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GMC Forum _ GEAR & PRODUCTION _ Guitar Rig 3 And Other Amp Modeling Software
Posted by: Neth Apr 23 2008, 04:16 PM
Recently I've been reading up and looking at the Amp Modeling softwares such as guitar rig 3 and others.
I've been thinking of getting guitar rig 3 with the pedal since it seems really amazing, and supposed to save a lot of money on buying lots of effects and such.
I was wondering if anyone tried out the program or similar amp modeling softwares and can recommend for it or even just generally share his experience with it.
Cheers mates! 
Posted by: Zizi Top Apr 23 2008, 04:24 PM
i was confused between buying a pod x3 or guitar rig 3 but every body told me like podx3 is way better ...cz you can plug it directly to your pc..
Posted by: OrganisedConfusion Apr 23 2008, 04:25 PM
I like GR3. We used it to record all the guitars on our EP that you can hear here if you so wish http://www.myspace.com/voiceofthesouluk
It can get pretty good sounds a lot of the time and makes recording in a home studio a lot easier but will never compete with recording a mic'ed up amp properly.
Posted by: Neth Apr 23 2008, 04:35 PM
Well I'm not really bothered with recording rather playing with it live.
As in with my band, getting a lap top, in rehearsal or when performing, plugging the guitar to the laptop and to the amp they provide us at the place we perform at or rehearse at, then controlling all the presets I have with the pedal. And the sound obviously will come out of the amp.
Is it doable and wont cause me too much trouble?
Posted by: OrganisedConfusion Apr 23 2008, 04:37 PM
As in with my band, getting a lap top, in rehearsal or when performing, plugging the guitar to the laptop and to the amp they provide us at the place we perform at or rehearse at, then controlling all the presets I have with the pedal. And the sound obviously will come out of the amp.
Is it doable and wont cause me too much trouble?
If it is for live then get a POD X3 Live.
Then you don't need a laptop
Posted by: audiopaal Apr 23 2008, 05:42 PM
Then you don't need a laptop
Good point
Posted by: avodiez Apr 23 2008, 08:38 PM
Hi all,
Nothing further from my intention than using this for advertising me nor my group 
but I think that it could be a god example of how two of the most recognized amp modeling software sound like.
For recording:
IK Multimedia Amplitube 2 (http://www.amplitube.com)
In this song 
learning_point.mp3 ( 5.1MB )
: 224
, every guitar (even the bass) is processed through Amplitube 2 (mesa rectifier simulation) and has been recorded directly plugging the instrument in to a laptop line-in (integrated realtek soundcard)
Native Instruments Guitarrig 2 (http://www.native-instruments.com/index.php?id=guitarrig3, currently it is version 3.1)
In this one
track_number_3.mp3 ( 4.91MB )
: 253
, GuitarRig 3 is used (several emulations, for both guitars and bass) but, in this case, the laptop's headphones output was directed to the line-in of a berhinger v-ampire head connected to a berhinger 4x12 cabinet and recorded with cheap mics.
For live playing and gigs:
Until getting my current rig, I tried several ways to get a decent sound without expending too much money and once also tried to get it out of a laptop with one these simulators. Everything was fine in-house, at low volume levels but, as soon as I tried to use it live, at medium-high volumes, the noise (zums, lot of hiss, the laptop frequencies all around, etc.) I gave it up.
Even the settings used for the second song could be used for live performances; we had to manage with a lot of noises during the recording process that wouldn't make us able to use it for a gig.
Hope this helped,
Alvaro
Posted by: Toni Suominen Apr 23 2008, 08:44 PM
The best amp modeling software at the moment IMO: Revalver. You gotta check it out, Revalver III should be out soon
Posted by: Ivan Milenkovic Apr 24 2008, 12:51 AM
I like REvalver too, but didn't quite manged to figured out all the options it has 
Guitar RIg is great, but imo Amplitube2 is better in terms of sound quality then GR2. Haven't tried GR3 tho..
Posted by: somecrazyguy09 Apr 24 2008, 04:20 AM
yeah i too have been asking myself this same question. right now i have a toneport gx but i'm not really liking the tones gearbox has to offer so i've been looking at GR3 since i've heard it being used by Gustavo Guerra on youtube and love his tone. but i've never experimented with a pod before so does it just offer the same tone qualities at gearbox or is it supposed to be way better?, in which case i would have to go try it out.
