Rec Grading Tweaks #2 |
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Jun 9 2015, 10:04 AM
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From time to time we need to review the REC grading standards - just like we did two years ago:
https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_fo...showtopic=48320 It's time again for instructors to get a little bit stricter with their grading. The goal with the REC grades is obviously not to make our students happy for the day, but rather have you become fantastic guitarists over time. I am posting this in case some of you wonder where this change is coming from. |
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Jun 9 2015, 02:37 PM
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QUOTE (Kristofer Dahl @ Jun 9 2015, 10:04 AM)  From time to time we need to review the REC grading standards - just like we did two years ago: https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_fo...showtopic=48320 It's time again for instructors to get a little bit stricter with their grading. The goal with the REC grades is obviously not to make our students happy for the day, but rather have you become fantastic guitarists over time. I am posting this in case some of you wonder where this change is coming from. Just a thought and excuse me if I'm interfering. Would it be a good idea to allow instructors to give half points? Sometimes you can get three 7s then improve but still only get three 7s because you're not quite an 8 and you need an average of 7.5 to pass. I 100% don't agree with false praise but I think it would be nice to see a "very nearly there" factor of you were only "nearly there" last time. Cheers and sorry if I'm putting my nose in where it shouldn't be 
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Jun 9 2015, 03:45 PM
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Yes, I would sign every word you said!
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Jun 9 2015, 04:06 PM
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QUOTE (Kristofer Dahl @ Jun 9 2015, 03:37 PM) I pretty much agree with both of you. Positive feedback and encouragement is a key factor to stay motivated, especially in the beginning. I still think that the grades given need to follow general standards, in order for us not to devaluate the REC program. The grades given need to relate to the level of the lesson and not to the level of the student. Having said this, I think the things you pointed out must clearly be expressed by the instructor in text. Ie "even though I can't give you passing grade on this third attempt - the amount of progress you have made is very impressive (...)" Did I get you right? Yes I agree completely. It just needs to be remembered, and I don't mean to be disrespectful or patronizing, that a student learning a level 3 lesson is never going to execute the lesson as good as the instructor. Hey maybe that would be good, once a student has reached a level above 3, they have to select a previous REC and re play it to see how much they have improved and get re accessed. Cheers This post has been edited by Phil66: Jun 9 2015, 07:59 PM -------------------- SEE MY GMC CERTIFICATE “Success is not obtained overnight. It comes in instalments; you get a little bit today, a little bit tomorrow until the whole package is given out. The day you procrastinate, you lose that day's success.” Israelmore Ayivor |
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Jun 9 2015, 04:10 PM
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QUOTE (Chris S. @ Jun 9 2015, 11:55 AM) I don't have as much REC experience as everyone else but one thing that I always noticed would be what Phil mentioned: Where it is said that we have improved but the score remains the same. Like take one was a 7, and then on take two someone would say "definitely better than the last take" but still given a 7. Now I wouldn't want to be given an 8 and then pass a lesson I shouldn't have but I do agree that there should maybe be half points or something. I'd rather be given a 6, that way when I post another take an show improvement I can at least be given a 7 - so although I didn't pass I can at least see that my score went higher. I guess it's just a motivational thing. Exactly! and this is another reason why we need to tweak the grading. With the new standard we will use more the lower numbers and 7 will be given only when we feel that you are a very little step to pass. So in your example, you would get a 4/5, then a 6 and finally a 7 when you are just very close to pass. The adjustment is because we need to be more strict to make the program valuable and also become we need more headroom to make the grading clearer more useful and reasonable. -------------------- My lessons
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Jun 9 2015, 08:44 PM
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I was trying to write a post but...I would be too long
 I hope my not enough descent english will not make things to be misunderstood |
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Jun 9 2015, 09:07 PM
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Thank you Darius,
That was a brilliant video. I actually found it very inspiring (even though I missed 12:03 of my timing practise   ).Personally I have always thought that a fail is a 7 but could mean a "hidden" 4, and I always though that it was done for the "feel good factor" for the student I would rather get a 1, then a month later a 2, then a 3 etc, for me this would be much better than getting a 7 for 7 months then getting an 8. It wouldn't feel like banging my head against a wall and thinking "what do I have to do to get that one extra point??????"   It would, in my opinion, be more encouraging than persistent 7s Much much better and thank you for taking the time to give such an eloquent explanation. Cheers buddy
This post has been edited by Phil66: Jun 9 2015, 09:08 PM -------------------- SEE MY GMC CERTIFICATE “Success is not obtained overnight. It comes in instalments; you get a little bit today, a little bit tomorrow until the whole package is given out. The day you procrastinate, you lose that day's success.” Israelmore Ayivor |
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Jun 9 2015, 09:09 PM
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It's nice that you have been willing to discuss this with students. Thank you.
There is another side of the coin too. As a student I don't like to stop a lesson that an instructor has given me, I feel that I am letting them down so I stick at it even if my heart isn't into it just to show that I am serious and don't want to be like an impatient kid. I hope this makes sense.
This post has been edited by Phil66: Jun 9 2015, 09:12 PM -------------------- SEE MY GMC CERTIFICATE “Success is not obtained overnight. It comes in instalments; you get a little bit today, a little bit tomorrow until the whole package is given out. The day you procrastinate, you lose that day's success.” Israelmore Ayivor |
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Jun 9 2015, 09:38 PM
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I agree but sometimes it can be demoralising and if the music in the lesson isn't really your cup of tea it makes it harder to persist. I had it recently with Gab's Fu Manchu lesson. I just couldn't get past a certain bar and I actually found myself regressing. I felt awful asking Gab if I could try something else
 Thanks again. -------------------- SEE MY GMC CERTIFICATE “Success is not obtained overnight. It comes in instalments; you get a little bit today, a little bit tomorrow until the whole package is given out. The day you procrastinate, you lose that day's success.” Israelmore Ayivor |
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