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GMC Forum _ PRACTICE ROOM _ I Challenge Thee!
Posted by: Iluha Sep 19 2008, 08:37 PM
So after the Challenge thread started by Iainsteward onn Marcus Lavendell's board(http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_forum/index.php?showtopic=19689&st=0), it's time to bring the challenge to the main scene 
I would like to challenge anyone, both instructors and members, to learn to play Guthrie Govan's infamous jam over the Larry Carlton track
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUZK9dasP8s
The challenge is to do it in one week! so good luck to whoever takes on this challenge! Personally I'm also trying to learn it but it will take me way more than a week to perfect it
Post you'r challenges here, and have fun 
Right, so after some thought, here are 3 more challenges for various skill levels:
Beginner : http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/solo-guitar/blue-note-in-a/ A preety easy lesson by Muris, which will improve you'r phrasing, vibrato, and bending, and dynamic skills.
Intermidiate : http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/solo-guitar/rock-blues-solo-in-Eb-minor/ First lesson by the new instructor Pedja Simovic, some unique blues solo ideas, which will give you a taste of fusion!
Advanced : http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/solo-guitar/lesson-no-1000/ If you can Mimic Kris's unique Rythm sense, I salute you!
So have fun guys, you got one week! so practice hard and share you'r results next saturday!
Posted by: Marcus Lavendell Sep 19 2008, 08:40 PM
This will be interesting!! 
Posted by: Siggum Sep 19 2008, 08:45 PM
I love that solo, a bit hard, but good choice Iluha
Edit: Is there anywhere you can dl that track
Posted by: chast Sep 19 2008, 08:45 PM
Awesome, good luck to master to everyone who want to master that jam
Guthrie is so unbelievable good ._.
Posted by: Iluha Sep 19 2008, 08:46 PM
I guess you can buy it off Bluesjamtracks.com but the site seems to be down at the moment.. and you could also ask Tjchep for it since I know he has it
If you want a tab, you can find it on ultimate guitar.
Posted by: Kristofer Dahl Sep 19 2008, 08:48 PM
Oh my - I will be monitoring this! 
Posted by: Bogdan Radovic Sep 19 2008, 09:03 PM
This will be very exciting !!
Looking forward to progress of this one!
Posted by: Tolek Sep 19 2008, 09:25 PM
Good idea, Iluha! I just picked up my guitar and figured out the first few licks. I think it could be possible for me...
Posted by: ItsMe Sep 19 2008, 09:31 PM
the whole solo can be found on ultimate guitar as a gp5 file. The transcription is 100 % accurate
I also recorded a backing that resembles the backing Guthrie uses very much. Means same tonality and the baseline is close. I'll upload it in the members only upload section. I call it Larrys Blues
Posted by: Tolek Sep 19 2008, 09:32 PM
I believe but I prefer developping my ears and figure out this improvisation by myself. What about you other GMCers?
Posted by: Iluha Sep 19 2008, 09:39 PM
Well this kind of improvisation is too much for my ears =p so I'm sticking with the tab!
By the way, I thought about this. and I'm gonna edit the first post with 3 more challenges, Beginner level, Intermidiate, and advanced, and the current challenge will be in the Super Advanced category
Posted by: coffeeman Sep 19 2008, 10:23 PM
Awesome Idea Iluha , I take the intermediate challenge.
Posted by: wrk Sep 19 2008, 11:30 PM
The challenge is to do it in one week! ...
In one week? ... you mean this year? ...
It's a great idea, but i think i have to pass
.. Guthrie's version is just to hard, but i would love to hear some tracks !!btw ... bluesjamtracks.com is still online and playing hours over the Larry Carlton track is worth the £0.99
... i just bought it 2 weeks ago and it's so much fun!!Posted by: Muris Varajic Sep 20 2008, 12:32 AM
Problem with Guthrie's take is that it's 80% improvised,
even himself wouldn't play it the same way next time.
I might give it a try tho.
Posted by: Marcus Lavendell Sep 20 2008, 07:54 AM
Ahhh.. Muris, please do!
I'd love to see your take on that solo. That would be so cool!!
Posted by: Daniel Robinson Sep 20 2008, 08:25 AM
I tried learning this piece awhile back, let me try and give it another go. No promises here if i can't get it right i am not going to post it.
The biggest problem i had with it is the fret jumping he does, when moving laterally across the strings i don't have a problem doing fast passages. But when doing 3 string trill type stuff thats moving upwards i can't get the rhythm right cause my hand wants to stay anchored.
