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Posted by: stratman33 Sep 15 2007, 04:19 AM

hey i was just wondering about peoples opinions on rap music...i really like some rap songs that actually have meaning, but hate the ones that just swear over and over for no reason.(or i just like some songs that are really catchy)

some rap songs i like-

Crank dat soulja boy-soulja boy

Buy u a drank-tpain

we fly high-jim jones

dont matter-akon

those are some that i like...but i doubt you guys like any rap whatsoever especielly u metal fans.but when u live around people who love rap, it grows on ya.

Posted by: Ayen Sep 15 2007, 04:23 AM

Personally, I can't stand it. I tend to think of Rap as the stereotype most people associate it with, and more times than not, I turn out to be correct in thinking that way. However, if there is a real meaning behind it, I'll tolerate it, or even listen to it regularly. I used to actually like Eminem for a while, his songs always had me laughing pretty hard.

Posted by: Davidian Sep 15 2007, 04:29 AM

I don't really like rap, except for the French rappers. Those guys are great, imo! (Eg. MC Solaar)
Oh, and rap in the dialect they speak where I live is great too.

Posted by: Robin Sep 15 2007, 04:31 AM

I hate most of it, but some of it I think is pretty good.


http://youtube.com/watch?v=kgTrKDsfZEk Run DMC. I really like this band.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=M5GXj1jwb1U Beastie boys are also pretty cool.

I think this is called hip hop? I'm not sure of the difference though.


Robert Randolph and the Family band is also sort of RnB I think, I'm not sure. Its alot of funk and rock in it aswell, but their latest album got alot more pop and RnB than their first.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=lissdIckly4 - Robert Randolph and the Family band.

Posted by: Fsgdjv Sep 15 2007, 04:32 AM

Just like any music style, the over commercialised side of rap sucks, but that's just the same with metal (like all the metalcore and numetal). Good rap is good, and will allways be good. Sure, some people can't be arsed to get into rap, and that's fine, but it's still just as good as any other music imo.

So, yes! I like rap, allthough I don't listen to it that much, but Atmosphere, Sage Francis, Lupe Fiasco and some more hip hop/rap groups/artists are great imo!

Posted by: Robin Sep 15 2007, 04:33 AM

Exactly!

Posted by: Ayen Sep 15 2007, 04:40 AM

I think as long as they don't go on about "Gangstas" or guns or money, it's tolerable.

Real Gangsters tried to make something of themselves, for their families. The ones you hear about in rap are just thugs.

Posted by: rokchik Sep 15 2007, 04:43 AM

ahhh the Rap subject

I'm not a big fan of "rap" but I do love Hip Hop. By this I mean that to me Rap is just a sub genre of Hip Hip. True hip hop for me is guys like KRS1, Public Enemy, Common, Eminem, Tupak, Mos Def, Run DMC people who had a message and some actual talent. "Rap" for me is just club music. Some of it is catchy yes and I do like dancing/partying to it but it has it's time and place.

Posted by: shredmandan Sep 15 2007, 04:58 AM

It's just not for me.I edited my post cause i think i should just keep my opinions to myself on this matter.I dont want to hurt anyones feelings




For those about to rock,I salute you

Posted by: botoxfox Sep 15 2007, 05:07 AM

Yeah, rap sucks...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ozcGutsbV0U&NR=1

Posted by: Ayen Sep 15 2007, 05:09 AM

Well said, Dan. I agree with what you said about the WET Hypothetical (though I think a channel called WET would really arouse some suspicions, and in some cases, just arouse). But maybe we should avoid the subject, as someone might get offended, and that's the last thing we want on GMC.

Edit: Oh you've edited your post. I've done the same then, but left what you would understand.

Posted by: SEANCD2005 Sep 15 2007, 05:10 AM

I couldnt agree with you more i personly feel that rap is garbage and that there is no musical talent involved with the making of rap or anything that has to do with it.

Posted by: tonymiro Sep 15 2007, 06:20 AM

As with most/all types of music I can take some and leave some.

Rap can be excellent and defy the stereotype of what we come to expect/what is played to death on commercial stations. It can have meaningful, important lyrics (albeit as Rokchik says much is arguably hiphop) - see Public Enemy, Arrested Development, Consolidated for example. It can have imaginative and intelligent production - The Roots, Dizzy Rascal. It can span boundaries - Run DMC, Floetry, MC Solaar.

It's the same as any type of music some is excellent, some is poor. Sadly it tends to be the latter that gets the most airtime though - just don't write it all off based on what you hear on commercial radio. After all if we did what would be left of metal, rock, jazz, blues - you name it...


Cheers,
Tony

ps the revolution will not be televised...

