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Posted by: Kristofer Dahl Feb 10 2015, 02:25 PM

Forget about practice routines, long term goals and curricula...

Music is about relaxing and having fun - if you can do these two while playing guitar, you will be a winner.

If you can't yet...then this collab is for you!



BACKING TRACKS:
 Funkit_gmc_collab.mp3 ( 1.38MB ) : 926

 funkit_collab_extended.mp3 ( 12.92MB ) : 653



In this "Funk It!" collab - we'll be able to play whatever we want, using (almost) any scale.

* Want to get into fusion? Try playing outside (=wrong sounding) notes over this backing.

* Maybe you want to try some funk scratching?

* Maybe just a straightforward pentatonic rock solo?

* Or why not write a riff?

This is a very flexible and extremely cool sounding backing track - thanks to http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_forum/index.php?showtopic=53834 and Gab!


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Hints:

* Tempo is 105 bpm
* Deadline is 2015-03-03 ( NB: Extended to 2015-03-10)
* Although this is an audio collab, feel free to video record yourself as this will help you get better feedback.
* When you want to submit your final take, upload files in this topic (mp3 with at least 128 kbps quality, 16 bit wav files are welcome though). We need two files: 1. Your solo without the backing track 2. Your solo mixed with the backing track for reference.

Scale suggestions:

E Mixolydian:
http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/scalegenerator

E minor pentatonic:
http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/scalegenerator

Other scale suggestions: E major pentatonic, E dominant 7 arpeggio, chromatic scale, E minor scale, E phrygian dominant.

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http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_forum/index.php?act=attach&type=post&id=41410

Order or appearance:

GeneT95 + Kristofer Dahl: Dark atmosphere intro
Gabriel Leopardi + Rustix: Jane’s Addiction vibes and bends.
AkRich: Groovy phrasing with some Kristofer’s phrases appearances.
Cael + Phill66 + Rustix: Cael’s phrasing while Phill is funkying and Rustix shreds.
Doug Lane + Kristofer Dahl: Jam section
DeGroot + Procyon: Guitar solo. (with some Little appearance of Rustix and Kris)


Posted by: Sensible Jones Feb 10 2015, 05:40 PM

I'm-a Mother-funker so I'm in!!
biggrin.gif biggrin.gif

Posted by: Kristofer Dahl Feb 10 2015, 05:46 PM

QUOTE (Sensible Jones @ Feb 10 2015, 05:40 PM) *
I'm-a Mother-funker so I'm in!!
biggrin.gif biggrin.gif


FUNK YEAH!!! biggrin.gif I bet that's your van

Posted by: Dieterle Feb 10 2015, 07:36 PM

biggrin.gif as a timing Specialist i always feel a bit funky so i am IN !

rolleyes.gif

Posted by: coffeeman Feb 10 2015, 08:26 PM

This is the perfect collab to get back to the GMC community ! I'm in!

Posted by: Caelumamittendum Feb 10 2015, 08:37 PM

QUOTE (coffeeman @ Feb 10 2015, 09:26 PM) *
This is the perfect collab to get back to the GMC community ! I'm in!


Welcome back, Coffeeman! Good to see you again!

Posted by: Sensible Jones Feb 10 2015, 09:04 PM

QUOTE (Kristofer Dahl @ Feb 10 2015, 05:46 PM) *
FUNK YEAH!!! biggrin.gif I bet that's your van

It might well be!!!
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Posted by: Jim S. Feb 10 2015, 09:39 PM

Ok Guys I took a little stab at this one. I like this track a lot!

Video




The Audio is below

Posted by: Kristofer Dahl Feb 10 2015, 10:20 PM

QUOTE (Jim S. @ Feb 10 2015, 09:39 PM) *
Ok Guys I took a little stab at this one. I like this track a lot!

Video




The Audio is below


blink.gif Why didn't you tell me you're a fusion guy?! biggrin.gif

Wow this was a real fusion attempt, lots of cool ideas in here and solo construction is great. It's awesome to see your diversity!

You do some classic "modern" tricks here (is that a contradiction or what?!) - like contrasting rhythmic staccato sections with smooth legato lines. I haven't really got any comments as far as your solo construction goes - it was interesting to follow in a fusion:esque way.

If you want to go even more fusion you could add unpredictability by changing direction more often in your runs.

So instead of:

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------------7-9-10-------------
------6-7-9-------------------
6-7-9-------------------------
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you could do:

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------------------9-7-10-------------
----9-6-7----6-7----------------
6-7--------9------------------
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The big thing for you is to become more secure in your runs and licks, this is a general comment - the entire thing feels a bit shaky. This is not strange in any way since you delivered a cool idea in just a matter of hours.

But you should really take advantage of the fact that you able to come up with such an interesting mix of ideas - if you can play them convincingly you will blow us all away.

There are several ways to go about this, if you are happy playing the whole thing over and over to the point that you could do it in your sleep - then that's a good method. This works for me if I am really happy with my composition and it stimulates me musically over and over.

If I need to get something down as fast as possible, I will usually break it down in sections. Typically I will have marker points (in my DAW) a bar before each lick. This way I can super effectively practice one lick 10 times in a row over the backing track, and then move on the next.

After just ~15 minutes of practicing I'll be ready to play the whole thing and with a noticeable improvement. If I keep doing this for a couple of days - results can be mind blowing.



Posted by: Kristofer Dahl Feb 10 2015, 10:49 PM

QUOTE (Dieterle @ Feb 10 2015, 07:36 PM) *
biggrin.gif as a timing Specialist i always feel a bit funky so i am IN !

rolleyes.gif


Excellent we need more time keepers wink.gif you are most welcome!

QUOTE (coffeeman @ Feb 10 2015, 08:26 PM) *
This is the perfect collab to get back to the GMC community ! I'm in!


Awesome, welcome back! biggrin.gif I know you have got killer take in store for this one!

QUOTE (Sensible Jones @ Feb 10 2015, 09:04 PM) *
It might well be!!!
laugh.gif


Well thanks for lending it! tongue.gif

Posted by: Jim S. Feb 10 2015, 11:56 PM

QUOTE (Kristofer Dahl @ Feb 10 2015, 04:20 PM) *
blink.gif Why didn't you tell me you're a fusion guy?! biggrin.gif

Wow this was a real fusion attempt, lots of cool ideas in here and solo construction is great. It's awesome to see your diversity!

You do some classic "modern" tricks here (is that a contradiction or what?!) - like contrasting rhythmic staccato sections with smooth legato lines. I haven't really got any comments as far as your solo construction goes - it was interesting to follow in a fusion:esque way.

If you want to go even more fusion you could add unpredictability by changing direction more often in your runs.

So instead of:

---------------------------
------------7-9-10-------------
------6-7-9-------------------
6-7-9-------------------------
---------------------------
---------------------------


you could do:

---------------------------
------------------9-7-10-------------
----9-6-7----6-7----------------
6-7--------9------------------
---------------------------
---------------------------


The big thing for you is to become more secure in your runs and licks, this is a general comment - the entire thing feels a bit shaky. This is not strange in any way since you delivered a cool idea in just a matter of hours.

But you should really take advantage of the fact that you able to come up with such an interesting mix of ideas - if you can play them convincingly you will blow us all away.

There are several ways to go about this, if you are happy playing the whole thing over and over to the point that you could do it in your sleep - then that's a good method. This works for me if I am really happy with my composition and it stimulates me musically over and over.

If I need to get something down as fast as possible, I will usually break it down in sections. Typically I will have marker points (in my DAW) a bar before each lick. This way I can super effectively practice one lick 10 times in a row over the backing track, and then move on the next.

After just ~15 minutes of practicing I'll be ready to play the whole thing and with a noticeable improvement. If I keep doing this for a couple of days - results can be mind blowing.


Hey Kris I love fusion players! Your spot on about zig zagging the line a bit. In a slower context I play some licks like that naturally. But..... I have never practiced those up to real speed. Here at Gmc I've been stumped by many many challenging licks that require a ton more practice to pull off. I'm hypnotized by a couple from Diego Budicin, they are goals of mine.

About my video, I agree also that it seems a bit shaky. 1 problem I have is after playing legato for 15 min my hands need a break. When I recorded this my hands felt like rock climbers hands. "Pumped."
I'm working on posture, stretching and playing on my tippy tips. It does not show in the video because I'm not there technically yet.


I'll take your advice on setting markers and I'll try and Polish this up a bit. Any suggestions on adding 1 small riff during the intro section?

Posted by: Vinman56 Feb 11 2015, 12:02 AM

Awesome to see there are folks that are so in to this one. ill be posting my first take soon. Btw i love that take Jim, thats definitley a promising start.

Posted by: Kristofer Dahl Feb 11 2015, 12:11 AM

QUOTE (Jim S. @ Feb 10 2015, 11:56 PM) *
About my video, I agree also that it seems a bit shaky. 1 problem I have is after playing legato for 15 min my hands need a break. When I recorded this my hands felt like rock climbers hands. "Pumped."
I'm working on posture, stretching and playing on my tippy tips. It does not show in the video because I'm not there technically yet.


Legato is demanding for everybody, and it's great you let your hand rest in between (to avoid injury). However the more relaxed you can play your vibrato, the longer you will be able to play. I pretty much always practice legato so slow I have the time to think about every note, I usually don't go past 16th notes at 60 bpm when practicing with a metronome.

QUOTE (Jim S. @ Feb 10 2015, 11:56 PM) *
I'll take your advice on setting markers and I'll try and Polish this up a bit. Any suggestions on adding 1 small riff during the intro section?


You are thinking about adding a section? Because I think the rhythm you play in the intro is great. It would probably convert well to a lower octave riff if played further down on the neck.

Posted by: Caelumamittendum Feb 11 2015, 01:21 AM

Perhaps a bit too much outside playing:


Posted by: Nick6373 Feb 11 2015, 06:44 AM

Hey everyone, here's my rough take!
I really need to work on the cleanness of the intro tapping...

https://soundcloud.com/nick-peacock-7/funkit-gmc-collab-nick6373-take-1

I really wanted it to sound more 'fusiony'. I just couldn't get anything that sounded good using outside notes sad.gif
Just to clarify outside notes are notes that actually don't fit in the key like blue notes right?

Posted by: Kristofer Dahl Feb 11 2015, 10:40 AM

QUOTE (Caelumamittendum @ Feb 11 2015, 01:21 AM) *
Perhaps a bit too much outside playing:



Thanks Cael, I'm really blown away by the fusion ideas that's coming from you guys! Seems like we got a fusion army here. biggrin.gif

Since this track is much more loose harmony-wise than the last AC/DC style track - opinions coming from me will be even more subjective than before. Hard to tell what's right and wrong in other words.

However, I would in deed have a bit less outside playing and try to come up with some strong melodies in between the outside playing. This will create the needed contrast and make both the 'in' and 'out' shine!

A big improvement suggestion - would be for you to try and swing a little bit more. More groove would add a lot to your take. One way to look at this is to play the same ideas but allow some notes to ring a little longer, inevitably the subsequent note will need to be shorter - and there you get your swing.

You could also just try to learn 1 lick from any swingy lesson at GMC, jam over the backing - and then get back to this backing track and see if you can "import" some groove..!

QUOTE (Nick6373 @ Feb 11 2015, 06:44 AM) *
Hey everyone, here's my rough take!
I really need to work on the cleanness of the intro tapping...

https://soundcloud.com/nick-peacock-7/funkit-gmc-collab-nick6373-take-1

I really wanted it to sound more 'fusiony'. I just couldn't get anything that sounded good using outside notes sad.gif
Just to clarify outside notes are notes that actually don't fit in the key like blue notes right?


Very cool tapping Nick!

Here is how I suggest you go about outside notes:

* Start by finding some cool and *slow* licks in the E dominant arpeggio, or pentatonic scale. These licks should not sound "out", they should sound like cool blues lick. It is important that the licks are not fast, read on to find out why.

* Once you have got cool sounding licks, lets add the outside notes. You should add them in between the notes of the cool sounding licks you just came up with. This will ensure you have a powerful melody to start with, and that the outside notes only add color. You can add *any* note as outside note, you don't need to care about scale names just think "wrong" notes.

Now if you base your melodic ideas on outside notes, you will get into atonal/art music territory and have hard time convincing me (or anyone else for that matter). So the key is to start with something strong sounding and gradually add color/tension. To achieve this you probably need to start with a slow lick so that there is time to add the outside notes in between.

Please let me know if it makes sense?

Posted by: Dieterle Feb 11 2015, 09:41 PM

Hi Guys , after a hard days gone some funky feeling on to go wink.gif

[attachment=40937:Funky_1_.mp3]

Posted by: Jim S. Feb 11 2015, 11:15 PM

QUOTE (Caelumamittendum @ Feb 10 2015, 07:21 PM) *
Perhaps a bit too much outside playing:



Hey I like this, there is something very unique about the first few licks before the whole tone run. I'd suggest experimenting with one of them and loop that lick with one with more notes from the chord. Back and forth, in then out.

I like the whole tone run but possibly double the speed or shorten the duration and get right back to the chord. I am no expert on whole tone and can barely play it so that may not make any sense. Either way good job!

QUOTE (Vinman56 @ Feb 10 2015, 06:02 PM) *
Awesome to see there are folks that are so in to this one. ill be posting my first take soon. Btw i love that take Jim, thats definitley a promising start.


Hey Vinman thanks for writing this backing and kind words. How did this backing come to life?

Posted by: Vinman56 Feb 12 2015, 05:04 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSY2_7Kbsak

just one of my favorite funk fusion songs ever. a little extra inspirationn wink.gif

...btw if anyone can figure out what scales theyre using in this song i would love to know

Posted by: Caelumamittendum Feb 12 2015, 06:13 PM

Improvement? Can't get the ending right though.



EDIT: Video is just black here, try this link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBek9gi6Zos

Posted by: Vinman56 Feb 12 2015, 08:47 PM

QUOTE (Jim S. @ Feb 11 2015, 10:15 PM) *
Hey I like this, there is something very unique about the first few licks before the whole tone run. I'd suggest experimenting with one of them and loop that lick with one with more notes from the chord. Back and forth, in then out.

