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Posted by: Pedja Simovic Mar 9 2009, 08:57 PM

Here you can post your uploads for arpeggio/chord tones collaboration.

For more information regarding this collaboration click http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_forum/index.php?showtopic=25478

Posted by: Sami Mar 9 2009, 10:52 PM

Here is my take

feel free to mess with the EQ or anything, to make my take stand out against the backing a little more, i dont know but my take sounds a bit too quite, but use your judgement

thanks for the great backing i love it!

 pedja_arpeggio.mp3 ( 600.74K ) : 327

 pedja_arpeggio_no.bt.mp3 ( 599.1K ) : 251

Posted by: Pedja Simovic Mar 9 2009, 10:57 PM

Great Sami , thank for your take !
Feel free to record more, you really do seem to enjoy the backing I am glad to hear that

Feel free to submit more takes !

Also, there are some spots where you played non chord tones which is not cool

Posted by: Pedja Simovic Mar 10 2009, 01:48 PM

Here is my improvised take for this collaboration.
If you guys like it I will turn it into a lesson just like with previous two collaborations !

Posted by: Emir Hot Mar 10 2009, 02:18 PM

Excellent take Pedja. This would be extremely cool and useful lesson. I might post my one today

Posted by: Emir Hot Mar 10 2009, 02:56 PM

Do you want me to include effects or you prefer dry signal to mix it ?

Posted by: Pedja Simovic Mar 10 2009, 03:03 PM

Thank you Emir, I will definitely make a lesson out of it - hope members will benefit a lot from it!



With effects is fine, I don't mind at all

Posted by: Emir Hot Mar 10 2009, 03:07 PM

Ok then, here is my take

Posted by: Pedja Simovic Mar 10 2009, 03:12 PM

Great Emir !
Thanks for your take man, I will put you down as recorded. If you have time feel free to do more takes, this definitely passes the class by the way

Posted by: Emir Hot Mar 10 2009, 03:20 PM

Well I can only continue going up and down the neck it will sound vey similar anyway so I'll just leave this one

Posted by: Pedja Simovic Mar 10 2009, 03:21 PM

Cool man no problem , I marked you as recorded participant

Posted by: GrannyKiller Mar 15 2009, 11:06 PM

Hi Pedja! I know I'm posting my takes before you even put me on the list, but why wait ? hehe

I posted my inquiry for participation in the main topic.

Anyway, here are my takes:

With BT:  Chord_tone_collab_wBT.mp3 ( 954.89K ) : 259

Without BT:  Chord_tone_collab_woBT.mp3 ( 613.88K ) : 240

Posted by: Pedja Simovic Mar 15 2009, 11:11 PM

Hi Davor !
Thank you for posting your take, I will include you on the list and final mix. Haven't heard the take yet, is it 100% chord tones only ?

Posted by: GrannyKiller Mar 15 2009, 11:23 PM

Yeah, sure, as required 100% chord tones.

I can tab my take out if needed (although I doubt you need a tab )

Posted by: Pedja Simovic Mar 15 2009, 11:25 PM

In that case awesome !

Feel free to post a tab

Posted by: GrannyKiller Mar 16 2009, 02:29 AM

OK then, here it is...

 Chord_tone_collab.gp4 ( 4.82K ) : 192


I think I got some of the chords wrong, because looking at my transcription, it looks like there are G7sus4(no5), G5, Dm7add11(no5) chords in there as well. Dunno if this is OK. Please correct me!

Posted by: Pedja Simovic Mar 16 2009, 02:35 AM

I think transcription looks fine
Where exactly do you feel were the wrong spots?

Posted by: GrannyKiller Mar 16 2009, 02:49 AM

Dunno, maybe bars 5, 8, 9 & 13 on Rhodes piano.

It sounds OK to me as well, that's why I wrote it that way. I'm just not sure if the progression is supposed to be Cmaj7, Am7, Dm7, G7 all the time, or have you added some extra notes here and there. By ear, I'd say you did.

Anyway, my lead has only those notes you said we should use.

Posted by: Pedja Simovic Mar 16 2009, 02:51 AM

I see, you were referring to Rhodes part
I am just concerned about Lead guitar part being strictly with arpeggios and chord tones.
Very nice effort with backing track in Guitar pro. I will include guitar pro with everything but drums when lesson gets published, so you can double check it

Posted by: GrannyKiller Mar 16 2009, 03:00 AM

Extra! Thanks man!

