Guitar Chat with Muris etc. 2007-08-02 |
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Guitar Chat with Muris etc. 2007-08-02 |
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Aug 8 2007, 07:42 PM |
07:18:07 muris: Hey Owen
07:18:58 muris: *slap* 07:19:25 Owen: hi 07:19:35 Owen: woah, my browser went a bit funny there :P 07:19:51 Owen: how are you today? 07:20:25 muris: all fine 07:20:27 muris: you? 07:21:29 Owen: I'm good, pc's crashing a bit though 07:21:48 muris: ahh 07:21:54 muris: that's not good 07:22:04 muris: is it xp? 07:22:17 Owen: yeah 07:22:41 Owen: gotta restart gimme a second 07:22:44 muris: you have nice spam/virus defence? 07:22:46 muris: ok 07:23:49 Owen: thats better 07:23:53 Owen: sorry it was just really laggy 07:24:29 Owen: I see EMI has been sold 07:25:34 muris: yeah? 07:25:37 muris: to who? 07:26:10 Owen: a private company called... Terra Firma 07:26:53 Owen: huge amounts of money involved :p 07:27:06 muris: as always :) 07:27:59 Owen: yeah, its strange, EMI have been going for ages now, suddenly now just to dissolve into part of a private company 07:29:06 Owen: but yeah, what are you up to? anything interesting? :) 07:29:26 muris: yeah,but EMI's people will still rule the company I guess 07:29:36 muris: only owner is changed I think 07:30:09 Owen: apparently they were in debt 07:30:18 muris: odd 07:30:27 muris: such a huge company 07:30:36 muris: digital age kills everybody 07:30:46 muris: bigger the most 07:31:01 Owen: I dunno, album sales have stayed constant here in the UK 07:31:18 Owen: only singles sales have dropped, but who really wants to buy singles, it seems pointless 07:31:20 muris: it's time for indie stuff 07:31:50 muris: record companies have been taking a lot for a long time 07:32:04 muris: ofering not too much tho 07:32:53 Owen: hmm, yeah I suppose digital means artists can lay claim to a bigger part of the money section of things 07:33:17 Owen: I cant see music in shops dying out though 07:33:52 muris: yeah 07:34:00 muris: problems are more deep 07:34:06 Owen: theres a greater convenience too it, plus it feels nicer to have something like a cd in your hands 07:34:20 muris: of course 07:34:39 muris: but indie artists are releasing CDs as well 07:34:44 muris: me per example 07:35:00 muris: not saying that I'm a major one 07:35:10 muris: butthere are millions of them outside 07:35:37 Owen: :P its got easier to produce music I reckon, but its still a relatively skilled thing to do 07:35:39 muris: and they realized that record companies are not needed tahat much anymore 07:36:16 Owen: I mean, I can record something relatively easily, but thats not guarantee of it sounding good lol 07:36:24 Owen: no* 07:36:28 muris: course 07:36:41 muris: but you don't need record company to sound good 07:37:01 Owen: yep, they're really more to get you noticed 07:37:10 muris: they were 07:37:21 muris: now you have all idiependent 07:37:25 Owen: I think most relatively large artists get most of their money from touring now? 07:38:18 muris: producers,marketing agencies,web promotion etc 07:38:24 muris: less expensive 07:39:00 muris: some from touring,some from tantiems,as we call it 07:39:08 Owen: tantiems? 07:39:10 muris: copy rights 07:39:15 muris: sort of 07:39:35 Owen: like making money from having your music as a soundtrack to something ? 07:39:50 muris: or on TV,radio 07:40:06 muris: they have to pay to composer/band 07:40:38 Owen: ah, yeah, but then theres the internet radio stations now, I dont think a lot of them actively pay musicians if they use their songs 07:41:01 muris: some pay,some not 07:41:08 Owen: I dont know what the in's and out's of the whole thing are though 07:41:30 muris: thing is too complex for sure 07:43:19 Owen: btw, your website photo of yourself is pretty spooky, did you mean for it to be like that? :P 07:48:26 muris: lol 07:48:29 muris: no idea 07:48:35 muris: it just went that way 07:48:45 muris: tho I'm not scary guy really 07:48:48 muris: :) 07:50:03 Owen: :D maybe its just the whole blue theme :) 07:50:14 muris: might be ;) 07:53:40 Owen: sorry, I'm not talking much, I'm just admiring the stuff on your website :p 07:54:40 muris: thanks :) 07:55:26 Owen: woah, how'd it feel to play in huge 10 thousand people crowds? 07:56:26 muris: it was 80.000 few nights ago :) 07:56:35 Owen: seriously? 07:56:37 muris: aha 07:56:43 Owen: woah, thats the stuff dreams are made of xD 07:56:49 muris: stadium,olypic 07:57:02 muris: olympic* 07:57:23 dynamite_dude: hey all 07:57:33 Owen: woah, I'd be seriously worried about messing up, thats like a huge amount of pressure 07:57:37 Owen: hey! 07:57:43 dynamite_dude: woah, you haven't passed out yet? oO 07:57:52 Owen: me? 07:59:00 dynamite_dude: aye 07:59:08 dynamite_dude: at the rate you were going.. :p 07:59:18 Owen: I've had ten hours sleep :P 07:59:36 dynamite_dude: yeah, 10 - 12 is becoming the norm for me too 08:00:02 dynamite_dude: 80,000, heh? :o 08:00:21 Owen: I needed to let the beer wear off, my theory was going crazy :D 08:00:44 dynamite_dude: well, you got it third time 'round! 08:00:59 Owen: :P 08:01:27 Owen: better than the guitarists in my band, they dont even know what key they're in xD 08:01:59 Owen: I asked one the other night, and he was like 08:02:03 Owen: "whats a key?" 08:02:16 dynamite_dude: ouch 08:02:18 Owen: I about died ¬__¬ 08:02:46 dynamite_dude: I'd think it was forgiveable if he didn't know the key.. but what a key is.. lol 08:02:58 dynamite_dude: what stuff is the band playing? 08:03:08 Owen: metal xD 08:03:50 dynamite_dude: sweet. 08:04:04 Owen: well it would be, if they knew actually what to do :P 08:04:55 dynamite_dude: well.. you can't have everything! :p 08:05:07 Owen: the drummers like miles ahead of their ability already, its worrying 08:06:09 dynamite_dude: that's great though.. it's near impossible to find a good metal drummer around here.. let alone a good rock drummer 08:06:18 dynamite_dude: then you get the guys who think they can play metal guitar 08:06:22 dynamite_dude: me in cluded :p 08:06:28 Owen: :P 08:06:51 Owen: GMC sure would be interesting if everyone lived in the same locality 08:08:18 dynamite_dude: haha, aye 08:08:20 Owen: although the instructors might find it irritating with all the newbies like myself knocking away at their doors asking for help xD 08:08:46 dynamite_dude: "go away, you're drunk" "but I know what key I'm in...!" 08:08:47 dynamite_dude: lmao 08:09:05 Owen: haha 08:09:47 Owen: out of interest, where are you from anyway? :P 08:10:22 dynamite_dude: london, uk 08:10:28 dynamite_dude: yourself? 08:10:35 Owen: Scotchland xD 08:10:49 dynamite_dude: ahh nice, a friend of mine from uni lives up there 08:10:55 dynamite_dude: been once too.. like the place! 08:11:26 Owen: heh, its alright, bits of it are a bit shabby though 08:11:46 dynamite_dude: aye 08:11:57 dynamite_dude: makes a change from all this concrete 08:12:38 Owen: :P, I figured you had to live somewhere in the UK if you kept on saying "aye" :D 08:13:10 dynamite_dude: s'just habitual :p 08:14:57 muris: guess you're in advance here guys :) 08:15:20 Owen: hmm? 08:15:28 muris: both from UK 08:16:05 dynamite_dude: well, don't feel left out, Mr Olympic Stadium player :D , I feel left out if anything :p 08:16:14 Owen: :D 08:16:23 dynamite_dude: where are you from again, Muris? 08:16:31 muris: Sarajevo 08:16:58 muris: hope you heard of 08:17:00 muris: :) 08:17:05 dynamite_dude: aha! yes, yes of course I have! 08:17:07 Owen: I wouldnt want to live there :( it's a bit unstable isnt it? 08:17:28 muris: stable for 10 ten years 08:17:31 dynamite_dude: well I've lived here all my life.. so I'm a bit used to London... 08:17:36 muris: war stoped 15 year4s ago 08:18:02 muris: or 13 08:18:04 muris: same thing 08:18:07 dynamite_dude: :p 08:18:15 muris: ;) 08:18:27 dynamite_dude: can't imagine though.. how are things in the country at the moment? 08:18:37 muris: fine 08:18:46 muris: politics sucks like everywhere 08:18:53 dynamite_dude: indeed! 08:19:00 muris: :) 08:19:26 Owen: they're quite interesting in Scotchland at the moment :P 08:19:28 dynamite_dude: in london they're thinking of electing a clown as mayor.. eugh. met him once when he came to my school.. he would not shut up 08:19:39 Owen: BORIS! 08:19:42 dynamite_dude: indeedio 08:20:05 dynamite_dude: everybody seems to get a laugh out of him, but I just can't seem to manage 08:20:09 Owen: guys an idiot, but he's probably better than Ken :P 08:20:38 dynamite_dude: lmao. 08:21:06 dynamite_dude: muris, how'd you get to play at the olympic stadium? what was the occasion? 08:21:42 muris: it was a masive event/concert 08:22:02 muris: regarding to 600 years of Islam in Bosnia 08:22:16 muris: I know what you're thinking 08:22:17 muris: :) 08:22:26 Owen: do you? 08:22:27 Owen: :P 08:22:30 muris: lol 08:22:32 muris: joke 08:22:32 Owen: what am I thinking? 08:22:32 dynamite_dude: hehe 08:22:37 Owen: :P 08:22:40 muris: it was awesome indeed 08:22:43 dynamite_dude: feel let down now, owen? :p 08:22:49 muris: great vibes 08:23:03 muris: and stagemlight etc 08:23:06 dynamite_dude: I can't even imagine how it must've been.. it's just such a great event 08:23:23 Owen: I can imagine, with *envy* 08:23:29 dynamite_dude: hehe 08:23:42 muris: that's ok tho :) 08:23:58 muris: horible stuff in UK lately 08:24:08 Owen: musically? 08:24:11 muris: no 08:24:11 dynamite_dude: lmao 08:24:17 muris: neam of terorism 08:24:21 dynamite_dude: aye, we know what you mean 08:24:25 muris: but it's such a mess 08:24:25 Owen: meh 08:24:28 Owen: its all hype 08:24:44 muris: like Islam terorism 08:24:54 dynamite_dude: it's not nice.. I was in prague and it all started happening while I was gone.. airport's being shut-down, etc 08:24:58 Owen: Islaming extremist counted for a total of 0.5% of all the terrorist attacks accross Europe in the last decade 08:25:03 muris: there;s no religion in conection with terorism 08:25:07 dynamite_dude: and granted that I absolutely hate flying :l 08:25:30 muris: they SAY they are doing it in name of Islam 08:25:30 Owen: well obviously, I'm just saying people who take a radical stance on what something means 08:25:36 muris: but it's totaly wrong 08:25:53 Owen: exactly, I dont condone it, but the whole thing has been blown out of proportion 08:26:00 muris: yeah 08:26:02 muris: too much 08:26:05 dynamite_dude: sad thing is, you can't just get rid of these people, aye 08:26:21 dynamite_dude: if only there was a button somewhere.. 