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Posted by: Wallimann Jul 24 2007, 04:03 PM

Hi everyone!
Here is my first attempt to start a collaboration.
This should be a great way for anyone involved to put into application your modal knowledge.

Here's how it works..
The song is in A and goes through all the modes in order:
A Ionian,
A Dorian,
A Phrygian,
A Lydian,
A Mixolydian,
A Aeolian,
A Locrian

Tempo is 100bpm.

Download the backing track, and record a lead over one of the modes you pick.
There are 8 bars for every mode. You'll hear a drum fill before each change. Start recording your lead at the begining of the bar you picked. Once all the leads are received I will mix everything together. Should be interesting!


I need 7 people to participate in this experience.
Post a reply to this thread stating which mode you want to solo over and if you want to do it with a clean sound, or distorted sound. (Once all 7 participants are there, we'll record with the sound that the majority picked)...

You can't pick a mode that's been already picked.
First one to post gets to pick first.

Once all the spots are taken, I'll let you know which sound to use (clean or distorted), so that we can have some kind of consistancy in the song...

The recording should be sent to me in mp3 format. I only want your guitar part without the backing track...

So there we go!

Please sign up only if you know you can record this... If you are not set up to record, don't worry.. More of these will follow I'm sure...

Posted by: Andrew Cockburn Jul 24 2007, 04:04 PM

Cool!

I pick Dorian, clean ...

Posted by: ezravdb Jul 24 2007, 07:07 PM

Sounds great!!

A Lydian for me please , distorted
I want to create a Satchy sound

Posted by: Andrew Cockburn Jul 24 2007, 09:13 PM

Been playing with the backing track, and discovered that I absolutely love Lydian .. wanna trade Ezra ???

Posted by: Robin Jul 24 2007, 10:19 PM

Lets say I pick Mixolydian, does it mean I can use the A minor pentatonic scale for instance, and mix it with some mixolydian, or only use mixolydian? This might be a silly question, i r st0pid

Posted by: Andrew Cockburn Jul 24 2007, 11:15 PM

Well, its modal, so use of minor pentatonic would kind of clash, so yes, I think you should use a mixolydian scale, but its Davids collaboration so he can rule definitively

Posted by: ezravdb Jul 25 2007, 12:05 AM

OK, how much?

kidding, hmmm Dorian...I'm not really familiar with it, but walliman's lessons should help me out I think.
Ok, I wanna trade. Because you are very helpful

Do we need permission of Walliman?

Posted by: Andrew Cockburn Jul 25 2007, 12:38 AM

Thanks Ezra, I'm sure Dave will be cool with it - theres still Ionian, Aeolian, Phrygian, Locrian and maybe Mixolydian to choose from if you don't like Dorian

Posted by: Nick325 Jul 25 2007, 12:50 AM

i would choose Ionian but i dont know how to record it and put it up on the site
and right now i dont have any recording stuff

Posted by: Andrew Cockburn Jul 25 2007, 01:00 AM

All you need is a PC and a sound card and a cable ...

Posted by: Nick325 Jul 25 2007, 01:01 AM

i have a pc but whats a sound card and what type of cable

Posted by: Andrew Cockburn Jul 25 2007, 01:09 AM

Does your PC make noises? Can you watch videos etc with sound? If so then you have a sound card.

You need a cable from your guitar to your soundcard and then you should be able to record - or you can by something like a Stealth plug which is a very simple interface designed for guitar.

http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/StealthPlug/

Posted by: Nick325 Jul 25 2007, 01:17 AM

ya i have a sound card

do u need certain program to record onto using the cable? i have audacity would that work

Posted by: Andrew Cockburn Jul 25 2007, 01:22 AM

Yes, Audacity would do it, but reaper might be more suitable for this project.

Posted by: Nick325 Jul 25 2007, 01:27 AM

ok i have that one too

andrew, have you had experience with this cable because the reviews are ok so if theres a better type of cable that does the same thing maybe i should get that one

Posted by: Andrew Cockburn Jul 25 2007, 01:37 AM

I never used the Stealth but its advantage is that it is very simple to set up and use. You can get a lot more complex, but this would be a great way to start.