Posted by: mba64 Feb 6 2009, 07:42 AM
I have downloaded Peavey MK III demo for a 2 week`s ago,and at first I got the impression that it was so fizzy and that I stick with my Amplitube and guitar Rig,but
after that i have visited GuitarAmpModelling site and got some great info about how to set up the sound so it fit my gear.................I was blown away this is the thing that I have been searching it is very good sounding and tweakable.
I can get every sound I want with this one.If you learn how to tweak it so it fit`s your gear.
Posted by: Emir Hot Feb 6 2009, 11:34 AM
Almost all my lessons are recorded with Amplitube 2. Really great tool for home recording.
Posted by: -Zion- Feb 6 2009, 11:55 AM
interesting programs..
can either of these programs be used without additional hardware, and just plug the guitar directly into my soundcard?
Posted by: Ivan Milenkovic Feb 6 2009, 12:34 PM
Yes mate, this is how it's suppose the work. But you need a fast card so that you don't have any latency and you can play in real time.
Posted by: -Zion- Feb 6 2009, 12:38 PM
thank you.. i guess i have to try out the demo this weekend..
i have a creative X-FI, but have no idea how fast it is..
Posted by: Ivan Milenkovic Feb 6 2009, 03:49 PM
That is a high end gamer card, and I think it should work good, I'm not sure. Let us know how it works for you, that info might be useful! Thanks!
Posted by: tonymiro Feb 6 2009, 04:45 PM
I may be wrong but I think the software version of NI GR3 uses Asio2 for its default audio drivers. If that is the case then the Creative needs to be able to support Asio2. I had a look on Creative's web site but there wasn't any info about this that I could find - I'm pretty sure the Creative will support Asio just not 100% positive.
Cheers,
Tony
One other thing to think about Zion - if you just use the software version how are you going to interface your guitar and the Creative X-Fi? I doubt that the creative will cope with the impedance of an electric guitar ie it probably doesn't have HiZ input.
Posted by: -Zion- Feb 6 2009, 07:21 PM
Cheers,
Tony
One other thing to think about Zion - if you just use the software version how are you going to interface your guitar and the Creative X-Fi? I doubt that the creative will cope with the impedance of an electric guitar ie it probably doesn't have HiZ input.
well.. i guess i just have to find out the hard way..
Posted by: tonymiro Feb 6 2009, 07:50 PM
Least it will be with a demo version mate - so no cost if it doesn't work . Hopefully it will work as NI stuff is very good quality in my experience. Best of luck with it Zion.
Cheers,
Tony
Posted by: Marcus Siepen Feb 6 2009, 08:08 PM
All of my lessons were recorded with Guitar Rig 3, the abolut perfect solution for home recording in my opinion. If you want to try it yourself, make sure to get Guitar Rig 3, it sounds much better and is easier to handle compared to Guitar Rig 2.
Posted by: kaznie_NL Feb 6 2009, 08:11 PM
Guitar Rig is quite expensive. If you don't want a demo version, but you also don't want to pay a lot, Pod Farm with a Pod Studio GX (about 70 euros) might be a nice option.
Posted by: Ivan Milenkovic Feb 6 2009, 10:13 PM
I agree with Kaz. Gearbox/PodFarm are a cheaper and are very good plugins as well. You can get some great sounds with them as well, specially crunch and clean.
Posted by: Marcus Siepen Feb 7 2009, 11:24 AM
As always it is a matter of personal taste in the end I guess. If you have the chance you should try to download some demo versions of different softwares and play around with them a bit, like this you can decide yourself which sounds you like the most.
Posted by: -Zion- Feb 10 2009, 12:44 PM
Well, i was successful in my testing of Amplitube 2..
I put my guitar in my multi-effect pedal and over in my sound card.. and it worked.. however there was a slight delay.. it's not much, but it's there..
i now all of you are wondering wth i am doing with Amplitube 2 if i already have a multi-effect pedal?? hahah..
Well, i wanted to see if a software effect program was a lot easier to use and better sounding.. (haven't decided yet)
It worked straight out of the "box" (straight into the line-in), but some say that it would be better to use ASIO, so i have found some http://www.asio4all.com/, but haven't tried them yet (maybe it can help on the delay issue???)
Posted by: Nermin Feb 10 2009, 10:24 PM
I have guitar rig 3. Its great modeling unit. I have mostly used the stock pre sets that come with it and they sound great to me. THere is so many options you can tweak that you can virtually recreate any sound. Definitly try the demo, to get an idiea.
