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Feb 27 2012, 02:40 PM
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Hmmm I don't think I have ever noticed.
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Feb 27 2012, 02:44 PM
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I usually give my drummer evil looks and then we laugh and carry on playing.
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Feb 27 2012, 06:55 PM
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This is a very interesting topic Cosmin. My expercience is curious regarding this with my band. I remember that when we were playing the songs from our first album we were happy with it but one day we played in an opened place in the evening and we felt that the songs were soooo slow. Since that day we started to play all the old songs with 5 bpm more and it always sound good. It seems that the adrenaline of playing live makes us need faster tempos.
here you have an example of a song from the first album in its studio and live versions. When we recorded the second album, we tried to have more "live" tempos so we can play most of the songs at the same tempo than the album and it's ok. We always play with metronome that's why the drummer uses in ears. -------------------- My lessons
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Feb 27 2012, 07:37 PM
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QUOTE (Gitarrero @ Feb 27 2012, 03:11 PM)  Yeah, happened all the time with my old band, but only with faster songs. I also think it happens to all rock bands, I've especially noticed it during Green Day shows. But all the guys play at the same speed, so it's okay  what about the Ramones?  -------------------- My lessons
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Feb 27 2012, 07:38 PM
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We don't use a metrinome on stage so depending on the mood, one night will be faster than another.Depends on energy. Given the stuff we play doesn't have any shredding solos, this isn't a problem. Now if we were attempting to do something that requires some shredding, I would definitely insist the drummer start us off with the right tempo because there's a huge difference between 130 bpm and 135 if you've been practicing your solo to 130!
But we have done summer of 69 at double speed for fun! It's actually more fun fast, but if the audience is older, they generally don't appreciate desecrating Bryan Adam's song like that -------------------- The more I practice, the more I wish I had time to practice!
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Feb 29 2012, 04:39 AM
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Also, it can depend....I saw the Dan Balmer Trio ("Go By Train") last night here in Portland at jimmy Mak's, and though there is some improv fuel, they are VERY tight on tempo and such. In my experience, a great jazz drummer will hold tempo better than most, unless directed to do otherwise. They also follow directions better than most drummers!!
QUOTE (Sinisa Cekic @ Feb 27 2012, 04:23 AM) Interesting, I think that jazz concerts are largely free-form-shows based on improvisation, so it is not unusual if the pace is accelerating or decreasing,that usually depending on the artist's inspiration or the current expression  , while in the rock,heavy music, that bass drum initiate everything and the audience perceives it literally as a heartbeat - Pump it and ecstasy is bigger  !!!QUOTE (Cosmin Lupu @ Feb 27 2012, 05:46 AM) that one never worked for me in the beginning I remember the first drummer I ever played with he started the song at about 120 BPM and we were close to 170 I think when we finished So....that guy would have been FIRED!! Kidding. But really, to speed up THAT much during a song, probably fired.  With EMULATOR, tempos are very important!! And extra 5-10bpm's on Contra can literally destroy that song. Luckily, our drummer is virtually a metronome. I CAN'T catch him speeding up on any of our recordings! It's amazing. I guess that's what it takes to get your own Vic Firth signature model stick!! (No kidding) Other than that, with most of my other projects, it's not a huge issues. Also, we'll get to know the set and if my drummer likes to start fast, I'll give him a quick count as to where the "groove" is, so he doesn't rush. I find that this "tempo issue" is certainly more common with beginner/intermediate drummers. I think it's essential for drummers to hit this issue head on, and early. Fundamentals are everything, when it comes to top-notch drumming. Drum solo's don't matter much, it's stick control, tempo control and dynamics that matter, in my opinion. And if a drummer is speeding up more that 10bpm in a song, that's a red-flag that he/she needs to focus on the fundamental of keeping good time. And though rare, I have seen a few excellent drummers using a metronome/earphone to get on a proper tempo before a song. Virtually un-noticable to the crowd if done quickly. --------------------   Check out my awesome Nintendo Cover-band, EMULATOR!! http://www.reverbnation.com/emulator Now.....go practice!! |
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Feb 29 2012, 08:44 PM
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It depends from band to band, usually when band is more experienced, they hardly have problems of some members falling behind tempo. Experienced band works as a team, if they rush, they all rush, if they lean back, they all lean back. In general, rhythm section is providing the tempo, although a lead player can sometimes push things if needed. It requires experience tho, and many gigs played. And yes, on stage it's usually faster, but it requires measure/taste (experience)
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