpeggios, remarking notes like the 7th of each chords and also some 9ths to give the overall solo a very fresh sound. Metal is usually composed using minor tonalities, so the use of major, with the addition of some 7ths and 9ths in the chord progression and soloing give this a very original sound.
There is also one moment where the backing chord is E minor and the played keeps on A note (the fourth), and the effect is a beautiful tension. Just play this first two chords and you will get the feel: Dmaj7 - Dsus2 In the part that you marked, I think that he is playing B pentatonic minor scale, played using a 3 notes per string shape and skipping strings. The notes of this pentatonic are part of the overall tonality but using just the notes belonging to that penta scale give this a modal sound. The chord sounding at that moment is Em. Experiment with this idea and check this lesson: https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/solo-guit...itution-lesson/ This post has been edited by Gabriel Leopardi: Apr 16 2014, 02:46 PM -------------------- My lessons
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Apr 14 2014, 11:31 PM
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QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Apr 14 2014, 02:40 PM)  Well, they are using more modal stuff in this song compared with other metal bands. I would call this stuff, fusion metal so if you explore our fusion lessons at gmc, you will learn a lot of ideas that are applied here. The first section is in D major scale, and the lead guitarist makes the difference with his phrasing which shows strong improvisation skills, since he moves with the chords using arpeggios, remarking notes like the 7th of each chords and also some 9ths to give the overall solo a very fresh sound. Metal is usually composed using minor tonalities, so the use of major, with the addition of some 7ths and 9ths in the chord progression and soloing give this a very original sound. There is also one moment where the backing chord is E minor and the played keeps on A note (the fourth), and the effect is a beautiful tension. Just play this first two chords and you will get the feel: Dmaj7 - Dsus2 In the part that you marked, I think that he is playing B pentatonic minor scale, played using a 3 notes per string shape and skipping strings. The notes of this pentatonic are part of the overall tonality but using just the notes belonging to that penta scale give this a modal sound. The chord sounding at that moment is Em. Experiment with this idea and check this lesson: https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/solo-guit...itution-lesson/ thanks man, this helped a lot, i'm still getting used to using 7ths and 9ths in my soloing, it seems really difficult for me to adapt to! but i really wan to start to get used to it.. is there anything you'd suggest? I understand the concept of what they are, but not how to apply it. |
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Apr 15 2014, 03:09 PM
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QUOTE (enlo22 @ Apr 15 2014, 10:49 AM) hey cosmin! what does play against it mean? and when you said: "- play every note against C - in a harmonic (simultaneous) or melodic (consecutive) approach" what do you mean by harmonic or melodic? By "against" I think that he means that you record the chord or note and play over it. I recommend you to give a try to this lessons: https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_fo...showtopic=48915 -------------------- My lessons
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Apr 15 2014, 03:45 PM
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Many of those solos are not related to jazz at all. It more about the way You lead Your melody, how Your articulate and how You use the rhythm
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Apr 15 2014, 04:08 PM
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I like that!
Everything he's playing is in the D major scale: D E F# G A B C#. A lot of the melody is even simpler - D maj pentatonic: D E F# A B. Or, B minor penta as Gab said. *He hits C# a lot so that takes it out of the pure penta. He avoids the G natural until about 2:35 (break in the main harmony). *The 4th, G can be tough to negotiate when your key is mostly a major, major 7th, major 9th or add 9 type sound. His technique is great and his sense of melody and 'time' is really nice too. He ends the tune on a Bm chord (relative minor of D major). The major scale is awesome when you know how to use it ... ask Mozart. This post has been edited by klasaine: Apr 15 2014, 04:22 PM -------------------- - Ken Lasaine
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Apr 16 2014, 08:46 AM
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QUOTE (Darius Wave @ Apr 16 2014, 12:34 AM) So Ken has just confirmed. No need to know "tons of weird scales". Try to find patterns (repeatable behaviors). Even some advanced jazz solos have some of those  Yeah, in this particular case the 'collection of notes' is simple but that doesn't negate how well he plays them and how creative he is with the collection. *Jazz uses tons of 'patterns' and sequences, lots of major scales and lots of pentatonic scales (and patterns). They're just used in very different ways from the way most rockers (even metal and prog guys) use them. But that's another topic for another thread and there's a bunch of good lessons from some great instructors here on jazz and fusion. -------------------- - Ken Lasaine
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