08:26:39 muris: get rid of who? 08:26:40 Owen: well thats what we seem to think we can do 08:27:06 dynamite_dude: the idiots who actually take part in these attacks 08:27:08 Owen: we forget that these people are integrated into our society as much as we are, but still we go and bomb innocents 08:27:27 muris: yeah 08:27:40 muris: everybody make mistakes 08:27:52 Owen: I refuse to believe that 1/40th of the population of Iraq were terrorists 08:28:02 dynamite_dude: oO 08:28:12 muris: of course 08:28:13 muris: I mean 08:28:30 muris: guys that kills a man in NY for money 08:28:33 muris: same thing 08:29:02 muris: terorism is all around 08:29:07 muris: diferent shapes and names 08:29:38 dynamite_dude: aye 08:29:49 dynamite_dude: it's generalised too much 08:29:58 Owen: yeah, its sad that we live in societies were people are prepared to do these things 08:30:06 muris: yeah 08:30:17 muris: it goes from school,street,TV etc 08:31:02 muris: main problem is the name 08:31:12 muris: Islamic terorism 08:31:26 muris: Islam forbids every act of violence 08:31:34 muris: like every religion 08:31:43 muris: it's bettle of east and west 08:31:49 muris: not that much of religions 08:32:00 Owen: yeah, so does christianity, but there was still the crusades =/ 08:32:11 muris: yeah 08:32:22 muris: that is a black chapter for sure 08:32:26 dynamite_dude: a lot of things [most] are just bastardized by the media 08:32:27 Owen: i think its this concept of doing something "for the greater good" 08:32:31 muris: but it's all done by man 08:32:36 muris: not holly book 08:32:36 dynamite_dude: but you can't have much control over that at all.. 08:33:34 muris: man is the sinner,in every way :) 08:34:43 Owen: hmm, there will always be war and it will probably be our undoing 08:34:51 muris: yeah 08:34:55 muris: sad but true 08:35:54 dynamite_dude: so... anybody around here know what a guitar is? ;) 08:36:06 Owen: :P 08:36:08 dynamite_dude: sorry I just hear too much on the topic daily.. :p 08:36:32 muris: yeah 08:36:32 Owen: I hear a guitar is one of those wooden things with random bits of metal attached 08:36:37 muris: just wanted to sat the same 08:36:39 muris: :) 08:36:41 Owen: makes a funny noise if you hit it in the right way 08:36:43 dynamite_dude: percussion I've heard.. haha 08:36:52 dynamite_dude: ouch, same line of thought 08:36:55 dynamite_dude: :p 08:37:34 dynamite_dude: still need to lay it off for another day 08:37:46 dynamite_dude: fretting hand's wrist is still messed up 08:37:47 dynamite_dude: >.< 08:38:06 Owen: ouch, how'd you manage that? 08:38:09 muris: is it getting better? 08:38:33 dynamite_dude: yeah it is, had it several time's actually 08:38:44 dynamite_dude: it's either that I don't play with a relaxed hand 08:39:11 dynamite_dude: or that I don't warm-up properly, race to the fast stuff... or a combination of the two 08:39:18 dynamite_dude: it's a real downer, but my fault in the end 08:40:06 dynamite_dude: I get it whenever I come back to give a real go at serious practice.. so 6 hours / day actual practicing, or whatever. I do that for 2, 3 days.. and by then the pain's already there.. always same part of the wrist 08:40:22 Owen: I normally just go straight to the fast stuff, but I think I have pretty relaxed hand positioning 08:40:54 dynamite_dude: just a bit tired of not having made much progress [learning song-wise] in the last few months and would like to start a band when I get back to uni this year 08:41:37 muris: hope you'll be back in shape again :) 08:41:41 muris: must go now guys 08:41:46 muris: have some job to do 08:41:52 muris: talk later 08:41:57 muris: ;) 08:42:08 dynamite_dude: thanks man, take care! 08:42:14 dynamite_dude: ah, timing. 08:42:42 Owen: :P 08:43:04 Owen: although I do have majorly wierd wrists :D 08:43:41 dynamite_dude: such luck :p 08:43:54 Owen: seriously, they protrude 08:44:21 dynamite_dude: hm.. so does that make holding the neck easier for you? 08:44:27 dynamite_dude: well, I guess you have nothing to compare to 08:45:12 Owen: haha not really 08:45:18 Owen: but every time someone notices they are like 08:45:20 Owen: Ewwwww 08:46:19 dynamite_dude: lol, such critics 08:46:49 dynamite_dude: I don't really think it's bad to any extent, and anybody who says so has nothing better to say 08:47:14 Owen: but I have majorly sucky circulation too, haha, my hands swell in winter, so sometimes I cant play guitar 08:48:04 dynamite_dude: your hands swell? hm.. 08:48:15 Owen: literally 08:48:21 Owen: the fingers become all puffy 08:48:25 dynamite_dude: I was starting to think my circulation was bad in my hands, but definately not to that extent 08:48:35 Owen: my knuckles go purple and occassionally the skin bursts open 08:48:35 dynamite_dude: is this even at home? 08:48:41 dynamite_dude: yeouch. 08:48:53 Owen: if I use keyboard too much in winter, it happens 08:49:34 dynamite_dude: it can get quite cold up there, heh? 08:50:47 Owen: my room = tiny radiator xD 08:51:02 dynamite_dude: hehe 08:52:06 dynamite_dude: what pisses me off too is that.. well, I can't believe I only just figured this out [or perhaps it's slight paranoia, lmao], but I think I'm putting way too much effort into my bends, by not using leverage at all 08:52:51 dynamite_dude: like whenever I try to play fast-bendy parts, i.e. first solo first bar, mr crowley.. they're meant to be the easiest section of the solo, yet turn out to be the hardest 08:53:13 Owen: :P your not using levarage? 08:54:15 Owen: e* 08:55:45 dynamite_dude: well, take any bend 08:56:12 dynamite_dude: you need to put your thumb over the top, and twist your forearm 08:56:36 dynamite_dude: using leverage off the neck/index finger area 08:57:00 dynamite_dude: I, on the other hand, don't twist, but just push straight up with my fingers 08:57:27 dynamite_dude: very subtle difference in technique.. but it seems to make a difference :/ vibrato at the top of big bends is a bitch 08:58:05 Owen: is it humanly possible to bend at the first fret? 08:58:46 dynamite_dude: .. uhuh :p 08:58:57 dynamite_dude: a semitone or so :p 08:59:30 Owen: :P only on the low e 09:00:26 dynamite_dude: just tried it on the high e 09:00:36 dynamite_dude: .. shredded my skin, but it worked, just :p 09:01:34 Owen: If you dont twist you dont catch the string right I notice 09:01:40 Owen: thats only for bends up 09:01:43 Owen: bends down seem easy 09:02:44 dynamite_dude: aye, and it adds to irregular vibrato, makes it much harder than it should be 09:03:03 dynamite_dude: so I guess I use a hybrid between the two.. no simple explanation, but I have to 'untrain' that bad habit 09:03:22 Owen: I find myself untraining stuff all the time 09:03:37 Owen: thats the bad thing about being self taught 09:04:51 dynamite_dude: hm, I've had more than a few lessons, but teachers kept changing 09:05:08 dynamite_dude: most of my primary stuff is self taught though 09:06:22 Owen: like, how many fingers to you finger pick with, if you want to cross say 5 strings 09:07:27 dynamite_dude: everything minues the pinky? I never use finger picking though :l 09:07:38 dynamite_dude: really depends on what I'm playing 09:07:47 Owen: I use all 5 :P 09:10:44 Owen: which is strange because everyone always tells me not to use the pinky xD 09:11:00 dynamite_dude: don't see why you shouldn't 09:11:09 dynamite_dude: I mean, it's there to be used 09:11:19 dynamite_dude: I don't have any power in my pinky, on the right hand though 09:14:52 Owen: I have decided Reaper is so cool 09:15:27 Owen: I have the wierdest intro ever xD 09:16:04 Owen: I took my voice down 5 semitones and added a synth in the backgroud 09:16:18 Owen: and then started spurting random stuff from that truthism website 09:17:22 Owen: now I just need a drumbeat for the stoner rock riffing to come next 09:17:23 Owen: :P 09:17:27 dynamite_dude: lol nice 09:17:29 Owen: and I have a phobia of drum machines xD 09:17:34 dynamite_dude: never used the thing 09:17:39 dynamite_dude: it's all good :p 09:18:06 dynamite_dude: ouch my ears just got blasted 09:18:31 dynamite_dude: have to turn up speakers extra loud on films, for some reason. and pressed back by mistake.. started playing hellraiser.. very loudly 09:22:10 Owen: :P 09:22:27 Owen: I was sending someone some random math metal the other night 09:22:34 Owen: it was like 2 in the morning 09:22:46 Owen: when suddenly winamp opened and started playing it really loud 09:22:51 Owen: I was like "shit shit shit" 09:23:01 Owen: I didnt even where it was coming from 09:24:50 Owen: but yeah, its pretty mental when your playing psycroptic at 2 am xD 09:25:54 dynamite_dude: hahaha 09:26:11 dynamite_dude: math metal.. y'know sikth? 09:26:26 Owen: nah? 09:26:30 dynamite_dude: doh. 09:26:33 dynamite_dude: nvm 09:26:47 Owen: I dont listen to it very often, but someone was spouting about dillinger 09:26:55 Owen: so I just sent them some psycroptic 09:28:59 dynamite_dude: hm, heard DEP.. I'll look up psycroptic 09:32:54 Owen: The Scepter Of The Ancients is their best album 09:33:49 The Uncreator: Anyone here? 09:35:31 Owen: meh, stick around? :P 09:36:00 dynamite_dude: haha 09:36:16 dynamite_dude: cheers for the suggestion 09:37:35 Owen: :P 09:37:45 Owen: you like them? 09:40:17 dynamite_dude: well, I haven't ventured out to listen to them yet :p 09:40:25 dynamite_dude: I just wouldn't have known which album to pick 09:42:24 Owen: i think its technically classified as tech death 09:42:31 Owen: but it sounds very mathy to me 09:46:47 dynamite_dude: I don't really get wound up in the description, if it's good it is GOOD. 09:46:48 dynamite_dude: :p 09:51:29 Owen: http://www.myspace.com/psycroptic 09:51:34 Owen: always worth a listen first 09:57:27 dynamite_dude: thanks 10:16:57 dynamite_dude: yeah I know what you mean by the math metal sound 10:17:15 dynamite_dude: I guess the death part is due to the vocals? 10:20:43 Wallimann: Hi guys! 10:22:29 dynamite_dude: yo 10:22:34 dynamite_dude: ffs. haha 10:22:47 dynamite_dude: yo, hope you don't leave as fast as the last one :p 10:23:00 dynamite_dude: User Wallimann has entered this room. [Wallimann] Hi guys! User Wallimann has logged out. [dynamite_dude] yo [dynamite_dude] ffs. haha 10:23:01 Tank: hmm? 10:23:25 Tank: I think some of the seniors have been having problems with chat 10:23:31 dynamite_dude: ah. 10:24:11 dynamite_dude: anyway, sup? :) 10:24:27 Tank: Oh just trying to avoid work 10:24:29 Tank: :) 10:24:41 dynamite_dude: awesome :d 10:25:58 Tank: sorry if I'll be typing a bit slow. Can't completely avoid work!! 10:26:23 dynamite_dude: no problemo, me and owen look back to check chat now and again, whilest doing other things too 10:26:32 dynamite_dude: at least that's the impression I get! :p 10:27:51 Owen: Eee. I missed people! hey tank! 10:28:35 Tank: Heya Owen 10:29:22 dynamite_dude: how important would you say keeping your hands relaxed is in playing? 10:29:47 Tank: I wrote about this on a thread somewhere 10:30:19 dynamite_dude: oh? sorry, I don't really read a lot of that stuff. 