Printable Version of Topic

Posted by: Emir Hot Sep 5 2009, 04:23 PM

Hi Dexxter

Finally we have it all set and ready to go I hope we will both have some good experience with this. The first thing I would like to know is what you would like to learn and we can take it from there. Please write down your current playing abilities, post some recordings or a video (if you have) and specify which area you would like to focus on. That can be anything from theory, technique, some of my lessons - just whatever you want. I am looking forward to this and I hope that you will learn many useful things throughout this program.

All the best
Emir

Posted by: Dexxter Sep 5 2009, 05:01 PM

Hi Emir! This will be an awesome experience

I think you know me pretty well as a player already, but you can check out my youtube and myspace in my signature if you want

My main goal with guitar is to be able to play exactly what I hear in my mind, whenever I want. So if you got some advice on that, that would be great And this main goal automatically leads into more goals.
Like a lot of technique. Fast AP, sweeping, legato and tapping is the ones I want to master first. I want to be able to use these techniques in my improvisaion without sounding like an excercise. Whenever I try using these techniques fast when I'm improvising, I start playing excercises, which just sounds boring.
Theory is, ofcourse, also a big part of this. I want to learn chords and arpeggios of the major scale and it's modes, and to easily find and see them in every place of the fretboard. To eventually think of notes instead of positions and boxes.

I hope that's enough to get us started, tell me if you need or want to know more

Posted by: Emir Hot Sep 5 2009, 05:06 PM

Thanks Dexxter. I know your playing already and you're not going to need much I will give you some guidelines later today and some charts that you can learn for the start. There will be some boring exercises which you need to practice. Everyone went trhough these but they really have effect. That will help you with AP. Shall we set some main goal to achieve by the end of this program? Pick any of my lessons to work on all the time but we will practice the rest along the way.

Posted by: Dexxter Sep 5 2009, 06:01 PM

Great! Sure Emir, how about this one?

http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/ls/ap_etude_in_am_triplet_feel/

This one should be achievable. This is the only one of your lesson that doesn't seem to far away to put as goal, but that will still be challenging

Edit: When I tried it, I started to believe that I will be able to pull this off sooner than 3 months. But then I'll just choose another one if and when that time comes?

Edit2: Hey Emir, if you want you can say a few words about my take for Gabriels collab that I just uploaded http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_forum/index.php?showtopic=29831&view=findpost&p=419593

Posted by: Emir Hot Sep 5 2009, 08:04 PM

Ok no problem. I am sure you can lern that AP etude. Download the GP file and learn the first 4 bars. This is the video explaining some tips how yo make the dynamics better.



About major scale modes and patterns this chart (attached) will be our starting point. Learn at least 3 positions (boxes) for this week. If you can get them all then it is even better. Later I will show you how you can connect through those easily. This video is about the first 3 positions of G major scale.



Every friday I will give you an assignment so you can do your uploads during weekends.

Posted by: Dexxter Sep 5 2009, 09:24 PM

Great videos, the camera your using is good enough, no need to use the other Ok, should I record myself playing as soon as I've learnt the first 4 bars in 130 bpm? Can you hand me the backing in 127, so I can record over that, please?

About modes and such. I actually know some things about modes, maybe I was a bit unclear on that. So I will try to explain what I already know.
I know all 7 3nps patterns pretty good, and I know which pattern "is" what mode, by having the first note as root. I also know that by changing root note you change mode. And that all seven modes consists of the same notes. I also know what intervals defines the different modes.
What I don't know is how I can see arpeggios and chords and scales as notes of the scale, rather than different patterns. I have a hard time changing between these patterns, except when running the scale up and down and then changing on the first or last string. I also don't know the chords and arpeggios of a given key without thinking to much. I want to learn how to connect arpeggio shapes and scale patterns and all the notes. So I can start anywhere on the fretboard and be totally aware of where I am and what I'm playing, if that makes any sense.
I don't know the CAGED-system good yet, so that will help me hopefully. I just wanted to make sure you are aware of what I know, so you don't need to take time to explain this in a video, when I already know it

I thought that I'd add that I know the pentatonic shapes. I'm a little comfortable with relating the major scale patterns with the pentatonic ones, but this is something I would also like to learn more about eventually

Posted by: Emir Hot Sep 5 2009, 09:30 PM

Ok then the next thing can be arpeggios. They can also be learnt in 5 positions. I will draw a chart for you. I am preparing some chord progression where you will use arpeggios only to start connecting positions and making melodies. That's a great way of learning how to improvise. I had that module at the university, it was called "arpeggiator". I will explain that in a video when I finish. I will send you the backing soon.