This type of collab is a great lesson by itself.

Posted by: Pedja Simovic Mar 16 2009, 03:01 AM

No problem and you welcome !
I agree with you, it should be very rewarding experience for all participants

Posted by: wrk Mar 20 2009, 12:40 AM

Ok, this is not an outstanding solo , but it's an improvised take i did today. I wanted to focus on improvisation in this class collab and to be limited on only chord notes in each bar turned out to be quite difficult actually. It's easy to jam over this backing, but each time i added "not allowed" notes.

 Pedja_Class_2_Arpeggios_wbt.mp3 ( 872.09K ) : 190
 Pedja_Class_2_Arpeggios_nbt.mp3 ( 825.29K ) : 139


I will try to do another take if there is still some time left.

Posted by: Pedja Simovic Mar 20 2009, 12:47 AM

Cool take Andy, this works However you know what I will say right ? Do more takes if you want to, always good thing as you can learn from each take you do about your style and correct things you don't like.

Posted by: wrk Mar 20 2009, 01:05 AM

I should practice this approach much more. This collab helps a lot to finally sit down and just do it. It's really rewarding to be more aware of what i play ..

If i come up with another take i will for sure upload it. Thanks Pedja

Posted by: Pedja Simovic Mar 20 2009, 01:16 AM

I couldn't agree more with you Andy. Very rewarding and at the same thing ear developing I hope for most members. If you do it long enough ear will pick up root in melody, 3rd, 5th etc , which is whole other topic

I am in GMC chat right now, sorry for not responding right away

Posted by: Sergio Dorado Mar 20 2009, 12:25 PM

Hi Pedja! Here is my take
 Arpeggios_collab_no_BT.mp3 ( 565.33K ) : 145
 Arpeggios_collab_BT.mp3 ( 565.33K ) : 177

Posted by: Pedja Simovic Mar 20 2009, 01:09 PM

Hi Sergio,

For this in class type collaboration I am just asking for arpeggios/chord tones that follow the actual chord progression. I heard various tensions on G7 and a lot of superimposing on other chords, therefore I can't accept this take for final mix.
Having said all this, musically speaking there is nothing wrong with this take, it just doesn't match the standards of what this collaboration is all about.
If you get the chance record a simpler take just by following arpeggios/chord tones of actual chord progression.

Thanks Sergio !

P.S. I know you can play more than that but right now its about playing less not more

Posted by: Sergio Dorado Mar 20 2009, 02:02 PM

Ok Pedja, I´m sorry. I understood the idea of chord tones and arpeggios, but i did´n t know that substitutions weren´t allowed (in this particular collab). I´ll try another take.

Posted by: Pedja Simovic Mar 20 2009, 04:15 PM

No problem Sergio. I am sorry if there was any misunderstanding. I look forward to your final take !

Posted by: Deleted Mar 20 2009, 08:18 PM

Here is my entry. Is nothing special, but I wanted to join do get some advises from you.

Posted by: Pedja Simovic Mar 20 2009, 08:30 PM

Cool but I think you missed to upload your take here

Posted by: big harry Mar 20 2009, 09:47 PM

ok here is my try
hope that this is what you are looking for, was very difficult for me to find because this area is completely new to me

its not really speedy runs but i like the melody and in my oppinion it fits great to the backing

some kind of funny sound like in the film "the clou" *hehehe*
hope you like it

Harry

Posted by: Pedja Simovic Mar 20 2009, 10:29 PM

Melodic take Harry but it has non chord tones. Again I am just looking for arpeggios and chord tones.

C maj7 = C E G B
A min7 = A C E G
D min7 = D F A C
G7 = G B D F
E min7 = E G B D

Posted by: JamesT Mar 21 2009, 02:52 AM

Here's my take Pedja.
Gotta say that this was a great exercise. I'm not terribly satisfied with my take though. I either recorded it too hot, or with too much gain. ...probably both for this style. Still, for the purposes of this lesson, I think I did ok to stay with the chord tones. Looking forward to your feedback. Thanks again for the focused topic. This is something I can keep working on and use forever in my solos. Please auto-sign me up for the next one!

 20090320_Pedja_Arpeggio_wBacking.mp3 ( 832.65K ) : 226

 20090320_Pedja_Arpeggio_noBacking.mp3 ( 832.65K ) : 166

Posted by: Outlaw2112 Mar 21 2009, 02:57 AM

very nice james...

