Vai Meets Slash Collab!, It's time to rock again |
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Jun 14 2021, 12:58 PM
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Hey GMC!
I have been working with Ken behind the scenes to come up with a new collab concept! We wanted to make sure there was something in it for everybody - so we ended up with a track I would describe as Vai-meets-Slash-meets-GMC 🤘😅 
Vai_meets_Slash_collab.mp3 ( 2.16MB )
Number of downloads: 413The idea is that we record over whichever section(s) we like. I will then mix it all together and try to add some vocals as well. Here are the sections: 00:02 - 00:23 C Lydian 00:24-00:44 C - Ab - F (power chords) - try C minor pentatonic, C aeolian 00:44 - 01:04 Abmaj7 - Gm7 - Cm11 - F9 - try C minor pentatonic, C Dorian, C aeolian Tempo: 92 bpm * For best results, please send me your guitar only file without any reverb or delay * To facilitate my mixing, please send me your track starting from "point 0" (ie from the first count-in) Looking forward to hear what you think! ----- >>Listen to the FINAL RESULT! Be sure to listen to it in the GMC Radio Player as well. This post has been edited by Kristofer Dahl: Aug 27 2021, 09:59 AM |
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Jun 14 2021, 08:00 PM
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I'll have a go but I can't think of how to combine a Slash and Vai vibe
-------------------- SEE MY GMC CERTIFICATE  “Success is not obtained overnight. It comes in instalments; you get a little bit today, a little bit tomorrow until the whole package is given out. The day you procrastinate, you lose that day's success.” Israelmore Ayivor |
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Jun 14 2021, 08:08 PM
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The chords for the second mellow (Vai) part are Abmaj7 - G7#9 - Cm11 - F9.
*That's my editing mistake as I originally wrote it in another key but named the chords wrong when I sent it to Kris. @Phil66 ... the two parts are separate. You don't have to play like either of those guys. I won't be. This post has been edited by klasaine: Jun 14 2021, 08:11 PM -------------------- - Ken Lasaine
https://soundcloud.com/klasaine2/foolin-the-clouds https://soundcloud.com/klasaine2/surfin-at-the-country-hop Soundcloud assorted ... https://soundcloud.com/klasaine3 New record ... http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/kenlasaine Solo Guitar ... https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXZh...5iIdO2tpgtj25Ke Stuff I'm on ... https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXZh...b-dhb-4B0KgRY-d |
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Jun 14 2021, 09:04 PM
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Okay, here are a couple of ideas. Any advice on how to develop them would be great thanks. I know the second half of the middle take needs a lot more notes but I ran out of ideas. I can work on that tomorrow. I just want to know if I should bin them and start again or not?
If you can use them Kris, I can send the files you need. https://soundcloud.com/gmcphil-1/vai-meets-slash-intro-take-1 https://soundcloud.com/gmcphil-1/vai-meets-slash-middle-take-1 Cheers -------------------- SEE MY GMC CERTIFICATE “Success is not obtained overnight. It comes in instalments; you get a little bit today, a little bit tomorrow until the whole package is given out. The day you procrastinate, you lose that day's success.” Israelmore Ayivor |
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Jun 14 2021, 09:22 PM
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QUOTE (Mertay @ Jun 14 2021, 12:55 PM)  The second parts second chord might be a bit tricky...I started noodling without giving a full listen, at the first chord of the second part I was like "cool I got this" and then the second chord gave me a brain freeze  When you say 'second part' which progression are you referring to? The Lydian section ... Cmaj7#11 - Bm7 The power chords ... C5 - Ab5 - F5 The 'soul' section ... Abmaj7 - G7#9 - Cm11 - F9 -------------------- - Ken Lasaine
https://soundcloud.com/klasaine2/foolin-the-clouds https://soundcloud.com/klasaine2/surfin-at-the-country-hop Soundcloud assorted ... https://soundcloud.com/klasaine3 New record ... http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/kenlasaine Solo Guitar ... https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXZh...5iIdO2tpgtj25Ke Stuff I'm on ... https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXZh...b-dhb-4B0KgRY-d |
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Jun 14 2021, 11:19 PM
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QUOTE (Mertay @ Jun 14 2021, 02:01 PM) 26th second, I hear it as a Abmaj Yeah, the Ab. I figured that's what you were talking about but I just wanted to make sure. It's still part of C minor - the VI chord. Minor penta and blues works perfectly over it. *There are no 3rds in any of those power chords unless a partial popped out by itself. -------------------- - Ken Lasaine
https://soundcloud.com/klasaine2/foolin-the-clouds https://soundcloud.com/klasaine2/surfin-at-the-country-hop Soundcloud assorted ... https://soundcloud.com/klasaine3 New record ... http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/kenlasaine Solo Guitar ... https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXZh...5iIdO2tpgtj25Ke Stuff I'm on ... https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXZh...b-dhb-4B0KgRY-d |
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Jun 15 2021, 02:42 AM
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Super Awesome! Count me in!!!
