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Posted by: VinceG Nov 7 2007, 01:56 PM

So whats better? Are both even and a matter of preference or is one more superior to the other. I just saw a demo for Assassin's Creed and I want it. I might be getting a "next gen" system for the holiday, so hopefully you guys can give an advice on which I should ask for/pick up.

Posted by: Hemlok Nov 7 2007, 02:01 PM

I have not tried xbox or PS3. I'm for PC all the way!

Posted by: Maximus Nov 7 2007, 02:07 PM

I played both and bought the ps3. Right now the games are comparable but the PS3 has more room to grow and accept more complex and resource draining games in the future.

Posted by: peterorg54 Nov 7 2007, 02:13 PM

i had 360 and have a ps3. :]

i sold 360 and bought ps3.
because 360 freezes a lot. and ps3 doesn't.

i think graphics are just almost same.

and to play online live game, u should pay for it on 360. and ps3 is free. (which is my most favorite)

and the problem: CD titles..

360 has a lot of cds by now.. but there aren't many cds on ps3 now.. cuz it just came out..
so if u think u can wait untill cds come out, just wait

or suggest u to buy 360 first, and return it in 12months.. and sold , then buy ps3..
(which is what i did .. )

well , i could return it in 12 months at my store.. COSTCO rules !!

Posted by: spdalton Nov 7 2007, 02:48 PM

Yeah the graphics are about equal really.
360 has Halo. There is no PS game that can beat multilayer halo really.
It's also getting Mass Effect very soon which, if you're like me and are a fan of Bioware and RPGs, will be awesome.

The game base for 360 certainly is larger at the moment, and it will take a while for the PS3 to catch up but there's nothing stopping it doing so.

It really depends on what games you like at the moment, as that is all that differentiates the two systems, IMO.

There is still no preferred format of Blu ray or HDDVD so both are equally viable formats.

360 connects seamlessly with any windows pc that has XP or above which is a bonus, as it can be used as a pretty comprehensive media extender. I'm not too sure on how the PS3 compares in that respect.

Posted by: blindwillie Nov 7 2007, 04:27 PM

Agrees.
My hopes are in PS3 because of the hardware and choise of OS. I will buy neither until it's possible to mod them AND run XBMC on one of them. The gaming is just a positive side effect to me. Can be fun for a few hours but thats all, I'm pretty sick of all game genres. What I need and want is the next generation of mediacenter with XBMC.

Posted by: MickeM Nov 7 2007, 06:14 PM

That was probably the hardware issue that's with 360's. Don't know what breaks but a lot of people seem to have it, I got the freezing screen too and MS had UPS pick mine up at my door step and sent it for repair though I got a new one in return.
This may sound silly since it broke and I should perhaps be an unsatisfied customer but I'm very happy with the way MS treated the whole deal. No questions asked and repair at no cost. Well, I wouldn't accept to have it any other way I just assume Sony or anyone else would handle it so smooth.

Then which is better, I don't know, they probably match eachother pretty well. 360 has been out for a while, PS3 will soon have the better games, MS will release a new 360 before the next PS4 and in a while be on top. So that part will just shift, if someone wants whats best today just be active and change between the two, like peterorg54, when whichever is on top.

Posted by: The Uncreator Nov 7 2007, 07:33 PM

Both are worth the buy, PS3 Will be better than 360, but it isnt yet, because PS3 Had a bad launch, and doesnt have very many games out right now.

ive never had my 360 freeze, works great, just get the Pro version or the Elite and all should be good.

PS3 Does have a better graphics engine, but barely.

Posted by: Andrew Cockburn Nov 7 2007, 09:40 PM

I'm also planning on using the PS3 as a media center - you can get some nifty software called TVersity that runs on a PC and acts as a media server for lots of devices, 360 and Ps3 included, so you don't need to wait for XBMC .. worth a look anyway, I haven't tried it with a PS3 yet though.

Posted by: SLASH91 Nov 7 2007, 09:41 PM

On another note, the Xbox online service is only like 50 bucks, and it is way better than the PS3's. Anthother thing is- in most games that come out for both the 360 and PS3, the framerate in the PS3 version is worse.Here's an example of one of the worst ones that they have put out:

http://ps3.gamespy.com/playstation-3/rainbow-six-vegas/801836p1.html

Posted by: Gen Nov 7 2007, 09:48 PM

Well, since silent hill 5 and metal gear solid 4 are gonna be on ps3, i ll choose the.......COMMODORE 64!
Ps3 of course (dont have the money though...)

