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Posted by: Victafor Aug 27 2007, 02:24 AM

I have been practicing some tapping! this is Part of Pavel's metal soloing lesson. ive been playing for 5-6 months now! I messed up on the trill part once tho lol! even tho i hardly ever do but w.e! anyways here is the link

http://youtube.com/watch?v=5663tcloQjw

remember only rate the tapping, the trill section i just for a buildup! Thanx

Posted by: Victafor Aug 27 2007, 04:45 AM

I am going to be posting me playing the whole lesson! THis recording was in one try cause i had to go my parents were yelling at me -.- thats why there is a screw up in the beginning! But i will post myself doing the whole thing! very difficult lesson

Posted by: Smikey2006 Aug 27 2007, 07:15 AM

its getting there.. try cleaning it up a bit and working more on timing. i think your timing is a little off on some sections but other than that its very good.

Posted by: Victafor Aug 27 2007, 08:14 AM

thanks, like i said, i only had time for 1 recording... i can ussually get it pretty clean and good timing

Posted by: fkalich Aug 27 2007, 08:25 AM

why are you lying to him Smikey? It does them no good. Tell them the truth. You certainly can learn to pay well, anybody can with work. But that was bloody awful. Noise pollution. Slow down and work on your timing. Play with a metronome as Pavel told you, but also learn to play with timing without a metronome as Marcus would tell you. Or otherwise just do what you are doing and hope that people keep worrying about hurting your feelings and not telling you how awful it was.

This is what is wrong with the American Public school system, nobody wants to tell people when they are doing something awful, they always feel a need to put a positive spin on it, to be SENSITIVE. Crap.

Posted by: tonymiro Aug 27 2007, 08:27 AM

I thought it was a good job for a first and only pass under parental pressure. If you could do more takes then yes clean up the sound a bit but nonetheless good job for a one take.

Cheers,
Tony

Oh and of course one take - good for being able to do it live

Posted by: shredmandan Aug 27 2007, 08:33 AM

It was a very short video of your tapping so it's hard to judge From what i heard to be completly honest on a scale from o being worst and 10 being best on the planet i would give you a 4 .Ofcourse you know you have much work ahead of you.I've been playing for 11 years and have much work ahead of me.Your on a very good path though and if you continue the way you are now,you will be pulling off some insame playing in the next few years.Just remember to practice right and learnthe stuff thats going to make you improve not just be an ok guitarist.

Thanks for posting dude,look forward to hearing more

Posted by: tonymiro Aug 27 2007, 08:44 AM

*SIGH* I work as a University lecturer - my job isn't teaching/lecturing undergrads but rather to supervise and viva PhD candidates. Sorry fkalich but I've heard all of this from people both within and without the education system many times. Too often 'honesty' or 'playing devil's advocate' is little more than someone mouthing off and point scoring because they have some 'beef' about an unrelated issue or are targeting someone else. Too often I've seen a student bullied/harassed and so who then gives up because someone decides to have a go. Too often the person who has a go does so from a position of safety. They rarely put themselves in the firing line.

This is a guitar forum so why you decide to have a pop at the education system, well I really don't know BUT I personally don't find it appropriate. Now to some extent I'm doing the same here to you but personally I feel after many years doing my job that positive reinforcement has a very serious place to play. I can give you a full pedagogic run down on that but it isn't appropriate here is it?

Now I personally feel that allowing for context that Vic here did a damned fine job. Yes there are things to work on BUT there is a big difference between constructive critique and being negative. I like and value your posts the vast majority of the times. You nearly always have an informed and interesting take on things, albeit not necessarily ones that I totally agree with (but hey that makes for debate ). I don't however like and can't abide a flat out negative post on someone who is asking for comment, help and support.

Cheers,
Tony

Posted by: tonymiro Aug 27 2007, 08:59 AM

Vic
apologies for my rant on your thread - I'm tired and have had a particularly bad day.
Cheers,
Tony

Posted by: Andrew Cockburn Aug 27 2007, 09:01 AM

The builders again ???

