Stage Presence, or lack there of
jstcrsn
Jul 22 2021, 02:36 PM
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after battling the covid the past few days ( thanks for the well wishes ) , it seems I have a enormous amount of time left to quarantine and reading another thread got me thinking of this topic. In these examples we have mainly the same band with a couple of different players . Queensryche is my favorite band. I lived in southern California and saw them many times including this warning tour. Quick side note, I saw their last full live operation mind crime full album cover , and they did it the last part of the show ( Todd could never sing like Geoff()). I Never saw them with this new singer (Todd) , but with the second guitarist (Parker).
As I was pondering what gives a good stage show and what does not I started analyzing this same band with different players. In this first example with this bands main players (IMO) Geoff the singer and Chris the guitar player with the white guitar own the stage. Why? as I noticed Geoff and Chris know their parts so well it is like they are hardly playing , but , interacting with the crowd, they are inviting the crowd to be on stage with them. They are looking, smiling, staring at the crowd . Geoff hardly looks like he has to do much to hit the notes , his eyes are open and looking at the crowd. Now don't forget the other players to take note , as they are in the next 'version'.


In this next example, we have a different singer, and the guitarist ( Chris) has been replaced as well ( new drummer too). Now as you notice the sunglasses that they are all wearing , Looks good(NOT), to me it keeps the band aloof, the audience at bay. Now to talk about the 2 replacement players . Todd ( singer) can hit the notes, but his eyes are closed , he does not look at the crowd ( hardly ever) whilst singing and the other guitarist just looks like he would rather be somewhere else. Now the other two original members , although smacked by father time, don't have much of a different show than in the first version, true they are a little less active now, but even then, they looked aloof, looked at their guitars more than the crowd and in my Opinion WALKED BACK AND STARED AT THE DRUMMER WHICH IS A HUGE MOMENTUM KILLER, just watch what happens from this perspective and how dead it gets when they TURN THEIR BACK ON THE CROWD



So in short, invite the audience up on stage with your playing (not literally), make it about the audience- not you. These are my opinions , what do you think?

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Caelumamittendum
Jul 22 2021, 04:00 PM
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I think it has happened to the majority of bands getting older. I know there are still exceptions of course, but bands ranging from Dream Theater to Metallica are also less active on stage than they used to be 25-30 years ago. Less running around etc.

In fairness though I also think there are more crowd control these days at concerts. When Pearl Jam played at Roskilde Festival in 2000 nine people unfortunately lost their lives in the audience due to lack of control, people jumping, running, everything. It probably all adds up - less active band and more control of the audience and the bands getting older. Of course I'm not saying the band cannot put on a show, but they're not 25 anymore either, and if they're doing show upon show I'm sure it's tiring to not only perform well, but also have that overwhelming stage presence.

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Jul 22 2021, 07:32 PM
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QUOTE (Caelumamittendum @ Jul 22 2021, 04:00 PM) *
I think it has happened to the majority of bands getting older. I know there are still exceptions of course, but bands ranging from Dream Theater to Metallica are also less active on stage than they used to be 25-30 years ago. Less running around etc.

In fairness though I also think there are more crowd control these days at concerts. When Pearl Jam played at Roskilde Festival in 2000 nine people unfortunately lost their lives in the audience due to lack of control, people jumping, running, everything. It probably all adds up - less active band and more control of the audience and the bands getting older. Of course I'm not saying the band cannot put on a show, but they're not 25 anymore either, and if they're doing show upon show I'm sure it's tiring to not only perform well, but also have that overwhelming stage presence.

Valid points to be sure , but should not the new young bucks be able to move more and control the stage

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Jul 22 2021, 08:14 PM
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Glad you are getting better from covid! Ben has a good point on age coming in to play IMHO. The younger players in such bands may not want to upstage the original / longer active members, so they may be holding back a bit. There is a huge difference to be sure. That first vid was the band in their prime as young bucks. There are young bands now with lots of stage presence.

Here is AIRBORN from australia doing a very good ACDC vibe for example smile.gif

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Jul 22 2021, 08:15 PM
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QUOTE (jstcrsn @ Jul 22 2021, 08:32 PM) *
Valid points to be sure , but should not the new young bucks be able to move more and control the stage


I think it depends a lot on the music, i.e. at a doom concert it will be less than at a rock'n'roll show, but it's been a while since I've seen a show from a "younger" band. And I don't know what newer bands the younger generation listen to.