Posted by: Nick325 Jul 25 2007, 01:38 AM

ok ill try and get it soon so i can post it ill let u no how it is when i get it

Posted by: Skorpyon Jul 25 2007, 01:44 AM

where or what program an cable for that matter do i need to plug in the guitar to the comp ?

Posted by: Nick325 Jul 25 2007, 01:46 AM

http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/StealthPlug/


i have the Ionian scale

Posted by: Wallimann Jul 25 2007, 04:05 AM

Even though A minor pentatonic would sound very cool on A mixolydian, let's keep this all modal.
If I were to play on mixolydian, I would definitally use some mix of minor pentatonic with the Mixo notes, but let's stick to the mode only because having rules will force us to play differently..
Great question though.
Are you in?

Posted by: Nick325 Jul 25 2007, 05:22 AM

david when willl we have to post what we composed? because i got a bunch of ideas but just got to put them together and i gotta go buy my recording cable which ill try and do tomorrow or the next day

Posted by: Wallimann Jul 25 2007, 03:14 PM

No problem...
Let's wait for all the modes to be taken, then I'll post the official participants list..
Don't record anything yet because I need to decide if this will be distortion or clean..
I'll go with the majority of your choices, just to have a more consistant lick...




Nick, you forgot to tell me if you want a clean or distorted sound...

Ok, so far 3 people have officially signed up...
Here's what we have:

Ionian : Nick 325
Dorian : Ezravdb
Lydian : Andrew Cockburn

That means we have 4 modes left:
Phrygian, Mixolydian (Robin, you wanna try that one?), Aeolian and Locrian...

We need you guys!

And don't worry, it doesn't need to be perfect.. It's just an exercise and is a god oportunity to improve.. :-)

Posted by: AliMo Jul 25 2007, 03:58 PM

Before I post I'd like to clarify 2 things. 1 being that I'm still a beginner and I'd like to try this and see how well I can do (even though I may embarrass myself ). And 2, my only means of recording is a small microphone I have sitting on my desktop. I have recorded with it before using the little recording software provided by windows and the sound is completely terrible. What I'd like to know is, should I get better recording software and still use my microphone? Will this help with the quality at all or is the software just better for editing and such?

And so in the event that someone understood me and my crappy mic can handle the job then I'll take Phrygian, distorted
And if you think my sound quality won't be good enough for this then thanks for the help and I'll get to work on finding a better way to record.

Posted by: MickeM Jul 25 2007, 04:03 PM

I'm signing up for Phrygian, distorted.


I don't know squat about modes. Andrew, can you post a link to appropriate theory lessons when all this get started, please? I could probably search for them but if you tell us it's the right ones for certain. Thanks.

EDIT: Phrygian got snatched right infront of me eyes. Rarrr. Make that Locrian for me then.

Posted by: Wallimann Jul 25 2007, 04:21 PM

Thanks for writing Alimo...
The only problem I see here is that teh mic you use will also pick up alll the other sounds in your room includingf the backing track..
It will not work since I will import all your leads into the main track and mix it...
Is there a way for you to plug your guitar directly into your computer?

Posted by: Andrew Cockburn Jul 25 2007, 04:24 PM

Locrian is brutal, but I'm sure you can handle it

I have a couple of lessons on modes here:

http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_forum/index.php?showtopic=3456
http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_forum/index.php?showtopic=5012

No scale diagrams yet though which is probably what you will need the most - I suggest you consult an online tool such as:

http://www.looknohands.com/chordhouse/guitar/index_rb.html

To give you the scale diagrams and notes.

Regards,

Andrew

P.S. I just re-read your sig with all the amp stuff in it, and for the first time instead of reading "blah blah blah blah" I understood it

Posted by: Nick325 Jul 25 2007, 04:31 PM

andrew since u suggested it to me or anyone else can answer to : which should i get for recording this, the stealth plug http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/StealthPlug/ or the line 6 toneport http://line6.com/toneport/

Posted by: Andrew Cockburn Jul 25 2007, 05:06 PM

Definate;y the toneport if you can afford it - a lot more versatile than the stealth.

