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Corona Virus Spreading Out Of China
AK Rich
Mar 30 2020, 06:02 PM
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As far as the recovery goes in China and how successful they are in stopping Covid-19. I have trouble believing it because they have suppressed information from the rest of the world and their own people from the beginning. Everyone in the world should understand that the suffering in countries around the world are in large part due to the Chinese government holding back critically needed information and their continued negligence in allowing situations that contribute to these kinds of outbreaks in the past and present. The rest of the world needs to make sure that the Chinese government is held accountable for allowing this thing to be as bad as it is. Maybe our debt to them should be erased is an idea that I have heard floated recently.
Here is an article that goes into what I have stated here. Everyone should read it and remember, and that even now, things are most likely worse than they say. Do you really believe their mortality rate numbers or the number of infected for example? Because I sure don't, but that is for another post.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2...g-blame/608332/

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Mar 30 2020, 07:55 PM
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Yes there isn't much to disagree about what happened in China and how they "handled things" before+during the spread but to be honest blaming things at this point doesn't matter much.

In-fact, it diverts (political) pressure from responsible politicians and imho they need to be pressured to do their best. Every country without exception took the situation too lightly and now we've only started to face consequences.

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AK Rich
Mar 30 2020, 08:46 PM
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QUOTE (Mertay @ Mar 30 2020, 10:55 AM) *
Yes there isn't much to disagree about what happened in China and how they "handled things" before+during the spread but to be honest blaming things at this point doesn't matter much.

In-fact, it diverts (political) pressure from responsible politicians and imho they need to be pressured to do their best. Every country without exception took the situation too lightly and now we've only started to face consequences.

Oh I agree. Right now we just need to get through this, and that in the future, the rest of the nations of the world need to take steps to ensure that they are much better prepared for a situation like this. But after all the dust has settled, I think it's important for all of the nations of the world that have been affected by this to stand together to hold the Chinese government accountable, and for big changes to be made in how the world does business with China and how China is allowed to do business with the rest of the world.

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QUOTE (AK Rich @ Mar 30 2020, 07:46 PM) *
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I expect that to happen no matter what. We've discussed the mistake of depending on Chinese production so much was a mistake, maybe not economic but strategically. As the Covid jumped to India who knows which material shortages we'll see in a week or 2...

I expect China's era of extreme growth to end anyway, I mean even before the corona we were discussing USA tariff's. And even before that globalism was discussed specially in EU weather brexit or refugee issue's.

So 2020 economically in down to thrash, might even extend to 2021. Probably by 2022 we'll likely see a re-shaping of what we understand of globalism and global marketing.

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The long term effects of this on our population and our global economy are hard to predict in terms of specifics, but it does seem one good thing is oil/gas is getting cheap. Expensive gas/oil is just a shadoow tax imho because it can be just as cheap as it is right now, at any time. Only by restricting supply does opect make the price rise. They are in a slap fight with russia now and are trying to over produce to make russia yield. I don't think it will work. Underestimating the Russians ability to cope with harship is always a mistake.

I do hope it lights a fire under govts to start spending on pandemic research and general research and also to spend on stockpiling so we are not caught off guard, again. But only time will tell.

QUOTE (Mertay @ Mar 30 2020, 04:33 PM) *
I expect that to happen no matter what. We've discussed the mistake of depending on Chinese production so much was a mistake, maybe not economic but strategically. As the Covid jumped to India who knows which material shortages we'll see in a week or 2...

I expect China's era of extreme growth to end anyway, I mean even before the corona we were discussing USA tariff's. And even before that globalism was discussed specially in EU weather brexit or refugee issue's.

So 2020 economically in down to thrash, might even extend to 2021. Probably by 2022 we'll likely see a re-shaping of what we understand of globalism and global marketing.

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https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

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The day I moved to Florida, the Governor shut down the state. We are now on the same trajectory as Italy which is not good news. Which is to say our curve of death/infection is going to be similar to theirs. Here is DR FAUCI who is the Presidents main guy on this top and a very smart man whom I've come to respect. Bad news is he says this is still gonna get worse before it gets better. Shockingly, here in Florida, Church services are still being allowed despite the fact that it's going to get a LOT of people sick and get a lot of people Dead. Florida has more old folks than any other state in the union. It's a very vulnerable population.


We have had about 10 Million people asked for unemployment. These are numbers we have not seen since the great depression. We lost 13 million jobs in the great depression and it took 3 years. We will lose more jobs than that by the end of next week. It's just grim. I wish I could put a more happy spin on it. One Million plus Infected and we are not even at the peak yet.

We will get through this. Stay strong, stay calm, practice guitar!

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*Deaths DOUBLE in one day. I was hoping this would be wrapped up by now and it's getting exponentially worse day by day. Stay safe folks. I'm in Florida and the entire state has been shut down. It happened the day I got here.

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