I like the whole tone run but possibly double the speed or shorten the duration and get right back to the chord. I am no expert on whole tone and can barely play it so that may not make any sense. Either way good job!



Hey Vinman thanks for writing this backing and kind words. How did this backing come to life?


not really sure. i was just messing around one day and kind of played it by accident. one of those deals. i usually record whenever i jam even if im not trying to write. you never know when a cool riff will come about and if you dont record its easy to forget it. luckily i happened to get this one on a recording

Posted by: Phil66 Feb 12 2015, 10:15 PM

Just found this, been so busy lately. I'm in, this is even harder than the AC/DC collab rolleyes.gif

Cheers

Phil

Posted by: Caelumamittendum Feb 12 2015, 10:53 PM

Alright, sorry for spamming takes, but I think I'm edging closer to something I like:


Posted by: Kristofer Dahl Feb 12 2015, 11:55 PM

QUOTE (Dieterle @ Feb 11 2015, 09:41 PM) *
Hi Guys , after a hard days gone some funky feeling on to go wink.gif

[attachment=40937:Funky_1_.mp3]


Thanks Dieterle,

I think you made interesting use of your timing issues - the swing timing which you are working to get rid of (or at least control) works on this kind of backing. I think the very first lick sounded good.

Until you have made some progress in Gab's timing mentoring threads - there are some things you can do:

* Your lead guitar is very loud compared to the backing. Since your take is full timing issues - I would probably do the opposite: try to mix it lower.

* If you added vibrato to all those sustained notes they would come to life. If your fingers aren't up to it yet, you could do it with tremolo/whammy bar if you have one. Press the bar in cycles of quarters or eighths notes.

If you played steady quarter notes with some vibrato, that would be a great foundation for a musical solo. If you nail that, then you can add some crazier stuff on top of it and get away with it. This is why your work with Gab's timing exercises is so important.

If you got the basics down (timing and pitch), then mistakes you do on top of that can pass unnoticed.

QUOTE (Caelumamittendum @ Feb 12 2015, 10:53 PM) *
Alright, sorry for spamming takes, but I think I'm edging closer to something I like:



Cool - yes this sounds better to me. The main difference I hear is that you feel more secure about your runs, and this a has a general effect on the take as a whole.

Your vibrato sounds better than in the previous collab, and the first one at 00:05 is really cool. I did however react on your vibratos being very similar throughout the take. I would try to do them differently.

My favorite way of phrasing a vibrato is probably to start with little vibrato (or none) and then gradually increase it. In the beginning this is easier to test with really long notes where you have time to think.

As usual a good way to get inspiration here, is to check out other players, and see how they phrase their vibratos.

Posted by: Kristofer Dahl Feb 13 2015, 09:44 AM

QUOTE (Vinman56 @ Feb 12 2015, 05:04 AM) *
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSY2_7Kbsak

just one of my favorite funk fusion songs ever. a little extra inspirationn wink.gif

...btw if anyone can figure out what scales theyre using in this song i would love to know


Yeah thanks again Vinman, we ended up with a really cool backing! biggrin.gif I hope to hear atake form you as well!

I am horribly bad at figuring out what others do since I haven't done it for almost 10 years (and I was not very good at it back then either). However I would guess they go through a lot of different scales in there. Is there a specific section you are wondering about?

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Feb 14 2015, 02:00 AM

QUOTE (Vinman56 @ Feb 12 2015, 01:04 AM) *
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSY2_7Kbsak

just one of my favorite funk fusion songs ever. a little extra inspirationn wink.gif

...btw if anyone can figure out what scales theyre using in this song i would love to know



Hi Vinman, tha song is mostly based on Mixolydian mode. The verse motif is based around G7 chord and this chord is the root chord of Mixolydian mode. This means that the main scale suggested in this collab is shown in action in this song. The is a riff section that modulates to C (0:48). This riff is in C blues scale, but as soon as they harmonize it (giving a Zeppelin vibe), it becomes C mixolydian.

They also use a lot of blues scale over G7, and I note that they sometimes empathize the b5 giving the phrasing a "Lydian" feel.

The phrasing used there is very interesting. Sometimes they add some chromatic notes as passing notes and I also note that they like playing "sixths" giving it a bluesy vibe. Check out this lesson to know that I mean by Mixolydian sixths: http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/ls/Mixolydian-Sixths-RnB/

And also give a look at this funk lesson that combines Mixolydian with Pentatonic Minor: http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/ls/Funk_Fusion_Phrasing/

Posted by: Kristofer Dahl Feb 14 2015, 11:08 PM

I jammed over this one today, and I gravitated towards these two scales:

E minor:
http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/scalegenerator

E Phrygian dominant:
http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/scalegenerator

As mentioned you can pretty much get away with anything over this backing, and I tend to prefer the sound of minor scales.

Posted by: Procyon Feb 15 2015, 06:56 PM

This is what I came up with so far. There are some timing issues and I am not sure about the sound - I made some experiments in Garage Band with rather strange amp combinations... biggrin.gif

 gmcFunkCollabProcyonDraft.wav ( 6.25MB ) : 272
 

Posted by: Vinman56 Feb 15 2015, 07:02 PM

Couldnt have said it better Phil. That sounded awesome...and youre right the funk one is tough. so many different way to go with it

Posted by: Vinman56 Feb 15 2015, 07:33 PM

hey ive been using this MTSR app on my phone which is working great but is there a way for me to import the backing file on to the app? right now im just playing the backing thru my computer speakers and recording it with the phone and using the other three tracks to record my guitar parts. im not very computer savoy. so if there is a better way to do this im all ears...or in this case eyes i guess

Posted by: Bogdan Radovic Feb 15 2015, 11:42 PM

QUOTE (Vinman56 @ Feb 15 2015, 07:33 PM) *
hey ive been using this MTSR app on my phone which is working great but is there a way for me to import the backing file on to the app? right now im just playing the backing thru my computer speakers and recording it with the phone and using the other three tracks to record my guitar parts. im not very computer savoy. so if there is a better way to do this im all ears...or in this case eyes i guess


Hi Vinman56, I don't have this app installed on my phone but when checking out this video on youtube it seems you should be able to use the "load/import" function (by the sound of it) to import an audio track/file, check it out here: http://youtu.be/6gCKyETkcog?t=40s

Please let me know if that works?

Posted by: Kristofer Dahl Feb 15 2015, 11:47 PM

QUOTE (Procyon @ Feb 15 2015, 06:56 PM) *
This is what I came up with so far. There are some timing issues and I am not sure about the sound - I made some experiments in Garage Band with rather strange amp combinations... biggrin.gif


Thanks Procyon. As usual I think your solo construction skills are great, and I really like how you develop this theme and intensify it until the end! The rhythm scratch stuff is soo cool! biggrin.gif

00:12 - end of run is a little off.

00:21 - fast run sounds a bit uneven

00:24 - pitch problem, or Kirk Hamm:ish vibrato . Not sure witch!

Tonewise I would probably want something a little warmer and less treblish. I think the current sound works ok for the scratchy/funky stuff but it makes the runs sound a little thin.

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Btw since we're seeing so many cool fusion takes here - Gab is working on an extended version of the backing so that we can treat this collab more as an improv workshop . I'll get back soon about this.

Posted by: DeGroot Feb 15 2015, 11:55 PM

Hey, this what I came up with so far. Tried to get some funkiness in my take.

https://soundcloud.com/degroot-2/funk-it

Posted by: Kristofer Dahl Feb 16 2015, 12:16 AM

QUOTE (DeGroot @ Feb 15 2015, 11:55 PM) *
Hey, this what I came up with so far. Tried to get some funkiness in my take.

https://soundcloud.com/degroot-2/funk-it


Thanks Degroot,

Ideas- and construction- wise this take is spot on to me! It's really interesting to follow and listen to.

* The phrases starting at 00:04, 00:15, 00:17 stick out to me though. These excepted, your take is spot on. But here I can somehow sense your left hand (?) is slowing down things, probably because these phrases are legato based.

One way to solve it is just to "brute force" - practice over and over. When doing so you should focus on the left hand, and maybe try practicing slowly without using any picking at all - to make sure your left hand finger is capable of having a leading role.

Another quicker solution (and I tend to gravitate towards these kind of solutions myself, just to get more productive) - is to rethink the way you play those passages. And maybe to do more picking, or why not try to funk scratch them somehow (you might need to adjust the idea for that) - since you do that so well.

* Mix - to me your guitar sound is a bit loud compared to backing. I suspect lowering it will raise the over all impression of your take and 'glue it' to the rest of the backing.

Posted by: Todd Simpson Feb 16 2015, 12:21 AM

Todd here!! GOOD NEWS! You can import ANY tracks that are in your phones music library. Your iphone is also an IPOD as I"m sure you know wink.gif So connect it to your computer and import that backing track in to itunes and put it on your phone.

From there you can import any tracks in your phone itunes library in to MTS smile.gif Make sense?

Also, what kind of computer do you have? IT may be easier to skip the phone and use your computer smile.gif

Todd






QUOTE (Vinman56 @ Feb 15 2015, 02:33 PM) *
hey ive been using this MTSR app on my phone which is working great but is there a way for me to import the backing file on to the app? right now im just playing the backing thru my computer speakers and recording it with the phone and using the other three tracks to record my guitar parts. im not very computer savoy. so if there is a better way to do this im all ears...or in this case eyes i guess

Posted by: Vinman56 Feb 16 2015, 04:13 AM

QUOTE (Todd Simpson @ Feb 15 2015, 11:21 PM) *
Todd here!! GOOD NEWS! You can import ANY tracks that are in your phones music library. Your iphone is also an IPOD as I"m sure you know wink.gif So connect it to your computer and import that backing track in to itunes and put it on your phone.

From there you can import any tracks in your phone itunes library in to MTS smile.gif Make sense?

Also, what kind of computer do you have? IT may be easier to skip the phone and use your computer smile.gif

Todd


all i have is a chrome book. I cant really do much besides surf the web on it its pretty lame laptop.... but its very cheap. that worked perfect though thats exactly what i was asking thank you

Posted by: Vinman56 Feb 16 2015, 05:36 AM

here is my first take. im trying to expand my reach a bit without losing the funk feel..its proving to be pretty damn difficult but this is kind of what im hearing anyway. as always needs plenty of polishing but ill worry about tht later

...the rythym got messed up again when i mixed it down im gonna re post it

 Funk_It_First_Take_mix.m4a ( 545.8K ) : 173
 

Posted by: Nick6373 Feb 16 2015, 08:54 AM

QUOTE (DeGroot @ Feb 15 2015, 10:55 PM) *
Hey, this what I came up with so far. Tried to get some funkiness in my take.

https://soundcloud.com/degroot-2/funk-it

very nice, I love your bends. Also really nice ghost notes/scratching!

Here's my second take. It's more or less the same as my first one except it's cleaner. I kinda wanna scrap this solo, it seems too uncreative and basic too me but I'm honestly stuck... I can't think of anything I like. I also feel like the tapping is maybe a bit excessive? I'm also having A LOT of trouble attempting to incorporate outside notes inside of my solo (you can tell obviously since it's all A mixolydian) it all sounds like garbage when I try to do it. Your advice did make sense though Kris I just can't do it xd.
 Funkit_gmc_collab2.mp3 ( 568.25K ) : 191




Posted by: Kristofer Dahl Feb 16 2015, 10:20 AM

ATTENTION -

There is a now an extended version of the backing track available http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_forum/index.php?act=attach&type=post&id=41009.


This version is intended for those of you who want to practice their jamming/improvising skills. I am currently having a blast over this backing track and I would seriously recommend you try it as well!

QUOTE (Vinman56 @ Feb 16 2015, 05:36 AM) *
here is my first take. im trying to expand my reach a bit without losing the funk feel..its proving to be pretty damn difficult but this is kind of what im hearing anyway. as always needs plenty of polishing but ill worry about tht later

...the rythym got messed up again when i mixed it down im gonna re post it


Ok, when you repost please lower the volume of your guitar in the mix. It will do your take much more justice.

There are some interesting ideas int here, I am looking forward to hearing the fixed version.

QUOTE (Nick6373 @ Feb 16 2015, 08:54 AM) *
very nice, I love your bends. Also really nice ghost notes/scratching!

Here's my second take. It's more or less the same as my first one except it's cleaner. I kinda wanna scrap this solo, it seems too uncreative and basic too me but I'm honestly stuck... I can't think of anything I like. I also feel like the tapping is maybe a bit excessive? I'm also having A LOT of trouble attempting to incorporate outside notes inside of my solo (you can tell obviously since it's all A mixolydian) it all sounds like garbage when I try to do it. Your advice did make sense though Kris I just can't do it xd.
 Funkit_gmc_collab2.mp3 ( 568.25K ) : 191


Here's an idea: At 00:11 you land on a bent note after the tapping lick.

What if you just move that whole tapping lick a fret down or up, but still land on the same strong note? You will then be doing outside playing by the book: first a fast 'out' passage followed by a strong note.

Just be sure when doing this, that you don't repeat the "out" version of the tapping lick for too long. As mentioned, it is best to play outside just for a short period - especially in the beginning.

Let me know if this makes sense, and if you can apply it?

Posted by: DeGroot Feb 17 2015, 01:05 AM

QUOTE (Kristofer Dahl @ Feb 15 2015, 11:16 PM) *
Thanks Degroot,

Ideas- and construction- wise this take is spot on to me! It's really interesting to follow and listen to.

* The phrases starting at 00:04, 00:15, 00:17 stick out to me though. These excepted, your take is spot on. But here I can somehow sense your left hand (?) is slowing down things, probably because these phrases are legato based.

One way to solve it is just to "brute force" - practice over and over. When doing so you should focus on the left hand, and maybe try practicing slowly without using any picking at all - to make sure your left hand finger is capable of having a leading role.

