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Oct 11 2015, 08:39 PM
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Hello everyone, I'm a little bit stuck. I made THIS piece using a plugin that I know longer have. Well I have it but it only works with the hardware that I am selling.
I want to develop this track and I really like the almost woodwind sound of it but I can't get it now  Below are the settings that the software had for the sound of the melody.  Below is a Soundcloud of the closest I can get and then below that are the new settings in the new software. It's still Boss but has more options. It would be great if someone could point me in the right direction. https://soundcloud.com/gmcphil-1/new-1 Pre-amp settings:   FX settings:  Reverb settings: http://i353.photobucket.com/albums/r394/Ph...zpsrot6yuqy.jpg Chorus settings:  EQ settings:   Delay settings:  Cheers and thanks for taking the time to read this message.  Phil -------------------- SEE MY GMC CERTIFICATE  “Success is not obtained overnight. It comes in instalments; you get a little bit today, a little bit tomorrow until the whole package is given out. The day you procrastinate, you lose that day's success.” Israelmore Ayivor |
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Oct 12 2015, 01:45 AM
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Sounds pretty similar and works for me
What don't you like about it? |
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Oct 12 2015, 12:56 PM
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Thank you gentlemen.
I don't have the original as a separate rhythm and solo. It's from the days when I was getting used to recording. I can sort the rhythm track as it was fairly clean with chorus. What I don't like about the new sound is its lack of breath, the original has an almost woodwind sound to it at the start of each note of you know what I mean. All I did was use a preset from the original software and remove the overdrive. The guitar was a PRS 7 string. I have some Tannoy Reveal 402 now and can hear more and agree about the low register. I know they aren't reference standard monitors but better than the gaming speakers I had when I first did this track. I still have the hardware (it's on eBay at the moment) so I could record a few notes with that original patch and some more with the new patch and dry. I wanted to re record it much longer for my mom. She has trouble sleeping and relaxing and, if you read in the thread, one of our members used that piece to relax after work so I thought a longer version might help my mom. Cheers Phil This post has been edited by Phil66: Oct 12 2015, 01:03 PM -------------------- SEE MY GMC CERTIFICATE “Success is not obtained overnight. It comes in instalments; you get a little bit today, a little bit tomorrow until the whole package is given out. The day you procrastinate, you lose that day's success.” Israelmore Ayivor |
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Oct 12 2015, 08:10 PM
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Thanks for your help guys,
I've recorded a scale on old equipment and new equipment including a "dry" signal on the new equipment and put them below as .wav files. Maybe this will be a better way of hearing the differences. I recorded the scale using long notes and shorter notes in each case. Thanks for your time looking at this for me, I really appreciate it Original equipment/patch. [attachment=43153:Original.wav] New equipment/patch. [attachment=43154:New.wav] Dry on new equipment. 
Dry.wav ( 9.04MB )
Number of downloads: 79Both patches were created in Boss software and both pieces of hardware have a COSM chip in them. The new one is the desktop version of the Boss GT-100 called the GT-001. The old one was just some software and chip based on the ME floor multi effects. I really hope you can point me in the right direction. It's not so much the tonal quality but the way each note fades in on the original, almost like a volume swell. Cheers and thank you again. Phil -------------------- SEE MY GMC CERTIFICATE “Success is not obtained overnight. It comes in instalments; you get a little bit today, a little bit tomorrow until the whole package is given out. The day you procrastinate, you lose that day's success.” Israelmore Ayivor |
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Oct 14 2015, 10:13 PM
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QUOTE (Darius Wave @ Oct 14 2015, 09:53 PM)  I made a comparison and there are a few things you could do. Good news is that the tools you've used for original tone are not so rare and still in use for modern devices. Main difference is - chorus rate. New tone chorus rate is way too high comparing to previous one. It sound almost liek tremolo effect rather than the chorus. It could be the cause of "less sustain" feeling. Try to set chorus rate and depth to a 50% it's usually most common setting. Delay - old boss deices had quite good analog delay section. It was giving some additional surround effect while not being just a precise reapeat of what you've played. Try to set up your delay for around 30-50% mix and 500 ms delay time. You need to try out feddback parameter and match it the way you like for particular part being played. I have owned old Boss ME-5 for years. As far as I know it was a first multi-fx made by boss. Distortion section was weak but anything else from compression through mod to echo section was perfect for me. Still miss boss chorus. G-major I use those days ain't even close to it in case of chorus quality. Thanks Darius, I really appreciate your help. I'll try those settings tomorrow and make a recording of the scale again. Cheers buddy -------------------- SEE MY GMC CERTIFICATE “Success is not obtained overnight. It comes in instalments; you get a little bit today, a little bit tomorrow until the whole package is given out. The day you procrastinate, you lose that day's success.” Israelmore Ayivor |
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Oct 15 2015, 09:07 PM
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Ok, it's getting closer all the time, thanks for your guidance Darius
. It still isn't quite as "breathy" at the start of each note as the original, the original had qualities like a bassoon being played on the lower notes, this is the closest thing I can use to describe it. It just recorded this totally improvised just to get a feel for the sound. The changes are below the sound cloud.Thank you again for your help mate, it really is appreciated. https://soundcloud.com/gmcphil-1/moms-relaxation     -------------------- SEE MY GMC CERTIFICATE “Success is not obtained overnight. It comes in instalments; you get a little bit today, a little bit tomorrow until the whole package is given out. The day you procrastinate, you lose that day's success.” Israelmore Ayivor |
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Oct 16 2015, 11:34 AM
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Thanks Darius.
That's the term, "volume swell". I'll give that a go later on. There is so much to this fx setting. Maybe we could have a workshop a month dedicated to each of the most popular effects and their most common functions and then how to utilise them together. I've never understood compressors and limiters so this should help me understand a little more. I didn't want to put this into your "Hone Your Tone" thread as I didn't think it was general enough, too specific I thought, but, maybe it would have been good in there because I have learnt quite a bit about how the effects interact. Thanks buddy Update, Ok I've had another go tonight. Trouble is I only have sustain, attack, tone and level on my compressors. I have selected the "fat" compressor with all pots sets to 50 except tone which is at 0. I also have Boss Comp, Hi Band, Lite, D-Comp, Orange, Mild and Stereo but the "fat" sounded the best to my ears. I've also adjusted the chorus a little. The original sounds to have a kind of "shimmer" to it that I can't get on this new software at the moment. It sounds kind of flat and a little lifeless to me. https://soundcloud.com/gmcphil-1/moms-relaxation-ii Cheers Darius. This post has been edited by Phil66: Oct 16 2015, 09:08 PM -------------------- SEE MY GMC CERTIFICATE “Success is not obtained overnight. It comes in instalments; you get a little bit today, a little bit tomorrow until the whole package is given out. The day you procrastinate, you lose that day's success.” Israelmore Ayivor |
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Oct 19 2015, 10:01 PM
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Thanks Darius.
I feel I am really close with that last take. At 0:22 you can had the pick attack the string and the whole thing needs some more life, maybe a touch more chorus?? I think it I hadn't done the original I might be happy with this Cheers -------------------- SEE MY GMC CERTIFICATE “Success is not obtained overnight. It comes in instalments; you get a little bit today, a little bit tomorrow until the whole package is given out. The day you procrastinate, you lose that day's success.” Israelmore Ayivor |
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