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Jun 3 2013, 10:06 PM
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Hi guys - I'm curious how you record and mix your guitars?
Do you record double takes for heavier sound and how do you pan those guitars? I usually record each rhythm guitar twice and pan it relatively hard left and right and stack up the layers to make the song sound more reach, at the same time trying not to overdo it. I'll be recording some guitars in the near future so I'm curious how do you do it? -------------------- For GMC support please email support (at) guitarmasterclass.net
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Jun 4 2013, 01:56 AM
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Interesting, I will try that next time!
For heavy guitars I usually just double track and pan hard L/R. I'm pretty simple that way, haha. I had friends who would quad track each side to try and get maximum heavy tones... but I feel that layering that many times kills the dynamics of the riffing. -------------------- http://www.six-string-samurai.com - Gear reviews for the terminally GAS-afflicted.
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Jun 4 2013, 04:10 PM
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 Yes that's worth mentioning; panning sources hard left / right is often not recommended, for that reason and because having done that, ambience fx, eg room reverb, have got nowhere left to go in terms of making the instrument's output expand to fill the sound stage.With regard to methods of making a single guitar fill the sound stage, there's the old EVH thing of using a slight detune/delay. Pan the dry signal one side and the 100% wet signal to the other. Another method I've tried with a single guitar take is to use different fx/amp chains panned left and right, checkout https://soundcloud.com/redwingrockgroup/drifting I'm on vocal and bass on that. The idea being that a single guitar will sound bigger, more dynamics (due to no micro timing discrepancies) in the mix. Pete This post has been edited by pdf64: Jun 4 2013, 04:13 PM |
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Jun 4 2013, 04:33 PM
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QUOTE (pdf64 @ Jun 4 2013, 03:10 PM)  Yes that's worth mentioning; panning sources hard left / right is often not recommended, for that reason and because having done that, ambience fx, eg room reverb, have got nowhere left to go in terms of making the instrument's output expand to fill the sound stage.It's why its still so important to do a mono collapse check on a mix. Sadly fewer and fewer mix engineers seem to bother doing this nowadays. There tends to be a belief that we now always listen to music in stereo and this simply isn't true as most speakers are not set up to reproduce stereo - and not just in bars and pubs but pretty much everywhere. Same as you should not make decisions about stereo soundstages using headphones as they do not present an accurate spatial image. QUOTE With regard to methods of making a single guitar fill the sound stage, there's the old EVH thing of using a slight detune/delay. Pan the dry signal one side and the 100% wet signal to the other. Another method I've tried with a single guitar take is to use different fx/amp chains panned left and right, checkout https://soundcloud.com/redwingrockgroup/drifting I'm on vocal and bass on that. The idea being that a single guitar will sound bigger, more dynamics (due to no micro timing discrepancies) in the mix. Pete Yes -the EVH is based on the Haas effect. You can adjust the delay time anywhere from 5ms to 35 ms acording to what you want/need and it will help with panning, fatten up the guitar sound and also seem like a more realistic stereo. -------------------- Get your music professionally mastered by anl AES registered Mastering Engineer. Contact me for Audio Mastering Services and Advice and visit our website www.miromastering.com
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Jun 4 2013, 06:29 PM
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I do a few different things, but it really depends on the situation and sound I'm going for.
The first thing I would suggest is when trying to record an overdriven/distorted track always use less gain then you think you should. Instead of doubling a part I will try to build a big part. I do this by employing some/all of the following: - using different combinations of amps and guitars. If you only have one amp/guitar try using different pickup positions and settings on what you do have - playing the part the same way (like you were doubling) but try using an open tuning, a capo or a baritone guitar - once you have a bunch of parts down send them to a separate stereo buss. Then apply a good compressor (I usually use a blue stripe 1176. There are some nice software compressors as well) across the stereo buss. Use the panning and faders on the individual tracks to set the stereo mix. If your software has VCA grouping this works amazingly well and you can automate mutes, panning and levels. Sometimes I will take a send from the stereo buss and use a little reverb or delay. - If you only have one part and want it to sound bigger you can try using a stereo delay and setting one side to a very quick delay time (3-5 ms) this sometimes adds some space. -------------------- company contact
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Jun 5 2013, 10:35 AM
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New generation tools that might help during mixing. The "delay" thats ment here are so short it actually means phase. |
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