Posted by: lcsdds Mar 21 2009, 03:59 AM

James.....You've really improved since I joined 7 months ago. Good job man and keep working!!

Posted by: JamesT Mar 21 2009, 04:57 AM

Thanks Guys!

Posted by: Pedja Simovic Mar 21 2009, 01:22 PM

Jim this was very well done take. It sounded very musical and you followed all the instructions.
If I had to be picky and pick a weak spot, it was the very ending when you were coming down over D min7 chord. At one point you played non chord note which is not good So if you get a chance to record it again but correct that one mistake, it would be absolutely perfect !
I am glad you enjoyed this focused topic. I totally agree with you, this is something you can put in your practice routine and work for a long time. The point is eventually to stop thinking of shapes and make music with it - which you did to most extent in your solo !
I will auto-sign you for next one no worries

Posted by: berko Mar 21 2009, 03:33 PM

Ok Pedja, here I come

This is my first rough approach, I kept it slow and laid back - but maybe a bit too laid back especially when listening to the other takes with overdrive, arpeggios and such. Maybe - to keep up with the majority of the takes - i will post another go at it.

I hope I understood the "voice leading" idea correctly because I tried to apply it a few times when switching chords.

It's a great backing, thanks for the opportunity

 chordtone_collab_berko_w_BT.mp3 ( 817.06K ) : 176

 chordtone_collab_berko_noBT.mp3 ( 817.06K ) : 145

Posted by: Pedja Simovic Mar 21 2009, 03:37 PM

Berko this was spot on !
You did everything I asked for regarding soloing approach.

On the side note, your phrasing is weak in some sections (sounds like you are ahead or behind changes) so thats something I would correct in next take.

Overall I won't grade you on phrasing but it would be nice to have everything in sync.
Very good work with arpeggios and chord tones, you also applied voice leading which was cool !

Thank you Berko

Posted by: berko Mar 21 2009, 04:00 PM

Yup, you're right about the phrasing, I still need to accommodate myself to such "slow" playing. At least I got used to my clean tone with lot's of dynamics and thus I could make the sound even. I know I could compress it but in my case it would ruin the tone.

I'm already mixing my tone for another take

Posted by: Pedja Simovic Mar 21 2009, 06:51 PM

Cool Berko, I am excited to hear next take. Just so you know, I can keep this take as it has everything I asked for. Everything else that you do will be extra work and will help you even further

Posted by: JamesT Mar 22 2009, 02:17 AM

Shoot, I did exactly the same thing on your first collab didn't I? Only this time it was the last two chords. Not sure why I ended up with a D7 chord instead of a Minor 7th, and then I followed with Dmin7 when it should have been G7. Ok, the fixed take is below. I spent so much time working to get the sweeps down (brand new to me), that I wasn't paying enough attention to what chords I was playing. Sorry about that.

Fixed take is below...

 20090321_Pedja_Arpeggio_wBacking.mp3 ( 807.55K ) : 168

 20090321_Pedja_Arpeggio_noBacking.mp3 ( 807.55K ) : 172

Posted by: Pedja Simovic Mar 22 2009, 02:25 AM

I just listened to it Jim...

The last two bars are D min7 and G7.

On your take I heard over D min7 two things : D min7 and G7 arpeggio.
It sounds like you are anticipating changes. This is great thing, but we are not looking for that right now

Listen to section from 0:29 - 0:31. Thats all supposed to be D min7 but you have G7 chord tones in there as well.
Let me know if you have any questions

Posted by: JamesT Mar 22 2009, 05:13 AM

I'll study it some more tomorrow. Maybe I've just been looking at this too long tonight, cause it's looking to me now like the first one was better.

Posted by: jdriver Mar 22 2009, 08:18 AM

I'm dying to hear what everyone is doing, but I don't dare listen until I have my own take recorded. I'm afraid I'll get confused! I listened to Pedja and Emir, and then started my own. My problem is I can't play fast enough to keep up with my concept! I'm glad we have until the 28th.

Posted by: Velvet Roger Mar 22 2009, 11:13 AM

Hi Pedja,

Here is my take. Sorry for all the delays, but it's a busy time currently

Cheers
Roger

Posted by: Velvet Roger Mar 22 2009, 09:49 PM

Hi Pedja,

After your PM, I decided to record another take to get rid of the arpeggio-chord-carrying-over effect (you know what I mean ). Also made a new sound for it.

Please let me know what you think?