Another quicker solution (and I tend to gravitate towards these kind of solutions myself, just to get more productive) - is to rethink the way you play those passages. And maybe to do more picking, or why not try to funk scratch them somehow (you might need to adjust the idea for that) - since you do that so well.

* Mix - to me your guitar sound is a bit loud compared to backing. I suspect lowering it will raise the over all impression of your take and 'glue it' to the rest of the backing.


Thanks for the feedback Kris. That is great you pointed out my left hand. Indeed when I playing those licks without picking my left hand seems weak. It is an eye opener for me and will be a good thing to practice slowly for strengthening my left hand. I'll make a new recording before the deadline and maybe tweak some of the parts a bit more.


QUOTE (Nick6373 @ Feb 16 2015, 07:54 AM) *
very nice, I love your bends. Also really nice ghost notes/scratching!

Here's my second take. It's more or less the same as my first one except it's cleaner. I kinda wanna scrap this solo, it seems too uncreative and basic too me but I'm honestly stuck... I can't think of anything I like. I also feel like the tapping is maybe a bit excessive? I'm also having A LOT of trouble attempting to incorporate outside notes inside of my solo (you can tell obviously since it's all A mixolydian) it all sounds like garbage when I try to do it. Your advice did make sense though Kris I just can't do it xd.
 Funkit_gmc_collab2.mp3 ( 568.25K ) : 191


Thanks for the comment Nick! I never played much Funk before but it a fun track to jam with.

I also think you solo sounds pretty cool! I think fits the track quite well.

Posted by: Todd Simpson Feb 17 2015, 03:42 AM

Happy to help! smile.gif Chrome book eh? NO PROBLEM!! smile.gif CHECK THIS OUT!!!

http://soundation.com/studio

Entirely web based recording/mixing. GIve it a go smile.gif



Todd


QUOTE (Vinman56 @ Feb 15 2015, 11:13 PM) *
all i have is a chrome book. I cant really do much besides surf the web on it its pretty lame laptop.... but its very cheap. that worked perfect though thats exactly what i was asking thank you

Posted by: Jim S. Feb 17 2015, 05:26 AM

Alright guys I tried to clean this up a bit and took Kris's advice and put some markers in. I did not get a full take through but did write the parts again keeping the principal licks in mind.

https://soundcloud.com/jim-seekford-music/funk-it-2


Posted by: Kristofer Dahl Feb 17 2015, 11:27 AM

QUOTE (Jim S. @ Feb 17 2015, 05:26 AM) *
Alright guys I tried to clean this up a bit and took Kris's advice and put some markers in. I did not get a full take through but did write the parts again keeping the principal licks in mind.

https://soundcloud.com/jim-seekford-music/funk-it-2


Very cool Jim, the lick at 00:20 is approaching fusion-pro sounding (whatever that means ph34r.gif ).

As your chops get more fluid so should your sound, it's currently a bit harsh and does not match those fluid lines.

Some tips/brainstorming - you obviously need a certain amount of treble to cut through. However I suggest you be careful with the treble in the ~2K-9K region. And go for the "presence" region instead which is above that.

Also be a bit careful with reverb - too much of reverb that is different from the one Gab used for the backing, will make your sound clash with the backing.

I have pointed out some specifics below -but I don't really think any of the 'mistakes' are serious. I still think you should get more secure about the take as a whole. You have squeezed in a lot of different kind of neat ideas in there, we need to hear that you mean ' em all! A mistake here and there can be a good thing, provided the take as a whole feels solid!

So the biggest improvement is for you to get confident with the take, I don't want to get the impression you're trying to 'catch up' constantly. So in other words keep practicing like you have done so far!

00:05 - percussive scratched notes could be more aggressive here, play it like you mean it!
00:17 - run could be cleaner
00:25 - there is room to improve bending accuracy here

Posted by: Vinman56 Feb 17 2015, 04:31 PM

QUOTE (Todd Simpson @ Feb 17 2015, 02:42 AM) *
Happy to help! smile.gif Chrome book eh? NO PROBLEM!! smile.gif CHECK THIS OUT!!!

http://soundation.com/studio

Entirely web based recording/mixing. GIve it a go smile.gif



Todd


thx this is great. the only thing is i cant seem to record the guitar with my headphones plugged in and if i dont do that then backing track bleeds over into the guitar track.

Posted by: Bogdan Radovic Feb 17 2015, 05:53 PM

QUOTE (Vinman56 @ Feb 17 2015, 04:31 PM) *
thx this is great. the only thing is i cant seem to record the guitar with my headphones plugged in and if i dont do that then backing track bleeds over into the guitar track.


What happens when you plug in your headphones?
Do you get any sound (backing track) or the sound still comes out of the loudspeakers even though you have the headphones plugged in?

Posted by: Vinman56 Feb 18 2015, 12:22 AM

QUOTE (Bogdan Radovic @ Feb 17 2015, 04:53 PM) *
What happens when you plug in your headphones?
Do you get any sound (backing track) or the sound still comes out of the loudspeakers even though you have the headphones plugged in?


no the backing track plays through the headphones. the mic doesnt seem to work when the headphones are plugged in for some reason. idk maybe im just doing something dumb lol

Posted by: Bogdan Radovic Feb 18 2015, 11:24 AM

QUOTE (Vinman56 @ Feb 18 2015, 12:22 AM) *
no the backing track plays through the headphones. the mic doesnt seem to work when the headphones are plugged in for some reason. idk maybe im just doing something dumb lol


Maybe try going to Settings>Recording Settings and see if the correct input is selected as "microphone" here: http://screencast.com/t/ljaBYY8PYT9j

Posted by: Jim S. Feb 18 2015, 04:10 PM

QUOTE (Kristofer Dahl @ Feb 17 2015, 05:27 AM) *
Very cool Jim, the lick at 00:20 is approaching fusion-pro sounding (whatever that means ph34r.gif ).

As your chops get more fluid so should your sound, it's currently a bit harsh and does not match those fluid lines.

Some tips/brainstorming - you obviously need a certain amount of treble to cut through. However I suggest you be careful with the treble in the ~2K-9K region. And go for the "presence" region instead which is above that.

Also be a bit careful with reverb - too much of reverb that is different from the one Gab used for the backing, will make your sound clash with the backing.

I have pointed out some specifics below -but I don't really think any of the 'mistakes' are serious. I still think you should get more secure about the take as a whole. You have squeezed in a lot of different kind of neat ideas in there, we need to hear that you mean ' em all! A mistake here and there can be a good thing, provided the take as a whole feels solid!

So the biggest improvement is for you to get confident with the take, I don't want to get the impression you're trying to 'catch up' constantly. So in other words keep practicing like you have done so far!

00:05 - percussive scratched notes could be more aggressive here, play it like you mean it!
00:17 - run could be cleaner
00:25 - there is room to improve bending accuracy here


Hey Kris I'll keep working on this and try to make this take more believable. Thanks for your honesty.



Posted by: Procyon Feb 18 2015, 07:24 PM

QUOTE (Kristofer Dahl @ Feb 15 2015, 11:47 PM) *
Thanks Procyon. As usual I think your solo construction skills are great, and I really like how you develop this theme and intensify it until the end! The rhythm scratch stuff is soo cool! biggrin.gif

00:12 - end of run is a little off.

00:21 - fast run sounds a bit uneven

00:24 - pitch problem, or Kirk Hamm:ish vibrato . Not sure witch!

Tonewise I would probably want something a little warmer and less treblish. I think the current sound works ok for the scratchy/funky stuff but it makes the runs sound a little thin.


Thanks a lot, Kris! As usual I really like the way you give detailed feedback. I will try to improve these points (especially the witch! laugh.gif )

Posted by: Kristofer Dahl Feb 18 2015, 08:41 PM

Hehe yes those two things sound kinda similar..! ph34r.gif

Posted by: Caelumamittendum Feb 18 2015, 09:06 PM

 Funk_it_with_backing.mp3 ( 1.26MB ) : 198


For Gabriel chat.

Posted by: GeneT95 Feb 18 2015, 11:54 PM

I was wondering if someone could post the Chord progression.......so I can learn the backing track along with trying to solo over it. My ear is still training and although I can 'fake' some of them, I still have trouble getting them done correctly.


Posted by: Todd Simpson Feb 19 2015, 02:06 AM

When the little window pops up that lets you choose your mic input, make sure you pick the right OUTPUT as well smile.gif it should be set to HEADPHONE OUT if you are using headphones. IS that the setting your using?

QUOTE (Vinman56 @ Feb 17 2015, 11:31 AM) *
thx this is great. the only thing is i cant seem to record the guitar with my headphones plugged in and if i dont do that then backing track bleeds over into the guitar track.


Bingo!! smile.gif Well said Bogdan!! Did you get the software a try?

QUOTE (Bogdan Radovic @ Feb 18 2015, 06:24 AM) *
Maybe try going to Settings>Recording Settings and see if the correct input is selected as "microphone" here: http://screencast.com/t/ljaBYY8PYT9j

Posted by: Kristofer Dahl Feb 19 2015, 08:33 PM

QUOTE (GeneT95 @ Feb 18 2015, 11:54 PM) *
I was wondering if someone could post the Chord progression.......so I can learn the backing track along with trying to solo over it. My ear is still training and although I can 'fake' some of them, I still have trouble getting them done correctly.


I think chords are mostly E7 and A7, you can see how Vinman played it http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_forum/index.php?s=&showtopic=53834&view=findpost&p=705672.

When jamming over this one I don't really think about the chords, it has floating feel and there is no real progression happening. Let's see what Gab says.

Here is my take over the extended backing track, I used pretty much all of the scales suggested.


Posted by: AK Rich Feb 19 2015, 09:11 PM

blink.gif What what!! biggrin.gif You are like some kind of mad scientist with that thing man! A couple of times during that track I was reminded of this jam. maybe it was the tone, I don't know for sure. Good stuff man!


Posted by: bleez Feb 19 2015, 09:52 PM

QUOTE (Kristofer Dahl @ Feb 19 2015, 07:33 PM) *
Here is my take over the extended backing track, I used pretty much all of the scales suggested.


holy crap! that was seriously amazing dude. that kinda blew me away ohmy.gif
Ive never seen / heard one of those guitars before, they sound great. Ive gotsta try one of those bad boys smile.gif

Posted by: Phil66 Feb 19 2015, 10:15 PM

Ok folks, sorry I'm so late coming into this one. Here's my first attempt. I couldn't think of anything for a long time, then, the backing somehow reminded me of a very basic piece I did called "Nora's Walk" (See this thread http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_forum/index.php?s=&showtopic=53694&view=findpost&p=704397 go to the picture of the scary lady for an explanation and to hear the track, the link is below the pic) laugh.gif

Any advice greatly appreciated. The silly note at the end, which is obviously a total mistake, makes me smile every time I hear it, I think of Tom and Jerry, Jerry is walking out of his mouse hole and spots Tom glaring at him, "eek" laugh.gif

https://soundcloud.com/gmcphil-1/funkit-collab

Thanks for this one, I'm really enjoying these collabs, no matter how bad I sound I enjoy them cool.gif

Phil

Posted by: Sensible Jones Feb 19 2015, 10:33 PM

Well, I started out with something that was more traditional proper Funk that has slowly evolved and is now crying out for some more Nuno styled lines, so that's where I'm now headed. Will have a sketch recorded over the weekend sometime!!
smile.gif

Posted by: Vinman56 Feb 19 2015, 10:55 PM

ya im not sure why but every time i merge the tracks on MTSR one of the tracks gets pushed ahead of the beat. sorry to be a pain about this i just cant figure it out

Posted by: GeneT95 Feb 19 2015, 11:06 PM

Thanks Kristofer. I got it.

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Feb 19 2015, 11:36 PM

QUOTE (GeneT95 @ Feb 18 2015, 07:54 PM) *
I was wondering if someone could post the Chord progression.......so I can learn the backing track along with trying to solo over it. My ear is still training and although I can 'fake' some of them, I still have trouble getting them done correctly.


Hi Gene, here I wrote the tab with chords that I played in this backing:



 Funky_Chords.gp5 ( 6.1K ) : 138

Posted by: GeneT95 Feb 20 2015, 06:47 PM

Gabriel, thanks for the tab. I really appreciate it.

Posted by: Kristofer Dahl Feb 20 2015, 10:04 PM

QUOTE (Phil66 @ Feb 19 2015, 10:15 PM) *
Ok folks, sorry I'm so late coming into this one. Here's my first attempt. I couldn't think of anything for a long time, then, the backing somehow reminded me of a very basic piece I did called "Nora's Walk" (See this thread http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_forum/index.php?s=&showtopic=53694&view=findpost&p=704397 go to the picture of the scary lady for an explanation and to hear the track) laugh.gif

Any advice greatly appreciated. The silly note at the end, which is obviously a total mistake, makes me smile every time I hear it, I think of Tom and Jerry, Jerry is walking out of his mouse hole and spots Tom glaring at him, "eek" laugh.gif

https://soundcloud.com/gmcphil-1/funkit-collab

Thanks for this one, I'm really enjoying these collabs, no matter how bad I sound I enjoy them cool.gif

Phil


Cool Phil - concept wise this is good. Your take "fills the holes" and would work well in a band kind of situation. I already have your melody stuck in my head, it is a great addition to the backing track riff.

If you want to structure or it more like a lead, I would suggest starting with the 00:23 type of licks earlier.

The last note rocks! biggrin.gif If you can improve the rest of the take - that one will sound completely on purpose and very cool/provocative. Throwing in something weird stuff after a strong passage is a really cool trick, and right up my alley.

Playing wise there are some missed notes from 00:25. The first section (00:00-00-25) feels slightly "stiff" - try practicing it some more and think about a relaxed right hand.

All in all well done - and congratulations for exploring new territory, this is what will take you forward even if it feels tricky.

Posted by: Phil66 Feb 20 2015, 10:38 PM

Thanks Kris.

