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Feb 25 2017, 08:55 PM
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Very true
 The end of the line is often where the really rough pix come from. Free range products are available, but like you say, the cost can get in the way. I"m ok with eating beef/chicken "ish" products that get grown in a lab and just leave real animals out it. Perhaps they can get rid of some of the unlhealthy bits of meat eating using science as well. That would be ideal imho I'm prone to enjoy a nice burger or bbq (barcecue is almost a religion in parts of the South), so creating a way to get folks needs met without the health problems, and animal issues would be great So science better get cracking!!Todd QUOTE (klasaine @ Feb 25 2017, 10:24 AM)  I could give up ice cream but not (real) cheese.
Cruelty free makes for better tasting dairy anyway. We run the gamut out here from mega industrial dairy farms to small, independent, family owned dairies (and ranches). Local grown, organic milk and yogurt (and meat) is easy to find, even in the bigger chain supermarkets. The price can be prohibitive though. *In keeping with the WWII theme, we call Cali's biggest industrial meat and dairy region Cowschwitz. The Harris Ranch Farm in Coalinga Ca. ... http://www.invisible5.org/index.php?page=fresnocoalinga In fairness, the cattle are primarily grazed and grass fed on several western ranches before they get to the Harris Ranch feed lot where they then get a mix of corn, grain and grass before being harvested. The photos generally posted on-line are of the cows in the feed lot near the end of the 'cycle'. |
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Feb 25 2017, 11:42 PM
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QUOTE (Kristofer Dahl @ Feb 25 2017, 02:59 PM) those animals are mostly "vegan" - and an insane amount of soy etc are needed to feed them.) Yeah, as much as I love meat - it's pretty well established that using the same space for plant based agriculture is a much more efficient use of land resources in many regards. I can't remember the exact statistic but I believe that the US alone could feed double it's current population with the grain that's used just to feed livestock. I'm not giving up meat but I am fully aware of it's impact large and small. My grandfather was a butcher and also owned a (Kosher) meat packing plant with his brother. I've seen it raised, killed, processed and packed. This post has been edited by klasaine: Feb 26 2017, 12:07 AM -------------------- - Ken Lasaine
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Feb 26 2017, 04:30 PM
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There are a ton of options ... https://www.google.com/search?q=vegetarian+...-8&oe=utf-8
But are you gonna be OK with the taste and texture? As you would probably imagine there's plenty of Vegetarian and Vegan construction workers and athletes out here in CA. This post has been edited by klasaine: Feb 26 2017, 04:32 PM -------------------- - Ken Lasaine
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Feb 27 2017, 08:16 AM
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Feb 27 2017, 03:55 PM
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QUOTE (Kristofer Dahl @ Feb 26 2017, 07:44 PM) The key, as with any diet - is to eat as diverse as possible. This is especially so with a vegan diet. The problem is not getting a sufficient amount of protein, the problem is getting a sufficient variety of amino acids with a vegan diet. A diverse diet when eating vegan is critically important to avoid this problem. I'm with Ken. While not vegan, I try to be aware of the impact of what I eat and moderate my habits accordingly. In any case, I do enjoy a good soy sausage .-------------------- Cyber-industrial music and video animations:
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Feb 27 2017, 05:48 PM
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There's a Mexican place near me that offers vegan 'soy'rizo (chorizo - Mexican sausage) tacos, burritos, sopes, etc. I like it better than the real chorizo.
I also like ketchup on my steak. Even a really good steak. I like ketchup. -------------------- - Ken Lasaine
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Feb 28 2017, 01:31 AM
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QUOTE (Kristofer Dahl @ Feb 27 2017, 10:57 PM) almost all food sources have a complete amino acid profile. For the purpose of getting the essential amino acids, variety is more important in a vegetarian diet than in a carnivorous diet. Pretty much any serving of meat or eggs you eat would give you enough of all of them. On the other hand, you can't say that any vegetable will also give you enough of all of them. That simply isn't true. In any case, relax Kristofer, nobody is saying there is anything wrong with a vegan diet . -------------------- Cyber-industrial music and video animations:
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Feb 28 2017, 02:35 PM
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Kristofer, I'm agreeing with you that a diverse diet is important. This is especially so since some vegetables have insufficient quantities of the essential amino acids. You're making me regret that I went to the trouble of posting a reply to agree with your position. Remind me to never do that again
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