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Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi May 24 2016, 06:54 PM

Hello everybody!

Welcome to my new GMC collaboration. This one is based on the style of Metallica and once again our founder Kristofer Dahl is already working on lyrics and vocals for this one!!

As we want to make this song a cool as possible we would like to invite everybody to join and record your solos, guitar arrangements and ideas over the track to use it for the final mix.

Backing track:  Metallica_Style_Collab.mp3 ( 1.82MB ) : 376


Tempo: 116 bpm

Key and Scale choices:

The song has 5 sections: Intro (00:00 to 00:18), Verse (00:18 to 00:34), pre-chorus (00:34 to 00:43), chorus (00:43 to 01:00) & bridge/riff (01:00 to end). All parts are in E minor except the pre-chorus in which the song modulates to F#m. This pre-chorus is a bit complex because it also includes the b5 note, so adding it to the Pentatonic minor scale can be a good idea. Beginners can skip this part.

The most obvious scale choice is E pentatonic minor or E blues scale everywhere except over the pre-chorus where you should switch to F#m pentatonic.

http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/scalegenerator

http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/scalegenerator

http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/scalegenerator

Finally, you can also use minor scales (E minor over most of the parts and F# minor over the pre-chorus)

http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/scalegenerator

http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/scalegenerator



IMPORTANT INFO About files required:

In order to make the things easier for compiling takes and mixing I need that each participant shares 3 files:

- Audio file with the mix of the backing and your guitar.
- Audio file only with your guitar (If possible this audio should have the same length than the mix version)
- Video of you playing the solo, and if it's not possible a picture. (Mp4 format if it's possible)

The best way to share this is compressing in a zip file to be downloaded from here or using sharing service as dropbox, wetransfer, and copying the link here.

If you decide to share your files using soundcloud please remember to "allow downloads".

Thanks!


DEADLINE: June 25th


Who is in?

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Posted by: Todd Simpson May 24 2016, 06:59 PM

You had me @ E Minor! Looks like another killer collab! Congrats on the last one Turned out great!

Todd

Posted by: Kristofer Dahl May 24 2016, 07:04 PM

This will be awesome - who else is in? I know I am!!

Posted by: bleez May 24 2016, 08:14 PM

Yup! me too

Posted by: fzalfa May 24 2016, 09:00 PM

someone called me ??

Laurent

Posted by: Caelumamittendum May 25 2016, 02:41 PM

Can I do some singing (not growling) on this one again?

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi May 25 2016, 03:13 PM

Great guys! You're welcome to this one! And yes Ben you can!

Posted by: Caelumamittendum May 25 2016, 03:15 PM

Great!

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi May 25 2016, 03:24 PM

Kris is already working on lyrics. Let's wait for his input.

Posted by: Caelumamittendum May 27 2016, 10:12 AM

Hey Kris and Gabriel,

I am just brainstorming here, but could we possibly do two verses (one with me and one with Kris)? Of course if other people want to sing too we could work on that too, and make it even more of a song than just a one-verse thing?

Posted by: Kristofer Dahl May 27 2016, 10:57 AM

Sounds cool to me - you should defintiely record your lines they way you want them.

I am working on vocals over the entire backing. Since it's pretty short (compared ot a "normal" song) one option is definitely to go for an extnded structure. Ultimately it will be up to Gab to mix n match when he has our ideas.

It's really cool these collabs make you want to start experimenting with your voice that's the whole idea!

Posted by: Caelumamittendum May 27 2016, 11:20 AM

Do you have preview of the lyrics so far? Should I write my "own" verse? I'm just thinking we should maybe work in on a similar style of lyrics, so that you don't sing about death and destruction and I sing about butterflies and flowers.

Posted by: Kristofer Dahl May 27 2016, 11:50 AM

haha no that would be a bit too original perhaps

My lyrics are pretty raw so far and might not make much sense. Hopefully they will, with the recorded vocals.

