Gmc Songwriting Collaboration (!), Let's write a song together! |
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Oct 12 2014, 09:32 PM
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Hi there!
 My suggestion is to build the base on a similar chord progression: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tr4eBkibHY8 Then we could play something really melodic. And transition to a different one later. Greetings, Dian |
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Oct 12 2014, 09:53 PM
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Hey Dian, that could be a cool approach. Do you have any favorite chord progression?
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Oct 13 2014, 02:26 PM
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My idea for this collab is to try and create something which we would actually want to listen to on our ipods (or whatever device we carry). The normal collabs we do are a lot of fun, but they don't teach you guys how to write a meaningful song (rather they teach how to write a meaningful, but stand-alone, guitar part).
So I would like to write something which sounds like a real song, but still contains as much influences as possible from the community. * Rhythm guitar sound: In order to get a coherent sound I will either re-record whatever guitar parts we decide upon, or I will re-amp your audio * For leads I can either do re-amp, maybe EQ matching - or even re-record the takes myself if needed. * we can (and should!) also use software instruments (drums, pianos, synths etc) and in this case sound is usually not a problem, as we can bounce midi files back and forth but still use the same sound engine in my audio project. In order to squeeze in as many people as possible, I would want to structure the song with some kind of question and answer thing (listen to the verses of my song "love me" for example): By having guitar leads answering a main melody we can get away with a lots of cool licks without getting a messy song structure. Of course everyone will not get a long solo, but I believe that teaching you how to play three perfect notes is what you currently need most. If you learn that, just imagine how cool it will be when you can play 20 perfect notes in a row?! Besides, if you want to do studio work, no one usually wants to hear long guitar solos - they will want to hear guitar parts that enhance and complement the music. Even if a take of yours does not survive until the final version, just being involved in this collab will be very stimulating, since we will discuss and make informed decisions about where we take the song. And that analysis is the main goal of this collab. -- So if you guys want to send me your ideas you can either do it here, or send me a private message. Remember there are no good or bad starting points for a song, songwriting is just an equation: component A + component B + component C = cool song Component A can pretty much be whatever you want, but it will have a heavy influence on the choice component B and C in order to get a cool song. (well at least what I perceive as a cool song..!  )With this cryptic talk I am trying to say that the easy part is now, because you can throw on anything you want at this stage! |
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Oct 13 2014, 06:24 PM
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This sounds like a lot of fun. If we're going for an EP sound, there's room for 3 or 4 guitars in the rhythm secion alone
It would be cool to take a Porcupine Tree approach - slow to epic back to slow again, where there's room for accoustic/easy playing into hair-raising full blown in your face metal riffage. As for organizing such a project - songs typically progress from an initial idea that gets thrown out there as a scratch track / concept. If adopted, then the folk responsible for that scratch can begin refining it while the next set of people work on the transition to the next song concept. It would be challenging, but fun I think to try to tie the second concept back int the first concept to close out the song. I think a guitar opening for 2 bars, then drums and bass coming in to support that idea for the next 16 or so bars (perhaps vocals coming in after the 4th / 8th bar to help carry the initial idea for some time. So we'd need a guitar opener idea to build on, then someone to brave out a drum track and bass (*cough - Bogdan ** cough cough ** bogdan) to support that. Then someone else can come up with a concept to tie in to the first idea and take it full metal or full rock . Rinse and repeat. And I'd like to hear your dreamy voice again, Kris Just blathering how I would approach it Would this include video as well? I can supply some bunny rabbit footage 
This post has been edited by SirJamsalot: Oct 13 2014, 06:26 PM -------------------- The more I practice, the more I wish I had time to practice!
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Oct 13 2014, 08:21 PM
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How exciting !!! This is great.. I will keep a close eye on this thread to see how things develop :-)))
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Oct 13 2014, 08:35 PM
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QUOTE (Kristofer Dahl @ Oct 13 2014, 12:31 PM)  Btw what do you mean with 'EP' sound? I just meant something that ties off, as opposed to random noodling throught - organized with a knowable progression. EP was the wrong word - a red herring to make me sound smart 
-------------------- The more I practice, the more I wish I had time to practice!
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Oct 13 2014, 08:44 PM
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QUOTE (Kristofer Dahl @ Oct 13 2014, 12:38 PM) Ok I see. It worked! You seem very smart! Btw what's a red herring? (I think we're caught in a never ending loop!  )Red Herring -------------------- The more I practice, the more I wish I had time to practice!
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Oct 13 2014, 08:46 PM
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QUOTE (SirJamsalot @ Oct 13 2014, 09:44 PM) What's the wikipedia? I told you this would never end! ...sorry couldn't resist 
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Oct 13 2014, 08:52 PM
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QUOTE (Kristofer Dahl @ Oct 13 2014, 12:46 PM) ...sorry couldn't resist  me either
-------------------- The more I practice, the more I wish I had time to practice!
My Band Forum: http://passionfly.site/chat |
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Oct 13 2014, 09:03 PM
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QUOTE (SirJamsalot @ Oct 13 2014, 09:52 PM) me either You're not that nervous about this, are you?
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Oct 14 2014, 10:40 AM
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Ok I couldn't stop myself
 so here is a first idea for an intro. It's in G major / 70 bpm and will easily translate to a slow and heavy riff in E minor - re-using the same melody as this clean part but with heavy chugging in between the melody notes. It could kick in with lots of explosions and dynamics after the clean intro (love that kind of stuff )
intro_idea1.mp3 ( 478.7K )
Number of downloads: 168Quick 'n dirty tab ( I play this using fingerpicking, middle single coil of my strat, AC30 type amp with compression and tremolo effect): ---2/3----2/3 Here is a quick n dirty looped version in case you guys think we should work on a longer intro. (possibilities are endless, we could add more electric/acoustic guitars, volume swells, backgrounds strings, pads etc etc)
intro_idea1_looped.mp3 ( 2.78MB )
Number of downloads: 124 |
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Oct 14 2014, 01:21 PM
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Hi everybody! This collaboration idea sounds great!! I'm sure that we will be creating an amazing track together! I just listened to Kris initial idea and a powerful riff came to mind. I'm not sure if this one is usable and where, but as it came to my mind I decided to record it.
Check it out!
Gab_idea_1_with_drums.mp3 ( 804.41K )
Number of downloads: 178
Gab_idea_1_only_guitars.mp3 ( 804.41K )
Number of downloads: 126 -------------------- My lessons
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Oct 14 2014, 05:53 PM
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QUOTE (Kristofer Dahl @ Oct 14 2014, 10:12 AM) Excellent Gab, and that's a brutal sound you have got! This one is in my project now - I can picture it as bridge riff or when we need tension (for example at the end of a main riff). We could go for a main riff with lots of tension as well - but I'd prefer something more harmonic as I believe that's where the strongest melodies will come form. That sounds great! Looking forward new parts for this promising song! I think that everybody should give a try to this one! Don't worry if you think that your idea is not "THE" big idea. The more stuff we provide for this one, the more we have to choose and in the end, the cooler the final song will be! -------------------- My lessons
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