Posted by: Nick325 Jul 25 2007, 05:07 PM

well that toneport is 70$ its not those 300$ ones

Posted by: MickeM Jul 25 2007, 05:10 PM

That's great, you're picking up on things (amp stuff things)


I'd go for the Toneport. Looks similar to what I got with my Guitarport and that works just fine.

Posted by: Nick325 Jul 25 2007, 05:17 PM

how much is the guitarport? does it do the same stuff as the toneport?

Posted by: Stratman58 Jul 25 2007, 05:18 PM

Uhm, where do I sign??
Seriously, any modes left that I could possibly do? Id like to do one in distorted guitar!

Posted by: MickeM Jul 25 2007, 05:23 PM

Aeolian is the only one left I think

Posted by: Stratman58 Jul 25 2007, 05:30 PM

ewwww Aeolian....

I'LL TAKE IT!

Posted by: Wallimann Jul 25 2007, 05:32 PM

This thread is getting confusing!
For the next one, I'll create one topic for signups only, and the other one for questions and discussions related to the collab...

So far, here's what I have:

Ionian : Nick325
Dorian: Ezravdb
Lydian: Andrew
Locrian: Mickey M

There is still Phrygian, Mixolydian and Aeolian...

The Phrygian is still available for signup since the mic thing won't work...

Posted by: Nick325 Jul 25 2007, 05:36 PM

MickieM: how much is the guitarport? does it do the same stuff as the toneport?

Posted by: Stratman58 Jul 25 2007, 05:43 PM

Well I certainly don't want to get shot, but ill take phrygian if no one else is.

Posted by: Nick325 Jul 25 2007, 06:01 PM

sry david i forgot to put what sound i want

i think ill go for distortion with the Ionian scale

Posted by: Wallimann Jul 25 2007, 06:42 PM

Great!
So I still need (I might have missed that in a previous post) Stratman58 and Mickey M's sound that they want to use...

There are 2 more open slots:

Mixolydian and Aeolian...

Any volonteers?

Once all the 7 spots are taken I'll give you further instructions...

Sorry if this is kind of confusing, but this is the first collab test, so it will get better eventually in the following ones!

Here's the list I have so far:

Ionian: Nick325 (distortion)
Dorian: Ezravdb (distortion)
Phrygian: Stratman58
Lydian: Andrew (clean)
Locrian: Mickey M

Posted by: MickeM Jul 25 2007, 07:23 PM

Distortion

Posted by: Stratman58 Jul 25 2007, 07:45 PM

Distortion as well.
Looks like Andrew is the only clean one among us

Posted by: Andrew Cockburn Jul 25 2007, 08:11 PM

I always was a clean living guy ... but I see how this is going, so I have been practicing distorted Lydian

Posted by: Tank Jul 25 2007, 08:17 PM

If mixo is still available, I'll have a go at it, I'm feeling brave. (I'll need to listen to the backing track though!).

Posted by: Wallimann Jul 25 2007, 09:11 PM

Ok, Tank is on the Mixo. Looks like we'll be using distortion sound on this one.
There's only one left!
The Aeolian is there, hurry while it lasts!

Funny, I though Aeolian would be the 1st one to go...

Posted by: jeff Jul 25 2007, 09:24 PM

OK - well, I'll give it a shot. A Aeolian right? To make sure I understand, we are supposed to jam in the scale that we are assigned to over the entire backing track and not just one part, make an MP3 of just our lead and no backing track and send it to you. right?







Sorry, now I understand about the back tracking. I'm in!

Posted by: Andrew Cockburn Jul 25 2007, 09:35 PM

Yeah, its just the 8 bars that match your assigned mode

Posted by: Kristofer Dahl Jul 25 2007, 10:27 PM

Awesome!! Can't wait to hear the result

Posted by: Andrew Cockburn Jul 25 2007, 10:34 PM

Ok, here's my bit - do I get a prize for being first????