Ok here is another version, I've put the mouse squeak on at the end cool.gif

Thanks for your help.

https://soundcloud.com/gmcphil-1/funkit-collab20022015


Phil

Posted by: Kristofer Dahl Feb 20 2015, 10:47 PM

QUOTE (Phil66 @ Feb 20 2015, 10:38 PM) *
Thanks Kris.

Ok here is another version, I've put the mouse squeak on at the end cool.gif

Thanks for your help.

https://soundcloud.com/gmcphil-1/funkit-collab20022015


Phil


Excellent - this all sounds really cool to my ears. SOund and playing is much improved, and I really like the ending part now! Very well done!

You are ready to start exploring the extended backing version now! ph34r.gif

-----

Thanks so much Bleez and AK for your great comments on my take. I am having a blast exploring new territory - and this backing track is perfect to try new weird note choices. Here is an analysis with some scale examples.



00:11-00:20, 03:03-03:06, chromatic scale

01:00-01:10, E aeolian/ minor scale. I used this one extensively throughout the solo, but this passage really showcases it with emphasis on the minor third note.

03:15-03:25, E major pentatonic

05:22-05:30, E phrygian dominant

Another trick I did throughout to explore new sounds, was to play triad arpeggios taken from the E minor or E major scale. But my landing note after the arpeggios would be a really weird and 'out' note (and then typically I would add vibrato/bending to that weird note).

The idea here is that if you just play a random out note, it will just sound strange. But if you do it after a couple of strong notes (arpeggio notes) then it will sound like you did it on purpose, and a bit jazzy. This rhymes well with what I told Phil about "throwing in something weird stuff after a strong passage".

QUOTE (Sensible Jones @ Feb 19 2015, 10:33 PM) *
Well, I started out with something that was more traditional proper Funk that has slowly evolved and is now crying out for some more Nuno styled lines, so that's where I'm now headed. Will have a sketch recorded over the weekend sometime!!
smile.gif


Great, I am looking forward to it! biggrin.gif

Posted by: Todd Simpson Feb 20 2015, 11:53 PM

Lets hear it for midi controllers! NIcely done man! I'm gonna use mine on a collab after seeing this. Inspiring!!

QUOTE (Kristofer Dahl @ Feb 19 2015, 03:33 PM) *
I think chords are mostly E7 and A7, you can see how Vinman played it http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_forum/index.php?s=&showtopic=53834&view=findpost&p=705672.

When jamming over this one I don't really think about the chords, it has floating feel and there is no real progression happening. Let's see what Gab says.

Here is my take over the extended backing track, I used pretty much all of the scales suggested.



Posted by: AK Rich Feb 21 2015, 02:14 AM

Hey guys and gals! It has been a while since I took part in a collab here so I think with this backing it is time to jump back in. I had a lot of fun playing along with this one as well as the extended backing. Much thanks to Vinman56, Gabriel, Kris and all the rest of the crew that may have had a part in making this collab happen and for providing solid feedback to all who take part! Looking forward to some feedback and thanks again for the cool jam track!

https://soundcloud.com/richatthelake66/funkit-collab

[attachment=41029:funkit_collab.mp3]

[attachment=41030:funkit_collab_nb.mp3]




Posted by: AK Rich Feb 21 2015, 05:22 AM

QUOTE (Jim S. @ Feb 16 2015, 08:26 PM) *
Alright guys I tried to clean this up a bit and took Kris's advice and put some markers in. I did not get a full take through but did write the parts again keeping the principal licks in mind.

https://soundcloud.com/jim-seekford-music/funk-it-2


Yo Jim, nice take man! I especially like the run starting at the 11 second mark, and the run at the 20 second mark as well. cool.gif Both of those runs, especially the first reminded me of Greg Howe. very tasty morsels!

Posted by: Caelumamittendum Feb 21 2015, 02:52 PM

As suggested by Gabriel in Wednesday's chat, I changed the long middle section a bit:

 Funk_it_without_backing.mp3 ( 857.08K ) : 129
 Funk_it_with_backing.mp3 ( 857.08K ) : 158
 

Posted by: Jim S. Feb 21 2015, 03:57 PM

Alrighty guys here is Third Take. I know I need to polish the beginning part but I guess I'm still writing the framework for it. What do you think? The Reverb is turned down too.

QUOTE (AK Rich @ Feb 20 2015, 11:22 PM) *
Yo Jim, nice take man! I especially like the run starting at the 11 second mark, and the run at the 20 second mark as well. cool.gif Both of those runs, especially the first reminded me of Greg Howe. very tasty morsels!


I just saw your nice comets! Thanks. Greg is a big part of what I listen to. Or I shall say used too. I listened to greg a lot but his playing is just so crazy.... Thanks Man!

QUOTE (AK Rich @ Feb 20 2015, 08:14 PM) *
Hey guys and gals! It has been a while since I took part in a collab here so I think with this backing it is time to jump back in. I had a lot of fun playing along with this one as well as the extended backing. Much thanks to Vinman56, Gabriel, Kris and all the rest of the crew that may have had a part in making this collab happen and for providing solid feedback to all who take part! Looking forward to some feedback and thanks again for the cool jam track!

https://soundcloud.com/richatthelake66/funkit-collab

[attachment=41029:funkit_collab.mp3]

[attachment=41030:funkit_collab_nb.mp3]


Whoa..... That's awesome. I love that tone, it's throaghty balzy and cutting. This is very unique and has a lot of different colors and themes!

Posted by: GeneT95 Feb 21 2015, 08:40 PM

I decided to tackle the whole enchilada. It's a long track, but I wanted to push it some. This is all a single take, warts and all without overdubs or fixes. I like large portions of what I did, but my timing suffered here and there, definitely near the end where I think I was getting a bit fatigued.

I used mostly E Aeolian but mixed was a fair amount of major tonalities. E, B, and A, along with minor phrasing intermixed for all. Here and there I did fiddle with phrygian.

First, the Enchilada.

https://soundcloud.com/shallowlines/funkcollab1l

And then a little sauce or bad guacamole (depedning on where you bite)

https://soundcloud.com/shallowlines/funkcollab1solo

Edit: I resaved the file of the Whole Enchilada a little louder. I had the slider low as I was listening through monitors when I saved it. I left the solo only track alone.

Posted by: Phil66 Feb 21 2015, 10:15 PM

QUOTE (Kristofer Dahl @ Feb 20 2015, 09:47 PM) *
Excellent - this all sounds really cool to my ears. SOund and playing is much improved, and I really like the ending part now! Very well done!

You are ready to start exploring the extended backing version now! ph34r.gif


Thanks for your kind comments Kris. I've just had a go with the extended version, ouch, it was like going into world war III only armed with a hand gun. Not enough ammunition to cope. Bit too advanced for me at the moment. Sorry.

I think I'll try to improve the short version for now, that is hard enough for me with it being something I'm not used to at all one little bit tongue.gif

Phil

Posted by: Kristofer Dahl Feb 21 2015, 11:09 PM

QUOTE (AK Rich @ Feb 21 2015, 02:14 AM) *
Hey guys and gals! It has been a while since I took part in a collab here so I think with this backing it is time to jump back in. I had a lot of fun playing along with this one as well as the extended backing. Much thanks to Vinman56, Gabriel, Kris and all the rest of the crew that may have had a part in making this collab happen and for providing solid feedback to all who take part! Looking forward to some feedback and thanks again for the cool jam track!

https://soundcloud.com/richatthelake66/funkit-collab

[attachment=41029:funkit_collab.mp3]

[attachment=41030:funkit_collab_nb.mp3]


Awesome to see you in a collab again AK! biggrin.gif

Your ideas here are solid as usual. There is unpredictability, for example the unexpected slide in the beginning and the occasional 'out' but very cool note choice. Your playing is groovy as well which is important over a funk backing such as this one.

The biggest problem I see are small timing issues that are all over the take, your chops are not quite up to par with all the cool ideas you have. This might be further amplified by the fact that you have two equally loud leads in your mix (?)

Examples: 00:04-00:05, 00:09, 00:16 - 00:18

The timing issues often coincide with sloppier playing / missed notes, and this is quite common. It clearly shows those licks must be practiced slowly first with relaxed technique.

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00:23 16th note run - here I would personally like to see you try some other idea, since you have already done this type of run. It could pass in an improvised take, but for a written solo I would want to see something more inspired there.

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Finally a comment regarding sound: I think a less heavy metal sound would lift your take and better suit the backing. Maybe try to find a sound with softer treble and a bit more sensitive to dynamics.

QUOTE (Caelumamittendum @ Feb 21 2015, 02:52 PM) *
As suggested by Gabriel in Wednesday's chat, I changed the long middle section a bit:


Yes this is definitely improvement from structural perspective. BUT about you previous take:

QUOTE (Caelumamittendum @ Feb 18 2015, 09:06 PM) *
[http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_forum/index.php?act=attach&type=post&id=41022]

For Gabriel chat.


You vibrato on the first sustained note (00:04) is top notch in this previous take. It's subtle but perfect to me. On your most recent take the vibrato is just a bend. The reason it sounded so good on the previous version was because you gradually increased depth of the vibrato, this is a beautiful trick. You should try to recreate this, and use is a lot! Vibrato at 00:23 is also amazing (in previous take).

Cael - please see if you can get control of this and record another take where you try to do it on every sustained note just for the sake of practicing. If you get it down all other 'mistakes' will be excused and I think we'll have a pro sounding take. I am anxiously waiting to hear how this works out for you.

QUOTE (Jim S. @ Feb 21 2015, 03:57 PM) *
Alrighty guys here is Third Take. I know I need to polish the beginning part but I guess I'm still writing the framework for it. What do you think? The Reverb is turned down too.


Cool Jim, my feedback will be similar to AK's. I think both of you are full of killer ideas - you just need to work on taming the beast and getting better control of your chops (as mentioned before).

I think that by replacing the first section you got rid the problematic part were your playing sounding a bit choppy, though the original idea was neat as well.

The new section has good content, but in my opinion a little too much of it. I think you have squeezed in too many ideas and need to kill 1-2 darlings wink.gif

Posted by: Kristofer Dahl Feb 21 2015, 11:35 PM

QUOTE (GeneT95 @ Feb 21 2015, 08:40 PM) *
I decided to tackle the whole enchilada. It's a long track, but I wanted to push it some. This is all a single take, warts and all without overdubs or fixes. I like large portions of what I did, but my timing suffered here and there, definitely near the end where I think I was getting a bit fatigued.

I used mostly E Aeolian but mixed was a fair amount of major tonalities. E, B, and A, along with minor phrasing intermixed for all. Here and there I did fiddle with phrygian.

First, the Enchilada.

https://soundcloud.com/shallowlines/funkcollab1l

And then a little sauce or bad guacamole (depedning on where you bite)

https://soundcloud.com/shallowlines/funkcollab1solo

Edit: I resaved the file of the Whole Enchilada a little louder. I had the slider low as I was listening through monitors when I saved it. I left the solo only track alone.


Excellent Gene - that's a fine dish with lovely sauce indeed! biggrin.gif

You did great here.

Intro was excellent - my advice to others wanting to give this a go is to plan some specific licks for the intro, even if you plan on improvising throughout the rest of the take.

After that, the most important thing is that you follow the dynamics of the backing. If you get this, then you will realize you don't need to come up with a million new ideas (nobody can), instead you can re-use ideas but play the softer when backing is soft, louder when backing get intense etc.

And you did a great job following dynamics of the backing. You could improve it further by working with the volume knob. I had problems with my synth take because volume knob works differently and I could not really get that change in dynamics which is possible with guitar + tube amp.

You also did great exploring interesting note choices, and that really helped keeping your lines fresh throughout.

Towards the end, I started getting the impression you were running out of ideas (and so did I btw biggrin.gif ). Maybe plan a few borrowed famous melodies to use when you run out of ideas, that's what the great jazz sax players used to do. Good thing with this is that you don't really need to play that borrowed melody true to the original, on the contrary it's good if you mess it up and make it your own to the point that it can barely be recognized.

All in all this was a very good take.

I personally felt that just by working on a improvised take I expanded my horizons - it really forces you to make effective use of what you have already learnt, and get creative with variations etc. Remember many great guitarist play variations of their 5-10 favorite patterns 90% of the time (random numbers just to exemplify).

So to others thinking about giving this a shot - do it! Even if your take sounds bad to you, we will be able to give you feedback that hopefully can open your eyes to the possibilities (without needing to learn lots of new stuff). Also you don't need to solo over the entire thing, just a section is enough.


Posted by: GeneT95 Feb 22 2015, 12:22 AM

I thought I'd comment on a few sounds/licks I liked about certain tracks. I rarely listen to other submission before posting. All the great playing gets into my head and I cop the notes.

DeGroot - I liked the double stops esp around 13 seconds

Jim - I dug the lines between 11-16 and those following 19 seconds

Cael - I liked your ending of the second take starting around 20 seconds. I thought this ending was better structured, at least to my ears. Your other endings were cool too, but this one I felt flowed better.

Procyon - I've burned an effigy in your likeness to steal your motif solo'ing. Taking a line and changing it just enough to pull me along to the end and finish with coolness. I'm kidding really, I didn't burn an effigy in your likeness. I'd never do something like that myself. There is plenty of people on Ebay that'll do it for you for a small fee. If your second string breaks mid-riff, I had nothing to do with it.

Cheers.

Edit : Thanks Kristofer for the comments and tips. I may punch in/out record a couple of sections for practice. I think I shoulda came in a little earlier with the phrygian mode to mix things up after I had that short time in E major. I also decided to play chordal swells/stuff at certain times, at least the loudest middlelish section, and let them carry the tune while putting my faster lines when the energy was high but not necessarily the highest. It let the bass and drums riffs show instead of playing over them and making it muddy. I like Gabriel's funky guitar stuff. Plus it gave me a break. My guitar is strung with 12's and I haven't got the stamina i used to yet.

And that midi guitar is Hot...........how many dates did that thing buy you? Just askin.

