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Dec 7 2008, 12:54 AM |
Well, I guess it would be helpful to sit down and listen to a song... Not just hearing what's beeing played, but really listening to it, analyzing it, hearing what makes the song what it is.. Everytihng from beats between symbals to when something increases in tempo or intensity. Then trying to make a replica of your favourite song and learning from that. Then taking what you've learned into something you've created on your own.
Maybe not exactly what you asked about, but it has worked really good for me when it comes to building up songs =) -------------------- GMC is not just a website... It's a lifestyle!
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Dec 7 2008, 04:42 PM |
Steve do you know your theory well? Knowing the theory is crucial for composing good songs, and so is analyzing other song material that you like using theory.
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Dec 7 2008, 05:07 PM |
I recommend you get some arranging books from Berklee press . They have really cool material on everything you mentioned!
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Dec 7 2008, 05:15 PM |
Ivan: Test me
Pedja: Cheers for the resource suggestion, i'll look into that |
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Dec 7 2008, 05:26 PM |
One may think people just have it in them and songs are just there for them, but mind that there are "forumlas" on how to make a song. Pop forumlas, rock forumas etc. Maybe you noticed that songs may come as radio- and floor versions, that's because the different formats make better for different occacions.
Nothing come random, grabbed out of thin air and whoops... it's a hit. I recall an old song, don't remember if the group was named Edelweiss or if it was the band. What they claimed what that the broke down these forumlas and decided to make a pop song that would be a hit. And they did. A very corny song but it worked. So what I suggest is that you pick a few songs from your genre. Listen to all of them and type out the forumlas like: Intro 8 bars verse x bars chorus y bars verse bridge etc etc etc for each song. When you're don't there should be a pattern crystalized whch you could make use of yourself. Then you'd have a guide to keep the ideas inside of. Hope that gives you some ideas. -------------------- My bands homepage
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Dec 15 2008, 10:56 AM |
Hi guys. I still get a lot of trouble trying to arrange stuff. Even now after trying for a long time i still haven't managed to create even 1 song. I guess i'm just never happy with what it turns out. I can write riffs that i like but i can't ever seem to get from one riff to another that sounds decent enough and in the end i don't use those riffs. Any ideas on how i can improve this? Also, i guess it kind of relates to guitar but i'm interested in creating soundtracks for picture, movies, games etc not professionally, well not yet of cours or anything but would just like to have a go and i have some software in the form of VST which wasn't too expensive to get me startd but i'm not sure what i really need to learn to do this. Does anyone know anything about it or any kind of resource that i can use to learn or any theory stuff? I know i've got to learn about harmonies which i'm onto but aside from that i'm not sure. I know the roles of like the string section, the brass section, woodwin and percussion and how it laid out etc and how for example you can spread a chord over the entire string section not just 1 instrument but apart from that i can't really develop a tune. Cheers I got the same problem as you i can create riffs but i cant put them togheter in an interesting way....... I think the easiest way is to play and try different things and write down and record what you play and then when you find something you like you can write it down togheter with the other things you have written(I use guitar pro for this). As for the other question i have a vst called edirol orchestra and it is a really good software for creating film soundtrack... I use it in Fruity Loop studio but i havent really learned to use it good yet but it is a vary neat software.... -------------------- My Gear
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Dec 15 2008, 11:03 AM |
Unless you want to reinvent gunpowder, the easiest way to see connections in riffs is to acquire theory knowledge. Learn about scales and harmonies, and it'll be alot easier to grasp. The one thing i never took the time to learn..... -------------------- My Gear
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Dec 15 2008, 11:54 AM |
The one thing i never took the time to learn..... I hope you just got your motivation then. |
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Dec 15 2008, 10:38 PM |
Ivan: Test me I can't test you mate, but can suggest some theory reading about harmony in general. Knowing chord progressions is important in song development, so you can start from there. -------------------- - Ivan's Video Chat Lesson Notes HERE
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Dec 19 2008, 10:22 PM |
I agree with Zynex , cool advices
This post has been edited by Pedja Simovic: Dec 19 2008, 10:23 PM |
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