Muris, i doubt you would find any of this track too much of a challenge, there is nothing really difficult about it. Its not really fast, as you can hear i am sure. The trick is the rhythms he uses are a bit odd.
But like i said i will try it again, maybe i will have more success this time.
Daniel
Posted by: Iluha Sep 20 2008, 11:01 AM
The biggest problem i had with it is the fret jumping he does, when moving laterally across the strings i don't have a problem doing fast passages. But when doing 3 string trill type stuff thats moving upwards i can't get the rhythm right cause my hand wants to stay anchored.
Muris, i doubt you would find any of this track too much of a challenge, there is nothing really difficult about it. Its not really fast, as you can hear i am sure. The trick is the rhythms he uses are a bit odd.
But like i said i will try it again, maybe i will have more success this time.
Daniel
My biggest problem with it is the fast legato part around the middle of it.. I think it's more because of my guitar though, the spaces between my frets seem too small for my fingers.
Wrk: You should attempt the Advanced challenge than, I don't think it will pose too much trouble for you
Posted by: coffeeman Sep 20 2008, 06:21 PM
I would like to challenge anyone, both instructors and members, to learn to play Guthrie Govan's infamous jam over the Larry Carlton track
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUZK9dasP8s
The challenge is to do it in one week! so good luck to whoever takes on this challenge! Personally I'm also trying to learn it but it will take me way more than a week to perfect it
Post you'r challenges here, and have fun
Right, so after some thought, here are 3 more challenges for various skill levels:
Beginner : http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/solo-guitar/blue-note-in-a/ A preety easy lesson by Muris, which will improve you'r phrasing, vibrato, and bending, and dynamic skills.
Intermidiate : http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/solo-guitar/rock-blues-solo-in-Eb-minor/ First lesson by the new instructor Pedja Simovic, some unique blues solo ideas, which will give you a taste of fusion!
Advanced : http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/solo-guitar/lesson-no-1000/ If you can Mimic Kris's unique Rythm sense, I salute you!
So have fun guys, you got one week! so practice hard and share you'r results next saturday!
here is my attempt on Pedja Simovic Lesson:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3Xm-wAD7dM
Posted by: Kuba Szafran Sep 20 2008, 06:30 PM
Well played mate:)!
Posted by: kaznie_NL Sep 20 2008, 06:42 PM
Mybe I'll do the beginner suggestion!
Can you upload the BT's? I can get them myself, but I don't think everyone knows how to!
Posted by: Iluha Sep 20 2008, 06:59 PM
Can you upload the BT's? I can get them myself, but I don't think everyone knows how to!
Well I'm not a member right now.. and probably won't be for the next few months, yeah I don't even have enough cash for a subscription
so maybe you can upload them, if that's even allowed.
Posted by: Muris Varajic Sep 20 2008, 08:58 PM
Here's kind a test version,
I'm very pleased that you mentioned this Guthrie's Jem Iluha,
I've seen it few times but never really got deep into it.
It's not totally the same as Guthrie's but let's say about 60%,
still need to work on some parts.
And video will be included I guess. 
Guthrie__s_Carlton_Jam___Muris_Take_test.mp3 ( 1.8MB )
: 288
Posted by: Kristofer Dahl Sep 20 2008, 09:05 PM
I'm very pleased that you mentioned this Guthrie's Jem Iluha,
I've seen it few times but never really got deep into it.
It's not totally the same as Guthrie's but let's say about 60%,
still need to work on some parts.
And video will be included I guess.
Guthrie__s_Carlton_Jam___Muris_Take_test.mp3 ( 1.8MB )
: 288Wow sounds beautiful Muris!
Posted by: Bondy Sep 20 2008, 09:08 PM
Muris that was awesome sounded great you rule
Posted by: Muris Varajic Sep 20 2008, 09:18 PM
Thanks guys,appreciate it!
Posted by: Emir Hot Sep 20 2008, 09:37 PM
I'm very pleased that you mentioned this Guthrie's Jem Iluha,
I've seen it few times but never really got deep into it.
It's not totally the same as Guthrie's but let's say about 60%,
still need to work on some parts.
And video will be included I guess.
Guthrie__s_Carlton_Jam___Muris_Take_test.mp3 ( 1.8MB )
: 288very well done, I have just heard it
Posted by: Tolek Sep 20 2008, 09:46 PM
Awesome like always, Muris. I hope I´ll figure it out soon...