Posted by: Francisca Nov 8 2007, 12:22 AM

I'd go for the 360 purely because it has and will have more games to play with than the PS3. The major reason is that many developers are holding back on thePS3 because developing games on the new system is so awkward and extremely complex.

Innovation is nice and all, but if it makes you cry just to try and develop a decent game for it then perhaps it went a bit too far.

I used to be a Playstation fan, but the PS3 is the first in the series that I will not be buying.

On a side note, of course there are those who think learning the new skills required is no other than what a developer had to go through working on the Xbox 360. See http://www.gamingforumwars.com/gamingfourmwar-about279.html

Posted by: SDMF75 Nov 8 2007, 12:39 AM

360 here. Had the original XBOX and love the 360.

Posted by: bricktop Nov 8 2007, 12:49 AM

I'd say get the one where the games you like the most are. Remember the PS3 can play a bunch of ps2 titles now, and you can watch blu-ray movies too. It does make it easier that it's all built into one machine. It's just so darn expensive I think... the 40gb stay away from, they cut a lot of corners..

I used to own an xbox360 and the 3 red lights of death left a bad taste in my mouth, this was before xbox decided to fix all the units. Halo is so overrated, the first one was fun because it was different, but I didn't even play Halo 2, only the multiplayer. And then you have to listen to a bunch of whiny 12 year olds over xbox live. Xbox live had a lot going for it, but everything comes with a cost, downloadable shows, games, they all cost something.

I'm trying to find a Ninteno Wii, and here in the states it is still very hard to find! It's got to be doing well, sales wise, and it doesn't have the best graphics, but games that are fun is where it hits a home run.

I'm more a pc gamer, so we still have a ps2 for the kids, I think we'll end up getting a wii since I don't play anymore, just playing guitar now!

Posted by: ZakkWylde Nov 8 2007, 01:36 AM

360 has far more games and it has some hits like gears of war,halo3 ...
PS3 has (right now) absolutely nothing worth playing exept for multi console games that you can also play on xbox. The last thing is the price: guess which one is cheaper and offers more...

Posted by: botoxfox Nov 8 2007, 01:44 AM

PS3 Why? http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/97/Mgs4logo.png
That's not until next year though...

Posted by: blindwillie Nov 8 2007, 01:47 AM

Thanks for the TVersity Andrew. I just read the FAQ and it sounds really interesting. I'm downloading it now for a testdrive. To bad it doesn't come for linux yet.

Not time for PS3 or Xbox360 yet though.

Posted by: Andrew Cockburn Nov 8 2007, 03:06 AM

Yeah if it ran on linux that would be a killer app - MythTV is a linux alterntive - good but very fiddly to install. I had it running with an XBox frontend. It was pretty good as a media viewer but not quite so good as a PVR, mainly because the set top box intergration sucked.

Posted by: Xranthoius Nov 8 2007, 03:22 AM

360 all the way, better graphics, cheaper, x box live, etc...

Posted by: blindwillie Nov 8 2007, 03:25 AM

True, I looked at MythTV and it looks impressive but I gave it up because of all the fiddling. And there was alot to fiddle with. For running 24 hour services I'd prefer linux apps since I already have some linux servers doing just that. They are great for "set it and leave it" stuff and they are shoved away in my garage so I'm not bothered by the noise. And they heat up the garage a bit

Posted by: Andrew Cockburn Nov 8 2007, 03:28 AM

Agreed on all points TVesristy for linux would be just about perfect ...

Posted by: Owen Nov 8 2007, 03:38 AM

I have never ever owned a game console.

Had a PC for about 10-11 years now though, even when my family was below the poverty line we had a pc before nearly everyone else.

Posted by: VinceG Nov 8 2007, 10:50 AM

hmm seems like xbox 360 is the win for me. Im not too fond of Metal Gear so I could give less of crap out of that. My only "real" problem is the new GTA but I heard it going to launch on both consoles so thats a good thing.

What about the 3 ring of death? Are those only fund of the first wave of 360 or all of them to recent date?