Posted by: Nick325 Sep 15 2007, 06:22 AM

i like some rap but more guitar music

Posted by: Asphyxia Feeling Sep 15 2007, 06:36 AM

Nas. Illmatic. done.

I'd like to add something in the defence of rap. if you are not a fan of hip-hop, the only thing you know about is the over-commercialized side. 50 cent, t-pain, stuff like that. it's easy to say that stuff sucks. but think of it from a hip-hop fan's point of view, as somebody who doesn't really know anything about rock music. we have Fall Out Boy. (new) Green Day. PANIC! at the disco being over-commercialized. if somebody tried to label Rock with those bands, a lot of us would jump at them and say "those bands aren't even rock / that's pop garbage / *etc*". i think the same thing goes for rap music.

so, before you judge, just think to yourself that maybe you really have no idea what rap is anyway. i know i really don't. i've been getting into it a bit, but still. i'm a total noob when it comes to that form of music. but i like some good stuff.

Posted by: Robin Sep 15 2007, 06:37 AM

Me and Gen were actually talking about this the other day. And Gen said something like "All good music is good music". And that is as true as it gets.

You just got to find the good stuff! Dont say that rap sucks, say that the commercial piece of crabcake rap that is on The Voice and everywhere else on the TV is crap(well, many have already stated that )
There are talentented musicians in every freakin genre, you just got to look harder. Well, excluding trance and techno...

Posted by: Salivtomte Sep 15 2007, 06:55 AM

Thumbs up for Oldschoolrap, etc Run DMC, Beastie boys, Pre 90's Red hot chili peppers

Thumbs down for pretty much all Gangsta rap, and club rap

Posted by: The Uncreator Sep 15 2007, 07:09 AM

Rap is music just like any other music genre. I dont like it, but i still can respect it, or atleast some of it, i have to admit, what i have heard nowadays (which i admit is next to none, so maybe i shouldnt make this an absolute oppinion) seems like its manufactured, like it just rools off an assembly line, but this is just how i hear it, to someone else, it could be compeltely unique.

To each his own.

Posted by: Robin Sep 15 2007, 07:21 AM

Check out this video: http://youtube.com/watch?v=kgTrKDsfZEk (Oh man how many times have I posted this video now )
I think you will be pleasantly surprised. They even use some real instruments


But yeah, as you said about this new rap thing, its just a bunch of record labels that tries to gather money on good looking artists and "music" that is "in". Its not really music at all.

Posted by: Hemlok Sep 15 2007, 07:36 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mvtIFponPw

Not really into rap, I like some hip hop, if it sounds good to me.

Posted by: FretDancer69 Sep 15 2007, 12:19 PM

i hate rap, i cant stand it, im sure there are always good songs out there, but im not interested in searching for them. I hate rap!! rap like Eminem, 50 Cent, The game, D12, and all those stuff!!!

i dislike every type of "music" that does not involve a good playing from an instrument and that only contains monotonous "beats".

Posted by: PacmanProductions Sep 15 2007, 12:23 PM

i do like some rap, but music is like candy.... gotta throw away the "rappers"...

Posted by: The Uncreator Sep 15 2007, 09:03 PM

^

Posted by: Understudy Sep 15 2007, 10:52 PM

There are very few rap artists I actually like. For the most part it is a genre of music I always found it hard to get into. Not to discredit it in any way, it just isn't for me.

Posted by: strat_daniel Sep 16 2007, 01:45 AM

I'm not the biggest fan of "rap", but I like some hip hop, usually when it has a bit more rNb and funk thrown in. The roots are a pretty good example. They actually play instruments!

Posted by: Robin Sep 16 2007, 01:47 AM

Yeah, I agree!

Posted by: Matt Sep 16 2007, 05:08 PM

couldnt agree more. mate, i salute YOU lol

Posted by: strat_daniel Sep 17 2007, 09:30 AM

Sweet! Here's a pretty good example of their work for anyone who hasn't heard:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFb9UqELX8w

Posted by: PacmanProductions Sep 17 2007, 09:33 AM

cool... that is good...

Posted by: swingline Sep 17 2007, 09:36 AM

Beastie Boys and Run Dmc are cool but forget the rest. You can't spell crap without rap.

Posted by: Robin Sep 17 2007, 09:36 AM

Yeah, thats pretty cool, its definatly music!

Not my favorite genre at all, but its still kinda cool.


I really like stuff like Robert Randolph & the Family band though. No, wait. I LOOOOVE Robert Randolph & the Family band.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSldvVbVM3Y
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lissdIckly4

Thats a couple of nice tunes from Robert Randolph. They arent exactly rap, but many of their songs are kinda RnB/Hip Hopish.


Those two bands rocks

Posted by: JVM Sep 17 2007, 09:45 AM

The human voice isn't an instrument?

