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Nov 15 2020, 07:27 PM |
Hello Victor,
Playing ahead of the beat is extremely common, very often its because one isn't familiar enough with the piece so you kinda play in anticipation of the beat, if that makes sense. It's like when you first manage to get through a lesson without a mistake, we often find that we get tense and excited at the last couple of bars which makes us rush to the end, if you're not familiar enough with the piece, it's like that all the way through. I know Kris isn't a great advocate of practising with a metronome and it can be monotonous but this video is well worth a watch. Hopefully Kris won't take it down as it's from another lesson site. Maybe five minutes a day like this will help discipline your internal click. https://youtu.be/nurMXLoR4oI Phil -------------------- SEE MY GMC CERTIFICATE “Success is not obtained overnight. It comes in instalments; you get a little bit today, a little bit tomorrow until the whole package is given out. The day you procrastinate, you lose that day's success.” Israelmore Ayivor |
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Nov 15 2020, 09:17 PM |
Hello Victor, Playing ahead of the beat is extremely common, very often its because one isn't familiar enough with the piece so you kinda play in anticipation of the beat, if that makes sense. It's like when you first manage to get through a lesson without a mistake, we often find that we get tense and excited at the last couple of bars which makes us rush to the end, if you're not familiar enough with the piece, it's like that all the way through. I know Kris isn't a great advocate of practising with a metronome and it can be monotonous but this video is well worth a watch. Hopefully Kris won't take it down as it's from another lesson site. Maybe five minutes a day like this will help discipline your internal click. https://youtu.be/nurMXLoR4oI Phil +1 here! This timing exercise is very tricky but very effective. I usually recommend students to dedicate at least 5 minutes each day to this one. It's also a good meditation. I think it's easier for me when I play with a backing track than if I use the metronome. Check this example that is a part of Tightness Etude by Lian Gerbino I think that backing track makes it easier because you don't only have the beat count (done by kick and snare), you also have subdivitions made by hi hats and other instruments. I also find it easier to play tight and groovy over backings than metronome. -------------------- My lessons
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Nov 15 2020, 10:55 PM |
I also find it easier to play tight and groovy over backings than metronome. The metronome, though unmusical, is the sergeant major of practise tools. You have to totally tune in mentally, if you master the discipline that the metronome demands you can master anything IMHO. I've never managed though This post has been edited by Phil66: Nov 15 2020, 10:55 PM -------------------- SEE MY GMC CERTIFICATE “Success is not obtained overnight. It comes in instalments; you get a little bit today, a little bit tomorrow until the whole package is given out. The day you procrastinate, you lose that day's success.” Israelmore Ayivor |
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Nov 16 2020, 08:37 AM |
And do the reverse of what we normally do, go as slow as you can on the metronome then when you can do it at that BPM, slow it down a few clicks.
It's always good to record it with a click source in your DAW too, then you can compare visually, you can't always hear it when you're concentrating on playing. -------------------- SEE MY GMC CERTIFICATE “Success is not obtained overnight. It comes in instalments; you get a little bit today, a little bit tomorrow until the whole package is given out. The day you procrastinate, you lose that day's success.” Israelmore Ayivor |
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Nov 16 2020, 05:32 PM |
A long time ago I was very fortunate to be able to take two months of lessons from Steve Vai. Eight lessons all in all.
Vai is a metronome freak! One of the exercises he had me do was was to clap on the beat with the metronome and try to make the 'click' disappear. Harder than it seems, especially for any real duration. Also only clapping on the "off" beats (the 1/8 notes). Also extremely difficult at first. Fast speeds or slow speeds - both have their challenges. -------------------- - Ken Lasaine
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Nov 16 2020, 08:33 PM |
Very interesting Ken,
Please share your experience in the Chill Out zone, it would be interesting to hear how he was as a teacher -------------------- SEE MY GMC CERTIFICATE “Success is not obtained overnight. It comes in instalments; you get a little bit today, a little bit tomorrow until the whole package is given out. The day you procrastinate, you lose that day's success.” Israelmore Ayivor |
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Nov 17 2020, 04:48 PM |
Thank you all for help, and nice and relaxing exercise from Bumblefoot. I will start practicing this one. I think the most effective way is to play this exercise just a tiny fraction behind the beat, just where you risk being in front of the beat, without being in front of the beat, just to develop more control over the beat. I find it that it sounds better when playing a little bit behind the beat than playing in front of the beat. What do you think? Yes, Bumblefoot covers all of this in the video, he says (tongue in cheek), you're better playing the wrong notes behind the beat than the right notes ahead of the beat". He also says that it will always sound better just behind the beat. It's a very relaxing exercise and you can zone out in the right frame of mind. -------------------- SEE MY GMC CERTIFICATE “Success is not obtained overnight. It comes in instalments; you get a little bit today, a little bit tomorrow until the whole package is given out. The day you procrastinate, you lose that day's success.” Israelmore Ayivor |
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Nov 18 2020, 06:27 PM |
Very interesting Ken, Please share your experience in the Chill Out zone, it would be interesting to hear how he was as a teacher It was along time ago and it was only 8 lessons. Just before the DLR gig. We worked on chord voicings and improvisation and talked a lot about music theory and harmony. This included rhythmic studies and a lot of metronome work. Something we did not really get into was technique. At the beginning of my first lesson he asked me what I wanted to learn. I said technique and some of your concept for improvising. He said, "OK lets jam over this progression" (I don't remember what it was). So we played for a bit and he says, "Your technique is fine, just keep practicing whatever you're doing ... and make sure you work with a metronome. Do you know 'how' to work with the metronome?" The rest of that first lesson we clapped along with the metronome and tried to make the clicks disappear. In the subsequent lessons he had me write all the modes of the major scale starting from a common root tone and then find simple two or three chord progressions that are indicative of each mode. He was pretty much all business and if you didn't practice something sufficiently he'd tell you and then tell you that you were wasting your money. It was great experience. Very "real world". This post has been edited by klasaine: Nov 19 2020, 02:41 AM -------------------- - Ken Lasaine
https://soundcloud.com/klasaine2/foolin-the-clouds https://soundcloud.com/klasaine2/surfin-at-the-country-hop Soundcloud assorted ... https://soundcloud.com/klasaine3 New record ... http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/kenlasaine Solo Guitar ... https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXZh...5iIdO2tpgtj25Ke Stuff I'm on ... https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXZh...b-dhb-4B0KgRY-d |
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Nov 18 2020, 06:57 PM |
Interesting, thanks Ken, I think he may have got his teaching method from Satch, apparently he was all business too.
-------------------- SEE MY GMC CERTIFICATE “Success is not obtained overnight. It comes in instalments; you get a little bit today, a little bit tomorrow until the whole package is given out. The day you procrastinate, you lose that day's success.” Israelmore Ayivor |
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Nov 19 2020, 02:43 AM |
Interesting, thanks Ken, I think he may have got his teaching method from Satch, apparently he was all business too. One of the reasons I rarely teach private guitar lessons is that I just can't deal with guys not doing the work. I don't need the money that badly. -------------------- - Ken Lasaine
https://soundcloud.com/klasaine2/foolin-the-clouds https://soundcloud.com/klasaine2/surfin-at-the-country-hop Soundcloud assorted ... https://soundcloud.com/klasaine3 New record ... http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/kenlasaine Solo Guitar ... https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXZh...5iIdO2tpgtj25Ke Stuff I'm on ... https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXZh...b-dhb-4B0KgRY-d |
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