Posted by: Dexxter Sep 5 2009, 10:24 PM

Ok, so here's the first four bars played in 127 bpm

Posted by: Emir Hot Sep 6 2009, 12:38 AM

Awesome start. I really like how you feel when to mute the notes. The next part is rhytmicaly the same just different position. You can move on to the next 4 bars and then connect all 8 together. I will make a new backing in 145bpm so you can have one step in between the real tempo. That's better then to jump straight to 170.

Posted by: Dexxter Sep 6 2009, 12:57 AM

Ok, sounds great, I'll get to it tomorrow. Going to bed now

Posted by: Dexxter Sep 6 2009, 11:30 AM

Ok, so I have recorded myself playing all 5 positions of the major scale. I played 16th notes in 80 bpm

Posted by: Emir Hot Sep 6 2009, 11:51 AM

That was perfect. Please never forget those patterns. This will be your main soloing base from now on. I will prepare arpeggios in 5 positions soon and I need you to learn those as well. There will be theory involved in all things we're doing along the way. In the meantime you can work on the AP lesson. Well done Dexter, I think with your great and quick progress we can cover much more than that lesson

----------------------------------

Ok this is your new task until I prepare the rest. Play the same 5 position patterns of major scale but in this order: 1,3,2,4 - 2,4,3,5 etc... This is the video of me playing the 1st position slowly and the 2nd position in faster tempo. You figure out the other 3

Posted by: Dexxter Sep 6 2009, 12:21 PM

Ok, sounds awesome



The task is to play all positions the way you played in this video? Or is it two tasks?
"Play the same 5 position patterns of major scale but in this order: 1,3,2,4 - 2,4,3,5 etc..." I first thought you meant that I should play the first position, then jump to the 3rd, then to the 2nd, to the 4th etc.. Just want to understand correctly

Posted by: Emir Hot Sep 6 2009, 12:37 PM

No, just how I started and you continue. I was talking about notes 1,3,2,4 not positions

Posted by: Dexxter Sep 6 2009, 12:45 PM

Ok, got it


Here's bar 1-8 of the AP lesson

Posted by: Emir Hot Sep 6 2009, 01:39 PM

Great stuff Dexxter. We can get this lesson done very soon I will demonstrate the next part on the video when I find a minute You can work on scale patterns by then.

Posted by: Emir Hot Sep 7 2009, 08:53 AM

Here is the chart that I want you to play. Start from the top and read from left to right. First you play A major in position 5, then you play C major in position 4 etc... When you finish you move to the next row - A major position 1 etc... You should play the whole thing with no stop Make a backing with these chords in order: A, C, D, F, G and play. If you prefer you can only leave drums like last time. This exercise will seriously improve your fretboard skills.

Posted by: Dexxter Sep 8 2009, 07:41 PM

I'm working on this, and I can already see that this will improve my fretboard knowledge really much! I realised that I had to "re-learn" the positions as E-shape, D-shape etc.. to relate the shapes to the root note, and more easily and quicker find my way around the fretboard A real eye-opener for me

I'll post the other task today or tomorrow I hope but this is gonna take more time.

Posted by: Emir Hot Sep 8 2009, 07:58 PM

Take your time man. Later I will produce backing with many chord changes where you should play those patterns easily and switch quickly from one to another. That's where things start to get interesting

Posted by: Dexxter Sep 8 2009, 08:03 PM

Sounds GREAT!

Posted by: Dexxter Sep 14 2009, 11:16 PM

Hi Emir, guitar haven't been the first thing on my mind the last days/week, but now I'm back and practicing

Here's task 2

Posted by: Emir Hot Sep 15 2009, 02:16 AM

Awesome Dexxter. You're doing an awesome job. This was just perfect. Now I am waiting for that whole 5x5 box and we're starting to put all this in context I can't wait to hear your lines over the progression that I will prepare.

Posted by: Dexxter Sep 28 2009, 11:06 PM

Finally, I'm beginning to learn these shapes by heart, how hard can it be? I'll have a video up tomorrow hopefully. Sorry it took so long.

Posted by: Emir Hot Sep 29 2009, 12:21 AM

Cool man, I was going to ask about the progress. Thanks for coming back

Posted by: Dexxter Sep 29 2009, 11:55 PM

Ok, I tried recording it. Not so good but I thought I'd upload something anyway atleast.. here's take 26 & 27. Now it's time to sleep.

Posted by: Emir Hot Sep 30 2009, 05:10 AM

haha that was really funny when you get lost I think you're actually doing great. I'll prepare backing soon where we'll try to connect those shapes using slide and some other approaches. The goal is to construct the solo and move through the positions. Good work Dexxter

Posted by: Dexxter Sep 30 2009, 02:00 PM

Haha, thanks. I'm already feeling this has and will increase my fretboard knowledge and orientation a lot I'll do another try tonight or tomorrow

Posted by: Emir Hot Sep 30 2009, 02:21 PM

Ok, I'll probably have a look at it tomorrow.