Cheers
Roger

Posted by: Pedja Simovic Mar 22 2009, 10:46 PM

No worries. I can keep 2nd take if you can't do another one. That was just something that occurred in my ears that all



I am also dying to hear all the takes ! So far couple of really melodic takes, great job.
You have nothing to be afraid of, I am sure you will do great !



Roger thank you for doing 2nd take. This one is much better in terms of placing phrases on right spots and not carrying over bar line melodies. Sounds good, I can keep this one !
Thanks Roger

Posted by: Sergio Dorado Mar 22 2009, 11:36 PM

Hello Pedja! Here is my take
 Arpeggios_collab_bt.mp3 ( 884.72K ) : 211
 Arpeggios_collab_no_bt.mp3 ( 884.72K ) : 152

Posted by: Velvet Roger Mar 22 2009, 11:46 PM

Pfew , thanks!

Posted by: Pedja Simovic Mar 22 2009, 11:52 PM

Hi Sergio !
Thats it man, great stuff
Thanks a lot !



Hehe, no worries, didn't hurt that bad did it ?

Posted by: Velvet Roger Mar 22 2009, 11:55 PM

Nope, not at all, in fact I could try out immediately the stuff I learned at the afternoon workshop on guitar recording/mixing which I attended locally

Posted by: Pedja Simovic Mar 22 2009, 11:56 PM

Now thats what I call great work ! Theory and practical application combined give the best results always. Awesome Roger

Posted by: jdriver Mar 23 2009, 04:03 AM

Uh oh. What exactly does that mean, carrying over?

Posted by: Pedja Simovic Mar 23 2009, 04:24 AM

In most simple way possible it means that you still play Cmaj7 over A min7 , or A min7 over D min7 etc.
In Roger's first take you can hear that he starts phrases after beat 1, and he ends the arpeggio after the start of next chord !
So he was carrying over arpeggios

Posted by: Tolek Mar 23 2009, 04:55 PM

My take.



I hope you like the ending.

Posted by: Pedja Simovic Mar 23 2009, 04:58 PM

Nice take !
Sounds about 90% of what I am looking for
10 % was you playing tensions (like D note on A minor , thats tension 11 not a chord tone !) and you had some runs at the very end which were out as well.

Keep just chord tones Tolek and this will be very good !

Posted by: Tolek Mar 23 2009, 05:04 PM

I know this, but I couldn´t resist. Sorry! I could have done my homework perfectly, but I´m a rude guy!

Posted by: Pedja Simovic Mar 23 2009, 05:05 PM

Haha somehow I knew you were trying to trick my ear. Very hard to do by the way

Posted by: Tolek Mar 23 2009, 05:07 PM

Yeah, I guess. Since you´ve studied music and know a lot about it.

BTW, can you play that song now?

Posted by: Pedja Simovic Mar 23 2009, 05:10 PM

Yeah , you make it sound like I was born on planet Music or something

I will play some of it on MSN tomorrow or day after. Working on a new lesson right now

Posted by: Tolek Mar 23 2009, 05:12 PM

Now I can say the word that use often to me: crazy!


Great! I can´t wait for both!

Posted by: Marc_Maiden Mar 23 2009, 07:52 PM

im uploading my take tonight!


just wondering if some whammy tricks are ok? no harmonic diving or anything like that, just a little vibrato here and there

Posted by: Pedja Simovic Mar 23 2009, 09:56 PM

You are more than welcome to pull off your tricks
Make sure its all chord tones/arpeggios

Posted by: Tolek Mar 23 2009, 10:02 PM

Yes, otherwise Pedja is going to hear it without scruples!

Posted by: Outlaw2112 Mar 23 2009, 11:11 PM

heres my take from last night... Im glad i exported what i did in mp3 format... this is all i have to show for
3 hours of work, my computer froze and i lost the whole file i was working on. let me know if this isnt going to work,
and ill try to redo it by the deadline

anyway heres my take, nice collab

Posted by: Pedja Simovic Mar 23 2009, 11:17 PM

I checked it out !

It sounds like in some parts you follow the rules , in some you didn't.
Idea was to play over C maj7 = C maj7 arpeggio notes only; A min7 = A min7 arpeggio notes only etc. Besides arpeggio notes (playing in order) you could play chord tones, which is playing in non specific order.

What you and couple of guys did so far was you took all the arpeggio shapes I posted and you played certain non chord tones over certain chords. In your take I hear that all the time. In Tolek's take that was on couple of spots. Both are ok in terms of melodic approach , but they don't strictly follow the rule of the class which is solo only with chord tones/arpeggio over actual chords in the background.

