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Posted by: superize Oct 9 2013, 11:02 AM

I Think we need a thread for this lesson so that people who are working on it can share their progress.

I have laerned 20 parts so far and are practising them togheter at 115 bbm. I am having very big problmes with the sweep picking in the dragonforce part. It is very fast and the 5 string thing is so hard to play even at a slower tempo so i am working on that seperatly.

Anybody else working on this?

Posted by: superize Oct 9 2013, 05:25 PM

This is a recording of the 23 first bands played at 125 bpm

https://soundcloud.com/isac-lundqvist/power-metal-bands-125-bpm

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Oct 9 2013, 05:41 PM

Hi Superize!! It's has been a great idea to start this thread!! I will monitoring this one all the time to give feedback and suggestions to help you master this lesson.

I checked your take at Soundcloud and I must say that you are doing a very good job. You've already learnt a lot of sections! Well done!! I can notice that Sweep Picking licks (Rhapsody & Dragonforce) are giving you some trouble and that's normal because these are them trickier parts. You definitely have to isolate both parts and work on them over metronome.

I don't find other important issues in the take, just this details:

- Blind Guardian: There are some differences in the melody's rhythm.
-Grave Digger: You are playing the "bagpipes" melodies with a different rhythm.
-Primal Fear: The last fast lick needs some adjustment.
-Epica: There is one wrong note at 03:55 and 04:02.
-Avantasia: The rhythm is different.
-Firewind: The AP pattern needs some adjustment.
-Yngwie Malmsteen: Be careful with the timing of the first lick.


That's all, keep on the hard work!

Posted by: superize Oct 9 2013, 05:59 PM

Thanks for all your inputs Gabriel. I know i still got alot of work to do on most of the parts thats why i record myself so that i can hear them.

I really hope some more people will join this thread so that we can help each other out

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Oct 9 2013, 06:10 PM

Me too!! Who else is working on this one??

Posted by: Nava Oct 9 2013, 06:37 PM

I am amazed that you take this lesson Superize
All cred to you!!
Unfortunately, I cannont take this. First of all its hard and the second is that I have sooo many lessons to work on!
But I will follow this closely, cause power metal is one of the genres I love (if its good).
Best of luck to you though!
Sounds great btw

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Oct 10 2013, 11:57 PM

Hi Superize! As this is a practice thread I wanted to share with you a midi file of the backing track of this lesson. It includes drums, bass and all orquestal, synth and piano arrangements. You can use it for practising at different tempos, create loops for the trickier parts and also to see how I worked those arrangements.

 Power_Metal_Medley.mid ( 65.91K ) : 100

Posted by: superize Oct 13 2013, 05:38 PM

It seems that there is only piano in this midi.

As a Little update i have learned 30 parts of the lesson and i am trying to learn to connect them togheter. When i have learned all the parts i will start working on the things i have problem with and really focus on them.

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Oct 13 2013, 06:17 PM

Hi mate, this file need to be open with a daw. There you will have all the tracks separated and you can assign different instruments (ez drummer for drums, hallion for other instruments, even you can use your soundcard's midi synth) and you are also able to edit them, change tempo, tonality, and make loops. Does it make sense?





This sounds really good! The best would be to create a backing loop for the trickier parts like Rhapsody and Dragonforce and add both of them to your diary routine. That's why I was thinking that having the midi file would be good. You can export a loop of the backing at many tempos.

When is the new audio sample coming?

Posted by: superize Oct 14 2013, 06:19 AM

Yeah that make sense.

I might make a new audio sample tonight

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Oct 15 2013, 02:29 PM

Cool! Looking forward it!

Posted by: superize Oct 15 2013, 05:05 PM

Here it is

http://snd.sc/1bv7krQ

This is the full lesson played at 125 bpm. I skipped the sweep picking part in the Dragonforce lesson since i cant play that at all at this speed.

Its recorded in one take except for the last two bands since i fucked up pretty bad on thoose

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Oct 16 2013, 11:09 PM

Awesome job mate!! I think that most of the parts are sounding perfect now! You will have to start a strong Sweep Picking training if you want to master the Rhapsody an Dragonforce parts. I think that the other parts are ready for a faster tempo. Keep on the great job!

Posted by: superize Oct 23 2013, 06:07 AM

I have increased the tempo the 140 bpm.

The dragonforce sweep picking part i can play at about 80 bpm. its a very slow process

https://soundcloud.com/isac-lundqvist/power-metal-140-bpm

Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Oct 23 2013, 08:32 AM

Hey Ize and Gabe First off, congrats to Ize for the endeavor - if you master it, you are one hell of a player, mate

Now, I would like you guys to receive Opetholic in this thread as he is working on the lesson as well and he did a great job so far He doesn't know about this thread probably, so I recommended it to him. Here's his take:

http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_forum/index.php?act=attach&type=msg&id=34020

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Oct 23 2013, 02:05 PM

Cool to know that he is working on the lesson too!! The link is not working for me.