10:30:23 dynamite_dude: one sec. 10:31:09 Tank: https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_fo...?showtopic=5412 10:31:42 dynamite_dude: I believe I have it, the one about breaking a plateu? 10:31:58 dynamite_dude: plateau* 10:32:10 dynamite_dude: hm, aye, the same 10:32:33 Tank: thats the one. Relaxed playing is the key to good playing 10:33:24 dynamite_dude: hm, was thinking about its relation to prevention of injury 10:33:48 dynamite_dude: it's just that I always manage to injure my fretting hand's wrist in serious practice sessions 10:33:53 dynamite_dude: and the pain stays for days 10:34:05 dynamite_dude: so either not warming up properly, or not playing in a relaxed way 10:34:46 Tank: It could be due to the stress that you are putting on the wrist. Are you trying to practice far above your natural limit? 10:36:19 Tank: You need to be careful with it. There isn't much natural muscle in the wrist, so any stress that you put it under will be carried by the tendons. And if you get tendonitus, game over 10:38:04 dynamite_dude: I'm definately trying to go further than I have before 10:38:12 dynamite_dude: usually I just play around, learning riffs, etc 10:38:27 dynamite_dude: but then I went into a phase of playing the alt picking exercises for 4 - 5 hours 10:38:34 Tank: Warming and stretching your wrist will help 10:38:36 dynamite_dude: probably a bit too much of a jump? 10:38:45 dynamite_dude: ah yes, I do that, ala rock discipline 10:38:57 Tank: If you are getting pain for 2 days, you are doing something seriously wrong 10:39:06 dynamite_dude: well, yes, 2 days + 10:39:22 dynamite_dude: the thing is, previous guitar teachers haven't noticed anything odd about the way I play 10:39:28 Tank: It might sound weird, but Aikido has wrist stretches that can help 10:39:52 dynamite_dude: oh, really. I'll try look that up, they always help 10:40:14 dynamite_dude: I try to do petrucci's fret stretching chords in his warm-up.. if you know what I'm talking about 10:40:22 dynamite_dude: that always stretches the part of the wrist that ends up in pain 10:41:42 Tank: http://www.bodymindandmodem.com/KiEx/KiEx.html The first three, kotegaeshi, nikyo, and sankyo 10:41:43 dynamite_dude: sorry, internet problems 10:42:25 dynamite_dude: cheers, will try it out when it fully heals 10:42:27 Tank: no worries 10:42:49 dynamite_dude: never had any pain in my right.. always been the left 10:43:05 dynamite_dude: bit of a downer really, if you want to put the work in, but just end up injuring yourself 10:44:40 Tank: Remember that you are training your body to do something new. Athletes need to rest or they overstress too 10:45:55 Tank: But if you play within your limits, you won't stress the joints 10:46:03 dynamite_dude: aye 10:46:11 dynamite_dude: I just don't know my limits, that's the problem 10:46:24 dynamite_dude: I can sometimes play for hours, and be fine 10:46:32 dynamite_dude: other times, it's different 10:46:56 dynamite_dude: I simply can't pinpoint the problem.. and I'd like to advance as quickly as possible, therefore putting more time into it, it's hit or miss really 10:47:27 Tank: generally a metronome will show you your limit 10:47:49 Tank: if your fingers can't hit the notes in strict time, you are beyond your limit. 10:48:27 Tank: Therefore you will naturally contract your muscles, to try and eek that speed out of them 10:48:33 Tank: but it doesn't work that way. 10:49:02 dynamite_dude: it's actually ironic that [most recently anyway] the injury happened when I went back to using a metronome for everything 10:49:14 dynamite_dude: slowing it down, bumping it by 3 bpm, going back, etc 10:49:31 dynamite_dude: I don't know if I just have a weak wrist or what 10:50:53 Tank: Tell me if I'm right here. 10:51:15 Tank: You sit down to practice, you get the picking pattern, and start ratcheting up the metronome 10:51:24 Tank: Eventually you hit "the wall" 10:51:28 dynamite_dude: aye 10:51:34 dynamite_dude: so I move it back down 10:51:36 Tank: so you go down 10, play for about 1 min 10:51:45 Tank: then start cranking up again 10:51:51 dynamite_dude: completely right so far 10:51:55 Tank: Right 10:52:05 Tank: You aren't spending enough time at the slow spped 10:52:19 Tank: you need to do about 1000 reps at the slower speed 10:52:27 dynamite_dude: aha. 10:52:27 Tank: then start moving up 10:52:33 dynamite_dude: that'd make perfect sense 10:52:43 dynamite_dude: hence the over-stressed wrist 10:53:05 Tank: Then, the next day, after you've rested, your Wall will move, because you'll have built up some finger muscle 10:53:44 Tank: Don't do the reps, then you don't get the finger muscle 10:54:05 dynamite_dude: however, it brings me to think.. exactly how much is the wrist involved in this? it seems to be more about the fingers themselves.. which wouldn't explain such an injury on the wrist 10:54:53 Tank: Make a fist 10:55:00 Tank: tight 10:55:13 Tank: Now try and rotate your wrist. Can you? 10:55:41 dynamite_dude: with some discomfort, yes 10:55:47 Tank: Now relax your hand completely. Try to rotate your wrist 10:56:09 dynamite_dude: sir, you have made a point :) 10:56:13 Tank: Should be much easier 10:56:22 dynamite_dude: aye, it all makes sense now 10:57:05 dynamite_dude: thanks again, I reckon that was precisely my problem! well done for getting to the root of it ever so quickly! 10:57:09 Tank: When you tense your fingers, your wrist gets pressure put on it 10:58:03 Tank: I know it's a pain to play slowly, when you just want to burn 10:58:21 Tank: but there is reason behind it 10:58:33 Tank: And you do get better, and faster, by playing slowly 10:58:56 Tank: more finger muscle, less sore wrist! 10:59:00 dynamite_dude: excellent :) 10:59:14 dynamite_dude: how's the guitar going for you then? 11:00:52 Tank: I'm trying to practice more. It's weird, because I'm so close to my goals, but it's that last 20% that is taking 80% of the time to get 11:01:47 dynamite_dude: heh, sounds frustrating 11:03:13 Tank: can be :) 11:03:36 Tank: But I've got to a decent level, I'm able to quickly learn some good stuff 11:04:24 Tank: I just need to take about 3 months off work, and practice 10 hours a day, and I'll be able to do what I want :D 11:04:29 dynamite_dude: and how long has this taken you? 11:04:31 dynamite_dude: haha 11:05:21 Tank: Only about 20 years 11:05:30 Tank: lol 11:05:38 dynamite_dude: .. :p 11:06:01 dynamite_dude: so what bands you into playing then? 11:06:16 dynamite_dude: or an example of what you're aspiring towards would be.. ? 11:06:38 Tank: To be honest, I only really started practicing seriously a few years back. And even then, I wouldn't have the time to put in 10 hours a day, so it will naturally take me longer 11:07:43 Tank: As far as my aspirations. mainly, I just like to be able to hear something, and go "that's doable". And play it 11:08:13 Tank: For instance, in January, I learned Eruption, and stuck it into the set, and started gigging with it 11:08:22 dynamite_dude: I see, but you must have some band/s that you'd often jam out to, which would match your technical level 11:08:34 dynamite_dude: you just learnt it, just like that? 11:08:43 Tank: Took me 2 weeks 11:08:47 dynamite_dude: nice 11:08:53 Tank: But to performance level 11:09:49 dynamite_dude: impressive stuff, I get flashes of my friend trying [and failing] to play that, hehe 11:11:49 Tank: I've always been honest with the playing level, so I can't "play" a song, unless I'd be happy to play it in front of a live audience 11:12:56 dynamite_dude: indeed, I think the same 11:13:21 dynamite_dude: you can play the odd part of a song, and you'll impress people around you, but I'd never consider then going to play that at an actual gig 11:13:27 dynamite_dude: just.. not up to standards 11:13:31 dynamite_dude: could be so much better, etc 11:14:16 Tank: Well, I know so many players who can play "the start of" layla, or "the tapping bit" from One, etc 11:14:48 Tank: which is fine for practice 11:15:06 dynamite_dude: completely with you here 11:15:14 Tank: but I got caught out by this years ago 11:15:48 Tank: So I knuckle down and play the whole damn thing, or else I can't play it yet 11:16:33 dynamite_dude: damn straight! reminds me of the same friend who can just about do the tapping section to eruption .. but the rest? heh :p 11:17:59 Tank: I've wanted to do "Serana" by Jason Becker, but I think I'll try Eugenes Trick Bag as my next project. But I can't play it, until I can on stage :) 11:18:15 dynamite_dude: hehe, of course 11:18:17 dynamite_dude: hey Slammer 11:18:23 Slammer: !!! 11:18:29 Tank: hey slammer 11:18:32 Slammer: !!! 11:18:37 dynamite_dude: been put-off a bit by sweeps, but that song's an exception :p 11:18:55 dynamite_dude: I think someone's excited :p 11:19:00 Slammer: !!! 11:19:08 Slammer: you don't like sweeps? 11:19:22 dynamite_dude: you started the !!! before I sqeaked about that :p 11:19:34 dynamite_dude: I've seen them use tastelessly a lot.. 11:19:38 dynamite_dude: used* 11:19:43 Slammer: or overused 11:19:44 dynamite_dude: but they have their place 11:19:48 dynamite_dude: both 11:20:15 dynamite_dude: when you start placing them in classic rock solo's.. eugh 11:20:23 dynamite_dude: and that was down in camden! >.< 11:20:24 Slammer: I like it when people use Sweeps to compliment a solo 11:20:36 Slammer: but only like one or two 11:21:05 dynamite_dude: aye, it's situational really 11:21:10 Slammer: but I don't like it when the Whole solo is pretty much Sweeping 11:21:19 Slammer: are you from Ireland? 11:21:24 dynamite_dude: agreed, unless, it just so happens to click 11:21:29 dynamite_dude: haha, no, london uk 11:21:33 Tank: I am 11:21:43 Owen: oh crap, mic just broke >_< 11:21:49 Slammer: :( 11:21:51 dynamite_dude: :/ 11:21:58 Tank: d'oh 11:22:01 Owen: gonna be a pain 11:22:08 Slammer: and owen is from Scotland?? 11:22:16 Owen: yas 11:22:24 Slammer: wow the Whole UK! 11:22:29 Slammer: almost 11:22:35 Owen: minus wales 11:22:39 Slammer: yes 11:22:55 Slammer: you guys ready for the Ironic twist 11:23:01 dynamite_dude: .. go on :p 11:23:05 Slammer: I was born in London 11:23:08 Slammer: :) 11:23:20 dynamite_dude: :o me too! but you had probably deduced that already :p 11:23:33 dynamite_dude: where you from, slammer 11:23:34 dynamite_dude: ? 11:23:38 Slammer: but I'm actually from US 11:23:42 dynamite_dude: aha 11:23:45 Owen: i was born in an exciting place called West Lothian! xD 11:23:49 dynamite_dude: lol, I wouldn't have guessed that one actually 11:23:57 dynamite_dude: ah, west lothian, I remember it well 11:23:58 Slammer: that's why it's the Ironic twist 11:24:02 Slammer: ::D 11:24:10 dynamite_dude: indeed :p 11:24:15 Owen: seriously? :S 11:24:32 dynamite_dude: haha, only kidding 11:24:41 dynamite_dude: not the first time I've heard of it though 11:25:19 Slammer: so here's my Question for you guys.... what do you think of David Beckham? 