Posted by: DeGroot Feb 22 2015, 06:28 AM

Hey guys, Here is a new 'unpolished' version. Still kept the scratchy/muted kinda funky feel in this take. BTW, I was inspired by the takes I heard here. I have never heard anything quite like Kris' take with the midi controller and use of different modes. Very cool stuff! My intention is to practice this take a bit more and record something along with any suggestions about the tone and phrasing. Thanks!

https://soundcloud.com/degroot-2/funk-it-2

Posted by: AK Rich Feb 22 2015, 08:11 AM

QUOTE (Kristofer Dahl @ Feb 21 2015, 02:09 PM) *
Awesome to see you in a collab again AK! biggrin.gif

Your ideas here are solid as usual. There is unpredictability, for example the unexpected slide in the beginning and the occasional 'out' but very cool note choice. Your playing is groovy as well which is important over a funk backing such as this one.

The biggest problem I see are small timing issues that are all over the take, your chops are not quite up to par with all the cool ideas you have. This might be further amplified by the fact that you have two equally loud leads in your mix (?)

Examples: 00:04-00:05, 00:09, 00:16 - 00:18

The timing issues often coincide with sloppier playing / missed notes, and this is quite common. It clearly shows those licks must be practiced slowly first with relaxed technique.

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00:23 16th note run - here I would personally like to see you try some other idea, since you have already done this type of run. It could pass in an improvised take, but for a written solo I would want to see something more inspired there.

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Finally a comment regarding sound: I think a less heavy metal sound would lift your take and better suit the backing. Maybe try to find a sound with softer treble and a bit more sensitive to dynamics.


Hey Kris! Thanks a lot for the feedback man, I really appreciate all the detail you put into it. Your comments made me wonder about a couple of things so I have a few questions for you.
I did indeed record and use two takes to try and get that bigger layered type of thing happening. And those two takes are definitely not played exactly the same. Also I got lazy and in a hurry I think to post something here and I had actually planned on doing a few more takes to get things tighter and those first two were still actually in the idea stage. Ok enough excuses rolleyes.gif biggrin.gif

Anyway, my first question is this.
Would it be a better idea to just clone the best take into another channel and move it in the timeline by a couple milliseconds to get a better layered effect rather than trying to play it exactly the same in both takes?
Or should I just buckle down and get it nice and tight for two takes and maybe change the tone slightly for one of them?
Any other suggestions on layering?

You mentioned the run/idea at the 23 second mark being done already and I was wondering what part you were comparing it to? The lick at 10 seconds or the next lick starting at about 13 seconds? I am just not sure which 2 parts you were comparing there.
Maybe I could change the first instance instead? Either way I am not married to the take although I did want to use the lydian b7 or mixo #4 that I played starting at the 10 second mark somehow.

It is interesting to me that you found the tone to be heavy on the treble side or maybe it is just too heavy overall. I actually thought the same especially when I listen to the take without the backing. Funny thing is that I actually boosted the tone thru the mids and highs after the fact with an EQ in my DAW because I thought it was a little muddy and maybe had too much bottom. biggrin.gif I don't have a good set of studio monitors and usually just use some headphones and my desktop speakers to mix or try and fix tone issues.
I think I am just going to try a different tone altogether like you suggest, something not quite so heavy. Something gainy but not too distorted I think is what you are suggesting?

One more question that is a bit off topic if that's ok. And this is concerning my DAW, which is Reaper by the way. And this is something I don't remember being a problem when I first started using it.
Anyway, it seems that after I record a take, the overall gain or volume seem to be increased and is clipping even though the backing by itself , or the guitar take by itself does not clip. Any ideas on what may be causing this? I have been having to reduce the levels in the main mix to fix the issue and/or the seperate guitar track as well sometimes even though either track doesn't clip by itself, like when one track or the other is muted. I am still pretty much a newbie at recording. rolleyes.gif

Thanks again man! I really appreciate and respect your opinion.

PS: Feel free to shoot me a PM if you don't want to clog up this thread any more than I have already started to. biggrin.gif Or maybe the answers to some of my questions could benefit others here somehow.

Posted by: Kristofer Dahl Feb 22 2015, 06:00 PM

QUOTE (DeGroot @ Feb 22 2015, 06:28 AM) *
Hey guys, Here is a new 'unpolished' version. Still kept the scratchy/muted kinda funky feel in this take. BTW, I was inspired by the takes I heard here. I have never heard anything quite like Kris' take with the midi controller and use of different modes. Very cool stuff! My intention is to practice this take a bit more and record something along with any suggestions about the tone and phrasing. Thanks!

https://soundcloud.com/degroot-2/funk-it-2


I think ideas just as last are very good. And from what I can hear (your lead is mixed very low) your playing is spot on until 00:17, after that I can hear the fast runs need more practicing.

Also, a suggestion is to play the very last line (starting at 00:26) higher up on the neck if you can. The idea is to give everything here, so that you effectively take the listener to a climax.


QUOTE (AK Rich @ Feb 22 2015, 08:11 AM) *
Hey Kris! Thanks a lot for the feedback man, I really appreciate all the detail you put into it. Your comments made me wonder about a couple of things so I have a few questions for you.
I did indeed record and use two takes to try and get that bigger layered type of thing happening. And those two takes are definitely not played exactly the same. Also I got lazy and in a hurry I think to post something here and I had actually planned on doing a few more takes to get things tighter and those first two were still actually in the idea stage. Ok enough excuses rolleyes.gif biggrin.gif

Anyway, my first question is this.
Would it be a better idea to just clone the best take into another channel and move it in the timeline by a couple milliseconds to get a better layered effect rather than trying to play it exactly the same in both takes?
Or should I just buckle down and get it nice and tight for two takes and maybe change the tone slightly for one of them?
Any other suggestions on layering?


This is a really cool idea to experiment with, however it is a bit of an unusual thing to do for quirky lead lines and in a way I think you are making it way to difficult for yourself.

Bare in mind that I am having big problems achieving two perfectly synced takes with fairly simple riffs, I would never even bother with a lead line such as this one.

As for getting a thick sound you can come a very long way with stereo delay + reverb.

However you can also experiment as you suggested by coping the take into a new track, create the delay effect manually by moving it and then apply a pitch shift. It might even be worth experimenting with pitch correction for more unpredictability, though this doesn't work well for double stops.

I will get back later this evening to answer your other questions!

Posted by: AK Rich Feb 22 2015, 06:41 PM

QUOTE (Kristofer Dahl @ Feb 22 2015, 09:00 AM) *
This is a really cool idea to experiment with, however it is a bit of an unusual thing to do for quirky lead lines and in a way I think you are making it way to difficult for yourself.

Bare in mind that I am having big problems achieving two perfectly synced takes with fairly simple riffs, I would never even bother with a lead line such as this one.

As for getting a thick sound you can come a very long way with stereo delay + reverb.

However you can also experiment as you suggested by coping the take into a new track, create the delay effect manually by moving it and then apply a pitch shift. It might even be worth experimenting with pitch correction for more unpredictability, though this doesn't work well for double stops.

I will get back later this evening to answer your other questions!


Thanks Kris, Meanwhile, since I have some free time today, I think I will try and a find a more suitable tone to work with and also try some other ideas I have for runs with the backing.

Posted by: GeneT95 Feb 22 2015, 07:18 PM

AK Rich, I've a few ideas to share on double tracking. I'm sure we have all read how sound engineers may create 'thicker' sound by double tracking, or more, certain guitar parts. And in the last collab, ACDC, I actually doubled the lead track mainly to practice some techniques and see how it works in my DAW. But, as usual, take my comments with a grain of salt as I've no real experience aside from my limited use.

Double tracking a guitar part by playing it twice, as Kristofer posted, is way outside my technical skill and probably will always be outside my skill range unless it is a very simple line. So my comments are in regard to 'duplicating' one guitar track rather than doubling it for real.

1. Double a guitar track and pan the tracks left and right either all the way or in some degree but keep them identical in time. This can actually 'thicken' the sound as our brain does funky stuff with it. Although, you have to decrease the volume of both tracks so as not to clip the output.

2. Double the track, pan them to some degree opposite each other and then put a 5 or 8 band EQ on one track modifying one track's tonality. Try pushing the 800K up +1 to +3 or scoop it a little by adding a second bump somewhere between 125 and 250 while dipping around 500k. You won't hear separate tracks but a thicker sound as our brain hears one instrument since they are running in the same time but the tracks have a different tonal character. Use small adjustments at first and a fair amount of panning to check it out. Maybe have one track push everything above 800k and the second everything below 500K while keeping the rest flat on the 5/8 Band EQ.

3. If you are going to double the track and then move it slightly in time to the original, you really need to play dry or with very little delay/reverb. Essentially, by moving the track in time you are creating Delay and Reverb by hand. If the track already has delay and reverb, you end up adding delay/reverb to the delay and reverb already in the track, which generally creates bad things and bad sound. I've read that some will record both wet and dry signals and keep them in time but just add enough of the dry signal so that pick attack and articulation is improved or the guitar sound regains what is lost by the 'wet' track.

4. Generally, try to get the guitar to sound as close to what you want as possible first without manipulation. I pushed the sound around a little with double tracking/panning/subtle eq adjustments on the ACDC collab as I didn't spend the time to really get what I wanted out of my equipment. Whereas on the Funk Collab, I really tried to get the guitar to sound as I wanted first by fiddling with the amp tone controls, gain, the degree of Wah peddle sweep, and which pickup configuration and guitar tone control setting sounded best to my ears. As such, there is no post recording manipulation, doubling, or panning of the guitar track I recorded for Funk. I've found that I may be able to make a track more pleasing with manipulation but if it sounds off to start I can only get so much out of it in the end.

Hope some of this makes sense. And again, it's just my opinion on where to start in exploring EQ and guitar tracking ideas.

Posted by: AK Rich Feb 22 2015, 07:54 PM

You have some interesting points here Gene , thanks man. I think this is something I am just going to have to bag for now until after I have done quite a bit more experimenting with and also shake off some rust from not really getting enough practice and playing time in lately. The latter being something I should probably be more focused on currently. It was worth a shot though. smile.gif

Posted by: Kristofer Dahl Feb 22 2015, 09:47 PM

QUOTE (AK Rich @ Feb 22 2015, 08:11 AM) *
You mentioned the run/idea at the 23 second mark being done already and I was wondering what part you were comparing it to? The lick at 10 seconds or the next lick starting at about 13 seconds? I am just not sure which 2 parts you were comparing there.
Maybe I could change the first instance instead? Either way I am not married to the take although I did want to use the lydian b7 or mixo #4 that I played starting at the 10 second mark somehow.


I was referring to the one at 13 seconds which starts the same way as 00:23. The fact that they start the same way is good and it gives continuity to the solo. But I would add some rhythmical twist to the long descending run starting at 00:23, to make it more unpredictable. This is a matter of taste though, and many improvised solos by fusion greats will be structured similarly to your take.

QUOTE (AK Rich @ Feb 22 2015, 08:11 AM) *
It is interesting to me that you found the tone to be heavy on the treble side or maybe it is just too heavy overall. I actually thought the same especially when I listen to the take without the backing. Funny thing is that I actually boosted the tone thru the mids and highs after the fact with an EQ in my DAW because I thought it was a little muddy and maybe had too much bottom. biggrin.gif I don't have a good set of studio monitors and usually just use some headphones and my desktop speakers to mix or try and fix tone issues.
I think I am just going to try a different tone altogether like you suggest, something not quite so heavy. Something gainy but not too distorted I think is what you are suggesting?


Also bare in mind that when you add two takes together it will sound different compared to the tone you dialed in for one guitar - this is why a good metal sound often has much less distortion than people think - because when you add layers, distortion adds up in an unpredictable way.

QUOTE (AK Rich @ Feb 22 2015, 08:11 AM) *
One more question that is a bit off topic if that's ok. And this is concerning my DAW, which is Reaper by the way. And this is something I don't remember being a problem when I first started using it.
Anyway, it seems that after I record a take, the overall gain or volume seem to be increased and is clipping even though the backing by itself , or the guitar take by itself does not clip. Any ideas on what may be causing this? I have been having to reduce the levels in the main mix to fix the issue and/or the seperate guitar track as well sometimes even though either track doesn't clip by itself, like when one track or the other is muted. I am still pretty much a newbie at recording. rolleyes.gif


This is normal behavior. Typically people will record their audio as close to 0 dB as possible (though this is not really needed if your audio interface supports 24 bit). The audio of your two takes + the backing (which peaks almost at 0 dB) adds up and you will get a super hot signal on the master bus.

What I do in this situation is not to lower the master bus, but instead select all the different channels in your mixer and lower them all at once. Remember that raising levels at the end of the production is easily done with a limiter (and its not even needed for collab purposes, I can simply raise the volume of my speakers instead when listening to your take).

Posted by: Jim S. Feb 22 2015, 09:47 PM

QUOTE (AK Rich @ Feb 22 2015, 01:54 PM) *
You have some interesting points here Gene , thanks man. I think this is something I am just going to have to bag for now until after I have done quite a bit more experimenting with and also shake off some rust from not really getting enough practice and playing time in lately. The latter being something I should probably be more focused on currently. It was worth a shot though. smile.gif



Hey man here is a clip of a doubled part that is one tick away from each other. The audio is two tracks, one copied and then nudged off by one tick. Each track is panned differently. The left is a little more center but still a little left and the right track is more past center but not full right.

https://soundcloud.com/division-bridge/burn-grooves-first-ideas-1


Something that I found is that if you pan too much you will swallow a huge chunk of space and as it will sound spacey and ambient it may not cut through a metal track or something very angry. Even moving them slightly off center has a big impact in its character. Placing the tracks too far away will sound very jumbled and strange. Experiment Dear Watson!

Posted by: Kristofer Dahl Feb 22 2015, 09:49 PM

QUOTE (Todd Simpson @ Feb 20 2015, 11:53 PM) *
Lets hear it for midi controllers! NIcely done man! I'm gonna use mine on a collab after seeing this. Inspiring!!