Let me know if you need some help with this . I can tab out something tonight if that helps with simple chord tone solo etc

Posted by: Outlaw2112 Mar 23 2009, 11:20 PM

Sure some tabs would help me out then.. Ill redo it before the deadline

I stayed in the arpeggio shapes and made up licks that sounded good to me, but if you want something different im game to get it done

thanks

Posted by: Pedja Simovic Mar 23 2009, 11:52 PM

Awesome !

I will tab something out , in 30 minutes it should be here

Ok guys !

I just tabbed out extra solo for you.

Its very simple approach how to use both chord tones and arpeggios. You will also find in the same guitar pro file muted guitar track. Thats my actual first solo which is going to be published as lesson really soon I hope

Let me know if you have any questions. Analyze the notes I play , you will see that they are all in actual chords stated above staff lines !

Posted by: Outlaw2112 Mar 24 2009, 03:55 AM

thanks for the gp file pedja... ill redo my take

Posted by: Marc_Maiden Mar 24 2009, 04:03 AM

hey pedja! finally done!



i apologize if the quality is horrid, i still dont have a mic pre amp (which im going to pick up this weekend) so i had to turn the gain up!


gah ill be happy when my recording issues are worked out!

you are lucky though! i think emirs boogie collab got the worst of it from me

Posted by: lcsdds Mar 24 2009, 04:05 AM

Nothing gets by Master Pedja....don't even bother trying!! He is like a parent with eyes in the back of their head.

Posted by: Pedja Simovic Mar 24 2009, 04:32 AM

You welcome !
I will post 2 more solos tomorrow, that should hopefully help out a lot



Marc well done !
You followed and did everything I asked. I am not worried about sound quality, thats not being graded right now. There will be collabs with general and open playing but this is just topic oriented, and you did great man, well done.

Thank you for your take !



This is great 5:03 am joke for me that will put me to sleep nicely now

Posted by: jdriver Mar 24 2009, 06:15 AM

Here is my country-jazz take. This is about the best I can do, as I wrote before, my concept exceeds my playing ability.

 jdriver_arp_collab_BT.mp3 ( 839.5K ) : 191

 jdriver_arp_collab_NoBT.mp3 ( 839.5K ) : 165

Posted by: Pedja Simovic Mar 24 2009, 12:52 PM

Wonderful !
You got it all right, I have nothing to add to this right now, will talk more about it when final mix is published !

Posted by: Pedja Simovic Mar 24 2009, 04:47 PM

Guys I did 2 more solos for you. I am submitting here guitar pro file with total of 4 different guitar solos ! That should give you plenty ideas to work from I hope

Posted by: big harry Mar 24 2009, 09:42 PM

Hey Pedja

What do you think of this one ?
i tabbed something out and i hope you were looking for sthg like that, if yes then i will do this one
pls let me know

thx
Harry

Posted by: Pedja Simovic Mar 24 2009, 10:40 PM

Hey Harry,

I just checked out Guitar pro file. Looks perfect , all chord tones/arpeggios in there. Record it and submit it , you will be all set !

Great work !

Posted by: lcsdds Mar 24 2009, 11:13 PM

Here ya go Pedja. I'm gonna try and do another take before the deadline...we'll see. Definitely not a Jazz guy,

Posted by: Pedja Simovic Mar 24 2009, 11:19 PM

Thanks Monte. This definitely meets the criteria of what I was looking for. Its entirely up to you now if you want to do extra takes. I can accept this as it is by the way.

Posted by: big harry Mar 25 2009, 07:37 AM

ok thx Pedja

Posted by: berko Mar 25 2009, 04:44 PM

Ok, here's my second take but I won't provide the track without the backing because I would like to stick to the first one - for various reasons:
1) the vibratos are to wide (Malmsteen collab influence )
2) the tone was still a bit too dry
3) I've just realized after listening to it again that in this one i didn't stick to the chord tones at some places (this is very audible at the very beginning, note C does not correspond to a G7 arpeggio etc)

anyway, i had fun with it!

 chordtone_collab_berko2.mp3 ( 817.06K ) : 142

Posted by: Pedja Simovic Mar 25 2009, 04:48 PM

You are right Berko, I would definitely stick with your 1st take as well. I don't find it wrong playing with distortion here, that could work, I am more concerned about chord tones/arpeggios happening before or after they need to happen. You had a lot of anticipating in your solo (starting arpeggio before the actual chord changes or staying with it after it changes etc), so that produced non chord tones naturally.