11:25:52 dynamite_dude: lmao 11:26:02 dynamite_dude: as a person? as a football player? 11:26:26 Slammer: overall... do you feel betrayed that he left etc. 11:26:52 Owen: xD 11:26:54 Owen: he's a gimp 11:27:12 Slammer: I mean he comes all the way over here 11:27:12 Owen: you can have him :L 11:27:22 Slammer: and he hasn't even played 11:27:22 dynamite_dude: betrayed? lol, no 11:27:27 Slammer: barely 11:27:29 dynamite_dude: that happened when he started playing for r madrid :p 11:27:42 dynamite_dude: there are better players 11:28:06 Slammer: the thing is... if he wasn't good looking, he would just be a average Player some people say 11:28:10 dynamite_dude: don't feel like we've 'lost' him either.. he's just playing for a club over there 11:28:17 dynamite_dude: perhaps 11:28:32 Slammer: are you a big soccar fan? 11:28:36 dynamite_dude: he had his period of being okay at footie 11:28:58 dynamite_dude: ironically, no, I love playing football but know nothing about the different leagues, the teams, etc 11:29:15 dynamite_dude: whereas, every other friend of mine knows every player's name around the globe etc :p 11:29:26 Slammer: are you in your 20's? 11:29:33 dynamite_dude: nop 11:29:38 Slammer: 30's? 11:29:38 dynamite_dude: verging on, but not quite 11:29:41 dynamite_dude: please. 11:29:41 dynamite_dude: haha 11:29:42 dynamite_dude: 19 11:29:48 Slammer: 18 11:29:56 Slammer: owen is 16 11:30:06 Slammer: and Tank is????? 11:30:08 dynamite_dude: and tank is 17! 11:30:14 dynamite_dude: sorry, I have no clue :p 11:30:14 Slammer: yes! 11:30:25 Owen: damn >_> youngest <_< 11:30:29 dynamite_dude: sucks. 11:30:31 Slammer: kiddie 11:30:41 Owen: :P 11:30:45 Tank: I'm 30 guys 11:30:50 Slammer: oldie! 11:30:54 Slammer: oops... 11:30:55 Slammer: :) 11:30:58 Tank: harsh, but fair 11:31:14 dynamite_dude: hehe, 30's just fine 11:31:16 Owen: its because your so beautful tank, he was judging by your complexion xD 11:31:16 Slammer: well you are only 11 years older than DD 11:31:44 Tank: Okay Owen, that's just a little weird lol 11:31:51 dynamite_dude: lmao 11:32:03 Owen: I kid, I kid 11:32:05 Owen: well actually 11:32:08 dynamite_dude: haha. 11:32:09 Owen: I am kid, I am kid 11:32:25 Tank: :) 11:32:28 Slammer: so tank.... is the Legal Drinking age in Ireland 11? 11:32:39 Owen: lol 11:32:43 Owen: it is in Scotland 11:32:45 Tank: I can't remember. I was drunk 11:32:57 Slammer: Stereotype no.! 11:32:58 Slammer: 1 11:33:43 dynamite_dude: haha 11:34:22 Slammer: A Scotsman visited London for his annual holiday and stayed at a large hotel. However, he didn't feel that the natives were very friendly. "At three o'clock every morning," he told a friend, "they hammered on my bedroom door, one the walls, even on the floor and ceiling. Sometimes they hammered so loud I could hardly hear myself playing the bagpipes." 11:34:37 Slammer: LOL 11:34:40 Slammer: jk owen 11:34:47 dynamite_dude: where do you get this stuff from :p lol 11:34:52 Tank: *groans 11:34:57 Tank: !! 11:34:58 Owen: haha 11:35:04 Slammer: LOL 11:35:09 Owen: no 11:35:10 Owen: xD 11:35:20 dynamite_dude: hehe 11:35:34 Tank: right guys, I've got to g 11:35:35 Tank: go 11:35:36 Slammer: hey owen do you offended by jokes? 11:35:40 Slammer: ok Tank 11:35:43 Slammer: take care 11:35:45 Tank: all the best 11:35:53 Tank: keep practicing dd 11:36:00 dynamite_dude: later dude, will do, thanks again! 11:36:06 Tank: no probs 11:36:07 Owen: :P 11:36:22 Owen: Boy gots good face cream xD 11:36:29 Owen: no, I'm not offended 11:36:34 dynamite_dude: and so the young ones remained 11:36:35 Owen: it'd be pointless 11:36:39 Slammer: There are many theories about the bagpipes, otherwise known as the missing link between music and noise. Some say they were invented by a Scotsman who trod on his cat and liked the noise. Others claim that they are based on the noise made by a dying octopus. The truth is, however, that they were given to the Scots by the Irish as a joke -but the Scots haven't seen the joke yet 11:36:42 dynamite_dude: *dives for cover 11:36:47 Owen: your just my overexcited neighbors xD 11:37:05 dynamite_dude: I'm starting to believe you memorised this rubbish :p 11:37:18 Slammer: nope 11:37:20 Slammer: LOL 11:37:24 Slammer: jk 11:37:44 Slammer: did you see the other chat logs? 11:37:50 dynamite_dude: which ones? 11:38:00 dynamite_dude: well, scrap that, I haven't seen any, so :p 11:38:01 Slammer: the ones where I tell a bunch of jokes 11:38:08 Slammer: all the time 11:38:11 Slammer: LOL 11:38:18 dynamite_dude: save me :p 11:38:35 Slammer: Where do you come from?" the Scotsman asked an American. "From the greatest country in the world," replied the American. "Funny," said the Scotsman, "you've got the strangest Scottish accent I've ever heard." 11:38:45 dynamite_dude: so what's the website you're using? :p 11:39:18 Slammer: one of them :) 11:39:23 Owen: now that ones good! 11:40:15 dynamite_dude: I've heard worse tbh 11:40:19 Slammer: LOL 11:40:19 dynamite_dude: so, yah 11:40:39 Slammer: I don;t even read them I just copy and paste 11:40:41 Slammer: LOL 11:40:48 dynamite_dude: who could tell? 11:40:50 dynamite_dude: lol 11:40:59 dynamite_dude: where in the us are you? 11:41:03 Slammer: the dynamite_dude!!!! 11:41:10 Slammer: Miami 11:42:11 dynamite_dude: sounds like a cool place from what I've heard 11:42:23 dynamite_dude: .. is it? oO 11:42:33 Slammer: hmm... is that suppose to be a joke? 11:43:07 dynamite_dude: I looked over that when I had finished typing.. but sadly, no 11:43:22 Slammer: well in that case 11:43:42 Slammer: Yep Miami is one of the Coolest places 11:43:48 Slammer: you will ever go too 11:43:50 Slammer: to* 11:44:04 Slammer: Awesome Weather 11:44:22 Slammer: Beautiful Women Everywhere 11:44:31 Slammer: what's not to love 11:44:53 dynamite_dude: the capitalisation of every word? :p 11:45:16 Slammer: Emphasis 11:45:19 Slammer: !!! 11:45:20 dynamite_dude: y'know, a place with too many beautiful women.. bratislava 11:45:32 dynamite_dude: went there on a eurotrip recently 11:45:48 dynamite_dude: and, damn, was tougher to find someone someone who wasn't beautiful.. 11:46:05 Slammer: yeah I'll bet 11:46:08 dynamite_dude: although, we might have had too many a shot of absinth.. 11:46:23 dynamite_dude: they don't sell that stuff over there, do they? 11:46:40 Slammer: IDK legal age is 21 11:46:47 Slammer: ok dude I gtg 11:46:52 dynamite_dude: alrighty 11:46:55 Slammer: cya laters 11:46:56 dynamite_dude: take care, later 11:47:28 Owen: its just me and you again now :P all alone 11:47:31 Owen: *runs* 11:47:36 dynamite_dude: quick owen, google some joke.. it's too silent 11:47:41 dynamite_dude: hah, yah 11:48:05 dynamite_dude: I'm gonna go rustle up something edible [hopefully] 11:48:07 dynamite_dude: brb 11:48:59 Owen: How many wives does the average American husband have? 11:51:06 Owen: ESJ! 11:51:18 Eat-Sleep-andJam: Kilt ! :p 11:51:58 Eat-Sleep-andJam: And own as for your questions above, It depends on the size of his, you know 11:52:03 Eat-Sleep-andJam: Owen * 11:52:57 Owen: 10, 1 at home and 9 in Utah. 11:52:59 Owen: xD 11:54:36 Owen: sorry, that was bad 11:55:06 Owen: I hear they increased the minimum drinking age in Tennessee to 32 11:55:19 Owen: apparently they want to keep alchohol out of the high schools :P 11:55:28 Eat-Sleep-andJam: good luck with that 11:55:42 Eat-Sleep-andJam: My highschool is invested with heroin 11:56:06 Owen: seriously? 11:56:10 Eat-Sleep-andJam: yeah 11:56:27 Eat-Sleep-andJam: Im not part of it but a good amount of people are 11:57:21 Owen: most that happens here is the moshers and neds beating each other up 11:58:09 Eat-Sleep-andJam: ouch 11:58:27 Eat-Sleep-andJam: theres some gang violence where I live aswell 11:58:43 Eat-Sleep-andJam: omg Ive kinda had a bad guitar week 12:04:01 Owen: I've had a bad guitar year 12:04:02 Owen: xD 12:04:11 Eat-Sleep-andJam: ha ha 12:04:23 Eat-Sleep-andJam: you just gotaa take a day and really practice 12:04:36 Eat-Sleep-andJam: look for inspiration in the stuff around you and youll get better 12:04:46 Eat-Sleep-andJam: I also had a bad guitar year ;) 12:05:11 Owen: I dont actually know what I want to achieve 12:05:15 Owen: thats the problem 12:05:22 Owen: I couldnt care if I learnt to sweep or not 12:05:30 Owen: I just want to have a coherent styling 12:05:30 Eat-Sleep-andJam: same with me 12:05:36 Eat-Sleep-andJam: idt would be nice 12:05:41 Owen: it doesnt have to be really technical 12:05:43 Owen: just new 12:05:44 Eat-Sleep-andJam: I think it would be nice 12:05:59 Eat-Sleep-andJam: well basically what your saying is you want to be innovative 12:06:01 Eat-Sleep-andJam: right ? 12:06:28 Owen: yeah, I dont really want to be amazingly technical 12:06:44 Eat-Sleep-andJam: over time though you will be 12:06:47 Owen: hell, I prefer slow solo's and grooved up riffing 12:07:05 Eat-Sleep-andJam: so why dont you do the blues lessons 12:07:09 Eat-Sleep-andJam: or the new knopler thing 12:07:36 Eat-Sleep-andJam: I gotta go eat some breakfast, peace 12:22:59 Nick325: hey 16:39:06 Guitar34: hey 16:58:02 Slammer: *meow* *slap* 16:58:09 Slammer: *whip* *slap* *meow* 16:58:37 Owen: yee! 16:58:46 Slammer: LOL 16:58:51 Slammer: Owen 16:58:55 Owen: my name is : 16:58:57 Owen: :P* 16:59:08 Owen: whats upppp? 16:59:36 Slammer: just checkin in 16:59:39 Slammer: :) 16:59:45 Owen: oh yeah homeboy xD 16:59:51 Slammer: quick.... what is your Favorite Vai song? 17:00:05 Owen: I dont listen to Vai :P 17:00:11 Owen: odd as that may sound to you :D 17:00:21 Slammer: not quite 17:00:24 Owen: and I'm currently listening to electronica, shock horror! 17:00:26 Slammer: niether do I 17:00:33 Slammer: :D 17:01:13 Owen: :P 17:01:19 Owen: I never really bothered with it actually 17:01:28 Owen: I quite liked the concept of Buckethead 17:01:35 Owen: but I got bored 17:02:20 Slammer: *slap* 17:02:35 Slammer: does the private chat work? 17:02:47 Owen: huh? 17:03:16 Slammer: BadG3r 17:03:22 Owen: :P 17:03:22 Slammer: is a Steve Vai fan 17:03:26 Owen: I love that name xD 17:03:39 Slammer: I can tell by the G# 17:03:44 Slammer: G3 17:03:48 Slammer: :) 17:04:16 Owen: He's not speaking 17:06:48 BadG3r: hello 17:06:53 Slammer: hi 17:07:03 BadG3r: so what are two up to 17:07:13 Slammer: not much 17:07:17 Slammer: just chillin 17:07:25 Owen: Hangin' low xD 17:07:29 BadG3r: chatting i guess :P and no im not a vai fan 17:07:40 Slammer: but... G3??? 