Is It Possible To Shred With Feeling?
Gabriel Leopardi
Mar 1 2018, 03:15 PM
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I'm tired of reading that shred playing is not musical, and that shredders play without feeling.

What's your point of view? Is It Possible to Shred With Feeling?


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klasaine
Mar 1 2018, 04:27 PM
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I guess it depends on the player and the esthetics of the music: If the guitarist is actually 'improvising' then sure, there's plenty of 'feeling'. Van Halen and Randy Rhoads definitely play/played with feeling. Do Vai and Satch count as 'shred'? Even Yngwie has an emotional component to his style. IDK, is technique a means to an end or is it the end in itself?

Alan Holdsworth for example. Skip to 3:25 ...



And Al DiMeola ...

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George Hlio
Mar 1 2018, 06:04 PM
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I agree it is possible! Everything we listen and gives us chills means it has feeling probably!
And shredding gives me chills depending of course on the player...
Mindless and continous shredding makes me get bored...

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Generalizing all shredder's as playing without feeling is obviously a ridiculous position to have. There are quite many instrumentalists that can play incredibly fast and with great emotion. However, I have certainly seen some mindless robots that can play incredibly fast but have no direction and just seem to be going through the motions of simply running scales or even playing nonsense at high speed.

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QUOTE (George Hlio @ Mar 1 2018, 06:04 PM) *
Mindless and continous shredding makes me get bored...

This to me is the main point of this . As long as the fast, shreddy passages are broken up with slower, softer passages then it will all have a flow, along with a musical suggestion of emotions running fast and slow, peaks and troughs, call and response, in essence a balance between both extremes!
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QUOTE (Sensible Jones @ Mar 1 2018, 05:18 PM) *
This to me is the main point of this . As long as the fast, shreddy passages are broken up with slower, softer passages then it will all have a flow, along with a musical suggestion of emotions running fast and slow, peaks and troughs, call and response, in essence a balance between both extremes!
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You are so right man! It is like dancing! It wouldn't beso impressive to see constant rolls and twists because it would probably give you headache! But in the form of a flow it would be beautiful, graceful and impressive.

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Todd Simpson
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Rick is a great example, so is our own kris Dahl and I sure try to shred with feeling! once things get fast enough some folks just cant hear the feeling in it seems.

QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Mar 1 2018, 10:15 AM) *
I'm tired of reading that shred playing is not musical, and that shredders play without feeling.

What's your point of view? Is It Possible to Shred With Feeling?



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Just because a player plays 'slow', adds vibrato, adds space and/or bends a string doesn't mean they're playing with feeling.

I immediately lose interest in any player of any instrument in any style once I realize they're just reciting learned patterns.

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your fast playing can only sound fast if there is slow to compare it to , same with vibrato to the lack there of . Your yin can only be as good as your yang and when you have enough tools to take your listener where you want them to go , who cares what someone says

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I always perceived "shred" as more of a percussive, rhythmic thing rather than melodic.

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Gabriel Leopardi
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Interesting points guys! I also think that depends on the player and in some cases depend on the performance.

Yngwie plays lots of notes here with lots of feeling.



What do you think? Do you think that Yngwie is playing with feeling on this video?

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No it's not possible. smile.gif

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It does come down to the ears of listener. If Yngwie is shredding with feeling and it just sounds like a blur to the listener, then the listener might say it has no feeling as they don't feel much when listening. However, if you can hear what he is playing, and be moved by it, the it does sound like he is injecting feeling in to it. Some folks just can't "hear" that fast IMHO smile.gif

QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Mar 2 2018, 11:13 AM) *
Interesting points guys! I also think that depends on the player and in some cases depend on the performance.

Yngwie plays lots of notes here with lots of feeling.



What do you think? Do you think that Yngwie is playing with feeling on this video?

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