Posted by: Dexxter Sep 30 2009, 10:54 PM

Hey Emir, I have another recording for you. I almost nailed it. Just a few wrong notes.

Posted by: Emir Hot Oct 1 2009, 09:36 AM

YEAH. That's what we're looking for Don't worry about those couple of notes. I am preparing the track and a video. I'll show you on that video how to make the solo. Great work

Posted by: maharzan Oct 1 2009, 09:43 AM

I have been watching this thread and if I may pop in, Dexxter, you are really doing a great job. I am 'secretly' following this thread specifically as I also want to increase my knowledge here.

Hope you guys won't mind.

Posted by: Emir Hot Oct 1 2009, 09:53 AM

Of course not I am glad if anyone can learn something here.

Posted by: Emir Hot Oct 1 2009, 11:26 AM

Here we go. Download this backing and let's rock

Posted by: Dexxter Oct 1 2009, 06:33 PM

Hey, thanks a lot! But it's Emir that's doing the great job here Hey, follow it how much you want. I hope Muris won't mind haha



Got you Emir!

Posted by: maharzan Oct 1 2009, 06:34 PM

haha.. don't tell Muris..

alrite.. ok.. I am off to my MTP. I didn't mean to disrupt your thread.

Posted by: Dexxter Oct 3 2009, 12:41 AM

Ok, here's my two first recorded tries Got lost a few times, and there were some bad notes here and there

Posted by: Emir Hot Oct 4 2009, 01:06 PM

Awesome progress. I want to see that you're more comfortable. Tomorrow I am leaving for a whole week and back on the next Monday so you have plenty of time until we move on.

Posted by: Dexxter Oct 4 2009, 01:12 PM

Ok, got it. Have a nice trip

Posted by: Dexxter Oct 8 2009, 11:05 PM

Just uploading this so you can see progress when you get back.

Made another three tries, now in 8th notes. Still a bit uncomfortable.

Posted by: Emir Hot Oct 16 2009, 02:23 PM

Hi Dexxter. I am back now Your last video looks good man. According to the new MTP rules I need to give you assignment every week. Let's polish this and give me one good result on Sunday. After that we will try it in 16th notes. That's going to be a challenge I will do a video of it. That will improve your picking a lot. The week after we're moving to the key changes.

Good luck

Posted by: Dexxter Oct 16 2009, 07:11 PM

Welcome back Emir!
Sounds like a plan!

Posted by: Emir Hot Oct 18 2009, 02:50 PM

Check the new assignment thread

Posted by: Emir Hot Dec 3 2009, 10:38 PM

welcome back man. This is just to let you know that I unlocked this topic so we can continue.

Posted by: Emir Hot Dec 13 2009, 03:39 AM

I have received the arpeggio charts. You followed my design Pretty much is ok but the positions are wrong. This is wrong in dom7 and min7 ones on all charts. Also you're missing one maj7 note in your E/F shape (the one before the 1st root). Nice work btw but this should really be fixed otherwise you'll get confused.

Just to help you quickly:

- in dom7 arpeggio your position 4 should be position 1
- in min 7 arpeggio your position 2 should be position 1

Fix that and record them all

Posted by: Dexxter Dec 13 2009, 01:55 PM

Sent you new charts. I hope I got it perfectly right this time.

Is it a good way to think of which shapes of the major scale the arpeggio is over? Even if the root isn't the same as the chord shape and the chord notes aren't even in the arpeggio? Like I have did in my charts on min7 and dom7.

Posted by: Emir Hot Dec 13 2009, 02:55 PM

I don't know if I got your question right. Each of these shapes produce the chord as well. Of course you will not play all notes at once, only 4 (sometimes 5) notes at the same time.

Posted by: Dexxter Dec 13 2009, 03:11 PM

Like on dom7 chart for example. On "Position 1" I have written "A shape", but only the root and the third can be found in the A Chord from the major scale A Shape. The root being the 5th and the third being the 7th. Do you get what I mean?

Posted by: Emir Hot Dec 13 2009, 04:21 PM

Position 1 is E/F shape. To be precise, if your root is G, then G dom7 shape in position 1 refers to E/F shape. Don't think of E/F you'll get confused. Think of position 1.

Posted by: Dexxter Dec 13 2009, 06:33 PM

But in E/F shape the 7th is major, right? I was thinking of its relation to the other notes in the scale. But I get what your saying. I'll just think of positions with arpeggios.

