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Posted by: fkalich Sep 2 2007, 03:18 PM

Actually, my question is rhetorical. This has been said before, the Ramones invented it. I was not sure whether to believe that or not, but came across the proof. And here it is. 1974 Punk Rock.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWHAL_q1ne8&mode=related&search

Posted by: Owen Sep 2 2007, 06:07 PM

The Ramones may have invented it, but The Clash and The Sex Pistols pioneered it.

Posted by: fkalich Sep 2 2007, 06:39 PM

Hey Owen. Got your email. Thanks, took it as a compliment.

I agree. See, I don't always disagree with everything everyone says, there are exceptions.

Posted by: Owen Sep 2 2007, 09:52 PM

It was intended that way. I like your take on things.

I dont think the Ramones ever referred to themselves as punk, as far as I'm aware it was just the tag that got slapped on to them.

Interesting tho.

Posted by: The Uncreator Sep 2 2007, 09:59 PM

The Ramones kick ass.

Posted by: fkalich Sep 2 2007, 10:12 PM

Could be, although that song in the video from 1974 was titled "Judy is a Punk". Maybe that is where it came from, not sure.

They were one of those bands who showed how a simple sound could really be great. Another band that did that was the English band, Slade, from the early 70's. Simple, great sound.

Here is a video when in my view, they were at their peak. The move Spinal Tap was based in part on them. At the beginning of the movie they do a scene about making a video at an all girls school. I suspect that that Rob
Reiner (director) got the idea from this video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a32ikFfvk00&mode=related&search


edit: and a more recent simple sound, that is great, Green Day

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8Y3qDDODT0

A lot of the guitar god worshipers trash bands like this, but to me this is the basis of good music, if you can add a great guitarist on top of this, super, but just stick a great guitarist like Vai out there without this basis, yawn.

Posted by: tonymiro Sep 4 2007, 12:41 AM

Nice links fkalich - thanks . Not least as I'm just reading Lester Bang's Psychotic reactions... Brings back happy memories of a misspent youth in the dark and dank underground of Eric's in Liverpool.

The New York Dolls probably give the Ramones a close run for the money by the way. (And of course McClaren was associated with the Dolls on their 73 European tour). Patti Smith released a single in 74; as did the Neon Boys (who I think became Richard Hell and the Voidoids - anyway their B side is 'Love comes in Spurts' so sounds like it...) Depending where you draw the line Iggy and the Stoogies. Certainly Jon Savage's wonderful book England's Dreaming gives the credit pretty 4 square to the US. Throw away comment - first punk album I ever bought was The self titled The Ramones back in '76 - cost me nearly 1/2 of my week's wage as it was on import.

One thing though - US 70's punk (ie pre California and HardCore) is/was pretty different to what became punk and even new wave in the UK. Guess you might say that the US groups stayed more experimental (Pere Ubu/James White/Television/Talking Heads) whilst the UK (with some exceptions like Magazine/Slits/Pop Group) were more into political/social rawk and rowl (Clash, Crass, Adverts, Pistols...) and then became more experimental with post punk (Fall, Crisis, Joy Division, Throbbing Gristle, Cabaret Voltaire).

Cheers,
Tony

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Sep 4 2007, 02:19 AM

I saw the movie "Punk Attitude" and it tells the Punk history very good! I remember it saying that The New Yourk Dolls were the main punk root and then Television and Ramones appeared influenced by them. The name punk was first a magazine's name that talked about this bands.

gabriel.-

Posted by: tonymiro Sep 4 2007, 08:57 AM

Was that the Don Letts movie Gabriel? Great guy - used to guest dj at Erics. Wonderful dub reggae collection .

Cheers,
Tony

Posted by: Owen Sep 8 2007, 10:21 PM

The word punk actually comes from a substance originally used to light fires, it's a special type of wood or algii I think.

It was then coined as a name for a prostitute; think "cmon baby light my fire" type thing and your on the right lines.

Later, the Americans started to use the term as an insult to refer to the 'disenchanted youff', 'you young punk' would have initially implied that they were prostitutionalising themselves.

From there it was taken by bands such as The Clash or The Ramones or indeed magazines and used as a term for anyone who attempted to fight the system in an often anarchaic fashion. As a sarcastic take on the people that called them that.