I am not yet sure how I will be singing - ie if I will attempt rock style singing or more on the barky side (as with the previous collab). Right now I am just practicing clean singing over the backing to establish the melody/lyrics, and practice timing and pitch.

Draft lyrics:

4, 3, 2, 1
You hear me count the days left to the new world order, hear me count x2

you hear me fu***g c**t?

When you groove so nicely
I feel surpressed cause you’re bouncing on my chest

When you speak so freely
I loose my mind cause I’m fed up with your kind

With a thousand lies build a temple of stone
Dig for fame, spread your name, but the blame is…

…on you x3
the blame is on you

4,3
hear me count the days left to the new world order
2,1
hear me count the days left to the new world order

Posted by: fzalfa May 27 2016, 12:14 PM

Hi Gabriel

This is a rought take..... maybe can i dig some ideas from

https://soundcloud.com/laurent-377054242/metallica-1

Laurent

Posted by: Daeron May 27 2016, 12:28 PM

Awesome, Laurent !
Tasty and powerful. This is promising !

Posted by: fzalfa May 27 2016, 06:49 PM

Thanks David !!

Another Take, i try to use the floyd and do some effects with.



Laurent

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi May 28 2016, 05:47 PM

Cool! I like it! It's aggressive as the backing deserves it. I think that giving this one the structure of a full song is a great idea! So feel free to write and record for two or three verses and then I'll give this one the best structure.







Nice playing! I can see you comfortable over this groove! There is cool stuff happening on this one. You have more time so continue polishing the ideas to provide the best solo possible for this one.

Posted by: Todd Simpson May 28 2016, 09:07 PM

Killing it in the Whammy department!! Cool stuff!

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Jun 1 2016, 05:06 PM

Hey friends! How is this one going? Any new take coming?

Posted by: fzalfa Jun 11 2016, 08:34 AM

i'll put my take this week

Laurent

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Jun 13 2016, 05:50 PM

Cool Laurent!

Posted by: Caelumamittendum Jun 13 2016, 06:04 PM

I've been a bit stressed lately, besides working on my own songs, so maybe I won't be able to contribute much. I'm also not fully able to relate to Kris' lyrics and how they will fit the Metallica style, but I'm sure he knows Metallica better than I do, so maybe he's better for just singing by himself

Posted by: Kristofer Dahl Jun 14 2016, 08:30 AM

Hey Ben - I was hoping to have presented my ideas much earlier, but life and man flu got it the way. I will be recording this week though - fingers crossed!

Posted by: Kristofer Dahl Jun 15 2016, 11:54 AM

I have recorded most of the vocals, and just started mixing/editing - here is a mini teaser so you can get a feel for what I had in mind:

https://soundcloud.com/kristoferdahl/metallica-collab-vocal-mini-teaser

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Jun 15 2016, 05:01 PM

Beautiful!!!!!!!!! This reminds me a bit to St Anger's vocals! Very rocker, very hetfield! This is VERY promising.



The post 90's Metallica's album make me think on this cool album.



Just some random comment to bring more inspiration...

Posted by: Kristofer Dahl Jun 16 2016, 01:58 PM

Awesome you like it! That's a really cool COC track btw

Here is draft mix of the whole thing!
https://soundcloud.com/kristoferdahl/metallica-collab-draft

LYRICS

4, 3, 2, 1

You hear me count the days left to the new world order, you hear me count

When you groove so nicely
I get surpressed 'cause you’re bouncing on my chest

When you speak so freely
I loose my mind 'cause I’m fed up with your kind

With a thousand lies and a temple of stone
Dig for fame, spread your name, but the blame is…

…on you!

Hear me count the days left to the new world order, you hear me count

We’re off to guitarmasterclass.net

Mp3 file:  metallica_collab_draft.mp3 ( 2.01MB ) : 61

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Jun 16 2016, 03:14 PM

hahaha this is so awesome!!! I think that this will be the best GMC track we've done! It sounds like a metal HIT!!

Your vocals here are VERY personal and made this "in the style of Metallica" song sound very personal. The pre-chorus is just perfect, where I imagined some very low (hetfield/anselmo style) backing vocals that I can record by myself. Very subtle but I need them!