Posted by: MickeM Jul 25 2007, 10:43 PM

Great playing and sound

Is that the new JEM? It's LOUD, one can not even hear Wallimanns backingtrack.

Posted by: Andrew Cockburn Jul 25 2007, 10:47 PM

Thanks - yes that's the Jem ... and if you put enough distortion on, anything sounds good



Its those high output pickups

Posted by: jeff Jul 25 2007, 11:07 PM

How did you do that so fast? I'm still at work and I need to go home and work with the backing track a little. What did I sign up for??

Posted by: Ryan Jul 25 2007, 11:25 PM

What kind of style is this?? Any styles? Or fusion, or what?

Posted by: Andrew Cockburn Jul 25 2007, 11:31 PM

Its a collaboration, so it will be the synergistic total of the sum parts ...

Meaning everyone can just play what they play best and it will all work out somehow!

Posted by: Ryan Jul 25 2007, 11:35 PM

Ohh cool. Im gonna have to learn Aolian quickly, and hopefully be able to join in on this colaberation

Wait Aolien is the Natural Minor scale.. Correct? I think it is

And isnt A Aolien just like the C Major scale?? Relative Minors right?

Posted by: Andrew Cockburn Jul 25 2007, 11:40 PM

Yes, but that's the wrong way to think of it ... you should really learn each mode individually and forget how they are related.

Aeolian is natural minor yes, and there is a lesson on it http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_forum/index.php?showtopic=5496.

Aeolian went already though, maybe if there is enough interest Dave will run another of these simultaneously ...

Posted by: Ryan Jul 25 2007, 11:57 PM

Well im just trying to piece some things together. Sorry.

Posted by: Wallimann Jul 26 2007, 12:36 AM

Ok guys.
All the spots are filled as follow:

Ionian: Nick 325
Dorian: Ezravdb
Phrygian: Stratman 58
Lydian: Andrew
Mixolydian: Tank
Aeolian: Jeff
Locrian: Mickey M

Record in distortion. Record your part only on the mode you picked.
The backing track goes through all 7 modes in order, so you should make sure you are playing over the correct segment of the backing track.
Once your lead recorded, post only your lead here. You want to make sure that only your guitar is heard, mno backing track.. That's why you need to have your guitar plugged directly in the computer. Listen to Andrew's take for an example...

Now I have a question.. I need to download Andrew's posted track on my computer to mix it with the rest of the song...

How do I do that?

Posted by: Andrew Cockburn Jul 26 2007, 12:38 AM

Using firefox, click on it, it will open the player, then file->save as should do it.

Actually, right click on the link and save as should also work, but you need to rename it as an mp3 file.

Posted by: Wallimann Jul 26 2007, 01:13 AM

Ok, somehow I changed my internet security settings and it wouldn't allow me to download. It's fixed now.
I'll mix all your leads as they come in...

Thanks!

Posted by: stratman33 Jul 26 2007, 01:20 AM

I would like to do it but i dont understand how to make songs out of 1 mode...

Posted by: Nick325 Jul 26 2007, 01:28 AM

i have a question how long should it be since theres 7 parts going all together

Posted by: Andrew Cockburn Jul 26 2007, 02:13 AM

Don't worry, this is only the first of many collaborations, maybe I'll do an easier one next, like 12 bar blues



Each person gets 8 bars, the 8 bars that relate to your mode - they are played one after the other in the track in this order:

Ionian
Dorian
Phrygian
Lydian
Mixolydian
Aeolian
Locrian

The finished song will just be the backing track as it is now, with 7 different solos mixed in every 8 bars.

If you are unsure about modes, check Daves latest lesson - its actually the same backing track, but he shows you the scales as you work through it.

So, you have Ionian, which is the same as the A major scale. Your part is the 8 bars starting right at the beginning after the lead in. When you get your software with your guitar port, you need to set the temp of the song to 100, then import the backing track - the bars should line up with the song and you can count the first 8 after the lead in.