17:07:47 Slammer: BadG3r 17:08:18 BadG3r: yeah this was my unique way to overcome the fact that in the ost forums my name is taken 17:08:46 BadG3r: sry to let you down :) 17:09:10 Slammer: no prob. I'm not a Vai Fan either 17:09:49 Slammer: I'm a Blues-Rock 17:09:51 Slammer: Guy 17:10:10 Slammer: SRV Clapton Hendrix for me 17:10:20 BadG3r: you guys... do you know if there is a section about how to hold a guitar right or better: place the hand well??? 17:10:22 Owen: I listen to indie and death metal 17:10:29 BadG3r: for me its fall of troy 17:10:43 Slammer: hmm.... 17:10:46 Owen: xD 17:11:00 Slammer: have you watched all of kris's 101 lessons? 17:11:07 BadG3r: when i can play his riffs im done... and that will take... mhhh forever 17:11:34 BadG3r: no... im through the first four beginner lesons 17:11:44 BadG3r: ill check it out 17:11:48 Slammer: so you're new to guitar? 17:12:32 Owen: I think I am, and I've been playing 2.5 years now lol 17:12:43 Slammer: Not you.. 17:12:45 Slammer: LOL 17:13:03 Owen: I was just saying 17:13:08 Slammer: :D 17:13:09 Owen: I realise that was not directed at me 17:13:11 Owen: :L 17:13:14 Owen: :P* 17:13:17 Owen: :p 17:13:19 Owen: dammit! 17:13:19 Slammer: LOL 17:13:25 Slammer: :P 17:13:27 BadG3r: bought my guitar over 7 years ago... or so. but never managed to play right. wrote some songs and stuff but listening to the fall of troy... i want more 17:13:28 Slammer: :P 17:13:58 Owen: Gabe's made me want to start a stoner rock band, but I have no hash 17:14:00 Owen: what shall I do? 17:14:11 Slammer: Curious... how old are ya Badger? 17:14:25 Slammer: 25? 17:14:30 Slammer: 20? 17:14:34 Slammer: 33!! 17:14:40 BadG3r: 23 17:14:42 Slammer: 17? 17:14:45 Slammer: 23!! 17:14:49 Slammer: close enough 17:15:00 Slammer: I'm guessing you're from Alabama 17:15:03 BadG3r: you just guessed 4 time :) 17:15:31 BadG3r: hows that.. no im from germany... maybe when i change the letters... no.. still germany 17:15:45 Slammer: Germany 17:15:53 Slammer: hola 17:15:55 BadG3r: and i have stubby fingers 17:15:57 Slammer: nvm 17:16:02 Owen: oh so many stereotypes so little time 17:16:08 BadG3r: haha 17:16:11 Owen: what am I saying 17:16:12 Slammer: Owen is from Scott 17:16:15 Slammer: Land 17:16:17 Owen: I'm Scottish lol 17:16:54 Slammer: so do you remember when the Berlin wall came down? 17:17:27 Owen: I'm guessing he doesnt :P 17:17:33 Slammer: he was 5! 17:17:35 BadG3r: yeah i remember... although the whole political aspect wasn't clear to me then... 17:17:51 Slammer: you just remember people talking about a Wall! 17:17:59 Slammer: or maybe you saw it 17:18:00 Slammer: idk 17:18:03 Slammer: LOL 17:18:20 Slammer: hey guys brb 17:18:51 BadG3r: seeing people celebrating a falling all... i was six and why not celebrating a falling wall ... ^^ 17:19:19 Owen: :P 17:19:36 Owen: the idea of it always reminds me of that Sex Pistols lyric 17:19:57 Owen: "Ima gonna go under the berlin wall! Ima gonna go over the berlin wall!" 17:20:45 Slammer: Colin Farell?? 17:20:52 Slammer: is he from Scott? 17:20:59 Owen: ywhat? 17:21:12 BadG3r: talks scottish... damn weird accent 17:21:17 Slammer: he left 17:21:24 Slammer: and now he's back 17:21:27 BadG3r: collin 17:21:28 Owen: woop 17:21:32 Owen: sorry :p 17:21:49 Slammer: Collin Farell is he your hero? 17:21:50 Owen: Irish 17:21:54 Owen: you fool 17:21:56 Slammer: ooh... 17:21:57 Slammer: LOL 17:22:00 Owen: lol 17:22:02 BadG3r: :d 17:22:11 Slammer: who is Scottish?? 17:22:17 Slammer: Connery? 17:22:18 BadG3r: sean connery 17:22:31 Owen: yes 17:22:41 Owen: only he's got the most wierd scottish accent ever 17:22:50 Owen: he tends to hold on to the words 17:22:54 Slammer: who do you like better, Connery, Pronsan, or Daniel Craig 17:23:01 Owen: Hiiiii myy naaames SEEEEAAAAN 17:23:11 BadG3r: connery 17:23:11 Owen: Connery was the best 17:23:46 Owen: he was the least cheesey methinks 17:23:47 Slammer: Brosnan* LOL 17:23:52 Owen: naaaaah 17:23:56 Owen: he's alright 17:24:05 Slammer: I like Daniel Criag better 17:24:10 Slammer: more Action 17:24:36 Slammer: Connery always got beaten up by the Chicks 17:24:37 BadG3r: he is more american fighter than james bond but i nhavent actually see hi min action.. 17:24:53 Owen: Daniel Craig's a bit 17:24:53 BadG3r: i loooove getting beaten up by chicks... 17:25:01 Slammer: but then he would sleep with them 17:25:02 Slammer: LOL 17:25:05 BadG3r: as long they are as hot as bond girls 17:25:10 Owen: well, its more about the image 17:25:12 Owen: theres no style 17:25:15 Owen: its a bit more tacky 17:25:26 Owen: but yeah, waste of time talking about the men lol 17:25:50 Owen: obviously the more recent bond girls are the best because they're not already 60 or whatever lol 17:26:05 Slammer: Lindsay lohan or Hillary duff? 17:26:07 Slammer: LOL 17:26:09 BadG3r: who cares :P 17:27:00 Owen: Duff because she was at a Rock show and they dragged her on stage and made her sing lol 17:27:01 BadG3r: just give thewm a bit pott or any other drug and they will do it... damn pop drug queen 17:27:06 Slammer: Jolie or Jessica Alba? 17:27:17 BadG3r: thats a tuff choice 17:27:19 Owen: T0mb Raiderz! 17:27:27 BadG3r: angeka alba 17:27:35 BadG3r: angelina alba 17:27:39 Slammer: Jessica Alba or Jessica Biel? 17:27:50 BadG3r: tough again 17:28:16 BadG3r: in any case i wouldn't close the door 17:28:36 Slammer: ok Jolie or Adriana Lima 17:28:38 Slammer: LOL 17:29:05 BadG3r: scarlett johannson or halle berry 17:29:22 Slammer: answer my question first LOL 17:29:38 Owen: I'm so tempted to say all 4 at once... 17:29:43 Slammer: I'd pick Halle Berry because Scarlett is too stuck up 17:30:22 BadG3r: id take lima cause jolie has pitt and over 1 million children when she s done with adopting 17:30:42 Slammer: NO one can Compete with Pitt :( 17:30:54 BadG3r: i stick with owen... without him then of course.. :P 17:31:10 Owen: :P big knives can compete with Pitt 17:31:16 BadG3r: lol 17:31:44 Slammer: but you would piss off Jolie and her 50 kids 17:31:47 Slammer: Attack!! 17:31:50 Owen: after an excursion with one he would be feeling pretty "Pitt"iful 17:32:37 Slammer: ok BadG3r any chick from all time who would you pick? 17:32:52 Owen: the girl next door? 17:32:56 BadG3r: nice 17:32:57 Owen: lol 17:33:03 Owen: I dont have one 17:33:11 BadG3r: me neither 17:33:14 Owen: I cant comment, I believe its a big hairy shepard dude 17:33:14 BadG3r: lol 17:33:19 BadG3r: lol 17:33:22 Slammer: LOL 17:33:29 Owen: lol all round? 17:33:33 Owen: hey muris 17:33:36 muris: Slammer??? 17:33:40 muris: holy 17:33:41 Slammer: LOL 17:33:44 Slammer: day off 17:33:45 muris: great to see you :) 17:33:53 Slammer: today is day off 17:33:58 Slammer: from work 17:34:02 Slammer: LOL 17:34:09 muris: same you 17:34:36 muris: everybody,how's it going? 17:35:00 BadG3r: great still pickin best girl of ever 17:35:05 Slammer: LOL 17:35:15 muris: cool :) 17:35:19 Slammer: Eva Longoria or Jessica Alba?? 17:35:28 BadG3r: alba... def 17:35:52 Owen: their guitar skills are so weak they have to resort to day dreaming lol 17:35:59 Slammer: LOL 17:36:01 BadG3r: i think i stick with johannson... shes got something 17:36:02 muris: ;) 17:36:07 Owen: work harder on your shredding boys! 17:36:09 BadG3r: shhh.. don't wake us 17:36:21 Owen: your sleep talking now? 17:36:22 Slammer: Owen is just as guilty 17:36:22 BadG3r: shredding while reading your stuff 17:36:34 BadG3r: in no skills?? 17:36:48 Slammer: no in daydreaming 17:36:50 Slammer: LOL 17:36:52 Owen: :P 17:36:53 muris: brb 17:36:55 Slammer: ok 17:37:14 Owen: Buttering Rabid Bunnies? 17:37:34 Owen: muris are you trying to make us go vegitarian! 17:37:42 BadG3r: what?? 17:37:49 Owen: lol 17:37:57 Owen: BRB 17:38:11 Slammer: ok guys what is your favorite cheesy Love song 17:38:32 BadG3r: love me tender... cheesies of the cheesy 17:38:45 Owen: Damageplan - F**k you :) 17:38:51 BadG3r: lol 17:38:51 Slammer: Endless love by Lionel richie 17:38:53 Slammer: LOL 17:39:02 Owen: its got such a lovely sentiment 17:39:05 BadG3r: hello lionel richie 17:39:09 Owen: it really pulls my heart strings 17:39:14 Eat-Sleep-andJam: My Heart Will go on - Celine Dion :) 17:39:17 BadG3r: perform by me fist and the gimme gimmes 17:39:22 Slammer: dude I like the song Sail on 17:39:31 Slammer: it's nice.... 17:39:33 Slammer: LOL 17:39:40 Slammer: hey ESJ!!! 17:39:44 Slammer: long time 17:39:46 Slammer: no chat 17:39:47 Slammer: LOL 17:39:50 Eat-Sleep-andJam: Slammmmmmmmm3rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr 17:39:54 Eat-Sleep-andJam: Ik right ? 17:39:59 Slammer: YEAH 17:40:05 Owen: his name is by far more than it seems 17:40:18 Owen: lol 17:40:24 Owen: Slammer, are you a slammer? 17:40:36 Slammer: nope 17:40:37 Eat-Sleep-andJam: thought Id chat because I have a gears of war clan match at 11 and I need to kill time 17:40:42 BadG3r: he told you.. blues rock 17:40:56 Owen: :P ? 17:41:10 muris: nice one Owen :) 17:41:12 Eat-Sleep-andJam: omg guys lets talk guitar 17:41:26 Owen: I have 3 17:41:28 Eat-Sleep-andJam: I hate modes, ( there I started it ;) ) 17:41:31 Owen: onr has four strings 17:41:35 Owen: its special 17:41:38 Owen: its called a bass! 17:41:50 BadG3r: never heard of the heresy 17:41:51 Owen: it also sucks, but lets not go into the build quality :P 17:42:11 Owen: also, telecasters rule :P 17:42:22 Slammer: Country Bumpkins 17:42:23 muris: ]knew it lol 17:42:42 Owen: you knew what now? :P 17:42:49 Eat-Sleep-andJam: Telecasters are cool but look a little bit mental challenged 17:42:50 muris: tele stuff :) 17:42:50 Slammer: Brad Paisley... Alcohol 17:43:24 Slammer: hey muris when are we gonna see a Country Lesson? 17:43:45 muris: soon I promise :) 17:43:47 Owen: have you seen mine? 17:43:47 Eat-Sleep-andJam: his new knopler lesson is so good 17:43:53 muris: wnna some chicken picking too? 17:43:55 Owen: it looks better than mentally challenged 17:44:09 Eat-Sleep-andJam: yes muris chicken picking please ! :) 17:44:16 Slammer: I love Kris's Chickin Pickin Lesson LOL 17:44:17 muris: ok ,you got it 17:44:18 Slammer: LOL 17:44:32 Owen: is that the one with the hippy vibe? 17:44:34 Eat-Sleep-andJam: Chicken Picking , I think is what makes country what it is 17:44:40 Slammer: yeah 17:44:43 muris: yeah 17:44:45 Eat-Sleep-andJam: without chickens wheres the country you know ? :) 17:44:47 muris: trademark of it 17:45:24 Slammer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVPH6vnIeRM 17:45:33 Slammer: Kermit is Awesom 17:45:34 BadG3r: ok guys im off... need sleep and tomorrow is work to do... 17:45:44 BadG3r: see you 17:45:46 muris: ok,see ya 17:45:49 Owen: tomorrow I sit around being lazy :P 17:45:50 Eat-Sleep-andJam: Germans, Psssh :) ;) 17:45:52 Slammer: ok cya 17:45:55 Owen: enjoy your work! 17:45:57 BadG3r: :P 17:46:07 Eat-Sleep-andJam: Muris 17:46:16 Eat-Sleep-andJam: can you give me a run down of modes 17:46:23 muris: lol 17:46:26 Eat-Sleep-andJam: :p 17:46:30 muris: was that Slammers's idea? 17:46:39 Owen: I have no idea yet and I'm meant to be doing this lydian thing :P 17:46:42 Slammer: hey ESJ.... who do you like better Kermit or Brad? 17:46:46 Owen: can I get away with just learning a scale? 