I am glad you had fun with it ! 3 more days, record 50 more takes if you want

Posted by: Outlaw2112 Mar 26 2009, 02:39 AM

Redid everything... hopefully this fits in ok, let me know if its not right

thanks for all the help pedja

Posted by: Pedja Simovic Mar 26 2009, 02:54 AM

I listened to it twice just to double check if my ear is wrong or not

Overall it was awesome work 98 % perfect !

Two things that you can correct if you feel like recording it again (important things otherwise I wouldn't mention them).

When you went from E min7 to A min7 chord, your E min7 arpeggio went a bit into A min7 chord. So you played B and then D note there which are both non chord tones. In next take you can try to eliminate those two notes or just put them in E min7 bar and when A min7 chord comes, play Amin7 chord tones like you did before which was awesome

Second thing was right after you had E min7, Amin7 , there was D min7 chord and then G7 chord.
What you did there was over D min7 chord and G7 chord you played G7 chord tones trough out.
The G note at the beginning over D min7 chord gave it away - its non chord tone. There you could have played D F A or C note since those are chord tones of D min7.


Thats it, those are two spots that had those mistakes. I think this take is far better then first one. As I said its 98% perfect because everywhere else you played chord tones or arpeggio. Quite an improvement for couple of days space - if that !

So now its up to you - 2 more days until deadline. I really suggest recording this take again , or even better go into this project where you have this track saved, erase 4 bars from( Emin7, A min7, Dmin7, G7) and record just that section again ! Glue it together, export the track with and without backing and you are all set.

That should take you far less time then going from beginning but as I said its up to you.

It was pleasure to help, I am happy when I can help around so never hesitate to ask !

Thanks

Posted by: Outlaw2112 Mar 26 2009, 03:00 AM

ok ill work on fixing that...
thanks for all the comments and gp files, youve been a big help

Posted by: Pedja Simovic Mar 26 2009, 03:03 AM

Awesome ! Very excited to hear that I don't want you to feel like I am picking on you, you know? I am very happy with your progress from first take to second one. Improvement is very obvious. I just fell this extra effort will bring it to 100% and then in final comment I have nothing bad to tell you

If you need more gp files just let me know !

Posted by: Outlaw2112 Mar 26 2009, 03:08 AM

I dont feel like youre picking on me, its actually the opposite im happy for all the help and honesty...

Posted by: Pedja Simovic Mar 26 2009, 03:11 AM

I am very happy to hear that

I hope lesson will be published before actual collaboration closes, so you can check out spoken video there for more info

Posted by: Outlaw2112 Mar 26 2009, 03:43 AM

heres my new take, changed a couple of notes

Posted by: Pedja Simovic Mar 26 2009, 03:47 AM

1st mistake was corrected - well done !

D min7 to G7 has only one mistake. You played over D min7 A D F G F. Instead of G put A note (or just dont play that G note) and you are 100% there

Posted by: Outlaw2112 Mar 26 2009, 04:06 AM

took out the G on this one... this is a fun collab, i had alot more fun doing this one than i thought i would..

Posted by: Outlaw2112 Mar 26 2009, 05:01 AM

I would love to have a chart with all the arpeggio/chord tones on it, like you have here except for all of them...

Do you know where i could find them?

Posted by: lcsdds Mar 26 2009, 05:10 AM

Learn the names of the notes on the neck.....Learn the basic shapes of the triads/arpeggios from the root position....figure them out for yourself. This would be most beneficial for you. Pedja gave us a link to a site that will help you with the names of the notes on the neck. Here it is:

http://musictheory.net/trainers/html/id81_en.html

I do this everyday until I get 50 of them correct. After a few weeks it is very easy to know the names of the notes on the neck.....give it a shot John!!

Posted by: Outlaw2112 Mar 26 2009, 05:15 AM

Im on it... this is something i can do when im talking / listening to my girlfriend on the phone.