Posted by: Nick325 Jul 26 2007, 03:44 AM

ok is it like a solo im writing and if it not exactly 8 bars is it ok?

o and andrew i went out tonight and got the line 6 toneport GX maybe i'll write a review on it sometime

Posted by: Stratman58 Jul 26 2007, 03:46 AM

Nick, yeah its a solo/lead man. Just use the mode you have chose. A good tip of when your "turn" is up is the drum fill at the end of the 8 bars

Posted by: Nick325 Jul 26 2007, 03:50 AM

i just have a question how do i get the backing in the recording part so i know how long the 8 bars are

im using the line 6 toneport GX

Posted by: Nick325 Jul 26 2007, 05:35 AM

ok so it took me an hour but i figured out that i had to use audiacty. how do i put backing tracks on there so as im recording i can hear the backing track

Posted by: Wallimann Jul 26 2007, 05:52 AM

I wish I could help but I'm not familiar with that software.
But I think there should be an option for you to import the backing track into the session and then create a new track for your solo.
When you post your lead on here, make sure it's the lead only (without hearing the backing in it..)

Posted by: jeff Jul 26 2007, 08:05 AM

Hi David,



I finished my lead - although I'm not making any claims about it because it's sloppy and not very good. Anyway, I assume that you don't want us to record blank noise with our solo's and you will paste them in the appropriate spots. Hope this works and it's what you had in mind. If not, go ahead and trash it and let someone else make one. I didn't spend much time on it. It's weird hearing it without the backing tracks. Sounds a lot worse!

Looking forward to hearing all of them.

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Posted by: MickeM Jul 26 2007, 09:59 AM

Oh, so NOW I realize that the backingtrack is in the first post. I was sitting and just waiting for it to get posted and was amazed how ppl were posting their parts already.

Posted by: MickeM Jul 26 2007, 11:11 AM

 Locrian_solo.wav ( 3.63MB ) : 188

Posted by: Andrew Cockburn Jul 26 2007, 01:46 PM

Nice guys - MickeM, you did pretty well with the Locrian - I just can't get my head around that one mode!

Posted by: ezravdb Jul 26 2007, 02:04 PM

Hey Wallimann

Here's my contribution:

Me, Satch, Malmsteen, Gilbert, Jazz, Shred, mix lol

Posted by: Andrew Cockburn Jul 26 2007, 02:40 PM

Nicely done Ezra

Posted by: Andrew Cockburn Jul 26 2007, 02:53 PM

Jeff, you've got a great tone going there - what's your setup?

Posted by: jeff Jul 26 2007, 03:06 PM

thanks. Its actually Lavendell's PODxt file! Played with a Paul Reed Smith and recorded with Reaper. I really like Reaper. It's so easy to use.







Sounds cool ezra! I can really tell how much you have improved!

Posted by: Andrew Cockburn Jul 26 2007, 03:10 PM

Really? Doesn't sound like that for me - must be the PRS and your playing skills

Does the PTS have humbuckers? I'll have a play with that again I think.

Posted by: ezravdb Jul 26 2007, 03:12 PM

I used Reaper too , and I'm definitely going to check out that Pod file of Lavendell

Thanks Andrew and Jeff

Posted by: Wallimann Jul 26 2007, 03:14 PM

Guys, this is excellent work.
I can't believe I already go half of the leads done!
I started mixing what I have and it sounds great.
Thanks! Looking forward for the rest!

I still need:

Ionian (Nick325)
Phrygian (Stratman58)
Mixolydian (Tank)

Great job!

Posted by: jeff Jul 26 2007, 03:19 PM

It does have humbuckers, but mine has a switch where I can use it single coil and that is what I did. I have tried it switched to humbuckers but it seemed to be a little too hot - too much distortion.

I am really out of practice though and I can tell. My scale is not as fluent as I would like and it seems that I may be picking the strings a little too hard or not muting them properly. But, I need to work on that!





