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Posted by: Capt.Z Mar 6 2008, 10:25 PM
omg! 
this band is insane. Through the fire and flames is like
their greatest song ever! they shred so hard!!
u probably know them from guitar hero 3. if not, u should listen to
them.
DRAGONFORCE RULES!!!!
Posted by: Guitarman700 Mar 6 2008, 10:27 PM
this band is insane. Through the fire and flames is liketheir greatest song ever! they shred so hard!!
u probably know them from guitar hero 3. if not, u should listen to
them.
DRAGONFORCE RULES!!!!
maybe, but their attitudes about music suck. im not convinced on their guitar skills either.
Posted by: Smikey2006 Mar 6 2008, 10:27 PM
they are pritty awsome.. they get alot of bad rep because they get drunk on stage and performance gets a little sloppy but other than that i think they are pritty awsome... i saw them live at the docks concert hall in Toronto and they put on a wicked show!
Posted by: Guitarman700 Mar 6 2008, 10:29 PM
any band that plays well live "only when they feel like it" is not worth my time. alcohol and music dont mix, its disrespectful to the fans who pay to see you.
Posted by: Capt.Z Mar 6 2008, 10:31 PM
this is all true. but their music is good. maybe we should
have a dragonforce lesson
Posted by: SinoMan Mar 6 2008, 10:32 PM
I used to like them, but soon enough I realized all they songs were the same. Cry for eternity/Though the fire and flames/Operation ground and pound. All the same.
Also, they are not such great guitarists and overuse some effects...
Posted by: Unleash-The-Shred Mar 6 2008, 10:34 PM
EXACTLY!!! That is half the reason why they sound so fast.
I don't mind them though. They are pretty good.
Posted by: Guitarman700 Mar 6 2008, 10:36 PM
Also, they are not such great guitarists and overuse some effects...
exactly what happened to me, i thougtht they were good, then i saw some videos of them "playing", how wrong i was.
Posted by: SinoMan Mar 6 2008, 10:48 PM
I guess they need to start doing less 'Pac-Man noises' and more music 
Posted by: Unleash-The-Shred Mar 6 2008, 10:53 PM
LMAO! I know. I love how ((sarcasm)) in Guitar Hero when you are playing their song the pac-man noises are played with a difficult sequence of notes (if playing on a high difficulty) when all Herman does is take his wammy bar and run it down the strings.
Posted by: SinoMan Mar 6 2008, 10:56 PM
Herman Li plays Guitar Hero too ;P
Posted by: Unleash-The-Shred Mar 6 2008, 10:58 PM
Haha maybe he should just stick to that.
Just kidding.
Posted by: Capt.Z Mar 6 2008, 10:59 PM
Yeah good one
Posted by: Unleash-The-Shred Mar 6 2008, 11:02 PM
good oneLOL
He is a good guitarist he is just kinda lame at times...
Posted by: RandomVictim Mar 6 2008, 11:05 PM
people bash DF way to much. Be honest, how many of you like Through the Fire and The Flames? I guarantee a lot of you do. Also they're not the only band to drink alcohol so thats a lame thing to judge them on. They put on good shows and make good songs. Give them some credit.
Posted by: Unleash-The-Shred Mar 6 2008, 11:08 PM
We arent all bashing them to a full extent we are just kidding around.
They are pretty good its just they have their weaknesses.
Posted by: Capt.Z Mar 6 2008, 11:08 PM
yeah. That is a pretty great song. I still
like 'em. 
Posted by: Unleash-The-Shred Mar 6 2008, 11:10 PM
And I must add, I know many different things have weaknesses but Dragonforce has some pretty strange ideas you must admit.
Posted by: Jamesito Mar 6 2008, 11:10 PM
HAHAHAHAA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ch8CYgH-tQ
Herrman li is cool, this proves it lol, thjey are arful live, great in the studio so overall avergae band]!!!
Jamesito 
Posted by: Trond Vold Mar 6 2008, 11:12 PM
Dragonforce rocks.. they might not always be able to recreate it all live, but the finished results on the albums sounds great
Posted by: SinoMan Mar 6 2008, 11:17 PM
I really can't understand why they can do it in studio and not live. Are they really so drunk?
Posted by: Unleash-The-Shred Mar 6 2008, 11:18 PM
Getting drunk takes its tolls my friend.
I tried playing guitar drunk before and it didnt go so well, and I was only sitting in a room at my house.