Hey mate! congrats on this take! except for those sweeps the other parts are sounding really good!! How many time a day are you practicing this one?

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Oct 23 2013, 02:47 PM

I found Opetholic's link!

https://soundcloud.com/opetholic/40-metal-bands-practice-115

Posted by: Bogdan Radovic Oct 23 2013, 02:49 PM

Isac - this is an epic journey!

I fully support you towards mastering this lesson. Your playing sounds very good for the most part. I especially like the fast riffing parts, your rhythm is very tight. Keep practicing by isolating problematic parts and please keep us updated here in the thread with your progress.

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Oct 23 2013, 03:17 PM

yeah! it's really cool to see that 2 GMCers are already working on this one! I hope to see more guys submitting takes here!

Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Oct 24 2013, 10:36 AM

I wrote him about this thread in a PM Let's hope he doesn't shy away and he will come over and talk about his progress!

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Oct 24 2013, 03:49 PM

yeah, he contacted me at the same time that you posted his links here so I've already given feedback to him via PM. He is doing a very good job, let's see if he joins us here.

Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Oct 25 2013, 09:18 AM

He has great AP technique indeed I'm trying to get him more on the articulation side as he could use some work to get it up to the level of his AP Let's see what he's going to say

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Oct 25 2013, 02:41 PM

Let's wait if he finally visit us here...

Posted by: Opetholic Oct 26 2013, 08:30 AM

Hey guys wow thanks for all the comments I am working on the lesson indeed. I will post my progress.. As Cosmin says I need to work on my articulation a lot! Also the sweeps

I will post here what I have so far one of these days..

Posted by: superize Oct 26 2013, 09:06 AM

Great to see that i am not alone working on this. How many parts have youe learned so far?

Posted by: Opetholic Oct 26 2013, 10:37 AM

So far I have learned 15 parts I am no where near the end yet..
Here is what I have so far
 40_metal_bands.mp3 ( 8.78MB ) : 87

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Oct 26 2013, 07:33 PM

yeah, there are some sections that need some more work but there are some others that are already sounding killer. I think that you should create loops with the trickier parts. I shared the midi file in this thread. If you open it with a Daw, you can assign the midi channels to drums, bass and orquestal intruments and create your own backing loops at every tempo.

PS: Check out the lead melody in Rage's part. It's a bit different.

Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Oct 27 2013, 04:05 PM

I will be around here too Watching and listening Mert and Ize, you are on the good path, so keep pushing! Hope you didn't mind I took the liberty of posting your take here, Mert

Posted by: Opetholic Oct 27 2013, 06:21 PM

Hey Cosmin, it is great that you stick around in this forum also Would be great to have your feedback.. And no, not at all, I am glad you posted here my take Thanks !!

Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Oct 28 2013, 07:54 AM

Anytime mate We'll keep in touch here regarding this lesson, so let me know when you post a new recording

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Oct 28 2013, 03:31 PM

I am here monitoring this one! Any news guys?

Posted by: Opetholic Oct 29 2013, 10:06 PM

Here is what I have so far. I play it at 145 bpm..
 40_metal_bands.mp3 ( 9.84MB ) : 97

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Oct 30 2013, 01:34 PM

Hi mate! This is great! You are getting closer to the main tempo!! The overall is sounding very well and I think that there are a few parts that need more work. Here some parts that I think have issues.

Stratovarius: Last lick - sync between both hands issues
Gamma Ray: first lick - sync between both hands issues
Rhapsody: Sweep Picking needs work
Dragonforce: Very close!!
Edguy: Some wrong notes
Rage: Last melody timing issues
Firewind: Timing issues

Posted by: Opetholic Oct 30 2013, 08:29 PM

Thanks for comments Gab!! I agree with them all. I will post something new this weekend with of course more bands worked out

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Oct 30 2013, 10:43 PM

Cool! Looking forward it!

Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Oct 31 2013, 09:55 AM

Mert - got an idea. Since you are close to nailing the parts, it could be a good idea to record over the original lesson and thus noticing where you still need to work This sort of comparison is always a good starting point to figure out tiny details

Posted by: Opetholic Nov 2 2013, 01:10 PM

Hey Cosmin, brilliant idea. I will do that while I am practicing it at full tempo
Ok here again at 145 bpm. This time there are more bands (25) but I messed up in this recording the last few
I have also practiced the lesson at full speed and I can play it but I will post that once I am done with all the bands.
Here we go
 40_metal_bands.mp3 ( 12.36MB ) : 85

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Nov 2 2013, 05:10 PM

Hi mate, I'm impressed of how fast you are adjusting this lesson. All the parts that I marked before are better now and even the trickier sections are getting very close. I agree with Cosmin about recording a version at tempo to find the real problems and work on them isolated.
Congrats on your great job!!

Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Nov 3 2013, 09:14 AM

Hehe great job mate - you are getting there fast! I am glad you like my idea and I'm curious to hear it in action - also glad you decided to share your progress in this thread and it's only a matter of practice till you get this one under your thumb. A lot of the stuff played in here is based on AP which as we all know, is your strong point!

Posted by: superize Nov 6 2013, 05:28 PM

Been a while since i last wrote in this thread so i thought i would give you an update on my progress.

I am mainly focusing on the sweep picking in the dragonforce part. I can play it at 100 bpm at the moment.

I am also trying to work on the trickier parts in the lesson so that i can play them better. Other then that its not much to tell.

Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Nov 7 2013, 08:12 AM

Hey Ize isolating the difficult parts and getting them up to speed as well as polishing the articulation elements present in the context is always a good approach Keep at it and let us know when it's good to go - maybe even record those parts exclusively?

Posted by: Opetholic Nov 10 2013, 03:30 PM

Ok here is my attempt at 150bpm. There are 39 bands covered and I messed up the last one as usual Other than that also there are mess ups here and there. I will learn the last section tomorrow and practice the whole thing at 150 bpm for the whole week and then next weekend I should post something better
 40_metal_bands.mp3 ( 18.13MB ) : 120

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Nov 11 2013, 02:13 AM

Hi mate! I got this one. It's great to see you working hard! I will give you feedback on 12th when I'm back home.

Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Nov 11 2013, 10:24 AM

Hey Mert

Gave things a listen and I honestly think that the real obstacle here is not the technical side of things, but the length of the whole thing - I noticed the hickups and I know you know them too But this is more of a mental challenge in my opinion, because things sound great in a proportion of 95%

It will probably take some time to bring this to perfection due to heavy focusing, but I think you are up to the challenge! Let's see what Gabe says

Posted by: Opetholic Nov 11 2013, 09:04 PM

Hey Cosmin,
Thanks for the thoughts you are absolutely right. The whole piece is so long, at some point it is almost impossible not to make a mistake But well we will see.. I learned the last section as well so now I can play the whole thing. I will practice this week and lets see how it is by the end of the week..

Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Nov 12 2013, 12:39 PM

Great mate Let's see a complete version and try to focus on anticipating the parts or you can even write down a structure that you can have in front of you while recording - something that will remind you of the places where you have to pay more attention..? I did that with the Pantera songs and at some point, I got it memorized and I didn't need he paper anymore

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Nov 12 2013, 04:34 PM

Hi mate! I could hear the whole thing now and I can say that I agree 100% with Cosmin. You don't seem to have important techniques limitations but there are parts that aren't tight and some wrong notes. I think that it's something that will disappear once you can anticipate the parts enough and the best way to do this would be to divide the whole thing in blocks... I was thinking on 3 big parts and loop them. That's how it worked for me. Once you are very familiar with each of the 3 blocks, it will be easier to play the whole thing.

That's my suggestion but you can keep on working on your way because you are getting good results and I think that you are getting closer and closer. Well done!!

Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Nov 13 2013, 12:07 PM

Now that we know Gabe thinks the same, it's clear that you are on the good way Keep at it and let us know

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Nov 13 2013, 01:34 PM

I wonder about Superize! It's been a while since he posted at this thread. I'll send him a PM to know about his progress.

hehe I missed this post while I was out. Great to hear from you mate. Keep us updated!!

Posted by: Opetholic Nov 16 2013, 11:56 AM

Ok here is another take. Still at 150 bpm and still far from perfect. I messed it up pretty badly in a couple of places in this take...I am able to play it at full tempo but I haven't recorded that yet. I also practice using Cosmin's suggestion, playing up to tempo along with Gabs original take. It is going fine.. I think in a month or so with practicing like I am now I should be ready for a rec take, fingers crossed
Here it is
 40_metal_bands.mp3 ( 19.24MB ) : 161

Posted by: Opetholic Nov 17 2013, 11:44 AM

Me again I decided to record it at full tempo this time. It is interesting but I find it easier to play it at 160bpm than 150bpm. Somehow 160bpm feels just right.. Anyway, here it is, my first take on full speed.
 40_metal_bands.mp3 ( 18.05MB ) : 62

Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Nov 17 2013, 05:36 PM

Holy c...p man This sounds great! Hehehe, I can barely spot mistakes, so in general, I think it's a great job - towards the middle, there was a portion which sounded a bit rigid, otherwise, not much to complain about

As stated before, this is not easy, as it's a lot of stuff to remember!