17:46:59 Eat-Sleep-andJam: From muppets show ? 17:47:04 Slammer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVPH6vnIeRM 17:47:06 muris: oh yeah Owen,you're in colab thing right? 17:47:28 Owen: yep :P 17:47:37 muris: which one is your? 17:47:52 Owen: I opted for another because I want to force myself to work at my guitar, and this way I have no excuses 17:47:55 Owen: I have G 17:47:56 Slammer: Frog wins! 17:48:01 Eat-Sleep-andJam: yeah 17:48:11 muris: G is cool :) 17:48:17 Eat-Sleep-andJam: Metal country sounds really cool 17:48:19 muris: have you sterted recording? 17:48:26 muris: started* 17:48:34 Owen: nah I've not, I'm just starting to look at the scale 17:48:45 Owen: and what I can do with it 17:48:45 muris: ok 17:49:11 muris: are you going to shred or do more melodic stuff? 17:49:35 Owen: I'm imagining its gonna have to be melody because I cant really shred and I dont really have much desire too 17:49:56 muris: honest :) 17:50:03 Owen: :P 17:50:11 muris: no really 17:50:15 muris: speaking of desire 17:50:16 Owen: theres something that doesnt appeal to me about fast guitaring 17:50:26 muris: for sure 17:50:57 Eat-Sleep-andJam: Well I need to learn modes and get recording software before I can participate with you guys :) 17:51:01 Owen: sure its good, but I feel I'd leave a lot more options open if I took the slower route 17:51:35 muris: can't agree with that but I see your point 17:51:37 Owen: because I listen to really technical bands and I think, yknow this has been done so much that its actually quite boring 17:52:13 Owen: well I suppose not more options, as options that I'm more likey to want to approach 17:52:26 muris: yeah,correct :) 17:52:36 Slammer: what about fast guitar like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oc7SufBR2u0 17:52:50 Eat-Sleep-andJam: Muris If im doing like Major scales right now and stuff in my playing am I ready for modes ? 17:53:08 muris: probably,I guess 17:53:24 Owen: see, I like that, but that has melody, its not like a blur of notes 17:53:45 muris: yeah,fast is ok..but fast what?? 17:54:07 Owen: hmm? 17:54:51 muris: as you said,fast is ok if it has melodie or som inside 17:54:53 Eat-Sleep-andJam: I think Fast has its times. I love shred , but im also a sucker for a slow solo thats so melodic it could bring a tear to my brown eyes 17:55:22 Slammer: like the Ending to November Rain 17:55:29 Owen: well, I do listen to music with fast shred stuff in it, I just dont feel its a route I want to approach just now 17:55:40 Owen: if that makes sense? 17:55:47 muris: totaly understand :) 17:55:48 Slammer: yeah all guitarist go through fazes 17:56:06 Slammer: SRV, Shred, Classical, Jazz 17:56:24 Slammer: I started with Folk 17:56:29 Slammer: then Classical 17:56:32 Slammer: then SRV 17:56:34 Slammer: LOL 17:56:53 muris: that smells on you lol 17:57:06 Slammer: smells?? 17:57:08 Slammer: LOL 17:57:20 muris: fast typing 17:57:27 muris: like shred typing 17:57:30 muris: lol 17:57:33 Eat-Sleep-andJam: ha ha 17:57:34 Slammer: LOL 17:57:43 Owen: I can shred type! 17:57:47 Eat-Sleep-andJam: Omg Shred typing ftw :) 17:57:55 muris: yeah 17:58:02 Eat-Sleep-andJam: ( for the win ;) ) 17:58:10 muris: ;) 17:58:15 Slammer: :) 17:58:46 Owen: :P 17:59:16 Slammer: Cheesy love song of the Week https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zg-ivWxy5KE 17:59:21 Slammer: LOL 17:59:28 Eat-Sleep-andJam: Ouch I just did something mean 17:59:38 Slammer: what? 17:59:38 Owen: :( 18:00:07 Eat-Sleep-andJam: Idk like my on and off girlfriend was like Ik you dont like me anymore and Id like you eithier 18:00:20 Slammer: dude 18:00:21 Eat-Sleep-andJam: and im like " Well this will make cheating on you alot easier " 18:00:26 Slammer: dude 18:00:35 Slammer: dude..... 18:00:38 Owen: looooow 18:00:49 Eat-Sleep-andJam: of course I wasnt cheating on her 18:00:54 Eat-Sleep-andJam: I just said it out of anger 18:01:05 Owen: you got her paranoid when she wanted reassurance! 18:01:21 Eat-Sleep-andJam: Well this happened a 2 weeks ago 18:01:25 Eat-Sleep-andJam: I just relized it was mean now 18:01:31 muris: sorry You are at GuitarMasterClass.netDon't miss today's free lick. 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18:01:31 muris: sorry
18:01:35 muris: was kicked 18:01:37 muris: :) 18:01:37 Owen: I'm in love with your conscience xD 18:01:46 Owen: can I borrow it please? 18:02:05 Owen: normally I only last a day before I have to go back and admit I said something stupid 18:02:06 Eat-Sleep-andJam: for a price 18:02:16 Slammer: hey ESJ 18:02:20 Eat-Sleep-andJam: well like I last a month maybe 2 18:02:24 Eat-Sleep-andJam: yeah slamm ? 18:02:54 Slammer: nothing I just like saying ESJ! 18:03:10 Slammer: LOL 18:03:54 Owen: you know your listening to stoner metal when the song thats on windows media player is called "the ballad of solomon eagle" 18:04:05 Owen: lol 18:04:33 Eat-Sleep-andJam: lol owen 18:05:38 Owen: its good 18:05:47 Owen: but Orange Goblin have a lot to answer for 18:05:58 Owen: the whole album is an endorsement for being out of it 18:06:13 Eat-Sleep-andJam: One man , One kilt, and the earth in his hands 18:06:23 Owen: :P 18:06:28 Owen: I dont have a kilt :( 18:06:36 Owen: I gotta start a stoner kilt band 18:06:36 Eat-Sleep-andJam: better get one 18:06:41 Owen: how cool would that be 18:06:46 Eat-Sleep-andJam: then I wont feel so lonely ? 18:06:59 Eat-Sleep-andJam: and wont have to wear underwear under my kilt ? 18:08:04 Eat-Sleep-andJam: *cries and drinks a bottle of hot fudge 18:08:15 Owen: :P 18:08:24 Owen: Kilt Stoner Metal, its a brilliant combination 18:08:34 Owen: lol 18:09:16 Eat-Sleep-andJam: not as good as arabian retro poptart super gallatic ancient maple guitar funk- 18:09:29 Owen: Super Elastic Bubble Plastic 18:09:36 Owen: are actually a band 18:09:38 Owen: ... 18:09:47 Eat-Sleep-andJam: Peter piper picked a pack of pickled peppers ? 18:10:39 Owen: and threw them at his roadie 18:12:01 Slammer: what's the coolest Drum solo you have ever seen? 18:12:01 Owen: :p 18:12:14 Owen: I dunno if its technically a drum solo 18:12:39 Owen: but the huge fill at the start of the wolf is loose by mastodon always gets me, its the only drum thing I really like 18:12:52 Slammer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fd4NDf7ciK4...ted&search= <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fd4NDf7ciK4&mode=related&search=> 18:13:01 Slammer: too great 18:13:19 Owen: I can stand stuff like Moby D*ck by Led Zep where they all go away for a pint whilst the drummer bores teh audience to tears lol 18:13:23 muris: which drum solo is that? 18:13:30 muris: can't watch it now 18:13:40 muris: I'm uploading and dowloading at the same time 18:13:54 Slammer: Moby D*ck is too cool 18:14:00 muris: lol 18:14:05 muris: * is needed 18:14:08 Owen: only we cant say the name 18:14:09 Slammer: yes 18:14:10 Owen: lol 18:14:22 Slammer: Moby Di.ck 18:14:28 muris: wow 18:14:34 Slammer: Moby DlCK 18:14:37 Slammer: LOL 18:14:44 muris: Kris!!!!!!!!!!!!! 18:14:46 muris: lol 18:14:49 Slammer: LOL 18:14:57 Slammer: he is Zeppelin Fan 18:14:59 Slammer: I think 18:15:03 Owen: I think Kris has a phobia of drummers 18:15:06 muris: who isn't :) 18:15:14 Owen: me? 18:15:17 Owen: lol 18:15:18 Slammer: NO!!! 18:15:21 muris: same here 18:15:23 Slammer: Owen Wilson 18:15:23 muris: :) 18:15:28 Owen: ? 18:15:40 Slammer: how can you not like Zepp 18:15:44 muris: I'm not kind a fan of LZ 18:15:45 Slammer: they're too cool 18:15:46 muris: never was 18:15:48 Owen: you got 4 letters of my last name right 18:15:49 muris: they are 18:15:56 muris: but just not my style 18:16:07 muris: mean sound :) 18:16:24 Slammer: I was alway Partial to Cream 18:16:31 Slammer: LOL 18:16:32 Owen: I like Floyd 18:16:44 Slammer: Cream beats Floyd 18:16:46 Slammer: in Singing 18:16:50 Slammer: and Drumming 18:16:55 muris: I'm uploading solo of Comfortably Nubm at the moment :) 18:17:02 Slammer: and Guitar Solos 18:17:05 Slammer: LOL 18:17:27 Owen: I love the guitar on Floyd, thats really the only bit I go for, the lyrics are good too 18:17:39 Owen: sure the vocals arent brilliant in the sense of the word, but they do the job 18:17:43 muris: they are legends for sure 18:17:48 Owen: Gilmour is just fantastic though 18:17:54 Eat-Sleep-andJam: acid maybe ? 18:17:57 Slammer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9V77lE6u0a4 18:18:05 Owen: Acid Bath! 18:18:18 Eat-Sleep-andJam: the whole band was on acid 18:18:26 Owen: have the worlds greatest oxymoron song title 18:18:39 Slammer: Honest Politician? 18:18:41 Slammer: LOL 18:18:51 Owen: Scream of the Butterfly 18:18:55 Owen: :P 18:19:10 Owen: I was thinking more "Military Intelligence" 18:19:15 Owen: or "Microsoft Works" 18:19:50 Slammer: Almost Ready 18:20:12 Slammer: Expect the unexpected 18:20:20 Slammer: LOL 18:20:25 Slammer: oxymorons are fun 18:20:43 Slammer: Live Recording 18:20:48 Owen: :P 18:21:32 Owen: ZomG, he's disappeared 18:21:37 muris: and that's how Slammer became Jedi 18:21:37 Owen: into thin cyberworld! 18:21:41 muris: lol 18:21:43 Owen: lol 18:22:25 muris: hey GD 18:22:30 Owen: Hey! 18:22:36 GuitarDude: hi all! 18:23:04 Owen: S'happenin'? 18:23:39 Owen: and they all fell asleep =/ 18:23:45 muris: not me 18:23:49 muris: I'm dying here 18:23:56 Owen: NOOOOOO! 