Single Coil Pickups, Whats the point of single coil pickups? |
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Apr 1 2014, 04:00 PM
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This guy does OK with single coils:
Him too: A little more modern maybe? No compressors, no noise gates on these rigs. You learn what's good about it, you learn to deal with it. This post has been edited by klasaine: Apr 1 2014, 05:12 PM -------------------- - Ken Lasaine
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Apr 1 2014, 05:18 PM
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My point is that even with a ton of gain - I just edited the above post to include a modern/current Paul Gilbert clip - there are folks who like the sound of single coil pickups. They can be huge sounding. And 'good' ones def are neither cheap nor inferior.
*If you have that much noise - which is not normal as you're describing it - your issues could just be a bad set of single coils or your dist pedal or your gate - ? Also, all kinds of elec equip in your house (computer monitors, lack of proper grounding, a juicer or a hair dryer, etc.) can cause a lot of 60 cycle hum through your guitar. Pickup technology hasn't changed much since about 1955. Hendrix occasionally used humbuckers (a flying V) but preferred the sound of a Strat with normal output singles. A lot of (studio) Zep was done on a Tele and a Danelectro. If you don't dig 'em - cool. But plenty do (as you'll see in the proceeding posts). And hey, you asked. This post has been edited by klasaine: Apr 1 2014, 08:04 PM -------------------- - Ken Lasaine
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Apr 1 2014, 05:27 PM
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Ummm... Because a humbucker will never sound like a single coil? And some people prefer that tone?
Please read the article and listen to the clips... He does a nice job of explaining and showing the difference, and why you'd want it... Not trying to change your mind, or the tones you prefer, but think perhaps you may have missed some of the subtleties and differences that only singles can give... http://www.seymourduncan.com/blog/the-tone...t-quack-anyway/ And a great performance with amazing tone that just isn't going to happen any other way than with singles... There are so many other classic pickups with unique sounds and that's why they're still making them, like the P-90, which is also a type of single coil. This post has been edited by Hexabuzz: Apr 1 2014, 05:30 PM |
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Apr 1 2014, 07:57 PM
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QUOTE (Hexabuzz @ Apr 1 2014, 04:27 PM)  Ummm... Because a humbucker will never sound like a single coil? And some people prefer that tone? Please read the article and listen to the clips... He does a nice job of explaining and showing the difference, and why you'd want it... Not trying to change your mind, or the tones you prefer, but think perhaps you may have missed some of the subtleties and differences that only singles can give... http://www.seymourduncan.com/blog/the-tone...t-quack-anyway/ And a great performance with amazing tone that just isn't going to happen any other way than with singles... There are so many other classic pickups with unique sounds and that's why they're still making them, like the P-90, which is also a type of single coil. Thanks Hexabuzz for actually trying to see what I was getting at. My point really was how we as muso's are allowing manufacturers to be complacent with the equipment they provide." We do them with single coils because thats how we always done it" is not really good enough in my opinion. That article you provided illustrates my point really well. Even if it is a Seymour Duncan site they acknowledge that there have always been the problems with single coils and are coming up with innovative ways of sorting these problems out. I particularly like the sound of the Duckbucker and the stacked type too. The thing is , as was pointed out by the guy above, these pup designs basically haven't changed since the 50's so it's high time things were pushed forward to sort these problems out. And great claims about "voicing" are made in Pup manufacturers adverts. (not just SD folks ,they all do it) well surely they could make a noiseless, stacked bucker to sound more like a trad pup? I meant to make it clear that I often use Strat's and Tele's when it is suitable to do so. I obviously didn't succeed as lots of people are rushing in to defend their tone. It's not about that ,guys and I can name lots of Strat players too. .Right hopefully now we can get somewhere. Has anyone got any thoughts of how perhaps digital modelling might be used to improve things? Or any suggestions that guitar manufacturers could possibly think about offering as options? I think to begin with these pups could be more expensive, but if they can get it right and it becomes more popular the price will come down. 
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Apr 1 2014, 08:07 PM
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Yes ...
http://fluence.fishman.com/ http://www.fishman.com/articles/fishman-fl...in-premier-guit 'Noiseless' single coils have been manufactured since the early 80s. As of yet nobody's gotten it right (I've tried them all and I always switch back). Maybe the Fishman's will be different - ? I hope so. Ultimately taste related. If you're into very modern metal (of whatever sub-genre) then probably some type of humbucker is your best option. This post has been edited by klasaine: Apr 1 2014, 08:11 PM -------------------- - Ken Lasaine
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Apr 1 2014, 08:19 PM
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I much prefer single coils to humbuckers
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Apr 1 2014, 09:34 PM
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OK, relax.