Posted by: tonymiro Aug 27 2007, 09:04 AM

No - worse Andrew - funeral coming up - just got told this weekend.
(Sorry - not a good bit on the forum for this).

Cheers,
Tony

Posted by: Andrew Cockburn Aug 27 2007, 09:08 AM

Sorry to hear that Tony ...

Posted by: tonymiro Aug 27 2007, 09:11 AM

TY Andrew - but continue - if at all - on a different thread?

Posted by: Victafor Aug 27 2007, 09:18 AM

well thank you for being honest! I have not been able to tap this fast for more than a week so that would also explain a little of the dirty playing! Like when i was first able to play 16th notes at 150 bpm i had no control for the first 2 weeks or so. But soon i got cleaner! i am practicing daily and i hope to post the full lesson soon! i luv the sound of it



its ok



haha yes but i generally get worse when i play live cause my fingers start shaking and i get soo nervous ha



thank you for being honest i will certianly work on it



thank you for the encouragement! nice pic lol

Posted by: fkalich Aug 27 2007, 09:20 AM

Good explanation of why the US now ranks 17th in the world in Engineers produced per capita, and used to be ranked 3rd. When I went back to graduate school in Computer Science, I was a minority student, American in a program with Asian students. I taught the course designed to weed them out for a year, Discrete Math. And have seen what the American public school system is producing.

Trouble with Americans, is so may of you think you are real hot, no matter what you do. When you face international competition, you have nowhere to go be into denial.

The tapping was awful. I stand by my statement. No points for anything. An F. Go back and do better.

Posted by: Victafor Aug 27 2007, 09:24 AM

ok lol im just its all good ill keep practicing

Posted by: fkalich Aug 27 2007, 09:25 AM

I figured you could take it Vic. I figure you can do it, I don't doubt that, but I am not going to lower the bar for you, does not help you.

I respect you for your response to hard criticism. That is being tough.

Posted by: Andrew Cockburn Aug 27 2007, 09:28 AM

Fkalich,

You are entitled to your opinion, and we are in no doubt what that is.

However, the posting guidelines clearly call for constructive criticism, not out and out negativity. Your first post was barely the former, this last was definatley the latter.

Please provide Vic with some constructive feedback, you owe him that after your comments.

Posted by: Victafor Aug 27 2007, 09:31 AM

thank you for standing up for me... but when somebody tells me something like that, that could put lots of ppl down, it just makes me wanna try harder! This is something i definitely will do!

Posted by: Andrew Cockburn Aug 27 2007, 09:34 AM

Good for you Vic, but it was still rude.

Posted by: Victafor Aug 27 2007, 09:35 AM

yep

Posted by: shredmandan Aug 27 2007, 09:50 AM

Vic
Dude i didnt say anything that wasent true man.Sure i could have fraised it to come off as mean as posible ,but what i said is exactly how i felt.I am suprised that post was left up becasue i feel like if i wrote something like that it would have been erased because they are supposed to only allow constructive critisizm here and i cleaned my act up months ago over it and dont say anything like that now.andmy looking at how it comes off im glad i stoped.

Vic i think last time i talked to you that you said you had been playing for some amount of months almost a year(sorry if im wrong).My point is that i didnt even know what tapping was till i had been playing for a few years.Maybe that makes me dumb but what ever,you learn at your own rate as everybody is different and wants to do different things on guitar.Like i said in my first post you know you dont have it down thats why you asked for comments and that should be respected,but you were actually making tapps and starting this in under a year. I also think you are on a very good track with your playing on guitar.You are going for all the right techniques rather then just playing songs form a band like i did when i started.

A mistake i have made that has made me have to go back rather than forward though is learning something sloppy then think i got it down and moving on to next thing.We all want to learn as quick as possible but truth is it takes a life time.Best advice i can give you is master each technquie correctly before you move on.Never just get something half way and settle for it on the guitar or you will pay for it later down the road if your looking to master the guitar.Just remember it's better to play slow and acurate than fast and sloppy.(thats something i have to tell myself to this day)

Flakaklic ??i cant remember what user name is
I'm just expressing my opinion like you did and with no disrespect to you.Not looking for someone to fight with on here and i see your point of not telling someone there good when there not.Just dont agree with the way you phrase it and especially when they are new to the game and asking for help advice not bashing




Glad u said something Andrew
Was thinking this was going to be allowed for a minute.Didnt see this till i posted my last comment.