Posted by: Emir Hot Dec 14 2009, 05:49 PM

Yes, just think of positions and you'll be fine.

Position 1 is called (E/F shape) as when you play an open chord. Try E7 chord on the first 3 frets and then move it all to 5th fret to get A7 bar chord. That's called A dom 7 position 1 (E/F) shape.

Posted by: Dexxter Dec 14 2009, 06:09 PM

Yes, I know that So do you mean that the way you should think of and use E/F shape (and all the other shapes) changes according to if you're key is maj7, min7 or dom7?

Posted by: Emir Hot Dec 14 2009, 06:46 PM

I don't get it again

Posted by: Dexxter Dec 14 2009, 07:05 PM

Damn words haha hard to explain with just words sometimes

Like, if I am playing in the key of A minor for example. Should I think of the same shapes as when I'm in E major for example? Or should I think of an A minor chord with the root on index finger, 6th string and call that "Em shape" (like the open chord) or something?

Posted by: Emir Hot Dec 14 2009, 07:09 PM

This is exactly what you should think of I hope I got the point now.

Posted by: Dexxter Dec 14 2009, 07:38 PM

Yes, great!

Posted by: Emir Hot Dec 14 2009, 09:18 PM

Yeah, finally we understood each other

Posted by: Dexxter Dec 21 2009, 12:25 AM

Sorry Emir, can't make an at least half decent take for you tonight :/ I will give you one tomorrow even if it's a crappy one. Really sorry about delaying

Posted by: Emir Hot Dec 24 2009, 12:47 AM

I left you comment there I trust your talent and all good things that you have in your hands. Just take some time and nail it

Posted by: maharzan Dec 24 2009, 04:31 AM

Hi Dexxter,

Just wanted to know one thing. You have been playing pretty good from what I have seen from videos and wondering if you are actually just improvising on the fly on these videos which is not going 100% right at these takes. I am not sure if we need to do that at this time. For example, I studied the modes and laid out pattern on each chord and just remembered them and played over. If I was to improvise on the fly, that would give me all wrong notes for sure.. at least at this moment. I guess we will need to practice a lot before we can actually do that.

It would be great to do that though.

Thanks,
maharzan

Posted by: Emir Hot Dec 24 2009, 03:54 PM

That's where we're going Maharzan - improvise on the fly I know it's not very easy at this point but it will be soon. These things will force you to think of your root notes and memorize them all on the fretboard. Just don't stop practicing. If you stop you will need to start from beginning.

Posted by: maharzan Dec 24 2009, 07:05 PM

Thanks Emir. I do understand. I can virtually do that (80% i would say) with major scales. But modes are still not fully into my head, tho I feel a bit comfortable with Mixolydian which i started out with.. b7. I am practicing. I will look forward to more modes and excercises next month.

Posted by: Emir Hot Mar 12 2010, 05:34 PM

Back to work Dexxter Sorry for being this late, I had a crazy period in the last couple of months. If you're happy to continue our previous phase of MTP then let's move on. I've just given this backing to Maharzan and this is the copy from his thread.

http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_forum/index.php?act=attach&type=post&id=20336

Am7, D9, Am7, D9
Gm7, C9, Gm7, C9
Am7, D9, Am7, D9
Am6

Over m7 play Dorian and over dominant chord play mixolydian. I need as many licks and lines as possible. Don't use linear scales just up and down. I want you to make interesting phrases and cover the neck as much as possible. Also I need to see that you're connecting positions. Don't just get stuck in one position and jump 3 positions up on the next chord. For example if you are in position 1 for dorian, the next mixolidyan is your position 4 on the same place. Then you can move it one position further and connect the next dorian from there. All I'm saying is that you have to connect shapes without too much jumping. Also for dorian licks try to target interesting notes like b7th and 6th. For mixolidyan use maj3rd and b7th as much as possible so that we can really hear the change of modes. If you don't know all the scales then try with arpeggios, that's easier but also very effective. The solo should have a bluesy vibe

good luck

Posted by: Dexxter Mar 13 2010, 02:48 AM

I'm happy you want to continue with me But didn't the rules change about people continuing? Anyway, to be honest I won't have time for the mtp, GMC or almost let alone a few hours of guitar practice in my life right now. I need to focus on other thing, like becoming an apprentice for that tattoo artist I told you about. We'll see if we can continue our work in the future, but for now I thank you very much for all the things I have learnt here See you

Posted by: Emir Hot Mar 13 2010, 04:39 AM

Ok no problem. Thanks for letting me know. I wasn't going to start the new MTP, I was continuing January - where we stopped I got permission for that. If you're too busy then no problem, good luck with tatoo man.