By the way, that JEM sounds sweet!!!

Posted by: MickeM Jul 26 2007, 04:00 PM

Thanks, I was so puzzled when I started on it since it sound so aqward. But that's the fun part to try something I'd never try elsewise.

Posted by: Nick325 Jul 26 2007, 04:42 PM

i have a question

im using audacity to record my part and how do i get that backing track in so i can hear it when im playing

and how do i get a distortion sound if im recording from a usb to my toneport and then straight to my guitar

Posted by: Wallimann Jul 26 2007, 04:48 PM

I wish I could help but am not familiar with these..
Can anyone else help?

Posted by: Nick325 Jul 26 2007, 04:53 PM

well i have reaper too but not so how to work it but ill try if someone gives me help

Posted by: Stratman58 Jul 26 2007, 05:07 PM

In reaper, just do this.

1. Download Walliman's backing (first post, but you've already done this I think)

2. Open reaper -> new project

3. Press CTRL + T this will open a track for you to use. Drop Walliman's backing in that track.

4. CTRL + T again. This new track will be your guitar track. Select input whatever input you have plugged your guitar into your hardware (line 1-2 usually). If you get no signal, press CTRL+P (preferences) and go to devices. Select your recording hardware as the input/ouput.

Hope that wasn't too bad.

Wow, these leads are cool! I'll get mine in within a few hours.

Posted by: Nick325 Jul 26 2007, 05:38 PM

ok but how do i find wallimans backing track i know i listened to it but how did i download it and get it on there

Posted by: jeff Jul 26 2007, 05:40 PM

right click on it and select "save as" and then save it to your desktop or file somewhere. Did you decide to use Reaper?

Posted by: Nick325 Jul 26 2007, 05:51 PM

ya i am i just dont know how to get the distortion sound

Posted by: jeff Jul 26 2007, 06:00 PM

I assume that you are plugged straight into the sound card? If so, you will need to get distortion from your software via a plug-in. Is that correct?

Posted by: Nick325 Jul 26 2007, 06:10 PM

ya i tried plugged into my amp and then into my guitar but i get no sound so im looking for effects otherwise it sound like plan and i need distortion

Posted by: ezravdb Jul 26 2007, 06:17 PM

Dude you're born on the same day as me

Plugging your guitar in your amp is better I think, because plugging your amp in your guitar wont work

If you have 2 cabels you can plug your guitar in your amp then with your other cable plug the output from your amp in the Line-in or Mic-in from your PC. ( you need a jack converter to a 3.5 mm jack)
With Reaper set Audio Device as Windows or something like the audio driver from your PC is called.

If you have a headset make sure you aren't using it as your default recording setup.
Go to Control Panel ---> Sound Devices , then choose the audio driver thing as your default audio or voice recording.

That's like the simplest way to do it if you ask me.

Posted by: jeff Jul 26 2007, 06:18 PM

Something else you will need to do, unless you already have it is to go here and download the lame .dll file:

http://www-users.york.ac.uk/~raa110/audacity/lame.html

Once you have downloaded it, unzip it and make sure that the lame_enc.dll is copied to the same directory where Reaper is installed. You will need this to render your lead to an mp3 file and lame allows you to do that.

Reaper has built it distortion effects so I think you can do it ok. Look at your track. Do you see a little "fx" button? If so, click that and see what plug-in's pop-up for you to choose. You should see several distortions.