Posted by: AliMo Nov 8 2007, 11:12 AM

Depends what you want out of it. If you want a system with lots of features other than just games than get the PS3, you can get a lot out of it. Personally I buy game systems to play games on, anything else I need I'll use my computer. If your in the same boat as me you shouldn't hesitate to buy the 360......... Halo3, Gear of War (Gears of War 2 coming out sometime soon), Assassins Creed, Mass Effect, Huxley(gonna destroy every game known to man), plus lots of other great games, these are just the exclusives that come to mind. But like I said, if you want more out of it then just games, go for PS3, and it is still kinda early, maybe itll come out with some new stuff in the future.


BTW, if you go 360, my gamertag is AIiMo, hope to see u!

Posted by: The Uncreator Nov 8 2007, 11:54 AM

I gotta buy PS3, Metal Gear Solid 4 calls me to its beacon, as does Final Fantasy XIII and Final Fantasy VII

Posted by: SLASH91 Nov 8 2007, 12:39 PM

Not only is GTA launching on both consoles simultainiously, but I've heard that the 360 version will have exclusive content downloadable via Xbox Live.

Posted by: mattacuk Nov 8 2007, 05:36 PM

Well i do dont play many games now due to guitar , but i do like them alot. If i had the choice between 360 and PS3, to be honest id take the PS3 due to the fact alot of people seem to have faults with the 360.

That said, id much rather have a super PC with top of the range graphics card

Posted by: VinceG Nov 9 2007, 01:10 PM

Does the 3 Red Ring light or whatever only happen on the first wave of 360?

Posted by: Eat-Sleep-andJam Nov 11 2007, 12:16 AM

Ok well Im kinda a big gamer so Ill give you the run down. THe Xbox 360 team when they were releasing about a batch of 1,000,00 Xboxs the welding for one small chip in the Xbox was done " Half -Assed" . Hence The 3 red lights would eventually appear as a internal error because of the welding. Now , Microsoft ( being the responsable company that they are ) payed around 1,000,000,000 $ to fix the problem. Now I did have the 3 red lights. Had to send it in and wait a month to get it back. For the most part all the misfits Xbox's are repaired. But if this bothers you , you can simply by a xbox and return it once a month here and there ( but thats if your really worried about it, which you shouldnt be because its not even a big deal anymore.) The Xbox itself is a wayyyyyyyyyyy better system then PS3 is at the moment.



Xbox 360 has released hits like Gears of War
Call of Duty 4
Halo3
Bio Shock
Guitar Hero 3
Just to name a few.


And is also Releasing games that will be hits like Assasins Creed , This Tuesday
Grand Theft Auto 4
Mass Effect
Kayne and Lynch ( From the Makes of Hitman)

Ps3 does have better graphics and free online play but the games Suck and the online for the Xbox 360 and games are farrrrrrrrr better.

Posted by: SLASH91 Nov 11 2007, 12:25 AM

Couldn't have summed it up better myself

Posted by: VinceG Nov 11 2007, 09:07 AM

Ok slash so what your saying is any xbox that is out at the moment could be one of those fasrt-made batches or did they got there act together and started making quality 360's.

Posted by: SLASH91 Nov 11 2007, 11:02 AM

As I understand it, they are making higher quality Xbox 360s now, and as Eat Sleep Jam said, they spent $1,000,000,000 reimbursing the customers who got the ring of death. I'm one of these customers, and my new Xbox works perfectly, haven't had any screwups. So, I guess that it's possible to get a crappy 360, but you'd have to get pretty unlucky. You'd be taking a risk, but even if it was a piece of crap, you'd still get a new one which would probably work perfectly with no charge. I think that Microsoft also extended the warrenty to 2 years. Could be wrong about that, though.

Posted by: VinceG Nov 11 2007, 12:50 PM

ahh thank you Slash for the help. I will get a 360 then. I guess your not getting ripped off either way.

Posted by: mattacuk Nov 11 2007, 06:00 PM

My nephew had a 360 for christmas, and it scored ALL his game discs when his father phoned up microsoft to complain they said they wernt liable !!

Posted by: shredmandan Nov 11 2007, 06:06 PM

For me thats a tough one.I always liked playstation better ,but had a XBOX360 awhile back.It was really cool but only took 3 months before it stoped working with the flashing red lights thing Lucky for me i purchased the extended warrenty and got it fixed.Once i got it back i sold it though like everything else i owned .Xbox offer's great service especially on there warrenty.I havent got to check out PS3 but i think i like the XBOX better now.

