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Sircraigery View Member Profile	Apr 28 2009, 12:29 AM
Apr 28 2009, 12:29 AM	GMC:er Posts: 673 Joined: 12-May 07	So yeah, I've decided a fairly difficult challenge is to build one of these units. I'm got a few years of physics under my belt, why not try it right? I'm going to base it off the gravity wheel, so no laws of thermodynamics will broken (which in all honesty does NOT make it a perpetual motion machine but w/e it's close enough). As long as it accelerates by itself, I'm happy. The one similar to what I want to use is demonstrated here: Although it doesn't quite work because of friction. I have some ideas to make a frictionless axle (hint: monorail cars). I've already got a good start on parts. First for the wheel itself I used some old hard drive disks. I those these because they are no doubt the best wheel I'm going to find that's 100% uniform. As I get closer to finishing my design, I'll post pics. If anyone has ideas when I fail (haha), feel free to share them. You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- Guitars: Ibanez Prestige RG2610E [BKP Cold Sweat] Ibanez Prestige RG2550E [Carbon Fiber Plastics] Ibanez Roadstar II RS-135 [Stock] Quest Acoustic [Stock] Effects: Electro-Harmonix Metal Muff Ibanez Weeping Demon Wah Boss DR-3 Dr. Rhythym Amp: Marshall JCM2000 DSL 401 'Only the dead have seen the end of the war.' - Plato

David Wallimann View Member Profile	Apr 28 2009, 02:32 AM
Apr 28 2009, 02:32 AM	Instructor Posts: 4.565 Joined: 29-March 07 From: Fort Collins, CO	I find this kind of stuff fascinating. I'd love to see what you come up with! You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- www.youtube.com/Wallimann www.davidwallimann.com

AlexLion View Member Profile	Apr 28 2009, 08:11 AM
Apr 28 2009, 08:11 AM	GMC:er Posts: 1.247 Joined: 19-September 08 From: Latvia, Jelgava	Cool! It`s fascinating indeed, would love to see your attempt You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content!

Velvet Roger View Member Profile	Apr 28 2009, 08:34 AM
Apr 28 2009, 08:34 AM	Learning Tone Seeker Posts: 2.093 Joined: 5-August 08 From: Amsterdam, The Netherlands	Cool stuff, looking forward to your go at it You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- "Don't practice until you get it right. Practice until you can't get it wrong." Guitars & Amps Brian Moore DC-1 Custom Shop (Cherry Sunburst, mahogany/rosewood) Eric Johnson Signature Strat (2-tone Sunburst, alder/maple) Ibanez RG770 (Black, basswood/rosewood) Peerless Journeyman (solid spruce/maple) Sixt Bov-105C (Ovation-like acoustic) - Ibanez SGT-130 (Jumbo acoustic) London City VS-1 (Precision bass) - Baton Rouge U3S (Ukelele) Fender HotRod Deluxe 40W combo - Fender Princeton Reverb Reissue 5W combo - Marshall JCM 900 50W Hi-Gain combo Effects & Other stuff POD Studio UX2 audio interface - Edirol MA-15D monitors EH Double Muff - Fulltone GT-500 - Fulltone Fulldrive 2 Mosfet - Guitarsystems TrebleTool Junior - Guitarsystems FuzzTool Junior Korg Pitchblack Tuner - MXR Carbon Copy Analog Delay - TC Electronics Nova Modulator - Morley Bad Horsie 2 Wah Shure SM58 - Roland PCR-500 midi controller/keyboard & Yamaha Clavinova CL-910 piano My Website My MySpace Page My YouTube Channel My Twitter Account My Band 'Gonzo!'

Carlos Carrillo View Member Profile	Apr 28 2009, 03:46 PM
Apr 28 2009, 03:46 PM	Instructor Posts: 2.016 Joined: 8-February 08 From: Argentina	Wow! Great Job! You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- Check out my video lessons and instructor board!

dusty View Member Profile	Apr 28 2009, 03:56 PM
Apr 28 2009, 03:56 PM	GMC:er Posts: 195 Joined: 17-February 08 From: london	good luck, what ever you do make sure the friction coefficient at the spindle is as low as you can get it, using an idea from mono rail cars is a good idea if you can stabilise the magnetic repulsion force with out the use of supports or bracket (i.e = more friction) or electromagnets. cant wait to see what you come up with, more than happy to help with ideas if you need them (geek mechanical engineer) You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- "smoke me a kipper i'll be back for breakfast"