18:24:06 muris: rendering vids from a gig 18:24:12 Owen: ****Epic Diving Towards Saving Movie Pose Type Thing** 18:24:14 muris: the most bouring job 18:24:20 Owen: is it? 18:24:24 Owen: whats so boring about it? 18:24:30 muris: rendering,ohh yeah 18:24:36 muris: waiting :) 18:24:43 GuitarDude: =P 18:25:01 Owen: yeah well I suppose 18:25:19 muris: I felt :( 18:25:21 Owen: is this from the big stadium gig? 18:25:26 muris: no 18:25:33 muris: that DVD is not made yet 18:25:40 muris: it's from a Pub 18:25:48 muris: we played my tunes and some covers 18:25:56 muris: there's topic at forum 18:26:17 GuitarDude: do you have a band site? =) 18:26:33 muris: not band's but mine 18:26:42 muris: www.murisvarajic.com <http://www.murisvarajic.com> 18:26:44 muris: or 18:26:53 muris: www.myspace.com/murisvarajic <http://www.myspace.com/murisvarajic> 18:27:29 muris: what a Jedi!!!!! 18:27:51 Owen: I just added you 18:27:54 muris: in,out,in,out..... 18:27:59 muris: yeah? 18:28:02 muris: cool:) 18:28:06 Owen: my page is the one with the questionable pink flamingo's 18:28:18 muris: let me see 18:28:52 Owen: and the daft name 18:29:00 GuitarDude: xD 18:29:17 GuitarDude: nice stuff muris 18:29:22 Owen: that wouldnt make sense to anyone with english as a primary language, let alone secondary lol 18:29:27 muris: posted a cooment :) 18:29:40 muris: tnx GD 18:29:58 Owen: :P 18:30:04 Owen: groovy 18:30:49 Owen: now do a UK tour lol 18:31:25 GuitarDude: europe tour =P 18:31:37 GuitarDude: come to sweden xD 18:31:59 Eat-Sleep-andJam: sorry im not talking much trying to play and learn and what not :) 18:32:00 Owen: no wai dude, you've got Kris! We want Muris! lol 18:32:08 muris: lol 18:32:33 GuitarDude: what are you practecing 18:33:34 Eat-Sleep-andJam: uh trills , the new knopler lesson 18:33:39 GuitarDude: ok 18:33:42 Eat-Sleep-andJam: major scale 101 theory lesson 18:33:46 Eat-Sleep-andJam: and alot of other stuff 18:34:01 Owen: Gabs Stoner Rock at the mo 18:34:44 GuitarDude: =) this is what im doing > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiGVodBEULY 18:34:45 Owen: I considered learning the major earlier, but I already have G lydian to learn, so that's more priority 18:35:42 Eat-Sleep-andJam: well im going to move into modes soon 18:35:45 muris: have you got G lydian? 18:35:49 Eat-Sleep-andJam: ik nothing about them 18:36:20 Owen: yeah, muris how do I vote for you on the battle of the bands thing? 18:36:42 muris: ahh it's finished tho 18:36:47 Owen: ahh 18:36:51 Owen: to slow :( 18:36:53 muris: blog is still there 18:36:54 Owen: :P 18:36:59 muris: or banner 18:37:04 muris: must remove it 18:37:07 muris: :) 18:37:46 Owen: haha, I'm loving that Hyper Cowboy song 18:37:56 GuitarDude: got to go im going to turkey tomorrow =) 18:38:03 muris: done 18:38:14 GuitarDude: bye 18:38:16 muris: like Hyper one? 18:38:23 muris: bye GD 18:38:31 Eat-Sleep-andJam: Muris is the minor scale just a smaller version of the major ? 18:38:35 Eat-Sleep-andJam: with less notes ? 18:39:04 muris: nope 18:39:12 muris: it has same number of notes 18:39:25 Owen: major is different layout to the minor I believe, they have the same style boxes, but you are to regard them as of different scales completely 18:39:36 Eat-Sleep-andJam: idk why I said notes 18:40:00 Owen: I think.. If I have been reading andrew enough :P 18:40:09 Eat-Sleep-andJam: ok 18:40:12 muris: almost :) 18:40:21 muris: different layouts for sure 18:40:31 muris: but boxes as well 18:40:39 Salivtomte: hi ppl 18:40:45 muris: hi :) 18:40:53 Salivtomte: just saw ur live thingy muris 18:41:06 Salivtomte: that was relly impressive 18:41:08 Eat-Sleep-andJam: yeah thats waht I was trying to say like they look different but like I could pull out the same scale within the major 18:41:13 muris: yeah? 18:41:16 muris: thanks :) 18:41:30 Salivtomte: yeah, i enjoyed it:D 18:41:38 muris: appreciate it a lot 18:41:43 muris: sound will be better 18:41:45 Owen: hey! 18:41:53 Owen: I'm abit slow but yeah :P 18:41:59 muris: must take it from guy that worked over mixer 18:42:34 Salivtomte: the sound was the sound recrded by a camera? 18:42:48 muris: yep 18:42:59 muris: it'll be better when I get this one 18:43:29 Salivtomte: Its great the way it is, but that would be great 18:43:35 Eat-Sleep-andJam: im going to get eat something later guitar nubsssssssssssssss 18:43:37 Eat-Sleep-andJam: ;) 18:43:43 muris: thanks :) 18:43:49 muris: see ya esj 18:44:25 Owen: :P 18:44:28 Owen: boi has ego! 18:44:33 Salivtomte: muris, may i ask for advice on something? 18:44:47 muris: anytime :) 18:45:08 muris: that;s why I'm here for 18:45:16 Salivtomte: im working on walking between pentatonic boxes 18:45:18 Owen: muris is guitar jesus! 18:45:22 muris: lol 18:45:24 Owen: or should I say, Gsus 18:45:34 muris: G,C,D 18:45:37 muris: my new nick 18:45:45 Owen: lol 18:45:48 muris: lol 18:46:10 Salivtomte: like, learning the boxes is done in a day, but learning to walking between them, is ont the same pice of cake :) 18:46:30 Salivtomte: are you a pentatonic master ? :) 18:46:33 muris: it isn't indeed 18:46:40 muris: must take them all 18:46:55 muris: individualy and then make tyem work together 18:46:59 Owen: :P i'm still working on that bit 18:47:04 Owen: but I need to change my strings 18:47:09 Owen: 1 and a half years old now 18:47:16 muris: ahh 18:47:20 Salivtomte: god, thats not good dude 18:47:21 Owen: and manky as hell, my fretboard is going mouldy xD 18:47:25 muris: taht's rusty 18:47:34 Salivtomte: im switching every 2 weeks 18:47:35 muris: cooly?? 18:47:40 Owen: I cant afford a new pair 18:47:46 Owen: set even* 18:48:05 muris: I;m cahnging it every week or two 18:48:07 muris: depends 18:48:27 Owen: :O 18:48:33 muris: yeah 18:48:40 Owen: that'd annoy me, it takes a day to break them in :P 18:48:41 muris: my hands are sweting too much 18:48:48 muris: and I'm playing a lot tho 18:48:49 Salivtomte: i mine online 6 sets 30$ 18:48:58 Owen: you know elixers? 18:49:03 Owen: you know how they're not meant to rust 18:49:08 Owen: mine did :( 18:49:10 muris: used it 18:49:17 muris: I burn everything 18:49:18 muris: lol 18:49:33 muris: now I'm on DR 18:49:35 Owen: I'm telling you, hands of Gsus kill the fretboard lol 18:49:42 Salivtomte: elexir is great, but thats just the wrapped strings that are good 18:49:52 Salivtomte: rest is pretty much the same a cheap set 18:49:59 muris: true 18:50:25 Salivtomte: so ull have to switch the higher ones before the complete set is worn out 18:51:00 muris: I'm throwing everyhting 18:51:14 muris: sometimes only high E goes out of tune 18:51:21 Salivtomte: yeah, thats what one should 18:51:25 muris: which means ..new set :) 18:51:44 Salivtomte: bet u get em for free :D 18:51:54 muris: lol 18:51:59 muris: you knew? 18:51:59 Salivtomte: true? 18:52:12 Salivtomte: by the looks of your video i could tell 18:52:16 Salivtomte: : ) 18:52:22 Owen: :O maaan, I wanna be fast player now xD 18:52:27 muris: well,I have a deal with music store here 18:52:29 Owen: Free strings! 18:52:49 muris: I do some showcases for them form time to time 18:52:50 Salivtomte: Jimi hendrix once visited my home town in swe 18:52:57 Salivtomte: not one of the largest 18:52:59 Salivtomte: in the 60's 18:53:04 muris: they pay me and give some equipment as well 18:54:09 Salivtomte: and walked in to the music store, one hour later the owner of the store called the internatinal fender office in the states, "there was some random black kid here, he was asking for a free guitar, i told him to piss off" 18:54:27 muris: lol 18:54:27 Owen: hahahaahah 18:54:35 Salivtomte: :D 18:55:42 Salivtomte: I need a lesson on making the boxes work together, would you make one for me and all other guitar freaks? :D 18:56:01 muris: think I have one already 18:56:13 muris: have you seen it? 18:56:18 Salivtomte: there is? 18:56:23 muris: yeah 18:56:32 muris: pentatonic substitution 18:56:32 Salivtomte: ok, brb 18:56:42 muris: in excercises I think 18:56:54 Owen: :P he has one for every ocassion, he's like a video santa, although I dont think santa has a chord named after him :( 18:57:15 muris: lol 18:57:31 Owen: Asussanta anyone? 18:57:34 Owen: invent it? 18:57:36 Owen: :P 18:58:01 Salivtomte: lol, thats great 18:58:30 muris: funny comment Owen 18:58:32 muris: thanks :) 18:59:26 Owen: :P 18:59:55 Salivtomte: that flashing pick is really helpfull 19:00:07 Salivtomte: every GMC teacher should posess one 19:00:20 Owen: do you get free versions of them too? as you endorse them? 19:00:31 muris: yeah,guides in right direction ;) 19:00:40 muris: I'm an endorser,yes 19:01:13 muris: so,leeson is helpful? 19:01:20 Salivtomte: Whats your guys position on transcribing by ear, versus learning quicker with tabs? 19:01:22 muris: lesson* 19:01:46 Owen: everyone says do it by ear, but I dunno where to start learning with that 19:02:24 Salivtomte: yeah, im defenelty going to learn that, switching keyes really made the thing sound more interesting 19:02:37 muris: ok :) 19:02:53 Salivtomte: muris; tabs vs ear transcribing? 19:03:00 Owen: does the backing chord need to change to be able to mess with different keys as the lead? 19:03:15 Owen: or do you have to stay consistant with the key as the chord at the particular point 19:03:16 muris: key is the same 19:03:27 muris: pentatonics are changing 19:03:42 Owen: yeah, I meant the key of the scale :P 19:04:01 Salivtomte: yeah, thats a good question 19:04:27 muris: key is tonality guys 19:04:33 muris: chord is something else 19:05:26 Salivtomte: Yeah but i guess what he means is, A backing track has the chord progression Am Dm G etc 19:05:35 Salivtomte: and its played in the key of Am 19:05:40 muris: it has 19:05:56 muris: but you can play all those pentationic over Am chord 19:06:01 muris: or G 19:06:03 muris: or F 19:06:06 muris: or Dm 19:06:11 Salivtomte: and where do you move you pentatonic scaleshape 19:06:11 muris: or Em 19:06:26 muris: as long the key is Am 19:06:44 Salivtomte: im lost :( 19:06:54 muris: guess so 19:07:02 Owen: so your saying we could play g minor pentatonic over an Am chord? 19:07:07 muris: must get better view over key 19:07:08 Salivtomte: guess thats something that comes with theory 19:07:19 Owen: or g pentatonic even 19:07:21 muris: key has 7 notes,right? 19:07:47 muris: guys? 19:07:49 Salivtomte: yeah, right 19:07:53 muris: ok 19:08:19 muris: everything you have inside one key..chords,scale,patterns etc 19:08:28 muris: is made of those 7 notes 19:08:35 muris: ok? 19:09:08 Salivtomte: ok . .. 19:09:10 Salivtomte: :D 19:09:25 muris: are you able to folow me? 19:09:25 Salivtomte: thats with a major scale 19:09:45 Salivtomte: what notes would that be, in the key of A 19:09:55 muris: notes of Am scale 19:10:07 muris: those notes defined everything 19:10:20 Owen: B# ? 19:10:28 muris: let me make this easier 19:10:33 Salivtomte: but in a pentatonic scale that would only be five notes? 19:10:37 muris: what was purpose of my lesson ? 19:10:41 Salivtomte: A C D E G 19:10:59 Owen: I need more sleep I think V_V 19:11:16 muris: ok Owen 19:11:34 Salivtomte: :D 19:11:40 muris: ;) 19:11:40 Owen: although I'm gonna continue to ignore my eyes and read on :P 19:11:49 muris: so 19:11:52 muris: purpose? 19:11:52 Salivtomte: yeah 19:12:23 Salivtomte: with that video lesson? 19:12:27 muris: yeah 19:12:39 muris: just see the text 19:13:30 Salivtomte: to avoid usual sound of playing only A minor pentatonic" 19:13:44 Salivtomte: ? 19:13:56 muris: yes 19:13:58 muris: you see 19:14:30 muris: one of the first thing that each guitar player learns is pentatonic slace 19:14:36 Salivtomte: yeah, im on with that 19:14:37 muris: scale 19:14:42 Salivtomte: yes 19:14:44 muris: now 19:14:58 muris: he plays it over any chord progression 19:15:05 Salivtomte: and with now further knowledge the player would get stuck in this penta key 19:15:10 Salivtomte: for the rest of his life 19:15:10 muris: in same key of course 19:15:21 muris: yes 19:15:25 muris: now 19:15:43 muris: in every major/minor scale there are 3 pentatonics 19:15:45 Salivtomte: what is the chord progression in the baking? 