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Nov 17 2013, 06:48 PM

hehehe I'm impressed mate! You've reached the normal tempo of this and I'm feeling VERY proud!! There are some details to improve yet but you entered into the countdown to REC. The most notorius parts are the Sweeps in Rhapsody and Dragonforce so take these parts and practice them as a loop and keep on playing the whole thing every day. I'm sure that we will have a REC take soon.

I'm smiling while I listen to it again.

Posted by: Opetholic Nov 17 2013, 07:14 PM

Thanks Cosmin and Gab for the comments I have been practicing this hard, mainly because I really enjoy it. I also got to know so many bands due to this lesson whose names I have never heard of before. About the sweeps, it is really difficult. Sometimes I do them very well but most of the time not well. I am practicing. I will practice this coming week at full tempo and see what happens. Today was the first time I recorded at full speed.. I also feel like a REC take is coming soon

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Nov 17 2013, 07:53 PM

This sounds great mate. Thanks a lot for letting us follow this amazing journey of mastering this lesson. I would also try some practice at faster tempo, maybe this could make you feel even more comfortable with the normal tempo.

Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Nov 19 2013, 01:18 PM

Exactly! Gabe pointed out a technique which works wonders when you have to overcome a plateau in speed. If you can bump the tempo to 165 and play the whole thing - even with some mistakes. Back at 160 - things will appear a bit more relaxed Try it and let us know!

Posted by: Opetholic Nov 28 2013, 08:35 PM

Hey guys I couldn't practice last week so much but this week I am back on track again. Here is an update on how I am doing. It has random mess ups here and there again but I think they are getting less and less..
 40_metal_bands.mp3 ( 18.05MB ) : 61

Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Nov 29 2013, 02:50 PM

Hey Mert! Looks like you are slowly getting there I also think you know where the glitches are, so focus and anticipation are the only things which will make the difference here, because you can play this one

Now, another thing which I would like to suggest would be to focus on the longer notes as well - this is a technically challenging lesson, but there are sequences which feature lengthier note span where you should put as much effort as in the fast passages. I think we had this talk a while longer if I remember correctly and I will once again stress out the importance of being a balanced player. Playing fast and technical will not weigh much, if when you play a longer note you will sound shaky and not consistent. It is not the case for things to be THAT bad so don't worry, but I was just making sure that you haven't left this on the side

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Nov 29 2013, 03:25 PM

So awesome! You are getting closer every week. I must confess that as soon as I put played I thought that it was my version. You got the same tone, are you using my Pod Patch? You surely can note the technical issues that still appear on it it so it's not necessary to mark them. Just keep on practicing this one, and as I said previously, isolate the trickier parts to be able to play it as a loop and master them.

Can't wait to see this take at REC, it will be a very important event for GMC.

Posted by: Opetholic Nov 30 2013, 04:00 PM

Ok here is my first video From now on I will post my video takes here and once you guys think it is good enough to post in REC I will do that.. So, here we go.. Let me know what you think

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Dec 2 2013, 11:32 PM

Hi mate!! This is fantastic! It's awesome how close you are to master this one. I never thought that I was going to see this lesson at the REC anytime and I'm really happy that this will happen!!

Besides some obvious parts that need a bit of work (Rhapsody, Dragonforce, Iced Earth rhythm, Malmsteen, Galneryus) the overall just needs days of playing it to make it sound even smoother.

About your question: is it good enough to post in REC?

There are not takes good or bad for REC. The reason of REC is to let us monitor your progress, give feedback. There is a grade just to let you compare your own takes and own evolution. So feel free to post it there if you want specific feedback from different instructors!

and congratulations for your great job!

Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Dec 17 2013, 12:33 PM

Congrats once again Mert! I took a bit of time to watch the vid in the REC zone and I must say you are ambitious, hard working and very close to achieving your goal!

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Dec 24 2013, 01:11 PM

Anyone else working on this one? What about Superize? Any news?

Posted by: superize Dec 25 2013, 07:19 PM

At the moment i am not working on this that much.

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Dec 26 2013, 08:16 PM

What happened? Not too much time?

Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Dec 26 2013, 11:20 PM

I think Ize was busy with his band and that's why he put the 40 Metal Bands on the waiting line a bit - am I right?

Posted by: superize Dec 27 2013, 06:21 PM

I got sick and tired of not beeing able to play the Dragonforce sweep picking part. Patiance is not one of my strong sides.

I am working on other things instead

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Dec 27 2013, 06:45 PM

Ah ok, so it's just one part. I would keep only that section in your diary routine (playing it 5/(10 minutes every day) and once you master it, you can get back to the whole thing.

Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Dec 27 2013, 10:32 PM

I agree with Gabe on this one - it is important not to get that feeling of competition or something like that If you want to play it, do it because you like it so much that you want to see it completed. Take it easy, in the rhythm suggested by Gabe and I am sure that the more you will treat it as your usual schedule (but focusing to play it well) it will raise itself up to tempo. You can do it man