Here are a couple younger bands that I find myself listening to once in a while. I'm sure there are many others. But I suppose a lot of things have changed over time.





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Jul 22 2021, 08:41 PM
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QUOTE (Caelumamittendum @ Jul 22 2021, 08:15 PM) *
I think it depends a lot on the music, i.e. at a doom concert it will be less than at a rock'n'roll show, but it's been a while since I've seen a show from a "younger" band. And I don't know what newer bands the younger generation listen to.

Here are a couple younger bands that I find myself listening to once in a while. I'm sure there are many others. But I suppose a lot of things have changed over time.

did you see how the singer for monuments owned the stage, he took the crowd where he wanted them to go . I think it's worth analyzing

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He is a great front man he's bearing the torch to some degree for the next generation. Even periphery has less presence than he does. That band DEFECTO has a great stage show imho. The singer is the best part of the band imho. The other guys play well but they can't match his level of presence and energy. I hope he gets in a band full of people on his same level. It could be the next metallica, which we could really use right now!

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did you see how the singer for monuments owned the stage, he took the crowd where he wanted them to go . I think it's worth analyzing

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QUOTE (Todd Simpson @ Jul 22 2021, 09:57 PM) *
He is a great front man he's bearing the torch to some degree for the next generation. Even periphery has less presence than he does. That band DEFECTO has a great stage show imho. The singer is the best part of the band imho. The other guys play well but they can't match his level of presence and energy. I hope he gets in a band full of people on his same level. It could be the next metallica, which we could really use right now!


Funny you say that. I think I've posted it before. They supported Metallica and Rammstein when they were in Denmark:





They're still relatively young (32 ish now, so about 28 in those clips) and new to the bigger stages, but I think they're doing great smile.gif

Also the singer is a big Metallica fan, I think:







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I think Maiden still put on a pretty lively show, don't they? Bruce and the boys are always entertaining. I've never been to a show though. It's a shame because it's my dream concert.

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QUOTE (FreePizza @ Jul 22 2021, 09:26 PM) *
I think Maiden still put on a pretty lively show, don't they? Bruce and the boys are always entertaining. I've never been to a show though. It's a shame because it's my dream concert.
They do, last time I saw them....... what..... to soon, just kidding , I was trying to get peoples Ideas about good stage presence , do you have any ideas

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QUOTE (jstcrsn @ Jul 22 2021, 10:29 PM) *
I was trying to get peoples Ideas about good stage presence , do you have any ideas


Not really, sorry. I agree about getting the audience involved though. Freddy Mercury was excellent with that whole "Eh Oh" thing. The audience loves to be engaged.

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I think that its also about showing that you love to play as a band. If you have interaction with all your band members and moving freely at the stage that People will take over the enthousiasme and start to dance and stuff.
And i deed have interaction with the crowd is very important. Some slingers are good at talking between numbers with the crowd but also during songs.
For me personally i really love to see that the band is enjoying the concert and have a lot of energy. I want to see that they love to do what they do smile.gif

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QUOTE (tflava @ Jul 23 2021, 08:22 AM) *
I think that its also about showing that you love to play as a band. If you have interaction with all your band members and moving freely at the stage that People will take over the enthousiasme and start to dance and stuff.
And i deed have interaction with the crowd is very important. Some slingers are good at talking between numbers with the crowd but also during songs.
For me personally i really love to see that the band is enjoying the concert and have a lot of energy. I want to see that they love to do what they do smile.gif


I gotta say that in some regard it's probably also about what is being played. If it's progressive rock or metal people will likely not dance. At a death metal show you might see a mosh pit, at a jazz fusion concert people might admire and clap. At a concert for more "dance"-like music, people will dance.

And then can possibly relate to the difficulty of playing the songs too. Some 3 chord song you might not have to concentrate much, where as if you're playing something much more difficult you might have to put close to all your focus into the solo to play it correctly. But on the other hand you can maybe get away with a few mistakes if you put on a good show and people are enjoying themselves. smile.gif

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