Posted by: tonymiro Aug 27 2007, 09:51 AM

Apologies first to Vic,
But as much as I hadn't intended to carry the argument on I didn't want this one to slide.

Quote 'You do them no good' ... 'I have the truth on my side'.

Well as a minor point personally I don't like having words attributed to me which I did not utter. BUT (and it's a big BUT) I'll write that one off to poor editing.

More importantly, I was not aware that any of us here was the final arbiter on truth. All of a sudden one of us is in a definitive position as to exactly what constitutes truth, beauty, perfection? 'Hard' criticism? REALLY??? I do critique and feedback for a living and frankly you over-stepped the mark. To now do a 'good to see you can take hard criticism' response if frankly crass. Provide constructive criticism, or if not then none.

Anyway I'm not going to carry this on here as it's not appropriate to the thread.

Tony

Posted by: JOhn Aug 27 2007, 02:15 PM

yeh it was pretty bad the tapping. You should have slowed down when you fist started it because it seems like you forgot about accuracy before speed. I'm no expert at guitar but you should never play faster then you can because it gives bad results just keep that in mind

Posted by: Kristofer Dahl Aug 27 2007, 05:38 PM

Thanks Andrew for reminding of the posting guidelines.

Victafor -

If you would have asked what we thought about your recording techniqe - I would have politely asked you to keep practicing very hard.

However, you asked us about your newly acquired tapping technique - and then I must congratulate you for your quick progress! (And of course encourage you to keep practicing as well).

I don't know what equipment you have - but if you added more distortion to the sound, some reverb, recorded directly to the computer, played only the tapping part to a backing track, then you might even impress fkalich (your age and experience taken into consideration).

This forum is all about constructive critism. In order to achieve this - we need to analyse exactly what we are hearing. If a recording gives you a very bad impression - saying "it sucks" (or similar) won't help anybody, instead please refrain from posting.

However, if you can explain exactly why it sounds bad - then you are doing the topic started a great favor!

Posted by: Victafor Aug 27 2007, 07:24 PM

thanks kris! but one of the reasons i had it sounding bad is because the settings i had on my amp and little cheap v-amp for effects, made the slightest touch to the guitar very loud! I use this so that i can play cleaner! so that when i have my lesson or song clean on this setting, i can play it clean on almost all others!



its ok



thanks for all the positive feedback and support!

Posted by: Eat-Sleep-andJam Aug 28 2007, 01:58 AM

Well dont take what you thinks wrong with the American Public School System out on Victafor . No one on this forum should ever kick someone whos in the learning phase. Yes there is such thing as being entitled to ones point of view. But no offense you took it slightly out of perportion.


As for your playing Vic, It was ok. The technique is there but the whole puzzle of it you havnt quite pieced together yet. Slow down and use the metronome, youll be amazed by how cleanier and faster youll get ! Your advanced chords lesson was good and I was upset to see this lesson because Ik you didnt spend as much time on this then you did on the advanced chords Practice Practice Practice and more Practice makes Perfect, or something close to it ?

- John

Posted by: Victafor Aug 28 2007, 04:31 AM

thank you for the positive feed back and I'm glad you liked my advanced chords! I will work on it more

Posted by: Robin Aug 28 2007, 08:55 AM

You are playing way too fast, you need to slow down and build your way up. Its always like that

Posted by: Victafor Aug 28 2007, 08:57 AM

he he im doin lots better today! i just gotta get the tempo down exactly right and a little cleaner

Posted by: Andrew Cockburn Aug 28 2007, 09:02 AM

Cool - give it a week or so then post a new vid to the thread so we can see how you are progressing!

Posted by: Robin Aug 28 2007, 09:14 AM

Great, keep it up!