Thanks Todd, I will start a new thread about these - it's a very interesting topic. I'd like to know your impressions of guitar controllers.

QUOTE (GeneT95 @ Feb 22 2015, 12:22 AM) *
And that midi guitar is Hot...........how many dates did that thing buy you? Just askin.


Man they come crawling after me wherever I go, you wouldn't believe it biggrin.gif

Posted by: AK Rich Feb 23 2015, 12:07 AM

QUOTE (Kristofer Dahl @ Feb 22 2015, 12:47 PM) *
I was referring to the one at 13 seconds which starts the same way as 00:23. The fact that they start the same way is good and it gives continuity to the solo. But I would add some rhythmical twist to the long descending run starting at 00:23, to make it more unpredictable. This is a matter of taste though, and many improvised solos by fusion greats will be structured similarly to your take.



Also bare in mind that when you add two takes together it will sound different compared to the tone you dialed in for one guitar - this is why a good metal sound often has much less distortion than people think - because when you add layers, distortion adds up in an unpredictable way.



This is normal behavior. Typically people will record their audio as close to 0 dB as possible (though this is not really needed if your audio interface supports 24 bit). The audio of your two takes + the backing (which peaks almost at 0 dB) adds up and you will get a super hot signal on the master bus.

What I do in this situation is not to lower the master bus, but instead select all the different channels in your mixer and lower them all at once. Remember that raising levels at the end of the production is easily done with a limiter (and its not even needed for collab purposes, I can simply raise the volume of my speakers instead when listening to your take).


Ah ok I see what you mean now. Thanks for the clarification. I'll tinker around with it a bit and see what I can come up with for that part. Maybe some different phrasing is in order here. And maybe the tone won't be too bad if I only do one track. I will be playing around with it just the same though.
Thanks for the heads up about the clipping issue. I did some searching on the site last night and found a great post on recording by our sound guru Tony Miro where he touched on this. I was thinking maybe I had inadvertently changed a setting somehow but it looks like all is well with my DAW and I just need to adjust some levels a bit like you are saying.
Here is a link to his post that has a bunch of good tips in case anyone else is interested. I believe point (d) addresses my issue.

http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_forum/index.php?showtopic=45843&view=findpost&p=604494

I think the main thing I need to worry about at this point is just to tighten up the chops the best I can with maybe a tweak in phrasing here and there and maybe tone tweak as well.

Thanks Kris! you have been a big help man!

Posted by: AK Rich Feb 23 2015, 01:03 AM

QUOTE (Jim S. @ Feb 22 2015, 12:47 PM) *
Hey man here is a clip of a doubled part that is one tick away from each other. The audio is two tracks, one copied and then nudged off by one tick. Each track is panned differently. The left is a little more center but still a little left and the right track is more past center but not full right.

https://soundcloud.com/division-bridge/burn-grooves-first-ideas-1


Something that I found is that if you pan too much you will swallow a huge chunk of space and as it will sound spacey and ambient it may not cut through a metal track or something very angry. Even moving them slightly off center has a big impact in its character. Placing the tracks too far away will sound very jumbled and strange. Experiment Dear Watson!


Hey Jim thanks man, that' a pretty cool riff/idea you have there. If you hadn't told me it was doubled I don't think I would have known.
I know what you mean about how things can be made to sound very ambient when you get carried away with the panning. Most of the time when I have tried mixing tracks it has been when I have added a harmony to a lead line I had previously played. When I have done this in the past I have panned one track left and one right, both about the same , maybe somewhere from 20 to 25 percent. I think maybe that was even a bit much I don't know. When I have cloned a track into another channel it really didn't seem to make much difference to me unless I moved one of them in the timeline slightly.Your results seem to be much more subtle than mine were. I guess I probably moved it too much. I really like the effect you can get from doing this kind of thing so I will be experimenting more for sure. Thanks man!
Here is another collab that I took part in a while back where I experimented with some layers and harmonies on 2 seperately recorded takes. Some of the guys in this collab will remember this one. smile.gif Some of the other guys got much better results I think with mixing their lead harmonies.


Posted by: Jim S. Feb 24 2015, 02:12 PM

I'm working everyday on stretching and getting ready to play these licks and I'm not getting anywhere fast which is expected. I found a few ways to play the beginning of this solo and one of my ways shich isn't recorded I really like it has a bit of angst and rushes the funkiness.

This is a newer take with newer mistakes....


Posted by: Kristofer Dahl Feb 24 2015, 11:20 PM

QUOTE (Jim S. @ Feb 24 2015, 02:12 PM) *
I'm working everyday on stretching and getting ready to play these licks and I'm not getting anywhere fast which is expected. I found a few ways to play the beginning of this solo and one of my ways shich isn't recorded I really like it has a bit of angst and rushes the funkiness.

This is a newer take with newer mistakes....



I think this is a definite improvement in terms of playing like you meant all those funky ideas, so you are going in the right direction and progress pace feels good to me! biggrin.gif

One more indication this is going well, is that for the first time here I react on your vibrato being a weaker link. Don't get me wrong - there is nothing wrong with your vibrato. It's just that you have constructed a cool and unpredictable fusion solo, yet your vibrato is just ~one level above Kirk Hammet. You need something more crazy to go with this style of solo. Suggestions:

* When you end a phrase on a staccato note (usually followed by silence), why not give that note a final shake/bend. For example you could apply this on the very first licks.

* at 00:25 you have a much deeper vibrato. I think it's really cool that you apply *different* kinds of vibratos throughout the solo. Do more of that. Also on a general note, I personally prefer this deeper kind of vibrato.

* Something which would sound really cool, which you could do when you have a longer sustained note to work with. Is to gradually develop the vibrato from 0 (so its barely audible the first ~half second). For example 00:06 would be a cool place to do this.

Go go go go!! It is very exciting to follow your progress biggrin.gif

Posted by: AK Rich Feb 25 2015, 12:27 AM

Ok , I made a few changes in the ideas for my take here, especially the end of it. It still needs work for sure , especially the last tapping run.
I need to get it smoother by nailing the hammerons from nowhere while shifting strings but I wanted to get some feedback on the idea before I went much further. Thanks!

https://soundcloud.com/richatthelake66/funkit-collab-2

Posted by: Jim S. Feb 25 2015, 12:53 AM

QUOTE (Kristofer Dahl @ Feb 24 2015, 05:20 PM) *
I think this is a definite improvement in terms of playing like you meant all those funky ideas, so you are going in the right direction and progress pace feels good to me! biggrin.gif

One more indication this is going well, is that for the first time here I react on your vibrato being a weaker link. Don't get me wrong - there is nothing wrong with your vibrato. It's just that you have constructed a cool and unpredictable fusion solo, yet your vibrato is just ~one level above Kirk Hammet. You need something more crazy to go with this style of solo. Suggestions:

* When you end a phrase on a staccato note (usually followed by silence), why not give that note a final shake/bend. For example you could apply this on the very first licks.

* at 00:25 you have a much deeper vibrato. I think it's really cool that you apply *different* kinds of vibratos throughout the solo. Do more of that. Also on a general note, I personally prefer this deeper kind of vibrato.

* Something which would sound really cool, which you could do when you have a longer sustained note to work with. Is to gradually develop the vibrato from 0 (so its barely audible the first ~half second). For example 00:06 would be a cool place to do this.

Go go go go!! It is very exciting to follow your progress biggrin.gif


Ah I can honestly say I see, hear and agree about the vibrato. I never gave too much thought about it because I always seem to vibrato when I can but your right it's all one level unless I'm aware of when and how I'm gonna do it.

The intro is pretty shaky but if I add a little vibrato it may pick this whole thing up. My next take will be my final take no matter what so let's get crazzzzzzzy with it!

Posted by: Kristofer Dahl Feb 25 2015, 09:46 PM

QUOTE (AK Rich @ Feb 25 2015, 12:27 AM) *
Ok , I made a few changes in the ideas for my take here, especially the end of it. It still needs work for sure , especially the last tapping run.
I need to get it smoother by nailing the hammerons from nowhere while shifting strings but I wanted to get some feedback on the idea before I went much further. Thanks!

https://soundcloud.com/richatthelake66/funkit-collab-2


haha that new ending is amazing - extremly cool and 'out' sounding! biggrin.gif It does not sound like you are very far from nailing that section. Sound is now better as well.

Go go go!

Posted by: AK Rich Feb 25 2015, 10:45 PM

QUOTE (Kristofer Dahl @ Feb 25 2015, 12:46 PM) *
haha that new ending is amazing - extremly cool and 'out' sounding! biggrin.gif It does not sound like you are very far from nailing that section. Sound is now better as well.

Go go go!


Thanks alot Kris! Glad you like it man, ok gotta go practice! smile.gif

PS: How about some inspiration from a band I was recently turned on to . Dumpstaphunk! "Sheez Music."


Posted by: Jim S. Feb 26 2015, 08:57 PM

https://soundcloud.com/jim-seekford-music/funk-it-1million-1


Alright I just let it fly a bit and tried to get a little percussive with it and remain a live improvish quality.

QUOTE (AK Rich @ Feb 24 2015, 06:27 PM) *
Ok , I made a few changes in the ideas for my take here, especially the end of it. It still needs work for sure , especially the last tapping run.
I need to get it smoother by nailing the hammerons from nowhere while shifting strings but I wanted to get some feedback on the idea before I went much further. Thanks!

https://soundcloud.com/richatthelake66/funkit-collab-2


This my friend is a great take! Nice Job

Posted by: Kristofer Dahl Feb 27 2015, 07:57 PM

QUOTE (Jim S. @ Feb 26 2015, 08:57 PM) *
https://soundcloud.com/jim-seekford-music/funk-it-1million-1


Alright I just let it fly a bit and tried to get a little percussive with it and remain a live improvish quality.


Thanks Jim, the 'live' approach is a good one which can really lift a stiff take.

However in this case, your previous take (the one with video) was superior.

In order to go for the jam approach, you need to step down a level and only go for licks you are completely comfortable with. But the weird thing is - it can actually sound better and more "pro" than when you try to play a constructed solo where you play stuff bordering your level. And when you think about it - its pretty logic.

Perhaps you want to jam a bit over the backing track without including any fancy stuff at all, just go for some pentatonics or anything you are comfortable with. Record yourself, and then listen back to it and see if you can merge some of those jam ideas with your written solo to construct something that's both original (you already got that part covered) and smooth flowing (this is what you need to work on).

Posted by: AK Rich Feb 27 2015, 08:28 PM

QUOTE (Jim S. @ Feb 26 2015, 11:57 AM) *
https://soundcloud.com/jim-seekford-music/funk-it-1million-1


Alright I just let it fly a bit and tried to get a little percussive with it and remain a live improvish quality.



This my friend is a great take! Nice Job


Thanks Jim! I really appreciate that. smile.gif Thanks to Kris pushing me a bit I think I am going to end up with something decent here.
I think that you could end up with a really great take if you can take all the best ideas that you have shown us ,( and there are many) and put them together. My favorite take by you is still the first one I commented on before . Athough there are very good ideas on all your takes, I am looking forward to hearing your best ideas put together on a final master take of glory! biggrin.gif

Posted by: GeneT95 Feb 27 2015, 09:09 PM

Jim S : I'd have to agree with Kris regarding your last take. I thought your previous take/video was fantastic. So much so, I sat down with the video for quite some time and tried to pick apart what you were doing and learn the lines because I really like the sound/construction and flow.

Posted by: Jim S. Feb 28 2015, 02:46 AM

You know it sure means a lot to me that I get the feedback I get here. It's really easy to just wing it but seeing that I really do want to be better it helps to have real criticism. So thanks guys and I will take all the words and try to put out a next take to my best ability, even if it's not that fast.

Peace out homies

Posted by: Jim S. Feb 28 2015, 04:53 AM

Alright so I decided to ditch all the licks I was trying to play so well and began again. I also went back to my old school setup and ditched Amplitube for a min as a test result. Please tell me what you think about this tone compared to my old takes. I may just be racking by brain on this tune...... cant ....stop.... recording!!!!!!!

As for the licks I did try to let some notes ring a bit longer and kept an effort to control my vibrato. Anyways let me know if I'm on a better path.

https://soundcloud.com/jim-seekford-music/funk-it-4


Btw GeneT95 thats awesome man. That's really cool that you were digging the video. I do believe that I can be spontaneously inspired to play certain things and sometimes they come out great. Reproducing them in a spirited way is tough for me. It just takes time I guess. Thanks that made my day!

Posted by: Kristofer Dahl Feb 28 2015, 10:49 AM

Hey Jim - yes this could very well be a winning strategy! This last take felt pretty natural to me.

I would advise to jam away on this one for a few days without worrying about recording. Because when you have pressure to record your mind will work differently and so will your playing be. This can be a good thing, but I always give myself a couple of days practicing without such pressure when working on new recordings - as it allows me to experiment more (in a way that's not natural to do when you have pressure to record a great take).

I felt some run/lick endings caught you a bit by surprise, for example at 00:04 and 00:12. I think the cure here is simply to jam more, and when jamming try to come up variations so that you end the runs on different notes/ways each time. The idea is to not have any structured parts.

Also throughout the take, see if you can play as much behind the beat as possible. If you can pull this off it will raise your playing to a new level. You play slightly before the beat.

It's very exciting to follow your progress! cool.gif

Posted by: AK Rich Mar 1 2015, 10:10 PM

Hey guys, I am not going to be able to do anything more with my take and will just submit the last one that I did for the collab. I have been getting bad news all week concerning one of my uncles battle with liver cancer, and last night he lost that battle. Because of that I really haven't been in the right frame of mind to practice and record lately. So here are the files for my latest take. Thanks Kris for the push to make my first attempt better. And thanks to the other students who provided good feedback concerning my take and recording tips.

[attachment=41147:funkit_collab_2.mp3]

[attachment=41148:funk_collab_2nb.mp3]




Posted by: Kristofer Dahl Mar 1 2015, 11:00 PM

Thanks for the guitar-only file AK, and I am sorry to hear about your uncle! sad.gif

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So who else is in? Deadline is approaching!

