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Todd Simpson
Jan 18 2021, 12:53 AM
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Impressive. For anyone who has not tried, that thing he's doing combining finger picking and the guitar pick is just flat out hard to do imho. I've seen Kris do this techique in other bits and it really works well on this type of solo. Getting that plucky/twant thing going is as of yet just beyond me. I"m glad kris is making these vids to break down the basic techniques as they are somewhat alien to me for sure.

QUOTE (Kristofer Dahl @ Jan 17 2021, 11:21 AM) *
Ok I see what you mean, yes I plan on recording a new status update soon, I can then try to play through what i have learned slowly.

If you want to get a feel for how it sounds, listen to 03:10 or 03:30 here:



I can basically play the first half of the solo at this tempo, minus some subtle technique stuff which I have not worked out yet.

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Jan 18 2021, 08:19 AM
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QUOTE (Todd Simpson @ Jan 18 2021, 12:53 AM) *
Impressive. For anyone who has not tried, that thing he's doing combining finger picking and the guitar pick is just flat out hard to do imho. I've seen Kris do this techique in other bits and it really works well on this type of solo. Getting that plucky/twant thing going is as of yet just beyond me. I"m glad kris is making these vids to break down the basic techniques as they are somewhat alien to me for sure.


Agreed - hybrid picking is key here!

If you have never done it - it will feel weird in the beginning. But it's one of those techniques that you will never stop doing once you have learned it, because it's so handy to start using those right hand fingers which are 'hanging' there anyway.

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Kristofer Dahl
Jan 18 2021, 11:19 AM
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Here is UPDATE 2 where I do a play-through of what I have so far:

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Jan 18 2021, 08:52 PM
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Very interesting Kris,

I am impressed with how much you've got down in so few days, maybe it would be good (for us students) to know approximately how many hours you've clocked up as you go along.

I'm not trying to teach my granny how to suck eggs but hopefully, this will help others who are following in the shadows I usually learn one bar/lick at a time, not up to speed but to get it into my fingers. What also needs work, is the transition from one bar/lick to the next. Trying to put the licks together after learning them can also be a skill in itself.

I usually do 1: 1&2: 2&3: 3&4: 4&5: At this point I usually practise all five bars/licks together for a while then go 5&6: 6&7 etc. Again, not up to speed but into my fingers.

I then work on building speed on the whole piece, this is where you really find your weak spots that need isolating and working on, mine are usually chordal parts wacko.gif

Anyway, keep up the good work, let's hope this helps and encourages others to enter the world of GMC and not be so shy at displaying their struggles.

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Todd Simpson
Jan 19 2021, 04:07 AM
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Wow. Kris is using all of his fingers to pick in one part in addition to the guitar pick. Almost like classical guitar technique but on an electric. Nice.

QUOTE (Kristofer Dahl @ Jan 18 2021, 06:19 AM) *
Here is UPDATE 2 where I do a play-through of what I have so far:


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Jan 19 2021, 09:23 AM
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What do you think has been most challenging about learning it so far?
As I understand there are many challenges but if you had to pick one.

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Jan 19 2021, 09:27 AM
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This it start to look really good. smile.gif

I looked carefully at this lesson and it's also hard for me to understand the rhythm of the licks. Mostly because most of the accents are puts in a different place than I expect or I have the instinct to put them. This thing make this lesson to be very tricky.
As an example if I look at the first 5 bars and I try to play this, same as you I also have the feeling to put the accent on that A# (G string, fret 3). But we don't have there any accent.
If I replace that accent, rhythmically sounds better and more close with the lesson but this thing works 1-2 time (if I have luck biggrin.gif ) because the instinct to put the accent in a wrong way it's still there. It needs more practice to I make this work.

BTW I love how good you reproduce that sharp attack on the first note. smile.gif


QUOTE (Kristofer Dahl @ Jan 18 2021, 10:19 AM) *
Here is UPDATE 2 where I do a play-through of what I have so far:


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Jan 19 2021, 09:27 AM
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QUOTE (Phil66 @ Jan 18 2021, 08:52 PM) *
I am impressed with how much you've got down in so few days, maybe it would be good (for us students) to know approximately how many hours you've clocked up as you go along.


Thanks Phil. Right now things are going better than I anticipated - especially considering I haven't even dug out the compressor pedal or started tweaking my tone seriously, yet. However, as mentioned, I have only played with short bits of the backing so far, so this might all change as I try to play the whole thing over the backing.

I have probably spent an average of 1,5 hour per day since I started this topic (Jan 15). Goes without saying that I don't practice unless I can be totally focused, so we are speaking about very effective practicing! 😅

QUOTE (Phil66 @ Jan 18 2021, 08:52 PM) *
I usually do 1: 1&2: 2&3: 3&4: 4&5: At this point I usually practise all five bars/licks together for a while then go 5&6: 6&7 etc. Again, not up to speed but into my fingers.

I then work on building speed on the whole piece, this is where you really find your weak spots that need isolating and working on, mine are usually chordal parts wacko.gif


This sounds like a very good strategy to me, similar to what i am doing currently.

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Jan 19 2021, 10:59 AM
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QUOTE (Monica Gheorghevici @ Jan 19 2021, 09:27 AM) *
This it start to look really good. smile.gif

I looked carefully at this lesson and it's also hard for me to understand the rhythm of the licks. Mostly because most of the accents are puts in a different place than I expect or I have the instinct to put them. This thing make this lesson to be very tricky.
As an example if I look at the first 5 bars and I try to play this, same as you I also have the feeling to put the accent on that A# (G string, fret 3). But we don't have there any accent.
If I replace that accent, rhythmically sounds better and more close with the lesson but this thing works 1-2 time (if I have luck biggrin.gif ) because the instinct to put the accent in a wrong way it's still there. It needs more practice to I make this work.