Posted by: Nick325 Jul 26 2007, 06:31 PM

thats cool ezra

ok ive been playing around with audacity becuase i understand it more but ill try reaper another time

i got the backing track on and will record my part later today becuase im going out now for a while

thanks for your help guys because its my first time recording

also i was just wondering if anyone has a line 6 recording thing if you know how to use all the effects it comes with becuase i have the line 6 toneport and i cant figure it out

Posted by: Nick325 Jul 27 2007, 05:47 AM

ok so i have my solo part tabbed out and im practicing it and I will record it in the morning but just one question ezra i tried putting it through the amp but when i do i dont get any sound so idk what to do becuase if im just recording straight into the computer i cant make the volume louder and add distortion.

someone help (using audacity by the way)

Posted by: MickeM Jul 27 2007, 11:30 AM

I don't know Audiacity but as said in another thread (and this) select the ASIO driver for sound (preference tab)

Plug your Toneport to your computer and any other cords that toneport comes with (see your manual!)
Plug your guitar cord into Toneport
Start the Toneport software
Select the distorted sound of your choise
Set Audiacity to record and then play

Hope it works

Posted by: Wallimann Jul 27 2007, 03:41 PM

Hi everyone..
Just wanted to make sure that I didn't miss anything...
I still need leads by:
Nick325
Stratman 58
and Tak

Is that right?
If your name is above and you have posted your solo already please let me know!

Posted by: Tank Jul 27 2007, 03:56 PM

Hi David

I'm at home, writing mine at the minute. Should be posted this evening.

Posted by: Andrew Cockburn Jul 27 2007, 04:19 PM

A question Tank ....

You say you are writing it ... I always do this kind of stuff by jamming for a while then selecting the best bits, but have often speculated that if I had the discipline to sit down and write something then learn it I might get better results - do you have a view/experience on this?

Posted by: Stratman58 Jul 27 2007, 04:56 PM

*sigh*...I feel like a loser.

I had finished recording my solo when my dad came home last night. I minimized reaper, and took the opportunity to show him some guitarists on youtube. Within 5 minutes, my computer blue screened

NO EXCUSES THOUGH, you're getting it today Walliman!

Posted by: ezravdb Jul 27 2007, 05:12 PM

Yeah me too - I improvise and then I'm like, hey that lick sounds cool!
And then I try to remember that lick and I improvise some more around with it.
I repeat those steps and eventually, I have a whole solo without written anything.

Posted by: Nick325 Jul 27 2007, 05:25 PM

david

i have my solo and i figured out all the recording stuff (its my first time) so you'll have it today

Posted by: Wallimann Jul 27 2007, 05:26 PM

You guys rock!
Can't wait to get the rest! :-)

Posted by: jeff Jul 27 2007, 05:43 PM

Yeah I kinda did the same thing. Just improvised and got down a couple of licks to build around. I think if I took the time to write it out and practice it, I could have come up with much better results.

Posted by: Tank Jul 27 2007, 06:33 PM

I sometimes write by just jamming, and I suppose it's different for everyone. I just find that if I just run a track and jam over it, I can almost always attribute the licks that come out to other songs "That's a Kirk Hammett lick " etc). When I spend half an hour or so actually trying to make some interesting licks, and apply some theory, I tend to get a result that I'm more happy with.

BTW, I'm recording it at the moment (and as an extra tip, if you want a foolproof way of ruin even a 20 second take.. get yourself a 3 year old. They have a special talent in just getting interested in what you are doing when the red light blinks on the desk!!!!)

Posted by: Nick325 Jul 27 2007, 11:07 PM

i have a question


i have my part recorded but how do i upload my part

Posted by: Andrew Cockburn Jul 27 2007, 11:10 PM

Create a post, and look down past the text part - there is a file attachments section. Hit the browse button, find your file, click on add this attachment. When you finalise your reply the track should be attached.

Posted by: Nick325 Jul 27 2007, 11:12 PM

andrew it says


"Upload failed. You are not permitted to upload a file with that file extension."

Posted by: Andrew Cockburn Jul 27 2007, 11:14 PM

What file type is it? It should be an mp3 preferably or possibly a wav file.

Posted by: Tank Jul 27 2007, 11:22 PM

I had a lovely set up with my Engl, and an SM58 just positioned right earlier, only to find that I'd managed to get some unwanted background noise in the take that I liked, so I gave up, and did a direct in instead. If the software has made this too noisy David, I can fiddle with the amp models a bit. And I didn't put a limiter on it to bring it up to 0db, just incase you needed headroom for mixing

Posted by: Andrew Cockburn Jul 27 2007, 11:26 PM

Very nice tank - the whole mix is shaping up nicely now

Posted by: Nick325 Jul 27 2007, 11:32 PM

its an audacity file. how to do u make it an mp3 file?