This is actually part of what you said ... QUOTE (Becca @ Apr 1 2014, 07:02 AM) Single coil pups. WHY? Why on earth are they still making them? And they are STILL fitting them, as standard, to some expensive guitars. Think about it for a minute. A single coil pup is weedy. It sounds thin. It buzzes like a bandsaw EVERY time you take your finger off the metalwork and even Fender kind of admit that the pups are gutless. Why else would they fit a 5 way switch as standard to their Strats if not as an attempt to get some grunt out of those pickups? This is why I and few others posted clips of gained out Strat players. It's your 9th post and you come out of the gate slagging a great sound that actually isn't too noisy if you work on learning to deal with it. You get the comments you get when you talk like that. Feel free to use the ignore function on me. This post has been edited by klasaine: Apr 1 2014, 10:35 PM -------------------- - Ken Lasaine
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Apr 1 2014, 11:21 PM
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QUOTE (klasaine @ Apr 1 2014, 08:34 PM) OK, relax. This is actually part of what you said ... This is why I and few others posted clips of gained out Strat players. It's your 9th post and you come out of the gate slagging a great sound that actually isn't too noisy if you work on learning to deal with it. You get the comments you get when you talk like that. Feel free to use the ignore function on me. hi kenny. Dont worry my friend i am quite relaxed even though everyone and his dog has disagreed with me. I wouldnt dream of using the ignore function on you even if I knew what it was. I still think that the Seymor Duncan Bumf that Hexbuzzer posted is what the guitar manufacturers should be working toward. I shall look forward to having similar debates with you and the rest of the gang on here in the future. xxQUOTE (Hexabuzz @ Apr 1 2014, 04:27 PM) Ummm... Because a humbucker will never sound like a single coil? And some people prefer that tone? Please read the article and listen to the clips... He does a nice job of explaining and showing the difference, and why you'd want it... Not trying to change your mind, or the tones you prefer, but think perhaps you may have missed some of the subtleties and differences that only singles can give... http://www.seymourduncan.com/blog/the-tone...t-quack-anyway/ And a great performance with amazing tone that just isn't going to happen any other way than with singles... There are so many other classic pickups with unique sounds and that's why they're still making them, like the P-90, which is also a type of single coil. Hi Hexabuzz. sorry but I mentioned you in another reply and realised I got your name wrong. Sorry again, no offence intented. QUOTE (Darius Wave @ Apr 1 2014, 09:16 PM) I love the bite of Single Coils! Those sweet trebles and dynamics. I know it's not visible on my current published vids but I'm more single than some of my friends suspect I would never ate my ego to agree with anybody but I can't honestly say this now...I HAD TO GROWN UP TO SINGLE COIL TONE...Previously I was just wondering why the hell people play pickups that are so harsh and noisy. But..through Years I started to realize WHY and it's impossible to explain to anyone until he/she get's to the same point on he/she 's own. No one could never explain me and I think it's pointless. This day will come for some of us and for some never will. And I think it's nothing bad at all....but just smiled to myself imagining current me trying to explain "young me" why singles are so cool Oh...and the low output, Alnico 5, noisy, not shielded pickups  Oh that yummy glass in tone, this brilliance while playing with fingers and that damn bite while hitting strings with full power Thank you Darius, thats a lovely response. I think I probably came across as too anti single coils where I should have been bemoaning the lack of development in the industry. love your playing by the way. Ha ha ha! Thanx Rod and Hexabuzz - I would never notice they included my vid in this article QUOTE (Mertay @ Apr 1 2014, 07:47 PM) 1-Without being technical but technologically comparing these; Piezo-single-humbucker-active humbucker... This is a row of which can handle+reflect complex harmonic information like chords from better to worst. Whats interesting is it also reflects technological advancement So its not always about technology. When we pull a string, we actually hear many notes inside that 1 note as this is also a character of each sound. 2-Vintage sound is another word for a tone thats standardized. Its a safe route for musicians which is guarantied to succeed specially in a matching genre. Since guitar tone is all about balance, its really not simple to tweak these without changing something else that wasn't intended to change. It might buzz but something else is also in there that others want to hear. No matter how advanced, no tech. can replicate an original perfect. hi Mertay. Thank you for posting. If I understand you correctly the sine wave of a musical note will also incorporate other sub-harmonics of constituent notes. my question about digital modelling being able to represent an authentic vintage tone is not viable then? Ah well it was just a thought. i am tired now so going to sign off for the night. See ya. xx -------------------- |
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Apr 2 2014, 12:53 AM
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QUOTE (Becca @ Apr 1 2014, 03:21 PM) hi kenny. I shall look forward to having similar debates with you and the rest of the gang on here in the future. xxLooking forward to it becky 
This post has been edited by klasaine: Apr 2 2014, 12:58 AM -------------------- - Ken Lasaine
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Apr 2 2014, 12:56 AM
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QUOTE (Becca @ Apr 1 2014, 10:21 PM) hi Mertay. Thank you for posting. If I understand you correctly the sine wave of a musical note will also incorporate other sub-harmonics of constituent notes. my question about digital modelling being able to represent an authentic vintage tone is not viable then? Ah well it was just a thought. i am tired now so going to sign off for the night. See ya. xx That really depends on the expectation but in an engineers view its far from perfect; Problems with sampling fx (amps, pedals etc.) is the gain is always constant, amplitube amps for example are sampled by a fixed gain setting and the drive knob is artificial (which is the reason why some users dislike amplitube's distorted sounds). Too much gain results in extreme unnatural form (visually distorted too) in the sine wave that simply cannot translate. Too low gain then you have the equipment noise affecting the freq. response. Not to mention a sinewave occurring naturally is an extremely rare thing. Its also very delicate to filtering so this both has its up and down sides. But the real problem is although you have a digital representation of an analog sound, you can't reflect it to a standard. Like the speakers, sound card you use will change the sound... http://www.acustica-audio.com/ Check out the website and forum as there is lots of info that should help you understand the benefits and limits. They use a licensed tech. which only works on small amounts of distortion (like studio equipment) but the process is very similar to other brands like kemper, amplitube etc... This post has been edited by Mertay: Apr 2 2014, 12:58 AM |
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