Pitch_Black View Member Profile	Apr 28 2009, 04:11 PM
Apr 28 2009, 04:11 PM	GMC:er Posts: 185 Joined: 29-February 08 From: Montana U.S.A	That is awesome! Why aren't they using those on a large scale to generate energy though? You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- Gear: Amps: Vox AD50VT Yamaha GA-10 Guitars: Gibson SG Hohner Acoustic Effects: Digitech Death Metal Pedal Dunlop Crybaby 535q Wah Pedal And a lot on my Vox Long Live Rock And Roll!

dusty View Member Profile	Apr 28 2009, 04:19 PM
Apr 28 2009, 04:19 PM	GMC:er Posts: 195 Joined: 17-February 08 From: london	QUOTE (Pitch_Black @ Apr 28 2009, 04:11 PM) That is awesome! Why aren't they using those on a large scale to generate energy though? its all to do with the torque developed in the shaft in relation to the proportions regarding the diameter of the wheel and the inertia minus the resistance created by the hinged spokes. to drive a generator from the shaft (ie one powerful enough to keep a family home going) you would need a rig as twice big as the house. i could go on, they are a great idea but the materials and friction technology is years away from being able to make this type of thing a commercial reality i could draw a picture and do the calculations but i am too lazy , hence why i became a manager and not a lab rat. You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- "smoke me a kipper i'll be back for breakfast"

Fran View Member Profile	Apr 28 2009, 04:34 PM
Apr 28 2009, 04:34 PM	Learning Rock Star - Wiki Coordinator Posts: 8.451 Joined: 20-November 07 From: Spain	QUOTE (Pitch_Black @ Apr 28 2009, 05:11 PM) That is awesome! Why aren't they using those on a large scale to generate energy though? Friction would stop it. I bet the one shown at the vid also stops after a while. You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- Guitars: Fender American Deluxe Stratocaster, Ibanez RG2570MZ, Epiphone SG G-400 Amp: Vox AC4TVH head + V112TV cab Effects: Vox Satchurator, Vox Time Machine, Dunlop CryBaby, Boss MT-2, Boss CE-5, Boss TU-2, Boss ME-70 Recording: Line-6 POD X3 + FBV-Express, Pandora PX5D GMC wants YOU to take part in our Guitar-Wikipedia! Have a good time reading great articles and writing your own with us in our GUITAR WIKI! Share your playing and get Pro-advice from our Instructors: Join REC

Pitch_Black View Member Profile	Apr 29 2009, 12:18 AM
Apr 29 2009, 12:18 AM	GMC:er Posts: 185 Joined: 29-February 08 From: Montana U.S.A	QUOTE (dusty @ Apr 28 2009, 09:19 AM) its all to do with the torque developed in the shaft in relation to the proportions regarding the diameter of the wheel and the inertia minus the resistance created by the hinged spokes. to drive a generator from the shaft (ie one powerful enough to keep a family home going) you would need a rig as twice big as the house. i could go on, they are a great idea but the materials and friction technology is years away from being able to make this type of thing a commercial reality i could draw a picture and do the calculations but i am too lazy , hence why i became a manager and not a lab rat. Dang man! You know your stuff Thats to bad that it won't work on that big of a scale That would be huge in the area of energy conservation! You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- Gear: Amps: Vox AD50VT Yamaha GA-10 Guitars: Gibson SG Hohner Acoustic Effects: Digitech Death Metal Pedal Dunlop Crybaby 535q Wah Pedal And a lot on my Vox Long Live Rock And Roll!

