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Aug 10 2014, 09:08 PM |
When people go on about a guitarists "style" I know what they mean BUT, how is style developed? I mean we all have to follow the same "rules", using the same scales and notes so how does someone get a style? Eddie Van Halen always has that throw away sound and always sounds like he's having a party, SRV sound so so loose (in a good way).
Not that I'm anywhere near having a style but how does it happen? You can very often hear a piece that you've never heard before by a guitarist that you know and you know who it is? Is the tone more of a give away or is it actually what they are doing with their fingers? I hope you understand my ramblings Cheers Phil -------------------- SEE MY GMC CERTIFICATE “Success is not obtained overnight. It comes in instalments; you get a little bit today, a little bit tomorrow until the whole package is given out. The day you procrastinate, you lose that day's success.” Israelmore Ayivor |
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Aug 11 2014, 02:10 AM |
That, in a sense, is the universal question.
100 people with different styles will tell you 100 different ways to get 'it'. A very generic and general way of developing or evolving towards a style is to understand that this ... we all have to follow the same "rules", using the same scales and notes so how does someone get a style? ... is actually not what you do. You do not have to follow the same rules. There may only be 12 notes (in several octaves) but how they're arranged is what gives one their 'style'. Scales are good to practice and good to know but they are not necessarily music. The way Steve Vai plays F G A B C is WAY different to the way John Coltrane, or Fela Kuti or Arvo Part play FGABC. How do they all make it different? I don't know. Only they know. Listen, absorb, practice ... rinse ... repeat. Eventually 'you' will come out. Or, in the immortal words of Clark Terry ... "Imitate, Assimilate, Innovate." This post has been edited by klasaine: Aug 11 2014, 04:50 AM -------------------- - Ken Lasaine
https://soundcloud.com/klasaine2/foolin-the-clouds https://soundcloud.com/klasaine2/surfin-at-the-country-hop Soundcloud assorted ... https://soundcloud.com/klasaine3 New record ... http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/kenlasaine Solo Guitar ... https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXZh...5iIdO2tpgtj25Ke Stuff I'm on ... https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXZh...b-dhb-4B0KgRY-d |
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Aug 11 2014, 04:19 PM |
Hi again mate, I casually shared a video on your other thread that talks about finding your voice. You should check it out:
Dave's thought can be applied to any instrument and to any aspect of our life. It's related to develop our personality and let our guitar express it. All those guys that you can recognize by their playing, tone and licks, have found their own voice that is totally related to their personalities. If you listen to them talking, you will surely find a relation between their music and their attitude, they look, they way of talking, the things that they say. Everything usually makes sense related to their playing. And sorry if I'm sharing too many videos, but this one is also reflects what I'm talking about: There are many little things that you can do to make this possible. Most of these things are explained on Wooten's, Ghrol's and Vai's how to be successful video. A good tip that I always say here is that the best way to use GMC lessons is not just learning the lesson. You have to understand what's happening related chord progressions, scales used and relation between phrases and chords to learn how the instructor composed it but then you have to loop the backing track and work on variations of each lick, combined with your own improvisations, experiment with them until you incorporate those ideas based on your taste and personality. That's how we slowly develop our style. This same thing can be applied to composition. You can start analyzing your favorite songs and creating variations, adding your thing. Then, with time and practice your compositions will start to be more and more personal and one day you'll notice that your compositions are talking about you. You can learn about you listening to your creations. That's the goal! -------------------- My lessons
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Aug 12 2014, 01:27 AM |
One thing that goes on is that we all have our own filter when we try to process information and repeat it. For example, EVH once said that all he was doing was trying to emulate Clapton licks but they ended up sounding totally different. Eddie's own personality filtered those Clapton licks along with his tone, fingers, pick attack and he made them into something that sounded like EVH. It's only just part of the puzzle but we will all have our own filter to slightly skew something. I might 'metal' something up or put pre bends and staccato pick attack into a lick that someone else will play smoothly with no inflections. You have 1) believe in yourself (as corny as that sounds), 2) believe that other people want to hear what you have to say, and/or 3) not care what other people think about what you have to say. -------------------- - Ken Lasaine
https://soundcloud.com/klasaine2/foolin-the-clouds https://soundcloud.com/klasaine2/surfin-at-the-country-hop Soundcloud assorted ... https://soundcloud.com/klasaine3 New record ... http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/kenlasaine Solo Guitar ... https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXZh...5iIdO2tpgtj25Ke Stuff I'm on ... https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXZh...b-dhb-4B0KgRY-d |
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Aug 12 2014, 04:03 PM |
All very interesting replies. Thank you so much.
Phil -------------------- SEE MY GMC CERTIFICATE “Success is not obtained overnight. It comes in instalments; you get a little bit today, a little bit tomorrow until the whole package is given out. The day you procrastinate, you lose that day's success.” Israelmore Ayivor |
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Aug 14 2014, 04:34 PM |
Almost as soon as I started playing guitar I played with other (learning) musicians. We sucked of course but I got to constantly try out everything I was working on - whether I really knew how to play it or not(?) - it didn't matter. Some of it worked, some of it didn't. Most of it got changed and adapted to fit whatever song we were trying to play.
To this day I still do that. I learn a lick or a chord voicing and I immediately (try to) apply it to something I'm doing in a band, on a gig, at a session or just for my own work at home. I usually have to adapt whatever it is slightly so that it becomes my way - my thing. *I guess what I'm saying is, "apply what you learn" ... just don't apply it to the song/style/genre you learned it from. Unless of course you're doing it for a cover band project. This post has been edited by klasaine: Aug 14 2014, 04:40 PM -------------------- - Ken Lasaine
https://soundcloud.com/klasaine2/foolin-the-clouds https://soundcloud.com/klasaine2/surfin-at-the-country-hop Soundcloud assorted ... https://soundcloud.com/klasaine3 New record ... http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/kenlasaine Solo Guitar ... https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXZh...5iIdO2tpgtj25Ke Stuff I'm on ... https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXZh...b-dhb-4B0KgRY-d |
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