Posted by: Vinman56 Mar 2 2015, 02:54 PM

QUOTE (Kristofer Dahl @ Mar 1 2015, 10:00 PM) *
Thanks for the guitar-only file AK, and I am sorry to hear about your uncle! sad.gif

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So who else is in? Deadline is approaching!

sorry for my lack of particioation on this one. im gonna try and psot a take tn

Posted by: Rustix Mar 3 2015, 02:31 PM

Hi Kristoper.. I just want to know how long is the limit (days) for this collab smile.gif

Greetings....

Posted by: Kristofer Dahl Mar 3 2015, 02:54 PM

QUOTE (Rustix @ Mar 3 2015, 02:31 PM) *
Hi Kristoper.. I just want to know how long is the limit (days) for this collab smile.gif

Greetings....


The deadline is set to for today. But since we added an additional jam track, I think we can extend it to 2015-03-10.

Would be awesome to hear your take, are you planning to record on the long or short backing track?

Posted by: Sensible Jones Mar 3 2015, 04:14 PM

QUOTE (Kristofer Dahl @ Mar 3 2015, 02:54 PM) *
The deadline is set to for today. But since we added an addition jam track, I think we can extend it to 2015-03-10.

Thanks for this Kris, I will definitely get something done now!!
smile.gif

Posted by: Procyon Mar 3 2015, 08:20 PM

QUOTE (Kristofer Dahl @ Mar 3 2015, 02:54 PM) *
The deadline is set to for today. But since we added an additional jam track, I think we can extend it to 2015-03-10.


Great news! I have absolutely no time now - but I hope that I will be ready until 03-10. Thanks!

Posted by: Phil66 Mar 3 2015, 08:28 PM

First of all my thoughts are with you and yours AK Rich.

Sorry but I couldn't think of anything more than this so here is the solo and with backing including the mouse squeak tongue.gif The mouse squeak has the drum backing because I didn't save the solo guitar for some stoopid reason mad.gif

[attachment=41160:FunkIt_c..._backing.wav]

[attachment=41161:FunkIt_c...b_guitar.wav]

Cheers

Phil


Posted by: Rustix Mar 3 2015, 09:18 PM

QUOTE (Kristofer Dahl @ Mar 3 2015, 08:54 AM) *
The deadline is set to for today. But since we added an additional jam track, I think we can extend it to 2015-03-10.

Would be awesome to hear your take, are you planning to record on the long or short backing track?


Yes I am planning in short backing trk (i think) i don't now how is long (i'll check it out) ....I hope to achieve it in the time limit ... smile.gif

( what I have to send? Audio only, guitar track, video ...? ...)

Posted by: Kristofer Dahl Mar 3 2015, 09:57 PM

QUOTE (Phil66 @ Mar 3 2015, 08:28 PM) *
First of all my thoughts are with you and yours AK Rich.

Sorry but I couldn't think of anything more than this so here is the solo and with backing including the mouse squeak tongue.gif The mouse squeak has the drum backing because I didn't save the solo guitar for some stoopid reason mad.gif

[attachment=41160:FunkIt_c..._backing.wav]

[attachment=41161:FunkIt_c...b_guitar.wav]

Cheers

Phil


Excellent Phil, I think it turned out really cool. biggrin.gif

I get Hendrix vibes (Electric Ladyland) - is he perhaps an inspiration? Very well done!

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@ Procyon & Sensible, excellent - I am really looking forward to your takes!

QUOTE (Rustix @ Mar 3 2015, 09:18 PM) *
Yes I am planning in short backing trk (i think) i don't now how is long (i'll check it out) ....I hope to achieve it in the time limit ... smile.gif

( what I have to send? Audio only, guitar track, video ...? ...)


We need two files - your solo without the backing track and your solo mixed with the backing track for reference.

Can't wait to hear what you come up with! biggrin.gif

Posted by: Jim S. Mar 4 2015, 10:34 PM

Alright I know my takes are getting worse and in this take here it is primarily improvisation besides the end which out of nowhere I decided to flip on the wah pedal. Im not sure how I feel about the tone because I had very tiny signal to work with in logic. I had to double the track and add a ton of eq boost and compression.

I know the deadline is coming in and ill finish with something cool but I am having a hard time with this one. Too many directions when I'm playing. This take 9 of 36 and through out all the takes I go from one extreme to the next. Scales seem irrelevent when I play over this track. I feel like you could play anything over this with confidence, my confidence to pull off these licks isnt there yet.




Posted by: Phil66 Mar 5 2015, 09:46 PM

QUOTE (Kristofer Dahl @ Mar 3 2015, 08:57 PM) *
Excellent Phil, I think it turned out really cool. biggrin.gif

I get Hendrix vibes (Electric Ladyland) - is he perhaps an inspiration? Very well done!


Thank you for your kind comments Kris. I thought it was pretty bad and very quirky. Of course I was thinking of Mr Hendrix throughout the improvisation, I was tuned into his spirit and mind and floating on a cloud of Electric Ladyland vibes cool.gif Seriously though, I do like some of his work but he isn't a huge inspiration. SRV, Robert Johnson, Satch and Vai are my main ones wink.gif

I do like the mouse squeak though laugh.gif

Posted by: Kristofer Dahl Mar 5 2015, 10:25 PM

QUOTE (Jim S. @ Mar 4 2015, 10:34 PM) *
Alright I know my takes are getting worse and in this take here it is primarily improvisation besides the end which out of nowhere I decided to flip on the wah pedal. Im not sure how I feel about the tone because I had very tiny signal to work with in logic. I had to double the track and add a ton of eq boost and compression.

I know the deadline is coming in and ill finish with something cool but I am having a hard time with this one. Too many directions when I'm playing. This take 9 of 36 and through out all the takes I go from one extreme to the next. Scales seem irrelevent when I play over this track. I feel like you could play anything over this with confidence, my confidence to pull off these licks isnt there yet.


Well I think this sounded pretty cool as an improvised take. Though tone is way on the trebly side for my taste.

The biggest thing though, is that I can somehow hear you are not playing with same conviction as in earlier takes - I can almost feel you're sick of this by now?! ph34r.gif

I can agree with what you are saying about "too many directions" - though I think this can be a good thing in the learning phase. You are exploring a lot of ground an as you mature musically, you will develop a unique voice consisting of your favorite mix of all those elements you have played around with.

For this collab, why don't you go with whatever you think sounded best? My vote goes to the take in the last video you recorded - it was pretty damn cool. cool.gif

QUOTE (Phil66 @ Mar 5 2015, 09:46 PM) *
Thank you for your kind comments Kris. I thought it was pretty bad and very quirky. Of course I was thinking of Mr Hendrix throughout the improvisation, I was tuned into his spirit and mind and floating on a cloud of Electric Ladyland vibes cool.gif Seriously though, I do like some of his work but he isn't a huge inspiration. SRV, Robert Johnson, Satch and Vai are my main ones wink.gif


Ah ok, well all those players (except one obvious) have Hendrix a huge influence - so we can still safely say your own influences shine through your playing.

Why do you think it was "bad and very quirky"? Were you perhaps "playing safe" in this last take? If so - then this goes back to what I told Jim - the licks you are most comfortable with (and thereby perceive as easy/boring) will be what you can deliver most convincingly and "pro" sounding.

Posted by: Phil66 Mar 6 2015, 08:23 AM

QUOTE (Kristofer Dahl @ Mar 5 2015, 09:25 PM) *
Ah ok, well all those players (except one obvious) have Hendrix a huge influence - so we can still safely say your own influences shine through your playing.

Why do you think it was "bad and very quirky"? Were you perhaps "playing safe" in this last take? If so - then this goes back to what I told Jim - the licks you are most comfortable with (and thereby perceive as easy/boring) will be what you can deliver most convincingly and "pro" sounding.


Thanks Kris,

It's kinda growing on me, the more I listen the more I like it. It just sounds a little bit like something I'd hear in a comedy sketch, that's what I meant by "quirky".

Phil

Posted by: Rustix Mar 9 2015, 12:06 AM

laugh.gif Ready



https://soundcloud.com/rustix-mlstx/funk-it-takes

 Funkit_Backing.mp3 ( 2MB ) : 125

 Funkit_Gtr.mp3 ( 2MB ) : 120

Posted by: DeGroot Mar 9 2015, 04:34 AM

I came back to this track today after about a week away from it. Pretty much started over from scratch although some of the ideas are somewhat similar. Its not perfect but it'll have to do. smile.gif Hope you enjoy

https://soundcloud.com/degroot-2/funk-it-3

Posted by: Kristofer Dahl Mar 9 2015, 10:43 PM

QUOTE (Rustix @ Mar 9 2015, 12:06 AM) *
laugh.gif Ready



https://soundcloud.com/rustix-mlstx/funk-it-takes

 Funkit_Backing.mp3 ( 2MB ) : 125

 Funkit_Gtr.mp3 ( 2MB ) : 120


Awesome!! ohmy.gif

This was an over-the-top take filled with amazing guitar work. I am big sucker for that funky intro/outro wah wah scratching, the scratch rhythm in the outro is probably my favorite part.

Also how you manage to create a melodic story with that weird note chance is über cool - I can really sense an evolving melody.

Finally you throw in super precise speed picking in there and make it sound like the easiest thing in the world! biggrin.gif

The only improvement I can think of would be to have a pause / breathing room somewhere in there, I think it could make your lines sound even more powerful. I don't blame you for not killing your darlings, though!

Awesome to have you in Rustix!

QUOTE (DeGroot @ Mar 9 2015, 04:34 AM) *
I came back to this track today after about a week away from it. Pretty much started over from scratch although some of the ideas are somewhat similar. Its not perfect but it'll have to do. smile.gif Hope you enjoy

https://soundcloud.com/degroot-2/funk-it-3


Very cool, I no longer react on the left hand issue discussed earlier. Also you make great use of the major tonality and that ending with crazy tapping (?) followed by funky double stops is just splendid. Very well done! biggrin.gif

Posted by: Kristofer Dahl Mar 9 2015, 11:20 PM


Any more takes coming in? This collab is closing soon!

Posted by: Rustix Mar 10 2015, 02:59 AM

QUOTE (Kristofer Dahl @ Mar 9 2015, 04:43 PM) *
Awesome!! ohmy.gif

This was an over-the-top take filled with amazing guitar work. I am big sucker for that funky intro/outro wah wah scratching, the scratch rhythm in the outro is probably my favorite part.

Also how you manage to create a melodic story with that weird note chance is über cool - I can really sense an evolving melody.

Finally you throw in super precise speed picking in there and make it sound like the easiest thing in the world! biggrin.gif

The only improvement I can think of would be to have a pause / breathing room somewhere in there, I think it could make your lines sound even more powerful. I don't blame you for not killing your darlings, though!

Awesome to have you in Rustix!


thank you very much kris ..!!

and I totally agree with you on creating space to breathe ... well maybe this time I missed that detail ....sorry this time . ohmy.gif . (maybe I worked a bit rushed with the passages because of the short time I had ) as you can see I could not finish the second section sad.gif .. but I promise to try next time ..maybe I can improve that (or maybe not) tongue.gif

I also enjoyed making Wah sections biggrin.gif ... that feels really cool ...(I think I lost a lot of time just to be entertained with the pedal without creating part of the song .....hahaha)

Posted by: Sensible Jones Mar 10 2015, 11:31 AM

Will have mine up later today!
smile.gif

Posted by: Procyon Mar 10 2015, 09:02 PM

So here is my final take. I am not really satisfied with it but it's all I can do for now. I just had no time to work on it... however I think I learned a lot again - and that's what really counts for me.



 gmcFunkCollabProcyonFull.wav ( 5.5MB ) : 168
 gmcFunkCollabProcyonSolo.wav ( 5.38MB ) : 124
 

Posted by: Kristofer Dahl Mar 10 2015, 10:11 PM

QUOTE (Procyon @ Mar 10 2015, 09:02 PM) *
So here is my final take. I am not really satisfied with it but it's all I can do for now. I just had no time to work on it... however I think I learned a lot again - and that's what really counts for me.


Awesome -

Sound is now as elastic as we expect it to be from you! cool.gif

This is a great solo, I particularly like the low slide which sounds BREWTAL to quote Mr T Simpson. Very cool and unexpected!

I think this collab was a challenge for all of us, and I can say I have personally made tremendous progress thanks to it. This tends to happen when we dare try things that are out of our comfort zone. I think this is what you guys are experiencing as well, and I am hoping people who have followed this collab passively also have learned something.

Big thanks to Vinman for your backing track idea, and thereby leading us in this new direction!

Posted by: Doug Lane Mar 10 2015, 10:59 PM

Here's my stuff. It's mostly improvisation, But I made it a point to put a little more fusion into my playing than usual.

 funkit_with_bt.mp3 ( 537.14K ) : 160
 funkit_guitar.mp3 ( 425.3K ) : 99
 

Posted by: Kristofer Dahl Mar 11 2015, 09:46 AM

QUOTE (Doug Lane @ Mar 10 2015, 10:59 PM) *
Here's my stuff. It's mostly improvisation, But I made it a point to put a little more fusion into my playing than usual.


Awesome to have you in Doug! biggrin.gif

This sounds great to me as an improvised take. Some comments:

* Your tone is somewhere in between original and too fizzy. But I think this can easily be adjusted in the mix, by lowering it and warming it up a bit.

* Your Queens of the Stone age allusion at 00:22 is really cool and clever (don't know if you did it un purpose). Definite highlight!

* The improvement I can think of are:

1 ) have a little bit of pauses/breathing room throughout the take, in order not to bombard the listener. This will make your phrases sound even stronger. "The actual music happens in between the phrases" is an old saying.

2) Have some thematic repetition. The idea is to repeat some phrases with slight variation. This will make the listener recognise himself (pop songs are great illustrations of this btw). Still I want to say that your solo does take us from point A to point B already, so you have already done a pretty good job here without this technique. However if you have played a longer solo more repetition would have been mandatory.