You'll find the real instruments on stuff like 2pac, he even had guitars in his music

I agree with people who're saying that the really good stuff is hip hop and stuff that has a soul/r&b/maybe funk kind of vibe to it. I still like people like Jay-z, Wu Tang, Snoop and Eminem, but I also like Run DMC, Public Enemy, etc. If you don't want to go out and find it I think thats a little bit closed minded of you, but it's your loss.

Posted by: strat_daniel Sep 17 2007, 09:46 AM

Yeah, I am more into metal/alt rock,but I like different styles depending on the song itself.Oh yeah, Robert Randolph is awesome, btw!

Posted by: FretDancer69 Sep 18 2007, 02:36 AM

yeah, i know it is, but we have singing lessons for a reason right? I mean, the voice has to be trained so it can become better, but do YOU honestly think that the people i mentioned do that? What do they "sing" in their "songs"? Drugs, Clubs, Dope, Women, Getting Laid, and what not...see thats what i mean...

for me, if the rap song has a good instrument playing, or some good vocals that you can Appreciate, then its a good work.

Posted by: rokchik Sep 18 2007, 06:46 AM

Ok I'm gonna give my 2 cents again...

I agree about the content issue to a point. When you start talking about the "club rap" with catchy sampled beats talking about crunk juice, women and trying to get you to do some ridiculous dance...soulja boy anyone...I agree whole heartedly (even though I have been known to enjoy this music at the club...but no stupid dances) For me there is a time and place for this stuff and it's at a dance club not on radio. But for a lot of artists they rap about what they know, about their life experience and unfortunetly for a lot of them that was gang banging and dope dealing. Guys like Tupac, Dre, Public Enemy, Mos Def, and Common for example have very socially conscience lyrics that don't glorify what is happening but tells you "hey this stuff is going on". This kind of hip hop tells a story imo...more often than not it's anything but a happy one. And with the lyrics, if you actually take the time to listen (and not to the mainstream stuff we discussed first) you'll see that they can be very poetic and inspiring. You just have to look for it. As I said in a previous thread there is crap in every genre of music....but are you going to label it all as bad just because you don't like a few artists? I mean I don't like every rock band out there but I love rock music, I'm not big into the growling metal but I like metal. I don't even like every rapper/hip hop artist but I like hip hop. To me it's a bit hipocritical to blast an entire genre of music based on a few acts. If this is the case you'd have to say you hate music because no one likes every band or artist in a particular genre. That may sound a bit harsh, however I hope you see the point I was trying to make.

And also rapping is not singing...it's rapping. Spoken verse over a beat. Just beacuse they can't hold a note like Pavarotti doesn't mean they are not talented. They still have to breathe like a singer, warm up like a singer they just aren't "singing" in the traditional sense. It is a talent even if you don't like or respect it.

Edit: here are a couple of examples of great lyrical, conscience songs. Warning for language. I used Tupak as the example because most just view him as a thug when he really wasn't.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUoUDuAPCZA&mode=related&search=

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfXwmDGJAB8&mode=related&search=

Posted by: tonymiro Sep 18 2007, 08:09 AM

+1 Rokchik.

I'd also nominate Consolidated for good lyrics that aren't the 'gangsta, guns, women' line.

It's also worth remembering that a fair bit of rock has some dumb lyrics as well. Without naming them there are a fair few rock groups that are guilty of sexist, homophobic, drug promoting drivel mascarading as lyrics. Good rap tends to tell a story, often one that is closer to modern day life that some people experience then what you will find in the lyrics of a lot of other musical forms. So as Rokchik says don't lump all rap in to the 'duh gangsta rapper with uzi lyrics' as it isn't.

As to the various comments that rap is studio produced. There is real skill in being able to put the samples and stuff together. In rap the production team gets a lot of attention - and rightly so. Maybe it's worth considering that being able to drive the desk, use a sampler well, program the software etc requires musical knowledge and skill as does playing a traditional instrument.

With regard to poetry and/in music a very good emotive piece, imo, is Lynton Kwesi Johnson's http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydv0ryxZEmQ. OK this is reggae but the roots of rap are in reggae. Sonny's Lettah is based on a true story btw.



Cheers,
Tony

Posted by: PacmanProductions Sep 18 2007, 08:11 AM

Dont forget $$MONEY$$.....

Posted by: FretDancer69 Sep 18 2007, 11:35 AM

Posted by: rokchik Sep 18 2007, 11:41 AM

Thanks Tony
And yes Consolidated is great too. I also enjoyed your link. Good stuff. Reggae is another form of music that dosen't get the respect it deserves. I just have to say two words with regards to reggae....BOB MARLEY! end of discussion