In the first heard I loved everything except the "on you" section, but after some more hears I started to like it and understood that the silence there make the overall song more balanced.

Finally, I really liked that you've used the same intro melodies and lyrics over the final riff, now I think that it will work as the chorus, isn't it?

Posted by: Kristofer Dahl Jun 16 2016, 03:23 PM

Agreed - the vocals in that part should just be used as backing choir. I think we should have a guitar melody or something there!



Yes that's the plan!

Posted by: Kristofer Dahl Jun 16 2016, 07:12 PM

So do we have any more people joining in? As Gab said - we should be able to get a killer final mix, you don't want to miss this!

COME ON!!!!

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Jun 17 2016, 03:55 PM

Sounds great Kris!

If anybody needs help to solo over this one, just let me know and I can guide you.

Posted by: fzalfa Jun 17 2016, 04:00 PM

i love theses lyrics......

Good job Kris

Laurent

Posted by: Todd Simpson Jun 19 2016, 12:53 AM

GREAT backing and a killer idea for a collab Here are my bits for the project.

Here is a preview vid.


With and Without backing .aif files on dropbox. Clearly labled per file.
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/4xk3pqdbx5d5q5f/AABwpzavnpyBm5RK_B8l9oBYa?dl=0

ELEVEN RACK PRESET used in solo
 MetallicaCollab.tfx.zip ( 1.22K ) : 140


I"m using my HOTONE WAH on the solo but replaced it with the 11 Rack wah in the patch. I've also swapped my FCP1010 midi foot controller for this PEAK midi controller. It's smaller, has metal switches, not plastic, easy to read display, solid as a rock. If you have a Behringer FCB1010 I'd say ditch it asap and swap to this setup. This wah pedal can act as a controller for the 11 rack or it can act like a volume pedal or a traditional wah. Super handy and super portable.

Posted by: Kristofer Dahl Jun 20 2016, 09:02 AM

Thanks Laurent, this one was a lot of fun- there is something about metal music with a groove, that makes it irrestable to me!





Awesome Todd!

Any more takes? I am currently jamming over this one and hope to get some guitar jamming recorded as well.

Posted by: HiimAlex Jun 20 2016, 05:31 PM

I jammed over this backing for a bit earlier today and although I am not really a Metallica fan, I liked the backing track.
However I think parts of the backing were hard to play in timing so I decided not to record anything.

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Jun 20 2016, 08:18 PM

Totally killer as always!! Thanks Todd for joining this one!! You rock mate.




Hi Alex! I'd like to hear a take from you to give some feedback about how to be able to play in timing over this backing. It can be really helpful for your playing. You can share your take here, at the mentoring program or even via PM.

Remember that the main purpose of this collabs that GMC students learn by making music.

Posted by: Kristofer Dahl Jun 21 2016, 09:10 AM

Here is my jam over the track... I just couldn't stop playing

Posted by: kadir korkmaz Jun 21 2016, 10:47 AM

hi Gabriel

Posted by: fzalfa Jun 21 2016, 02:47 PM

Hi Gabriel

This is my take and my files
I only do a short solo of 00:30

may you'll enjoy it, if we need modification, tell me, i'll done it



[attachment=44782:metallica_collab.mp4]
[attachment=44783:guitar_only.wav]
[attachment=44784:backtrack_guitar.wav]

cheers

Laurent

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Jun 21 2016, 04:07 PM

I've just commented this one at FAcebook, it's killer!!




Lots of great licks on this one! Thanks for joining man!





Hi Laurent, I like your ideas on this one VERY much. If you still have some extra time I would adjust your tone which has too much treble/presence, and if possible practice a bit more the take to make it sound flawless. It's a very cool composition and could be much better with this two fixes.

Some specific parts to review:

First licks: Vibrato could be more consistent , and the 00:07 trill could be cleaner.
00:10 - What about ending the lick on another note from the chord sounding in the backing?
00:15 to 00:20 - Adjust timing.