Posted by: Marek Rojewski Mar 26 2009, 11:12 AM

Here is my take, I changed it a bit after talking with Pedja, I must say that it sounded much better for me when it was played "wrong" than now Anyway..

 collab.mp3 ( 540.6K ) : 188

 collab_wobt.mp3 ( 540.6K ) : 133

Posted by: Pedja Simovic Mar 26 2009, 02:03 PM

Marek well done, it sounds spot on !
I will put you on completed list now



Glad you are having fun with it

In this one 1st mistake is there (Emin7 to Amin7) but 2nd mistake you somewhat corrected (you played just before beat 1 B note ). Your run went like A D F D F B (F). You can put C instead of B note for example and after that when G7 starts play B F . It will produce same kind of resolution.
E min7 to A min7 sounds like your second take - there are notes on E min7 arpeggio extending into A min7...


So far your previous take is the best one



Monte already advised you to check out MusicTheory web site.
The graphs I posted for this collaboration were created using Scale Tool software. It is very easy to use it and is free of course

Go to this website and download http://www.scaletool.com/

Let me know if you need help with it !

Posted by: Paiva Mar 26 2009, 04:59 PM

Hey Pedja

Here is my take


 Chord_tone_collaboration.mp3.mp3 ( 564.11K ) : 165


 Chord_tone_collaborationnb.mp3 ( 564.51K ) : 132

Posted by: big harry Mar 26 2009, 09:27 PM

Hey Pedja

I am not sure if you can use this but i shot cubase again and so i needed to change to reaper but there i cannot export as mp3 and i only could export the guitar without BT
i hope you can use this otherwise i need to quit cause i need to reinstall the whole system again and that will take some time tomorrow.

really hope you can use this, if not let me know then i will try to get it done till saturday but i cannot promise

cya
Harry

Posted by: Pedja Simovic Mar 26 2009, 09:45 PM

Hey Paiva !

I checked out your take. There are non chord tones in it. I suggest you record another one and correct this, or I will write about that in comments for you



Harry this is great !
Well done !

I don't need with actual backing track - somehow I will mix this

Sorry to hear about cubase, try Nuendo next time

Posted by: Canis Mar 26 2009, 10:09 PM

Here's my take. I'm not entirely pleased, but I hope I'll get better with time...

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 Canis_Arpeggio_Collab_no_bt.mp3 ( 820.41K ) : 189

Posted by: Pedja Simovic Mar 26 2009, 10:14 PM

Just heard it Canis
Great work !
I will put you down on recorded list !

Posted by: Canis Mar 26 2009, 10:17 PM

So I actually did it pretty much correct?
Not bad xD

Awaiting Comment of Judgement in a few days

Posted by: Tjchep Mar 26 2009, 10:19 PM

Great BT!

Wish I could have spent more time on this though .

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tj

Ps. I never signed up, but consider me signed up now if you have spots!

Posted by: Pedja Simovic Mar 26 2009, 10:24 PM

Yes You did everything I asked for regarding chord tones and arpeggios. I am happy that you didn't play into other chords (like playing A min7 arpeggio into D min7 and things like that), but also you were using a lot of repetition which kept solo together trough out.
Well done Canis



Hey Tj !

This is very melodic take, I like your phrasing here. The thing about it is you didn't follow rules to use just chord tones and arpeggios.
I can accept it , but in final comments I will have to fail you you know
If you have time, go to first page, you will see graphs I posted as well as guitar pro file with 4 different solos in it. That should help you do a take on just chord tones and arpeggios over it.
In the meanwhile , for what its worth, this was nicely done and approached

I will sign you up if you are still up for it

Posted by: Dexxter Mar 26 2009, 10:58 PM

Here's my take Pedja

Updated!:
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[attachment=14668:chordton...xxter_NB.mp3]

Posted by: Pedja Simovic Mar 26 2009, 11:25 PM

Dexxter almost 100% perfect ! Really nice ideas, and skips I liked it.

Check out Emin7 Amin7 Dmin7 G7 section.

Over G7 last note you played was E which is non chord tone.
If you want to correct that, go ahead, otherwise everything else is great !

Posted by: Tjchep Mar 26 2009, 11:26 PM

[quote name='Pedja Simovic' date='Mar 26 2009, 10:24 PM' post='359810'}

Hey Tj !

This is very melodic take, I like your phrasing here. The thing about it is you didn't follow rules to use just chord tones and arpeggios.
I can accept it , but in final comments I will have to fail you you know
If you have time, go to first page, you will see graphs I posted as well as guitar pro file with 4 different solos in it. That should help you do a take on just chord tones and arpeggios over it.
In the meanwhile , for what its worth, this was nicely done and approached

I will sign you up if you are still up for it
[/quote]

So no "Color tones" ?