Posted by: Pedja Simovic Sep 20 2008, 09:58 PM
C dorian rocks
Posted by: Tolek Sep 20 2008, 10:00 PM
Or G Aeolian!
Posted by: Muris Varajic Sep 20 2008, 10:02 PM
Watch your steps,there's Fm in progression all the time,
Ab major & as well.
Posted by: Pedja Simovic Sep 20 2008, 10:04 PM
Ab major & as well.
Thrill is gone style harmony (Cmin Fmin Ab G7 12 bar blues)
C aeolian primary source but C dorian over C min part for sure
Posted by: Muris Varajic Sep 20 2008, 10:05 PM
C aeolian primary source but C dorian over C min part for sure
Now we are talking.
Posted by: coffeeman Sep 21 2008, 02:52 AM
Thanks Kuba. Im looking forward to hear Pedja opinion too, lets see what he says.
I'm very pleased that you mentioned this Guthrie's Jem Iluha,
I've seen it few times but never really got deep into it.
It's not totally the same as Guthrie's but let's say about 60%,
still need to work on some parts.
And video will be included I guess.
Guthrie__s_Carlton_Jam___Muris_Take_test.mp3 ( 1.8MB )
: 288Awesome Muris , when can we expect a lesson in the style of Guthrie?
Posted by: Pedja Simovic Sep 21 2008, 03:10 AM
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Thanks Kuba. Im looking forward to hear Pedja opinion too, lets see what he says.
I just checked it out sorry I missed it earlier tonight!
It sounds good you nailed down the first part very well. Couple of small things I would try to correct are vibrato , position shifting (happens towards the end when you use your 1st and 2nd finger on the same 11th fret ) and rhythm for the last lick !
Other than that man you pretty much owned the solo good job!
I believe if you did couple more takes it would be 100% but this is awesome for something you learned in 24 hours or so , I am impressed - very good student - keep up the good work @
Posted by: Iluha Sep 21 2008, 03:34 AM
Muris that was awesome did you figure it all by ear?
Posted by: skennington Sep 21 2008, 03:53 AM
I'm very pleased that you mentioned this Guthrie's Jem Iluha,
I've seen it few times but never really got deep into it.
It's not totally the same as Guthrie's but let's say about 60%,
still need to work on some parts.
And video will be included I guess.
Guthrie__s_Carlton_Jam___Muris_Take_test.mp3 ( 1.8MB )
: 288Awesome Muris! I would love to hear a 100% Muris improv over this backing. Maybe just me, but seemed you were actually holding back a bit
Posted by: inertia Sep 21 2008, 04:12 AM
amazing take Muris, Guthrie is such an unbelievable player, definitely one of my favourites, I have seen some tabs of this floating around, I'll probably take a stab at learning some of the licks, it's definitely more advanced than my capabilities right now that's for sure
Posted by: Starry Manhattan Rain Sep 21 2008, 05:27 AM
Muris, man your take was awesome and this thread was a great idea.
Here is a take I found on youtube, and I reckon it's pretty phenomenal. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2IMA5CLDOiI&feature=related
Posted by: Tolek Sep 21 2008, 08:07 AM
That´s me. Yes, I know... I am so unbelievably good...
Posted by: Muris Varajic Sep 21 2008, 12:36 PM
did you figure it all by ear?Thanks.
Well I was watching the clip
and I changed some positions as well,
made it more comfortable for me.
Posted by: DeepRoots Sep 21 2008, 12:41 PM
Brilliant take Muris
Should be a struggle for me but i may have a go with some of the cooler phrasing parts.
Posted by: iainsteward Sep 21 2008, 01:30 PM
Very nice Muris, and now.....I have a challenge for two particular GMC instructors
First off, for Kris......there is a piece I would love to see you try and its "Concerto" by Cacophony. Just the intro part with the sweep/alternate picking segment!!
Secondly, I would love to see Muris play a solo by Jeff Healey from a song called "I Tried". Its a beautiful solo and I cant find tabs anywhere, so hopefully if seeing Muris play it I could pick it up from the vid
Best Of Luck Guys,
Iain!!
Posted by: Marcus Lavendell Sep 21 2008, 02:06 PM
I'm very pleased that you mentioned this Guthrie's Jem Iluha,
I've seen it few times but never really got deep into it.
It's not totally the same as Guthrie's but let's say about 60%,
still need to work on some parts.
And video will be included I guess.