About vibrato, I think that you could go for a slower and wider vibrato on this one. It would sound less "nervous".

I can use this take for the collab, but in the case you have more time, you have some guidelines on how to improve it.

Thanks for joining!!

Posted by: Todd Simpson Jun 21 2016, 05:48 PM

Damn that was good. I mean, freakin A. that bit at 2:12 was particularly nice. Really the whole thing.

!!!!Folks, please do not let this throw you off and think that your take won't work. Every take is a good take people, it forces you to play and move ahead as a musician. Kris has been doing this for quite some time so it's a great example of the power of PRACTICE. Submit your own examples pretty please The more takes the better!! !!

Posted by: Kristofer Dahl Jun 21 2016, 09:12 PM

Very well put - for every recording you share you will progress. It does not matter how you feel after having uploaded/recorded - I always feel horrible when I upload something, I almost always think something in the lines of "why do I even bother, it sounded even worse than my last upload". Still I have learned that if I keep doing it, it will take me forward one way or another.

Posted by: Todd Simpson Jun 22 2016, 01:36 AM

Well said Yet again! Everyone doubts themselves, it's normal. Just try not to let that keep you guys from trying and sharing. IT takes boldness to be sure. But it's a great way to see your own progress, and get valuable feedback. So even if you hate your take, submit it!!! You have nothing to lose and everything to gain!

Todd

Posted by: HiimAlex Jun 22 2016, 07:17 AM

After all those words from Kristofer and Todd I felt I had to share my take either way. Even if I feel like some parts are horrible. But I am here to improve
Here is my take for the Metallica Collab.=)

Posted by: Kristofer Dahl Jun 22 2016, 08:05 AM

Excellent Alex - perhaps you feel already that you are looking at your take with different eyes, because you have shared it? Again - this is the process that moves us forward. There is no way around it - to others reading, you won't get better just by practicing on your room - you have to start SHARING as well

You did very well sharing this track - this will be a really cool collab

Posted by: HiimAlex Jun 22 2016, 02:58 PM

Yes exactly, it is always good to have someone else look at your playing and give feedback to you since it is hard to criticize yourself I also realized even if I get some negative feedback, it wouldn't matter I will practice so I don't make same mistakes next time

Looking forward to the final mix!

Posted by: Todd Simpson Jun 22 2016, 05:56 PM

Super Congrats on a spiff take and on having the stones to share Just turning the camera on can often cause one's fingers to turn to mush, crowds watching can do the same. Just like guitar, you gotta practice. Practice at playing in front of a camera, practice at playing in front of people. As Kris wisely states, it's all part of the process

Todd

Bingo! Never be afraid of feedback, positive or negative, it can contribute to your progess as a musician. It's all about the "journey" as they say, and it's a long road. But it's well worth the trip

Todd

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Jun 22 2016, 06:47 PM

Great job Alex! I've just shared some thoughts and suggestions regarding your take at the mentoring thread where I've found it first.


IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT FOR EVERYBODY:

Please be sure to share your takes on 25th (or before) because I can't extend the deadline for this. Thanks!

Posted by: fzalfa Jun 22 2016, 07:00 PM

you'll get it tomorow or today for sure !!

cheers

Laurent

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Jun 22 2016, 10:59 PM

Sounds good!

Posted by: fzalfa Jun 23 2016, 09:17 AM

Hi Gabriel

i have try to do better than the take in my last PM, but i seem stucked.
So i think this is a final take, theses are the files



[attachment=44793:metallic...b_tryout.mp4]
[attachment=44794:metallica_3.wav]
[attachment=44795:metallic...uit_only.wav]

Cheers

Laurent

Posted by: Kristofer Dahl Jun 23 2016, 09:23 AM

Cool Laurent - can't wait for the final mix!

Here are my files. The audio is fairly processed already, let me know if you need any audio with less effects. All audio starts from point 0, and in the file lead.wav I also included a reference count-in.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/5415283/kris-vocals-etc-export.zip

Guys and girls please submit your final take by latest the 25th - as Gab will start mixing / editing right away!