BTW I love how good you reproduce that sharp attack on the first note. smile.gif


Yes agreed about the accents thing - I also find it difficult to understanding the rhythms/timing. I think many accents come at a "weird" place because hybrid picking is used - and its easier to produce a snappy note with the right hand finger. And since many phrases start with the pick - it means the accents will not come on the first note.

QUOTE (HiimAlex @ Jan 19 2021, 09:23 AM) *
What do you think has been most challenging about learning it so far?
As I understand there are many challenges but if you had to pick one.


I would say understanding the timing.

In this very moment I feel comfortable about building speed - but a possible hurdle could be playing up to tempo while still incorporating all the country:ish stylistic details. That could take years... so we will see about that 😅

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Jan 19 2021, 06:34 PM
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as a low level player what can I say! ... this is fantastic! .. it sounds count ... am curious about the whole song when you finish it! smile.gif ohmy.gif

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Kristofer Dahl
Jan 21 2021, 10:44 AM
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@Azureus thanks 👊

If anybody else is working on this lesson and needs tips I would say I am highly qualified to answer right now since I am practicing the exact same 😁so feel free to shoot!

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Kristofer Dahl
Jan 24 2021, 05:33 PM
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Update 3: ( I felt like sneezing the whole time 😅)



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That is brilliant progress Kris, you are another level buddy.

Any idea how many hours you've clocked up so far?

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Jan 25 2021, 10:53 AM
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Thanks Phil! My estimate would be around 15 hours.

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That's a huge progress!!! smile.gif

I love the fact that you do this in a good way, not in a fast way. From my point of view, to set a deadline when you learn something it's the perfect chance to became your own enemy.
How you treat this learning process it's an example that should be followed.

I enjoy each step from your journey. Mostly because I personally love more the learning process than the final result itself (after things are learned, for the player the result became obvious and not so surprising anymore).
But...that joy that you feel when you learn something new and things start to sound good, it's priceless. smile.gif

Same kind of joy I see at you in this video. You are very positive (you are not afraid anymore to not get bored after few days biggrin.gif) and it's very visible that you play with much more confidence and more relaxed. The fact that you enjoy to do this, it can be felt.
Looking at you hands, I could say that at this moment you already have an idea how this solo will sound in the end. wink.gif

I hardly wait the next episode. smile.gif

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Great thread Kris! It's super useful to witness "the process" of a pro player.
No one, no matter how good they are, learns and absorbs something new instantly. Especially if it's a style/genre/technique that they are not that familiar with.

My only suggestion for anyone attempting this type of challenge is to listen to a lot of the style. In this case - hot country lead guitar. It will really help in understanding the "feel" and where the accents are placed within the music in general. A great place to start would be Brent Mason on any Alan Jackson and George Strait records.

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QUOTE (Monica Gheorghevici @ Jan 25 2021, 03:32 PM) *
That's a huge progress!!! smile.gif

I love the fact that you do this in a good way, not in a fast way. From my point of view, to set a deadline when you learn something it's the perfect chance to became your own enemy.
How you treat this learning process it's an example that should be followed.

I enjoy each step from your journey. Mostly because I personally love more the learning process than the final result itself (after things are learned, for the player the result became obvious and not so surprising anymore).
But...that joy that you feel when you learn something new and things start to sound good, it's priceless. smile.gif

Same kind of joy I see at you in this video. You are very positive (you are not afraid anymore to not get bored after few days biggrin.gif) and it's very visible that you play with much more confidence and more relaxed. The fact that you enjoy to do this, it can be felt.
Looking at you hands, I could say that at this moment you already have an idea how this solo will sound in the end. wink.gif

I hardly wait the next episode. smile.gif


Awesome you dig it Monica. Yes I have def reached threshold where I long to hit the clean channel and play some of these twang licks - that's a super positive sign 🤩


QUOTE (klasaine @ Jan 25 2021, 04:06 PM) *
Great thread Kris! It's super useful to witness "the process" of a pro player.
No one, no matter how good they are, learns and absorbs something new instantly. Especially if it's a style/genre/technique that they are not that familiar with.

My only suggestion for anyone attempting this type of challenge is to listen to a lot of the style. In this case - hot country lead guitar. It will really help in understanding the "feel" and where the accents are placed within the music in general. A great place to start would be Brent Mason on any Alan Jackson and George Strait records.


Very true, I have listened a bit to country stuff (like the Hellacasters). Most of my musical input probably comes from the country material at GMC though. I think just going through countless of lessons/slow videos (for publishing purposes) has probably helped me more than I realise.

So I guess this goes to show you actually practice passively without realising it as soon as you get musical input.

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QUOTE (Kristofer Dahl @ Jan 25 2021, 09:53 AM) *
Thanks Phil! My estimate would be around 15 hours.


Very impressive buddy. Obviously we have to remember the Pareto principle here, (80% of results come from 20% of the time, then the last twenty percent of results takes 80% of the time), I'm looking forward watching this one grow.

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QUOTE (Phil66 @ Jan 25 2021, 08:42 PM) *
Very impressive buddy. Obviously we have to remember the Pareto principle here, (80% of results come from 20% of the time, then the last twenty percent of results takes 80% of the time), I'm looking forward watching this one grow.


Yes this is key, getting that last bit of mojo at a high tempo can be insanely difficult and time consuming.

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I continue to be hugely impressed by your ability. I was always impressed, but this is beyond.

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