Guthrie__s_Carlton_Jam___Muris_Take_test.mp3 ( 1.8MB )
: 288Fantastic take Muris!! Wow
Posted by: Kuba Szafran Sep 21 2008, 02:11 PM
Awesome work Muris:)!
Posted by: Muris Varajic Sep 21 2008, 02:35 PM
Thanks fellows.
Posted by: Ian Bushell Sep 21 2008, 02:40 PM
Killer stuff Muris!
Posted by: iainsteward Sep 21 2008, 02:43 PM
I also have a challenge for Daniel R Robinson......since you did a Lynch lesson, and are obviously a fan of his I challenge thee to play the solo to Into The Fire
Iain!
Posted by: Muris Varajic Sep 21 2008, 02:46 PM
Best Of Luck Guys,
Iain!!
Great tune indeed,gonna check out if I can get descent backing somewhere.
Posted by: iainsteward Sep 21 2008, 02:47 PM
Awesome Muris, I really look forward to seeing your take of it. I know you can do it justice....best of luck
Iain!!
Posted by: Muris Varajic Sep 21 2008, 02:49 PM
Iain!!
Best thing is that solo in this song isn't technical at all.
Posted by: Marcus Lavendell Sep 21 2008, 02:54 PM
Well... even if it were super technical I think it would be a piece of cake for you Muris
Posted by: wrk Sep 21 2008, 05:11 PM
Great take Muris ... incredible !! Your sound is perfect over this tune.
Posted by: chast Sep 21 2008, 05:47 PM
Awesome take, Muris
Perfect sound.
Posted by: JVM Sep 22 2008, 04:53 AM
Well, I just got gearbox working on my 64 bit vista laptop, so I'll finally be doing some recording again, I think I'll start with the intermediate challenge here
Posted by: coffeeman Sep 22 2008, 05:00 PM
It sounds good you nailed down the first part very well. Couple of small things I would try to correct are vibrato , position shifting (happens towards the end when you use your 1st and 2nd finger on the same 11th fret ) and rhythm for the last lick !
Other than that man you pretty much owned the solo good job!
I believe if you did couple more takes it would be 100% but this is awesome for something you learned in 24 hours or so , I am impressed - very good student - keep up the good work @
Thanks Pedja, and thank you for that cool lesson!
Posted by: Pedja Simovic Sep 22 2008, 06:05 PM
You welcome man. I hope you will enjoy future ones as well
Posted by: Muris Varajic Sep 22 2008, 07:05 PM
Here is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euxwDiD4luk ,
quality isn't greatest tho,
it was night time and I had no lamps atm.
Posted by: ItsMe Sep 22 2008, 07:16 PM
quality isn't greatest tho,
it was night time and I had no lamps atm.
just great
Want to be able to play like that too!! Awesome
Posted by: Capt.Z Sep 22 2008, 07:32 PM
quality isn't greatest tho,
it was night time and I had no lamps atm.
Very Nice Muris! You are AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: Muris Varajic Sep 22 2008, 07:35 PM
Thanks,I'm glad that you're still able to watch it
even with low quality.
Posted by: Tolek Sep 22 2008, 07:39 PM
Muris, what counts is your readiness to participate here!
I think I´ll take a bit longer than a week to learn that song!
Posted by: Fran Sep 22 2008, 08:00 PM
quality isn't greatest tho,
it was night time and I had no lamps atm.
That was awesome Muris, you totally rock!
Posted by: Tjchep Sep 22 2008, 08:52 PM
Anyone need the backing track, I'll upload it later if anyone needs it.
Just found this tread. Will see if I can learn this and post it..
Posted by: chast Sep 22 2008, 08:57 PM
Just found this tread. Will see if I can learn this and post it..
Uploading the backing would be very kind of you
Posted by: ItsMe Sep 22 2008, 09:23 PM
Hi,
I made a backing track for Guthries impro a while ago. Here it is.
Posted by: Siggum Sep 22 2008, 10:29 PM
quality isn't greatest tho,
it was night time and I had no lamps atm.
I hate that youtube butchers sound quality, but awsome take mate, you play so fluently
Posted by: kyldeee Sep 24 2008, 02:01 PM
Just found this tread. Will see if I can learn this and post it..
Yeah, a backing would be awesome mate
And, Muris, awesome playing, as always
Posted by: Muris Varajic Sep 24 2008, 02:43 PM
Thanks for backing ItsMe,
now let's hear/see more takes!
Posted by: Canis Sep 24 2008, 02:55 PM
Awesome played, Muris! You're the man ^^
I think I'll skip this one..
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