Strictly chord tones? Shouldn't bee too hard, I'll do another take when I get home from Rehearsals.

Posted by: Pedja Simovic Mar 26 2009, 11:28 PM

No scale runs nor outside notes correct.
I hope it won't be too hard Look forward to it man

Posted by: big harry Mar 27 2009, 07:28 AM

thx Pedja
great to hear and i got Cubase running again without installing everything new *hehehe*
took me only 3 hours or so *pfffffff*

looking forward to the next collab

cya
Harry

Posted by: Pedja Simovic Mar 27 2009, 03:56 PM

Thats great to hear Harry

Deadline is tomorrow so try to submit something by then

Posted by: big harry Mar 27 2009, 07:22 PM

did you think i will wait till tomorrow ?
so here it is now in standard quality as wanted
hope its ok now man

cya
Harry

Posted by: enforcer Mar 27 2009, 08:03 PM

Here is my take pedja, I had a gate disaster and I coudnt undo it you can notice its effects on dry take, but I think It is unnoticeable on the whole mix. I had absolutely no time to retake it, but hope you like it.

Posted by: Pedja Simovic Mar 27 2009, 09:17 PM

Harry this was almost perfect !
When you had D min7 to G , you anticipated at the end of beat 4 with B note over D min 7 , which is non chord tone in D min7 but is chord tone in G. So thats the only minus in the whole solo. Everything else was great.



Can this was solid take but like in others, this one had some non chord tones. One thing worth correcting would be D min7 going to G7 before heading to E min7 section. Over D min7 you played non chord tones. Try to correct that, if you have time to submit another take that would be great.

Thanks !

Posted by: Dexxter Mar 28 2009, 12:26 AM

Hey Pedja, I've updated my previous post, 100% chord tones now?

Posted by: Pedja Simovic Mar 28 2009, 12:28 AM

Sounds good Dexxter !
Thank you man, I will put you on Recorder list now

Posted by: enforcer Mar 28 2009, 10:15 AM

Hmm I think I played Dmajmin7 over that part just lots of hurry I guess... It is impossible for me to remake it until monday, and I dont have guts to ask for a second extension for the deadline, but if you extend it a little bit more I'll take care of it...

Posted by: Pedja Simovic Mar 28 2009, 10:16 AM

I extended it until tomorrow. I really should mix and publish everything by 1st of April . Hopefully you can do it by tomorrow ?

Posted by: Outlaw2112 Mar 28 2009, 05:41 PM

Back for another round pedja.. I was looking at the wrong chord chart on one part of that last take, hope this one is better

Posted by: enforcer Mar 28 2009, 06:22 PM

I'll try may best bro

Posted by: kaznie_NL Mar 28 2009, 07:29 PM

In time!! Haha, here's my humble take!

Posted by: Paiva Mar 28 2009, 08:16 PM

Hey again Pedja here is my corrected take sry for the untunned part


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Posted by: Pedja Simovic Mar 29 2009, 01:26 AM

Thanks Kaz !
I will comment it when final mix is published



Hey Paiva, thank you very much. I will also comment this when final mix is published

Posted by: Sami Mar 29 2009, 05:04 AM

Heres my take! i hope its all alright ahah


EDIT: the upload system is giving me troubles! ill try later

Posted by: sted Mar 29 2009, 12:30 PM

This was hard man, its very basic but i did learn a lot about strong tones in scales and the chord tones so worth giving a shot I think.

Apologies for my tardiness Pedja!!

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 chord_tone_collab_no_BT.mp3 ( 533.47K ) : 216

Posted by: Pedja Simovic Mar 29 2009, 02:01 PM

Cool Sami I look forward to it !



It sounds good, there were parts where you played non chord tones in the solo, I will discuss it after final mix is done
Thank you for doing it, I am sure you learned something here since it was hard one to do !

Posted by: Outlaw2112 Mar 29 2009, 02:28 PM

page 6 at the bottom..

I made a whole new lick for the problem area

Posted by: Pedja Simovic Mar 29 2009, 02:35 PM

This one is great job ! I will keep it for final mix. Thank you John !

Posted by: Outlaw2112 Mar 29 2009, 02:39 PM

for real?

thank you for all the help and guidance

Im looking forward to your next collab, i learned alot from this one and will
be participating in your future collabs

thanks pedja

Posted by: Pedja Simovic Mar 29 2009, 03:31 PM

For real

Glad you did John, it was pleasure to have you in this one !
Final comments and mix in couple of days