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Nov 4 2008, 06:03 AM
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QUOTE (Pedja Simovic @ Nov 4 2008, 04:40 AM)  If there is F# major there should be D# minor F# major F# G# A# B C# D# E# (F#) D# minor = F# major starting on 6th scale degree (aeolian mode) D# E# F# G# A# B C# D# So the notes are there no doubt. Now question arises , and a very good one , why do we call this key Eb minor rather than D#minor? I believe it has to do what a specific sound it carries and emotions it triggers. People with perfect pitch associate all notes with colors and feelings. Same thing for keys. This is not far from truth and can be easily applied in this example. Give it some thinking and let me know  wow man you are right I just noticed my mistake. These things sometimes really get confusing when you think about them. Yes there is D# minor but there is no D# major (and that's what I actually had in mind). I was thinking of that one, and writting about the other one haaha. Thanks for this very important correction. It was very late when I posted this comment Good that we have it clear now. Thanks.
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Nov 4 2008, 03:35 PM
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I want to figure out the sharps or flats for B minor. I have this in my hand: http://aura.gaia.com/photos/21/202653/larg...color_wheel.jpg How do I do it? The word minor isnt any where on it. Do I have to convert Bmin to major first? QUOTE Emir said: If you want to get a relative (parallel) major key from a minor key, you go up a minor 3rd. So Bmin + minor 3rd = C#maj. Correct? And looking on the chart (see link) there is no C# maj but there is Db major so I use that? 5 flats? (I'm giving you the step by step of how I'm thinking it out) -------------------- My Gear
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Nov 4 2008, 03:55 PM
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QUOTE (jer @ Nov 4 2008, 04:35 PM) no. I want to figure out the sharps or flats for B minor. I have this in my hand: http://aura.gaia.com/photos/21/202653/larg...color_wheel.jpg How do I do it? The word minor isnt any where on it. Do I have to convert Bmin to major first? So Bmin + minor 3rd = C#maj. Correct? And looking on the chart (see link) there is no C# maj but there is Db major so I use that? 5 flats? (I'm giving you the step by step of how I'm thinking it out) Ok , let me help you out. First step C major has no sharps nor flats, correct? Second step, relative minor scale to C major is down a minor 3rd (whole + half step or in guitar language 3 frets). Ok now third step - if you want MINOR chords that have SHARPS start with A minor and keep going up a FIFTH. You get this now A minor - E minor ( 1 sharp) , B minor (2 sharps) , F# minor (3 sharps) etc Step four, if you want Minor chords that have flats in them start with a minor and keep going UP A FORTH. So you get this now A minor, Dminor (1 flat) G minor (2 flats) C minor (3 flats) etc Makes sense? If you are still struggling then you need to work on your Interval knowledge. Unison = same note Minor 2nd = half step or 1 fret Major 2nd = whole step or 2 frets Minor 3rd = w + w step or 3 frets Perfect 4th = w+ w+ h step or 4 frets Augmented 4th or Diminished 5th or TRITONE = w + w+ w or 5 frets Perfect 5th = w + w+ w + h step or 6 frets This is half of the intervals before the octave. They will help you create basic chords as well as look for keys with sharps and flats. Hope this helps now |
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Nov 4 2008, 04:04 PM
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I used to have the same problem, and actually didn't use any rules to do that, instead I made a table of all scales, and bit by bit I learned them by hearth.
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Nov 4 2008, 04:22 PM
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QUOTE (jer @ Nov 4 2008, 02:58 PM) Since I am starting with minor, do I go UP a minor 3rd (3 frets) and use the circle of fifths for D major? Yes. B minor is a parallel scale with D major. Both have 2 sharps. Very simple. p.s. there are 2 keys missing on your picture, C# major and Cb major. C# has 7 sharps and Cb 7 flats -------------------- Check out my <a href="https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/instructor/Emir-Hot" target="_blank">Instructor profile</a>
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Nov 4 2008, 05:03 PM
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QUOTE (Pedja Simovic @ Nov 4 2008, 03:55 PM) F#, C# , G# , D#, A# , E# , B# ! Bb, Eb, Ab, Db, Gb, Cb, Fb ! Then all you need is learn to start from C and go up a 4th or fifth depending what type of key you are looking for Keys with sharps G , D , A , E , B , F#, C # Keys with flats F , Bb, Eb , Ab, Db, Gb , Cb Great post. I uploaded picture on this thread which explains exactly what you said here. You just need to learn that picture and everything after that is really easy. -------------------- Check out my <a href="https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/instructor/Emir-Hot" target="_blank">Instructor profile</a>
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Nov 4 2008, 05:28 PM
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Check this out.
http://www.guitar-vacation-retreats.com/re...cle_fifths.html Neat picture that shows a great trick for remembering the order of sharps and flats using your guitar. -------------------- My Gear
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Nov 4 2008, 05:36 PM
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Yes, very cool system but again C# major and Cb major are missing on his picture.
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Nov 4 2008, 05:41 PM
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Because C# major has 7 sharps and it's very hard to read notes in that key. They use Db major instead which has 5 flats. They sound the same. The same reason is for Cb major, which has 7 flats but people use B major with 5 sharps for easier reading. However in theory C# major and Cb major do exist.
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