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Jun 15 2021, 09:52 AM
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QUOTE (Phil66 @ Jun 14 2021, 10:04 PM) Okay, here are a couple of ideas. Any advice on how to develop them would be great thanks. I know the second half of the middle take needs a lot more notes but I ran out of ideas. I can work on that tomorrow. I just want to know if I should bin them and start again or not? If you can use them Kris, I can send the files you need. https://soundcloud.com/gmcphil-1/vai-meets-slash-intro-take-1 https://soundcloud.com/gmcphil-1/vai-meets-slash-middle-take-1 Cheers Thanks Phil, These takes are musical to my ears and you can def use them as they are or as a foundation for something more elaborate. My thoughts "Vai Meets Slash Intro Take 1" This take is structured as call and response, however the response (ie 00:10) follows pretty much the same structure as the "call" part. Why not change direction (ie if you start ascending then descend in your response) - OR if you want to keep the same melodic movement create a slight variation in rhythm. You could also apply both of these suggestions - and then it might sound less like call and response, if you stray too much from the original idea. This is really not a problem though, as the concept of "call and response" is really just a creative tool. So if the cretaivity is there anyway, there is no need to think in terms of "call and response". On a general note this take sounds scalar - that's fine but if you want to get more innovative try disrupting the even rhythmic flow and/or throw in some wider intervals. My thoughts "Vai Meets Slash Middle Take 1" You are onto something here: QUOTE I know the second half of the middle take needs a lot more notes but I ran out of ideas. You don't necessarily need more notes, however it is correct that from a musical perspective - we sort of expect this lead to go towards a climax. However countless guitarists have achieved this without playing fast or adding many notes. For example you can get more intense by adding a more intense vibrato, a more daring note choice - or maybe bend from a note that is outside of the key / ie sounds wrong. Anything unexpected that ads intensity is good: you could start slidding like a madman, add the toggle / killswitch effect / throw in a wah-wah / change sound patch / double stops / add tremolo picking close to the bridge etc etc |
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Jun 15 2021, 10:20 AM
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There is some slight amount of "analog" noise going on there, I have exported the drum beat only so you can hear it more clearly. Is this what you are reacting on perhaps?
noise.mp3 ( 127.67K )
Number of downloads: 275 |
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Jun 15 2021, 12:34 PM
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QUOTE (Kristofer Dahl @ Jun 15 2021, 09:52 AM) Thanks Phil, These takes are musical to my ears and you can def use them as they are or as a foundation for something more elaborate. My thoughts "Vai Meets Slash Intro Take 1" This take is structured as call and response, however the response (ie 00:10) follows pretty much the same structure as the "call" part. Why not change direction (ie if you start ascending then descend in your response) - OR if you want to keep the same melodic movement create a slight variation in rhythm. You could also apply both of these suggestions - and then it might sound less like call and response, if you stray too much from the original idea. This is really not a problem though, as the concept of "call and response" is really just a creative tool. So if the cretaivity is there anyway, there is no need to think in terms of "call and response". On a general note this take sounds scalar - that's fine but if you want to get more innovative try disrupting the even rhythmic flow and/or throw in some wider intervals. My thoughts "Vai Meets Slash Middle Take 1" You are onto something here: You don't necessarily need more notes, however it is correct that from a musical perspective - we sort of expect this lead to go towards a climax. However countless guitarists have achieved this without playing fast or adding many notes. For example you can get more intense by adding a more intense vibrato, a more daring note choice - or maybe bend from a note that is outside of the key / ie sounds wrong. Anything unexpected that ads intensity is good: you could start slidding like a madman, add the toggle / killswitch effect / throw in a wah-wah / change sound patch / double stops / add tremolo picking close to the bridge etc etc Thank you for your advice Kris, I'll pop those files on here for you so you can use them if you find a place and I'll work on some more. I'm quite pleased with the beginning of "Vai Meets Slash Middle" so I'll develop the part after the rhythmic playing. Cheers -------------------- SEE MY GMC CERTIFICATE “Success is not obtained overnight. It comes in instalments; you get a little bit today, a little bit tomorrow until the whole package is given out. The day you procrastinate, you lose that day's success.” Israelmore Ayivor |
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Jun 15 2021, 12:35 PM
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Very nice.
I will try to participate if i have time left 👌 Grtz tim |
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Jun 15 2021, 12:35 PM
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QUOTE (Caelumamittendum @ Jun 15 2021, 10:46 AM) Yes, I suspect that is it (I've only listened to that last file on my phone). It's fair enough if intentional, but it sort of sticks out a lot to my ears as "unpleasent" and sort of something that made my ears go "is something wrong with my speakers? Is it something peaking?" I heard that too and thought exactly the same. I was checking levels everywhere. -------------------- SEE MY GMC CERTIFICATE “Success is not obtained overnight. It comes in instalments; you get a little bit today, a little bit tomorrow until the whole package is given out. The day you procrastinate, you lose that day's success.” Israelmore Ayivor |
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Jun 15 2021, 03:29 PM
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QUOTE (Kristofer Dahl @ Jun 15 2021, 02:20 AM) There is some slight amount of "analog" noise going on there, I have exported the drum beat only so you can hear it more clearly. Is this what you are reacting on perhaps?
noise.mp3 ( 127.67K )
Number of downloads: 275It's the "old vinyl" sound. Is it in the sample or did you add it? Can it be turned down a bit? -------------------- - Ken Lasaine
https://soundcloud.com/klasaine2/foolin-the-clouds https://soundcloud.com/klasaine2/surfin-at-the-country-hop Soundcloud assorted ... https://soundcloud.com/klasaine3 New record ... http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/kenlasaine Solo Guitar ... https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXZh...5iIdO2tpgtj25Ke Stuff I'm on ... https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXZh...b-dhb-4B0KgRY-d |
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