All in all very well done, great to have you in! biggrin.gif

Posted by: Doug Lane Mar 11 2015, 02:42 PM

Yes, that Queens of the Stone Age part was on my mind while I was jamming to this! That part, and the intent to use a Howe vibrato at the beginning were my main points of non-improvisation. I suppose I probably did overplay a little bit in my zeal to match and relate well to the rhythm guitar. I'll keep it more in mind for future collaborations where I will have a little more time to put something more concrete together.

Posted by: Sensible Jones Mar 11 2015, 06:04 PM

I'm not able to upload my take either here or on Soundcloud! My Internet keeps jamming and then resetting itself, because of this it restarts the upload each time!!
mad.gif mad.gif

Posted by: Kristofer Dahl Mar 11 2015, 08:07 PM

QUOTE (Sensible Jones @ Mar 11 2015, 06:04 PM) *
I'm not able to upload my take either here or on Soundcloud! My Internet keeps jamming and then resetting itself, because of this it restarts the upload each time!!
mad.gif mad.gif


Ok no worries, we'll wait for your take!

Posted by: Procyon Mar 11 2015, 08:31 PM

QUOTE (Kristofer Dahl @ Mar 10 2015, 10:11 PM) *
Awesome -

Sound is now as elastic as we expect it to be from you! cool.gif

This is a great solo, I particularly like the low slide which sounds BREWTAL to quote Mr T Simpson. Very cool and unexpected!

I think this collab was a challenge for all of us, and I can say I have personally made tremendous progress thanks to it. This tends to happen when we dare try things that are out of our comfort zone. I think this is what you guys are experiencing as well, and I am hoping people who have followed this collab passively also have learned something.

Big thanks to Vinman for your backing track idea, and thereby leading us in this new direction!



Thank you, Kris! Yeah, this "slide" is really brewtal laugh.gif biggrin.gif Actually it's a dive bomb. I had to do it with the whammy bar because I couldn't get it right when I tried to slide...

Yes, absolutely! It was a real challenge but without this collab I think I wouldn't have tried to play funk - although I really love this style.

Posted by: Kristofer Dahl Mar 11 2015, 09:58 PM

QUOTE (Doug Lane @ Mar 11 2015, 02:42 PM) *
Yes, that Queens of the Stone Age part was on my mind while I was jamming to this! That part, and the intent to use a Howe vibrato at the beginning were my main points of non-improvisation. I suppose I probably did overplay a little bit in my zeal to match and relate well to the rhythm guitar. I'll keep it more in mind for future collaborations where I will have a little more time to put something more concrete together.


Yes, I hope I'll see you in the next one! Speaking of which we should start thinking about what we want to do next.

QUOTE (Procyon @ Mar 11 2015, 08:31 PM) *
Thank you, Kris! Yeah, this "slide" is really brewtal laugh.gif biggrin.gif Actually it's a dive bomb. I had to do it with the whammy bar because I couldn't get it right when I tried to slide...


Aha, that explains the brewtality! cool.gif

Posted by: DeGroot Mar 12 2015, 12:50 AM

QUOTE (DeGroot @ Mar 9 2015, 03:34 AM) *
I came back to this track today after about a week away from it. Pretty much started over from scratch although some of the ideas are somewhat similar. Its not perfect but it'll have to do. smile.gif Hope you enjoy

https://soundcloud.com/degroot-2/funk-it-3


Here is my 'guitar only' file. Thanks for the feedback on my takes!

 Funk_it_3.mp3 ( 736.86K ) : 102


 Funkit_gmc_collab.mp3 ( 1.38MB ) : 95
 

Posted by: Kristofer Dahl Mar 14 2015, 01:45 PM

Ok we would like to proceed to mixing this one!

Sensible should we skip your files for this one? (there are obviously more collabs coming soon!)

Posted by: AK Rich Mar 14 2015, 06:33 PM

QUOTE (Kristofer Dahl @ Mar 1 2015, 02:00 PM) *
Thanks for the guitar-only file AK, and I am sorry to hear about your uncle! sad.gif

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QUOTE (Phil66 @ Mar 3 2015, 11:28 AM) *
First of all my thoughts are with you and yours AK Rich.


Thanks guys.

QUOTE (Rustix @ Mar 8 2015, 03:06 PM) *
laugh.gif Ready



https://soundcloud.com/rustix-mlstx/funk-it-takes

 Funkit_Backing.mp3 ( 2MB ) : 125

 Funkit_Gtr.mp3 ( 2MB ) : 120

That was some high octane funk right there. Nice chops Rustix! cool.gif
PS: I was wondering if and when someone was going to incorporate a wah into their take. cool.gif

Posted by: Phil66 Mar 14 2015, 08:01 PM

QUOTE (AK Rich @ Mar 14 2015, 05:33 PM) *
PS: I was wondering if and when someone was going to incorporate a wah into their take. cool.gif


I did wink.gif Ok it was auto wah but it was there tongue.gif

Posted by: bleez Mar 14 2015, 09:03 PM

QUOTE (Rustix @ Mar 8 2015, 11:06 PM) *
laugh.gif Ready


dude, your playing is sooo good and those fast runs are just amazing ohmy.gif you make it look effortless as well! Incredible skills, mate smile.gif

QUOTE (Phil66 @ Mar 14 2015, 07:01 PM) *
I did wink.gif Ok it was auto wah but it was there tongue.gif

phil, I really liked your tone here, it was a well funky take smile.gif

Posted by: Phil66 Mar 14 2015, 09:19 PM

Cheers Scott,

Did you like the mouse squeak at the end? wink.gif

Phil

Posted by: Kristofer Dahl Mar 14 2015, 10:47 PM

QUOTE (Phil66 @ Mar 14 2015, 09:19 PM) *
Cheers Scott,

Did you like the mouse squeak at the end? wink.gif

Phil


I think I speak for everyone when I say that we all loved your mouse squeak!! wub.gif wub.gif It' so authentic I am beginning to wonder if you are of mouse or man?! biggrin.gif

Posted by: Phil66 Mar 14 2015, 11:16 PM

cool.gif

Posted by: Rustix Mar 15 2015, 03:57 AM

QUOTE (AK Rich @ Mar 14 2015, 12:33 PM) *
Thanks guys.


That was some high octane funk right there. Nice chops Rustix! cool.gif
PS: I was wondering if and when someone was going to incorporate a wah into their take. cool.gif



Thanx AK Rich .. smile.gif Well ..sometimes almost impossible to hear Backing Funk 70s style and not think of a wah... hehe.. cool.gif

QUOTE (bleez @ Mar 14 2015, 03:03 PM) *
dude, your playing is sooo good and those fast runs are just amazing ohmy.gif you make it look effortless as well! Incredible skills, mate smile.gif


I appreciate your comment bleez ... thanks a lot smile.gif

Posted by: GeneT95 Mar 15 2015, 04:00 AM

AK, I used wah in my take, but I posted it a a fair time ago.

Posted by: Kristofer Dahl Mar 15 2015, 01:15 PM

Ok in order to move on, this collab is now officially closed for new takes. We will now start mixing!

Posted by: AK Rich Mar 15 2015, 06:01 PM

QUOTE (Phil66 @ Mar 14 2015, 11:01 AM) *
I did wink.gif Ok it was auto wah but it was there tongue.gif

Oh man thats right! My bad Phil! Nice job man , yeah it's the autowah but I'll let it slide. tongue.gif The accidental "mouse squeek" at the end of your take makes me smile every time I hear it! smile.gif It just goes to show that accidents aren't always a bad thing.

QUOTE (GeneT95 @ Mar 14 2015, 07:00 PM) *
AK, I used wah in my take, but I posted it a a fair time ago.

The enchilada take! I completely forgot about that one, Greg. Sorry man! A wah for the win! I was going to use my crybaby but when I plugged it in I discovered it was very scratchy from years of non-use and collecting dust, and I was just too lazy to clean it up and get it back into shape.
It's on the "got to do" list. wink.gif

Posted by: Kristofer Dahl Mar 16 2015, 04:43 PM

Jim S. and Nick6373 - we don't have guitar-only files from you. Please upload here asap if you want to be part of the final mix!

Posted by: Jim S. Mar 17 2015, 01:00 AM

QUOTE (Kristofer Dahl @ Mar 16 2015, 10:43 AM) *
Jim S. and Nick6373 - we don't have guitar-only files from you. Please upload here asap if you want to be part of the final mix!


Ah my files are not available anymore, the only ones are on Soundcloud and I'll be honest and say that it wasn't going well for me anyway. I'll catch you guys on the next one probably.

Posted by: Jim S. Mar 18 2015, 04:48 AM

https://soundcloud.com/jim-seekford-music/funk-it-4

I did put a lot of work in this and since my last post stating that Im not making another take, I played for 2 nights and got pretty pissed about playing.

I did learn many many different ways to play over the backing and that was pretty cool.

This is the only take that is available and I think besides the mistakes it still has qualities of me.

I'm not sure if you can use the link or if it's too late but....

Posted by: Sensible Jones Mar 18 2015, 01:15 PM

Sorry Kris, was away all weekend and still having issues with my Internet!
I have figured out what the problem is though, every time on of my neighbours Logs In to their Wi-fi it knocks my PC off my connection for some reason!! huh.gif

Posted by: Kristofer Dahl Mar 18 2015, 03:27 PM

OK no problem. This one is now closed but there is a brand new one http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_forum/index.php?showtopic=54081&hl=! smile.gif

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Mar 24 2015, 03:36 PM

Hello everybody! I happy to share the final mix of this great collab! I really like how this one has turned out after some mixing work. It has a funky spirit but also some alternative vibes that remind me to Jane's Addition and Smashing Pumpkins, so it's an interesting fusion.

I hope that you enjoyed the final mix, thanks everybody for joining! smile.gif

Order or appearance:

GeneT95 + Kristofer Dahl: Dark atmosphere intro
Gabriel Leopardi + Rustix: Jane’s Addiction vibes and bends.
AkRich: Groovy phrasing with some Kristofer’s phrases appearances.
Cael + Phill66 + Rustix: Cael’s phrasing while Phill is funkying and Rustix shreds.
Doug Lane + Kristofer Dahl: Jam section
DeGroot + Procyon: Guitar solo. (with some Little appearance of Rustix and Kris)


 Funk_It___GMC_Collab__Final_Mix_.mp3 ( 4.66MB ) : 460



Posted by: Monica Gheorghevici Mar 24 2015, 08:00 PM

Awesome collab result!!! smile.gif I really enjoyed to listen. Congrats for all the team and also congrats to Gab which made such an amazing final mix smile.gif

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Mar 25 2015, 02:03 PM

QUOTE (Monica Gheorghevici @ Mar 24 2015, 04:00 PM) *
Awesome collab result!!! smile.gif I really enjoyed to listen. Congrats for all the team and also congrats to Gab which made such an amazing final mix smile.gif



Thanks Mónica! smile.gif

Posted by: Rustix Mar 26 2015, 09:38 AM

QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Mar 24 2015, 09:36 AM) *
Hello everybody! I happy to share the final mix of this great collab! I really like how this one has turned out after some mixing work. It has a funky spirit but also some alternative vibes that remind me to Jane's Addition and Smashing Pumpkins, so it's an interesting fusion.

I hope that you enjoyed the final mix, thanks everybody for joining! smile.gif

Order or appearance:

GeneT95 + Kristofer Dahl: Dark atmosphere intro
Gabriel Leopardi + Rustix: Jane’s Addiction vibes and bends.
AkRich: Groovy phrasing with some Kristofer’s phrases appearances.
Cael + Phill66 + Rustix: Cael’s phrasing while Phill is funkying and Rustix shreds.
Doug Lane + Kristofer Dahl: Jam section
DeGroot + Procyon: Guitar solo. (with some Little appearance of Rustix and Kris)


 Funk_It___GMC_Collab__Final_Mix_.mp3 ( 4.66MB ) : 460


Yeeeahh.. I Love it..!!! .. too nice atmosphere, and hyper cool arrangements..... thanx for that trip Gabriel... You Rock master....!!! Cheers buddys smile.gif))

Posted by: Vinman56 Mar 26 2015, 01:53 PM

that was awesome guys well done. im mad i didnt get to join in on this one just been real busy with work but that sounded great. ive had that riff for so long and could never really think of anything to go with it...maybe now i can finally come up with something wink.gif thanks

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Mar 26 2015, 03:03 PM

QUOTE (Rustix @ Mar 26 2015, 05:38 AM) *
Yeeeahh.. I Love it..!!! .. too nice atmosphere, and hyper cool arrangements..... thanx for that trip Gabriel... You Rock master....!!! Cheers buddys smile.gif))


You rock guys, i just mixed your magic. I'm the cook. smile.gif

Posted by: Sensible Jones Mar 26 2015, 04:47 PM

Holy cow, that was awesome guys!!
Shame I couldn't get mine done in time. Although, even if I had, my Nuno-esque attempt would have sounded rubbish in comparison to everybody else's takes!!

Great mixing job Gab!!

I'll see you all in the next one!!
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Posted by: AK Rich Mar 26 2015, 05:55 PM

Thanks Gabriel! Great job to you and everyone who took part! cool.gif

Posted by: Phil66 Mar 26 2015, 08:36 PM

Great Job Gab, thanks, and well done everyone. biggrin.gif

Posted by: Kristofer Dahl Mar 26 2015, 10:16 PM

Amazing work everybody! biggrin.gif

I think the final mix reflects well the big jam which this collab was. I hope you guys learned something from it.

I have found it immensely developing on a personal level, to analyze your takes and think of improvement suggestions.

I am looking forward to the coming collabs! biggrin.gif

Posted by: Darius Wave Mar 27 2015, 01:25 PM

Awesome work! smile.gif Damn that has a groove. Sound like You all had a crazy days...at least that's how it sounds smile.gif))

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