Posted by: SLASH91 Nov 12 2007, 05:27 AM

Ahh, so he's the one who sued Microsoft for that?

Posted by: VinceG Nov 12 2007, 06:36 AM

Now that I am doing more research. PS3 is sounding good right now. Yea sure, not a lot of games are out but PS3 gives you so much. Free online(tell me something about this free online stuff please), blue ray dvd, and comes with hd av cables (i think but correct me on this) and it doesn't over heat. Im thinking of buying the 360 elite and it cost more than ps3 so it might be a ps3 win for me.

Posted by: kevin-riff-after-riff Nov 16 2007, 05:13 AM

360 if you every want to play with people online, although its 12 months for 20-30 british pounds (depends from where) the whole online system is better on the 360 than the PS3
BUT Im sure the PS3 has got to have better graphics and MAYBE faster gaming since its got like 10 million processors, i dont know coz i dont have PS3, i only have 360 and at the moment i am quite so happy bout it, nothings broken etc.

Posted by: SDMF75 Nov 16 2007, 05:25 AM

I had the 3 ring light problem and Microsoft was extremely helpful. I had mine back in less than 3 weeks. My warranty had run out by a few weeks from the 3 month extension so I paid half of the regular price for the repair ($67 or so). A few weeks after I got the XBOX back Microsoft mailed me a check for $127 with a letter telling me that they were extending my warranty for one year. I'll probably won't by any other platform from here on out.

Posted by: Goliath Nov 16 2007, 06:10 AM

A more fair response with somewhat less of a bias:

It really depends on you. If you're moderately tech savvy and want to play online, then there is no question (at all) the 360 is for you. The online system (marketplace) is fantastic. Finding games is never hard. They release old console classiscs you can download for about $12 USD (Castlevania: Symphony of the Nigh <3). They have music videos and an "on demand" movie download service (about $3 USD or so). They're constantly rolling out content for their games, you can look at trailers for games that are coming out, download demos, etc.

Now that being said, if you're playing by yourself and not going online, flip a coin. The PS3 has better graphics, but you don't truly realize the benefit of this without an HD TV. Sadly, the 'heavy hitter' games that come to PS3 are not ps3 exclusives and are typically available on other consoles.

360 has a bigger game library and since you're coming in so late in the game, you can enjoy all the other decent titles that have come out pretty cheap.

if you want to watch Blu-Ray movies, you can do that on the PS3. you can buy a $100 HD-DVD player upgrade for your 360, but it's really not worth it, again, unless you already have an HD television.

So far, all Sony has delivered is promises. 360 has a couple good games under it's belt that are worth checking out.

All this said, I don't know if Assassin's Creed is what you want to buy a system based on. I own it, it's neat, but I'm fairly certain my copy will be popping up on ebay in a couple weeks. It's fairly repetitive, BUT it is really cool. Climbing around on stuff is fun. If you got a 360, I'd shoot for Halo 3, or Gears of War (both have decent multi). If you're going to have friends coming over a lot, perhaps a Wii would be better for you.

That all said, depending on your tastes in music, GH3 is a disappointment if you were a fan of the previous 2 games. The "Legends of Rock" moniker was a horrendous misnomer. The good news is it's available on all systems in question.

I would get one of the consoles you want and a subscription to Gamefly for a couple months if you're in the US.

Posted by: Goliath Nov 16 2007, 06:32 AM

as for speculation as to which console is going to "win". Right now, signs clearly point to the 360, but that's not to say a couple heavy hitting titles and another price rollback can't counter that on the PS3's part.

If you look at last gen, the PS2 was the dog, it had inferior processing capability in the arms race BUT it came out a year earlier. While there were absolutely no decent titles for about the first year and a half of the PS2, they eventually came, and came often. I don't think anyone will argue with you if you declared that PS2 was the winner of the last console war. Xbox and Nintendo were late to market. Nintendo tried to innovate and managed to do so at the expense of alienation of a lot of the gaming population (that controller, blech, yes I owned 2 game cubes, and still, blech).