19:16:09 muris: Am,Dm ,Em 19:16:18 muris: latter we have F and G 19:16:27 Salivtomte: ok, now i am lost again, how would you define "a pentatonic" 19:16:45 muris: scale of 5 tones 19:16:49 Salivtomte: there is 3 pentatonics in a major scale 19:16:50 muris: has that blues sound 19:16:54 Salivtomte: yes 19:16:56 muris: or japanese :) 19:17:03 muris: speaking of major 19:17:23 muris: but you can see it in regular major,minor scale 19:17:30 muris: got that? 19:17:38 Salivtomte: so a pentatonic is basically a major/minor scale, with notes removed 19:17:49 muris: correct :) 19:17:50 Salivtomte: yeah 19:17:56 Salivtomte: okok 19:18:03 Salivtomte: now i am there again 19:18:08 muris: great 19:19:31 Salivtomte: so the harmonic minor scale contains all the notes from pentatonics in 3 different keyes? 19:19:45 muris: not keys 19:19:47 muris: remeber 19:19:54 muris: for key you need 7 notes 19:19:55 muris: not 5 19:19:57 muris: :) 19:20:27 muris: and it's not harmonic minor 19:20:32 muris: it's natural minor 19:20:46 Salivtomte: the Aminor scale contains the notes from the Am, Dm and Em Pentatonic? 19:20:54 Salivtomte: ok, natural 19:20:55 muris: yes!! :) 19:21:08 Salivtomte: right one, i just learned something :D 19:21:30 muris: and if you write them down'you'll be able to see them 19:21:52 Salivtomte: yeah, guess youre not lying :D 19:21:59 muris: :) 19:22:04 Owen: :P 19:22:17 Owen: huzzah for silent reading! 19:22:28 muris: ;) 19:23:01 Salivtomte: and the A major scale contains what Major pentatonics? 19:23:12 Salivtomte: A D E? 19:23:29 muris: wow 19:23:34 muris: there you go 19:23:38 Owen: :P 19:23:42 Salivtomte: cool, thx 19:23:50 muris: no prob 19:23:56 Stratman58: waaasup 19:24:03 muris: hi :) 19:24:04 Salivtomte: hello stratman 19:24:41 Owen: hey! 19:24:53 Stratman58: ok I would talk to you all, but nature's calling 19:24:54 Stratman58: ! 19:24:59 Salivtomte: muris, have you learned out of tabs or ear transcribing? 19:25:07 muris: ear 19:25:23 muris: the best way 19:25:36 muris: latter on I learned to read notation 19:25:40 muris: and that;s it 19:25:43 muris: :) 19:25:51 Salivtomte: i guess it is, i just started on it, doesnot speed things up really, but i guess i pays off in the end 19:26:00 muris: of course 19:26:07 muris: I said this milion times 19:26:22 muris: use tab only whaen it's needed 19:26:54 Salivtomte: thats something for GMC, all lesson tabs should be hidden 19:27:03 muris: good question 19:27:09 muris: we can't hide it 19:27:14 muris: it's there 19:27:22 muris: but be smart while using it 19:27:25 muris: :) 19:27:53 Salivtomte: you could make it visible with a push of a button 19:28:05 Salivtomte: wich would inquire a sercret password 19:28:24 muris: too coplicated I guess 19:28:24 Salivtomte: wich would only be known by the instructor 19:28:28 Salivtomte: :D 19:28:31 muris: this way it makes you to think 19:28:43 muris: do I need to look at the tab from the start? 19:28:44 muris: etc 19:28:59 Salivtomte: its hard not seeing it 19:29:02 Salivtomte: its there 19:29:12 muris: see your point tho :) 19:29:14 Salivtomte: atleast, you should have to scroll down 19:30:01 Salivtomte: i think that would be great, the staff hasnt really explained the benefits of ear transcribing 19:30:12 Salivtomte: .D 19:30:32 Salivtomte: so you started playing guitar without tabs? 19:30:38 muris: lol 19:30:48 muris: i started playing without guitar indeed 19:30:52 muris: for 2 years 19:31:05 Salivtomte: without guitar? 19:31:20 muris: I was borough it from neighbours 19:31:33 muris: few hours from each 19:31:43 muris: until I got my guitar :) 19:31:46 Salivtomte: and soon you got your hands on it you would listen to cd's? 19:31:53 muris: lol 19:31:56 muris: no cd 19:31:59 muris: tapes 19:32:02 Salivtomte: cool 19:32:05 muris: war time 19:32:09 Salivtomte: i see 19:32:21 Salivtomte: acoustic? 19:32:23 muris: it comes with motivation 19:32:28 muris: yeah 19:32:28 Salivtomte: it does 19:32:32 muris: acoustic 19:32:47 muris: latter on,after 5years of playing I got electric 19:33:09 muris: was like hypnoside 19:33:10 Salivtomte: what songs would you work on, for a start, an acoustic guitar sure does decrease the amount of songs possible to play 19:33:11 muris: :) 19:33:31 muris: well 19:33:41 muris: I played everything on that acoustic 19:33:51 muris: from Dire Straist to Metallica 19:33:52 Salivtomte: like what? 19:33:55 Salivtomte: lewl 19:34:00 muris: yeah 19:34:04 Salivtomte: nylon or steel? 19:34:05 muris: only guitar,you must 19:34:17 muris: some nylon,some steel 19:34:31 muris: depends of neighbour :) 19:34:52 muris: three were missing string of course 19:34:54 Salivtomte: what metallica songs did you learn to play on an acoustic? 19:34:55 muris: but who cares 19:34:57 Owen: I started on a steel 19:34:59 muris: :) 19:35:00 Owen: baptism of fire 19:35:18 muris: I leaned everything 19:35:25 muris: and solos 19:35:32 muris: hard to explain 19:35:37 muris: I just wanted it 19:35:38 Salivtomte: yes, i dont understand 19:35:51 Salivtomte: did it sound good? 19:35:51 muris: you can't go out 19:35:56 muris: play soccer or som 19:36:00 muris: you're at home 19:36:10 muris: playing and waiting for power to comes 19:36:21 muris: to play some tapes and learn new stuff 19:36:45 Salivtomte: thats a good enviornment for a musician imo 19:36:51 Salivtomte: nothing else to do 19:37:05 Salivtomte: thats inspiring 19:37:09 muris: except to die 8) 19:37:46 Salivtomte: no teachers involved? 19:37:57 muris: nope 19:38:03 Salivtomte: cool 19:38:08 muris: my brother showed me few chords 19:38:13 muris: A,D G etc 19:38:16 Owen: :O 19:38:18 muris: that's it 19:38:28 Salivtomte: thats a really cool story 19:38:41 Salivtomte: we are to spoiled and lazy 19:38:44 muris: that's really common story in Bosnia 19:38:46 Salivtomte: having, mp3s 19:38:53 Salivtomte: gmc 19:38:58 muris: mean during war time 19:39:02 muris: yeah 19:39:11 muris: having a lot id not always the best 19:39:25 Salivtomte: no, thats for certain 19:39:44 Salivtomte: so you would play all day long? 19:39:46 muris: at least on the begining 19:39:53 muris: latter on you need more stuff 19:40:04 muris: but let it be a bit harder on start 19:40:06 muris: imo 19:40:17 Salivtomte: hard to work out scales and stuff without guidance 19:40:33 muris: well 19:40:34 Salivtomte: cool, will remember that 19:40:40 muris: I played them all by ear 19:41:00 muris: figured out by myself 19:41:06 Salivtomte: but, if noone explained the benefits of them, or the shapes etc of them 19:41:30 Salivtomte: that most have taken some serious amount of time 19:41:38 muris: if you want or need,you can have by yourself 19:41:46 muris: with few answers of course 19:42:40 Salivtomte: thats so awsome, and inspiring 19:42:54 Salivtomte: i have to go to sleep, great talking to you guys 19:43:00 Salivtomte: owen, muris 19:43:06 muris: everyone has it's own path 19:43:15 muris: but goal is only that counts :) 19:43:37 Salivtomte: for certain, good night guys ! 19:43:42 muris: night 19:44:55 Owen: Ooops 19:44:57 Owen: I'm too late 19:44:58 Owen: :( 19:45:01 Owen: ah well 19:45:22 Owen: Trying to find a suitable bassist in my local area who's up for some jamming 19:45:27 Owen: not having much luck 19:45:35 muris: in Uk? 19:46:15 muris: miss? :( 19:49:10 Owen: yeah 19:49:49 Owen: its a bit of a pain, musical interest seems to be dictated by who is the coolest over here, rather than who has the most talent 19:51:58 muris: guess so 19:52:52 muris: added 4th vid :) 19:53:02 Owen: ah, where about? 19:53:25 muris: https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_fo...amp;#entry49773 <https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_forum/index.php?showtopic=5794&pid=49773&st=0&#entry49773> 19:54:39 Owen: so is the rest of your band essentially just session? 19:55:44 muris: not sure if I understood 19:56:14 Owen: they dont take part in the creation of the music they just play live or record? 19:56:25 muris: just live by now 19:56:44 muris: i'll do more live recording for my new album 19:56:53 muris: some of them'll be involved as well 19:58:01 Owen: cool, I dont think I could ever just play someone elses music though :P it'd annoy me :D 19:58:18 muris: :) 19:59:48 Owen: so does some of your stuff have vocals? 20:00:34 muris: not still 20:00:36 muris: but will 20:01:48 Owen: ah cool, is it something your learning? 20:03:00 muris: mean like life story or? 20:03:35 Owen: vocals? 20:03:50 muris: learning what? 20:04:58 Owen: how to sing? or have you just not incorporated into the music it thus far 20:05:13 muris: no 20:05:18 muris: I sing all the time 20:05:29 Owen: :) 20:05:29 muris: but I did first record all instrumental 20:05:32 muris: thats'l all 20:05:36 muris: :) 20:06:06 Owen: ah I just wondered, because you looked like you were singing live and it seemed strange that there was none on the record :P 20:06:17 muris: yeah 20:06:22 muris: many asked the same 20:06:24 muris: dunno 20:06:36 muris: just wanted it this way 20:07:40 Owen: yeah, I like the instrumental thing, I was just wondering though :) 20:09:21 muris: :) 20:10:05 Owen: woo! I got another review on the GMC front page :P go me! :D 20:11:23 muris: lol 20:11:25 muris: you see 20:11:39 muris: we can make evrything if we work together 20:11:50 muris: ;) 20:12:17 Owen: :P 20:12:36 Owen: 2 to me in the album reviews, 2 to the Uncreator :P 20:12:53 muris: thumbs up 20:13:06 Owen: now I need to find more indie bands to review :P 20:13:46 muris: cool 20:13:55 muris: search around myspace 20:13:59 muris: many there 20:14:13 Owen: or I could review that Notting Hillbillies cd :P I'm listenin to that just now actually 20:14:24 muris: great :) 20:14:41 muris: your own sweet way 20:14:44 muris: what a tune 20:14:58 Owen: I guess it makes up for my general lack of guitar advice on the forums :P I'm not gearhead :) 20:15:04 Owen: no* 20:15:26 muris: no need for it :) 20:16:19 Owen: yeah, theres plenty other folks who are :D 20:16:31 muris: ;) 20:16:38 Owen: area's for everyone to contribute 20:17:26 muris: indeed 20:17:59 muris: i'll finish movie I started yesterday :) 20:18:13 muris: was nice talking as always 20:18:35 muris: bye 20:18:40 Owen: I gtg too 20:18:41 Owen: sleep 20:18:43 Owen: :P 20:18:52 Owen: bye! same to you too :) 20:18:57 muris: :) -- GMC Management Team www.GuitarMasterClass.net |
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