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Jun 23 2016, 03:42 PM

Great! Thanks Laurent!!





Downloading now!!

Posted by: HiimAlex Jun 24 2016, 02:15 PM

Here is another take where I tried to be more melodic and using less notes.
I feel like most of this take is better than my last.


Here is my files also
 Metallica_Collab_Guitar_Only.wav ( 15.27MB ) : 65

 Metallica_Collab_Video.mp4 ( 36.7MB ) : 118

 Metallica_Collab_With_Backing.wav ( 15.27MB ) : 75


Please tell me if you need something more

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Jun 25 2016, 11:35 PM

Great!! Thanks for joining Alex!

Posted by: kadir korkmaz Jun 27 2016, 08:58 PM

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Jun 28 2016, 05:24 PM

I'm working on this one! We can say that we have a new KILLER track.

Posted by: fzalfa Jun 28 2016, 07:16 PM

YEAH !!!!!!!!!

Laurent

Posted by: Kristofer Dahl Jun 29 2016, 09:33 AM

No matter how many times we do this, I am still amazed that we are gathered from all over the world to play and compose amazing music. THANK YOU so much for joining us!!

Here is the end result:

Posted by: HiimAlex Jun 29 2016, 09:55 AM

I think this one turned out killer! Awesome job everyone!

Posted by: fzalfa Jun 29 2016, 10:05 AM

yes !!! very nice one !!!!

next ???

Laurent

Posted by: Kristofer Dahl Jun 29 2016, 10:10 AM

I have been discussing with Darius to possibly do a slightly more jam/playing oriented collab next. We should launch something in the next days. Feel free to suggest!



Agreed my friend!

Posted by: Darius Wave Jun 29 2016, 10:43 AM

That's right! Maybe you can suggest us what most of You would enjoy this time? Maybe an examples of songs you would like to jam on but we could have it more open than "band type" kind of collb. What do You think ?

Posted by: fzalfa Jun 29 2016, 11:52 AM

interresting.....

maybe a jazzy stuff ?

cheers

Laurent

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Jun 29 2016, 08:36 PM

Congrats everybody! I love the new songs we've done!

Posted by: fzalfa Jun 29 2016, 09:07 PM

i think me and alex are a bit low in volume... no ?

Laurent

Posted by: Todd Simpson Jun 30 2016, 04:29 AM

Very well done guys!! It all came together quite well Works as a song which is not easy to pull off. can't wait to see what's next!
Todd

Posted by: Darius Wave Jun 30 2016, 11:13 AM

|I think jazzy stuff will unfortunately limit the amount of students who could enter. That's a very risky type of collab but I guess at some point it will be worth trying to prepare one

Posted by: fzalfa Jun 30 2016, 11:59 AM

yeahhhh

Laurent

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Jun 30 2016, 11:15 PM

Maybe some funk jazz or funk blues hat is based on one key? maybe a dominant key? This could be a good idea to give place for beginner and advanced players since you can use only Pentatonics but you can use many other elements...

Posted by: Todd Simpson Jul 2 2016, 03:03 AM

How about FUNK ROCK? not punk rock, but FUNK ROCK!!

Posted by: Kristofer Dahl Jul 8 2016, 10:40 PM

Update: we have decided to give the collab:ing a short summer break.

In the meanwhile check ut Todd's Saturday Shred Fest callenge if you haven't already:
https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_forum/index.php?s=&showtopic=56954&view=findpost&p=734620

And if any of you guys (students) have some extra time on your hands, why not launch a (public or private) summer collab with another GMC:ers?

Posted by: Todd Simpson Jul 10 2016, 04:46 AM

Now that sounds like a plan!!! I just put up the latest CHALLENGE today!!! Here is a direct link. PLEASE DO JOIN!! No files to exchange, just a video of you playing against the backing, you record with anything at all, cell phone, web cam, anything.

http://bit.ly/saturdayshredfestx10