Fast forward to the next gen. 360 comes out over a year ago while PS3 and Wii hit later on. That said, Wii is blowing the other two away since it didn't even really try to compete on the same types of games like it did in the last iteration. It's definitely THE party console and has outsold the other two by a landslide (and it's still much cheaper). Who's going to finish in the number 2 spot? My guess is Xbox, it's still outselling PS3 and Sony's hype machine really hasn't got the ball rolling quite like it should have. Microsoft is continually snatching up developers through amazing support. Major League Gaming (lame, I know)has picked Halo 3 to be it's next console shooter. You can bet it will pick up the new Smash Brothers title as well.

That all said, I'd be surprised if PS3 over turns 360's lead simply because it has superior hardware. What if HDDVD is chosen as the next great thing then those blu-ray discs become less available and games go up in price? Not a guarantee but 360 is a good old fashioned regular DVD.

So far the two "must have" titles have fizzled on ps3 (Lair and Heavenly Sword)

Posted by: Soul_Decision Nov 16 2007, 06:51 AM

I like the Xbox 360 it does have great games. Though Ps3 is still newer then the 360 so they don't have too many great games out. I might end up buying a Ps3 once the lower the $$$$ on it.

Posted by: ibanezkiller Nov 16 2007, 07:08 AM

Xbox 360 ... Halo 3 but if wii was added i would choose that for it ROCKS

Posted by: stratman33 Nov 16 2007, 07:13 AM

xbox 360's the way to go...you got halo 3 yeahhhhhhh baaaaabyyyyyyyyy

Posted by: Kaneda Nov 25 2007, 02:08 AM

I'll just dig this up, and vote for the Xbox 360...

Actually considered getting the PS3 too, until I got a look into development on both of them (as one of those side projects that steal time from this place ).

The PS3. Is. A. Nightmare. It has a lot of potential, but I'm fearing more and more that this potential will never be fulfilled. The development ought to be easy enough, considering most of the development kit is non-proprietary and open source, and a programmer will know a lot of the technology beforehand.

I certainly prefer Sony's choice of development model in this way. But debugging (i.e. "fixing problems") is an insanely complex task on a piece of hardware like this.

"Ideally", 50% of the time spent on a project for the PS3 would be spent on trying to make the final game actually work. That's "ideally" as in, "if we don't want problems with the game, or inferior quality", not "ideally" as in, "that's how it should be".

Of course, actually getting the full development kit for creating a game still costs quite a bit - sadly, Sony had to drop the price of that 50% recently, because not enough companies are buying it. In other words, too few companies are actually developing anything for the PS3 at the moment. It's simply too much of a risk, since the complexity means more bugs when the title is released - if it's ever released, that is.

Again, this is not the developer support department at SCEA's fault - they're doing everything they can to cater to the developer. The PS3 is just a piece of problematic hardware. Obviously in terms of "more advanced" but also in terms of "dubious design". They can't help that.

At the moment, the superior graphics and features compared to the Xbox 360 have been largely theoretical. In quite a few games, the PS3 version has been inferior to the X360 version. Not due to the X360 having more power, but simply due to it taking way too much time to wrench the power out of the PS3.

As for the problems with the Xbox 360 for end users, they certainly exist. I've never encountered them (had about 5 freezes in 2 years, nothing else). But problems are far from rare - but then, it's not hard to get that fixed. The X360 is certainly not the most advanced of the two, but as it looks right now, I'd be careful with buying the PS3

Posted by: Joey Nov 25 2007, 02:34 AM

xbox 360 is definitely the way to go. its becoming more and more popular and theyve lowered the price again recently. its surpassed the wii in monthly sales now making it the best selling 'next gen' console. and that makes developers want to work with the 360 even more. and i dont think theres anything to worry about now as far as the red lights goes, since theyve extended the warranty and the newer consoles arent even affected by it. mines fromt he launch date and its only frozen twice since i had it, and that was when i played oblivion for like 10 hours straight. i just dont think ps3 can win now i mean theyve stripped so much away from it jsut to make it cost what a 360 did when it launched, its way harder to develop games for it, it doesnt have a console selling game like the xbox always has, and the perk of Xbox live is enough to sway anyones opinion.

Posted by: The Uncreator Nov 25 2007, 02:40 AM

XBOX 360 may have better online play, but once games like Metal Gear Solid 4: Sons Of Liberty, Final Fantasy VII Remake, Final Fantasy XIII hit the shelves, PS3 Will be my number one system.

Unfortuneatly those games are far off, so i gotta wait...