Need A Chunkier Tone :( Options

[verciazghra]

Hi! I'm working on a song now that sounds like this:
https://soundcloud.com/zaghara/guitars-test/s-bvf7s

I'm not happy with the lead guitar sound. I want it to sound like this :


Discussion and help is greatly appreciated. Also the rhythm guitars... should I try to make them fatter or will that happen by itself when I add a bass?

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This post has been edited by verciazghra: Jun 10 2019, 03:52 PM

[verciazghra]

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if you do use a panned dual path, it can help to use different cabs/mics/amp heads and different placement of the mics on the cabs. Anything to prevent the overlap that causes cancellation. Even with a hard pan.

Also, I'm sure you know this, harmonized bits do better with a pinch less gain in many cases. The gain structure starts compressing the signal and the harmony gets a bit squashed after that an cancellation. So reducing gain and using two tonally different rigs can help.

Yeah I bet I can check it with a phase issue plugin though.
I was instinctively planning on having the harmonized bits very low in the mix and with less gain.

As you still using Overloud?

I don't use Overloud anymore unfortunately. I found it to be too harsh in tone and really hard to tame for more fusion like tones which are the ones I like the most.

I like the track you shared I Hear the harmony with a keyboard I think? or highly processed guitar. The mid/upper mid will thin out if your not careful, but if you want it to thin out, be more 8 bit, just add more gain, use similar rigs in two paths etc. The opposite of the first bit of advice.

You're too kind! Thanks a lot! There's a doubling of the guitar part with a synthesizer and it was just a placeholder patch, I've tweaked it slightly now so it doesn't interfere with the presence of the guitar.

Amazing music as always, vercia - you rock!!

Thank you so much! It makes me very happy that you enjoy it.

I think you have cut away low end on the wrong place. The reference track lacks most of the boomy bottom end but then has very defined low midrange. Then it also has shimmer on top (try a treble booster / "presence") and quite some treble as well. Your tone sounds a bit scooped which might make playing feel easier but does not work well in the mix.

I tried to fix this and add a lot more treble. The amp model I was using,5150, barely reacted with tonal changes on treble or presence settings so I swapped it for a marshall type amp. I still don't know if I think the Ys tone sounds THAT MUCH like Yngwie's I feel like it's a lot rounder, almost like a mix between a violin and a saxophone. While I always think of Yngwie's tone as having a bit more bite and grit almost exactly like a violin/viola.

The video also helped a bit in finding some different angles to look at. It's still not done by a long way but here's how it sounds now and a video of me showing what I ended up with(so far).

This song is for a musicweekly think that I'm collaborating with another guy and the deadline is friday night, so I only have 2 days to figure out if I want to write more parts, if I want to do any more recording and then how much time I'll have mixing it.

Here's a status update. Feel free to come with more tips(except for the rhythm guitar on the second part which needs a redoing but I've been working for too long on it now and need to rest).

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This post has been edited by verciazghra: Jun 13 2019, 01:42 AM

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I tried to fix this and add a lot more treble. The amp model I was using,5150, barely reacted with tonal changes on treble or presence settings so I swapped it for a marshall type amp. I still don't know if I think the Ys tone sounds THAT MUCH like Yngwie's I feel like it's a lot rounder, almost like a mix between a violin and a saxophone. While I always think of Yngwie's tone as having a bit more bite and grit almost exactly like a violin/viola.

Your output settings ( lower right ) look like they are still off . These really affect the tone

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[verciazghra]

Your output settings ( lower right ) look like they are still off . These really affect the tone

Is that why it keeps jumping around instead of showing a steady signal?

Should it be like this?



At least this did something to the tone.. I think it sounds about 20% better from just that.

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This post has been edited by verciazghra: Jun 13 2019, 02:08 AM

[jstcrsn]

Is that why it keeps jumping around instead of showing a steady signal?

Should it be like this?

At least this did something to the tone.. I think it sounds about 20% better from just that.

there is an on/of switch that is like a combination of both amps EQ section ,right next bass, trble , mid and presence control , lower right . Once you turn it on those control are real sensitve , it still looks like it is off . When you turn it in you will have to keep an eye on clipping

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Hm okay finally understood what you meant..... My brain is bad. Either it sounds better now or my ears are falling off from too much of the same sonic frequencies without a break....

This was what you meant...

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This post has been edited by verciazghra: Jun 13 2019, 03:10 AM