Sircraigery View Member Profile	Apr 29 2009, 01:33 AM
Apr 29 2009, 01:33 AM	GMC:er Posts: 673 Joined: 12-May 07	Ok well, I'm using two cylinder magnets on either side of the device as an axle. Then in the wheel itself I'm going to put magnets on that too, but larger diameter and slightly over lapping each axle magnet. IF this works they way I want it to, the magnetic repulsion forces will keep the unit hovering and presto -> NO FRICTION! This is going to hard to stabilize, but I think it has potential. As for wind resistance, I'm going to build a little box to put this in, with a vacuum in there. We have a vacuum pump at work so with all my resources and surplus of time to build a decent model, I'm confident I can make it work. Or at least work for quite a while. You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- Guitars: Ibanez Prestige RG2610E [BKP Cold Sweat] Ibanez Prestige RG2550E [Carbon Fiber Plastics] Ibanez Roadstar II RS-135 [Stock] Quest Acoustic [Stock] Effects: Electro-Harmonix Metal Muff Ibanez Weeping Demon Wah Boss DR-3 Dr. Rhythym Amp: Marshall JCM2000 DSL 401 'Only the dead have seen the end of the war.' - Plato

dusty View Member Profile	Apr 29 2009, 02:22 PM
Apr 29 2009, 02:22 PM	GMC:er Posts: 195 Joined: 17-February 08 From: london	Sounds like a plan, the biggest challenge that i can see is lateral stablisation, once all the magnetic forces have been stabalised in the x and z direction the rig is going to want to move in the y direction (along the axis), the path of least resistance. you could always try something like this. or at least something based on the principle. either way it is going to be tricky, good luck Also just found this, looks like it doesnt need power. http://spaninc.thomasnet.com/product/all-c...ension-products? all you would nee to do is make sure that the moving mechanisim does not create enough reactive force to knock the axle alignment out of the suspension field then bingo. thats if you have magnets strong enough to cope with the loads. You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! This post has been edited by dusty: Apr 29 2009, 02:30 PM -------------------- "smoke me a kipper i'll be back for breakfast"

Jesse View Member Profile	Apr 29 2009, 03:51 PM
Apr 29 2009, 03:51 PM	GMC:er Posts: 2.348 Joined: 5-July 08 From: Enschede/overijssel/Nederland	QUOTE (Carlos Carrillo @ Apr 28 2009, 04:46 PM) Wow! Great Job! He didn't make that one:D You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- Don't just play it. Feel it!

Carlos Carrillo View Member Profile	Apr 29 2009, 04:14 PM
Apr 29 2009, 04:14 PM	Instructor Posts: 2.016 Joined: 8-February 08 From: Argentina	QUOTE (Jesse @ Apr 29 2009, 03:51 PM) He didn't make that one:D hahaha!ok,but..It is a cool job! You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! This post has been edited by Carlos Carrillo: Apr 29 2009, 04:15 PM -------------------- Check out my video lessons and instructor board!

Sircraigery View Member Profile	Apr 30 2009, 01:04 AM
Apr 30 2009, 01:04 AM	GMC:er Posts: 673 Joined: 12-May 07	Ran into a bit of a roadblock here. I guess this thing isn't going to work because their are more arms on the left right than the right side (right side being the one with straight arms). Therefore torque is actually balanced. Now I'm going to try and see if I can somehow come up with a way to use magnets and straight arms. Only....(and here's the tough part) I need to find a way to de-energize a magnet momentarily so the next arm can pass the point of most repulsion. That or find a completely energy free way to focus a magnetic field like a laser LOL Also, someone told me that a magnetic field cannot do work...if this is true (and I do remember that from physics) why can a voice coil move a speaker cone? EDIT: I also found a Stirling Engine very interesting. Of course it's not an over unity (unit = power in < power out) device, but still NO ELECTRIC BILL. They work on temperature changed between to plates to cause and increase in pressure to drive a piston. So naturally, they have solar powered models that actually do work! You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! This post has been edited by Sircraigery: Apr 30 2009, 01:17 AM -------------------- Guitars: Ibanez Prestige RG2610E [BKP Cold Sweat] Ibanez Prestige RG2550E [Carbon Fiber Plastics] Ibanez Roadstar II RS-135 [Stock] Quest Acoustic [Stock] Effects: Electro-Harmonix Metal Muff Ibanez Weeping Demon Wah Boss DR-3 Dr. Rhythym Amp: Marshall JCM2000 DSL 401 'Only the dead have seen the end of the war.' - Plato

The Uncreator View Member Profile	Apr 30 2009, 02:06 AM
Apr 30 2009, 02:06 AM	Fire Up The Blades, Moderator Posts: 8.933 Joined: 6-March 07 From: St. Petersburg, Florida	As for a frictionless axles, I think something with magnets could work, Pretty cool stuff man, I love this kind of science stuff, Love to see what you come up with. You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content!

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