Posted by: Andrew Cockburn Jul 27 2007, 11:33 PM

Dunno, file save as ?

Posted by: Nick325 Jul 27 2007, 11:36 PM

when i get to file save as i try clicking to change the .aup to .mp3 but its not there

Posted by: Tank Jul 27 2007, 11:38 PM

I think you have to install an encoder (from google)

http://audacity.sourceforge.net/help/faq?s=install&item=lame-mp3

Posted by: Andrew Cockburn Jul 27 2007, 11:38 PM

Export? Can you save it as a wav then convert it with winlame or something?

Posted by: Nick325 Jul 27 2007, 11:42 PM

tank when i click on the LAME thing it brings up so many ones. which one do i click?

Posted by: Tank Jul 27 2007, 11:46 PM

Any of them mate, they're all the same, just provided in different places (in case one is not working).

Posted by: Nick325 Jul 27 2007, 11:52 PM

i still cant get .mp3 in the save as folder

Posted by: Andrew Cockburn Jul 27 2007, 11:58 PM

Hey Tank, just a thought - I've been thinking about recording my amp when I get one and have decided I will record clean and re-amp, that way you can always re do it if you get a great performance but the effect is wrong.

I do the same now with my pod - monitor with the effect on for playing but get the pod to send clean, then use the gearbox plugin (basically a software pod) to get the right sound. That way I can change it afterwards for ultimate flexibility.

I haven't tried it but that approach might work well for capturing amp sounds as well, I know David Gilmour used to do that ...


Its on the export function I think.

Posted by: Nick325 Jul 28 2007, 12:04 AM

where is that

Posted by: Tank Jul 28 2007, 12:23 AM

It's the best approach. I just was using the experience to try a mic'd up recording. Putting the signal direct to track gives you much more options. The only danger I could see (in myself) is that I'd spend hours upon hours fiddling with reverbs, delays, and amp simulations, and never get anything done !!

Nick, try somewhere in the "File" menu, usually export is located there (in other programs).

Posted by: Andrew Cockburn Jul 28 2007, 12:40 AM

Sorry - teaching you haow to suck eggs there I suspect Still its a good plan and I'll try it myself when I get an amp.

Posted by: Tank Jul 28 2007, 01:03 AM

Not at all mate. It was a good point well put. It used to be that being able to record the signal then feed it through different amps till you got the right sound was only in the domain of big studios. Now anyone with a computer can have a go

Posted by: Nick325 Jul 28 2007, 02:18 AM

 ionian.wav ( 2.28MB ) : 151


yes i finally got it up


sry for bad sound quality its my first time recording

n my first time experimenting with the ionian scale so let me know what you think even if its negative

Posted by: Stratman58 Jul 29 2007, 02:22 AM

My apologies on taking this long... I'm sure everyone is anxious to hear this mixed!

My phrygian

PS - sorry about that lil sweep in there. It sounds forced, but I've been practicing sweeps like crazy, and I couldn't help myself .

Phrygian is weird!

Posted by: Wallimann Jul 30 2007, 03:40 PM

Hi guys!
Sorry I haven't posted in a while. I couldn't access the forum, but with Andrew's help it's all fixed.
Good news: I received all your parts and will mix today.
I'll keep you all posted.
And thanks so much for your great participation.
You guys make GMC the best guitar website ever. Thanks!

Posted by: AIB234 Jul 30 2007, 06:01 PM

I can not wait to hear this! I am very anxious to see the results of GMC's first collaboration.

Posted by: Travelin' Man Aug 15 2007, 10:12 PM

Where's the results? I would love to hear it.

Posted by: stratman33 Aug 16 2007, 05:11 AM

in the pinned topic in this forum, and theres a topic in the normal collaborations with it.