Posted by: Bogdan Radovic Feb 11 2009, 01:13 AM
Guitar rig 3 is great piece of software..But I would recommend checking out Toneport or POD studio devices (ux1 , ux2 etc)...They come with Gearbox software (and/or POD farm) which is essentially the guitar amps/cabs/effects simulator and pretty same as guitar rig 3...OF course the sound is different but Gearbox can make some really good sounds and compete with GR3 very well...Price of toneport/pod studio should be much lower...and you can use its interface for other instruments as well - vocals/bass/keyboards...
Posted by: mba64 Feb 11 2009, 09:27 AM
I whould take down demos of guitar Rig 3 and Revalver mark III and Overloud,so you can try them out and se witch sound you like, everybody has it`s own sound that they like and exeriment with it.
Posted by: rdrock Feb 20 2009, 02:54 PM
I'm using Guitar Rig 3 through my headset. Sounds nice, but would like to purchase either powered monitors or a keyboard amp. GR3 does not sound good through my guitar amp VOX AD30VT or my stereo amp. All ideas welcome.
Posted by: tonymiro Feb 20 2009, 03:25 PM
For the monitors rd it may help to let us know a few more details: price range; intended use; where are you likely to site them; room size, wattage required; etc. That way we can narrow it down
Cheers,
Tony
Posted by: rdrock Feb 20 2009, 04:08 PM
Cheers,
Tony
Tony, Room size 15x15, was hoping to spend around $400 US for either 2 powered speakers or a keyboard monitor. Was wondering which way to go. Probably less than 100 watts. I'm also hoping to purchase either a Yamaha MO6 or a Korg keyboard. Therefore the interest in the keyboard amp. The Keavy kB3 or two speakers with 5 or 8 inch woofers were my considerations. I am also running all my music software through a new laptop. If I could get GR3 to sound as good as it does through my headset, I would be happy. Thanks for helping
Posted by: GuitarJones Feb 20 2009, 04:23 PM
I was planning on buying some monitors for my practice room about the same size and was ready to fork out around $400. Then I realized that my little Marshall MG amp had a cd line in so I connected the computer out to this and it sounded really good. I think I paid around $80 for this amp new.
Posted by: rdrock Feb 20 2009, 04:32 PM
Hey, I have one of those little amps in my attic...I check it out. Thanks a lot!
Posted by: tonymiro Feb 20 2009, 04:52 PM
The Marshall may be fine for the GT3 rd but I don't think it could handle the frequency range of the Motif.
If you intend to gig then I think you'd be best to go with a keyboard amp. I can't suggest any as I don't use them. If it's for home use and recording/mixing/monitoring then I'd look at active near field monitors given your room size. Around the 400USD/200UK Sterling bracket take a look at any of the following Tannoy Reveal, KRK RP G2, Genelec 6010, ESI Near 05, also ones from Yamaha, Mackie, Samson, M-audio...
I used to take my Boss GT8 through to my active Tannoys and it sound great, specially for stereo panned effects .
BTW - a bit off topic and early days but as your room is square 15x15 you may want to take a look at Andrew's blog about building a home studio. Square rooms can cause some headaches for siting monitors due to reflections etc.
Posted by: rdrock Feb 20 2009, 05:00 PM
If you intend to gig then I think you'd be best to go with a keyboard amp. I can't suggest any as I don't use them. If it's for home use and recording/mixing/monitoring then I'd look at active near field monitors given your room size. Around the 400USD/200UK Sterling bracket take a look at any of the following Tannoy Reveal, KRK RP G2, Genelec 6010, ESI Near 05, also ones from Yamaha, Mackie, Samson, M-audio...
I used to take my Boss GT8 through to my active Tannoys and it sound great, specially for stereo panned effects
.BTW - a bit off topic and early days but as your room is square 15x15 you may want to take a look at Andrew's blog about building a home studio. Square rooms can cause some headaches for siting monitors due to reflections etc.
OK, just measured the room...13X15. Thanks for all your help everyone. I think I'm on the right track now. Sure doesn't take long to get good answers here. Much appreciated!
Posted by: GuitarJones Feb 20 2009, 05:10 PM
Cool
Let me know how it works for you
Posted by: rdrock Feb 20 2009, 06:17 PM
Let me know how it works for youWell, I did what you said. It worked just fine, (through the CD input) and sounded much better than my VOX modeling amp. Thanks for the advice.
Posted by: GuitarJones Feb 20 2009, 07:43 PM
You're welcome. Glad it worked and will hopefully be good enough. I've found mine to be a good computer speaker for everything I do on the computer
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