Posted by: SinoMan Mar 6 2008, 11:20 PM
I tried playing guitar drunk before and it didnt go so well, and I was only sitting in a room at my house.
Why do they do it then if they know they're gonna suck...
Posted by: Capt.Z Mar 6 2008, 11:20 PM
yeah. How is it even possible to play drunk? 
Posted by: Unleash-The-Shred Mar 6 2008, 11:22 PM
That...I cant answer. Ask Sam Totman.
Posted by: Unleash-The-Shred Mar 6 2008, 11:23 PM
It's pretty damn hard. I can tell you that hahahahaha.
Your concentration is like in the negatives.
Posted by: Trond Vold Mar 6 2008, 11:24 PM
They probably assume everyone in the audience are as drunk as they are 
Posted by: Unleash-The-Shred Mar 6 2008, 11:25 PM
Probably
Posted by: SinoMan Mar 6 2008, 11:25 PM
That's the reason Ritchie Blackmore is playing folk rock now. He said that no matter what he played, the people would like it because they were all drunk.
Posted by: Unleash-The-Shred Mar 6 2008, 11:27 PM
Haha. He is still awesome.
Ireland would be a great place to be a professional musician in that case.
Posted by: SinoMan Mar 6 2008, 11:29 PM
Ireland would be a great place to be a professional musician in that case.
Why Ireland?
Posted by: The Uncreator Mar 6 2008, 11:32 PM
Its a joke about supposedly how much the Irish drink.
Posted by: Juan M. Valero Mar 6 2008, 11:33 PM
I agree, I think there are not as guitar player as they seem in her videos... hehe, today is easy record an amazing solo, but it's not too much easy to play it live
Posted by: SinoMan Mar 6 2008, 11:34 PM
Really? Teach me how to record one then ;P
Posted by: Unleash-The-Shred Mar 6 2008, 11:35 PM
Yup...I'm part Irish so other fellow Irishman dont take this as an insult.
Posted by: SinoMan Mar 6 2008, 11:36 PM
Man alcohol sucks. Why do people drink it so much =/
Posted by: Unleash-The-Shred Mar 6 2008, 11:37 PM
I dont drink a lot, just past experiences...
But I cant answer for others.
Posted by: The Uncreator Mar 6 2008, 11:43 PM
Yeah im a bit of Irish myself, All in good fun
Posted by: Unleash-The-Shred Mar 6 2008, 11:43 PM
Yup
Posted by: SinoMan Mar 6 2008, 11:47 PM
It's been more than 10 mins now and no one has taught me to record an amazing solo yet!!
Posted by: Capt.Z Mar 6 2008, 11:47 PM
i wouldn't really know cause im 13, but still.
I would never drink.
Posted by: Unleash-The-Shred Mar 6 2008, 11:50 PM
Here, do it the quick way. Take your stereo, insert Dream Theater's Train Of Thought album. Hook it up to your recorder somehow and play Stream Of Conciousness through the recorder. Finally Rename it "I just owned Petrucci at his own song" and you will be warshipped!
Posted by: SinoMan Mar 6 2008, 11:52 PM
Lol what the hell? What do you mean by 'your recorder'? Cuz you know, recorder is also a woodwind musical instrument...
Posted by: Unleash-The-Shred Mar 6 2008, 11:53 PM
Not the flute recorder thing. I will reinstate that. Whatever you are recording through. Your recording software or whatever.
Posted by: SinoMan Mar 6 2008, 11:55 PM
Nah man that sucks. I want to know how to repair mistakes in a guitar recording without a break.
Posted by: Unleash-The-Shred Mar 6 2008, 11:56 PM
Do you mean how to edit a recording?
Posted by: SinoMan Mar 6 2008, 11:57 PM
When you got an almost perfect 4-minute recording with a little mistake in the middle.
Posted by: Unleash-The-Shred Mar 6 2008, 11:58 PM
Yeah, so your saying you want to edit that out right?
Posted by: SinoMan Mar 6 2008, 11:59 PM
Yeah.
Posted by: SinoMan Mar 6 2008, 11:59 PM
We've made this to a pretty active topic BTW. Too bad I gotta leave soon =/
Posted by: Unleash-The-Shred Mar 7 2008, 12:01 AM
I dont know much about recording and all that yet. You should ask an instructor who has experience doing that stuff.
Posted by: SinoMan Mar 7 2008, 12:02 AM
Well, it's too late. Gonna sleep. See ya.
Posted by: Unleash-The-Shred Mar 7 2008, 12:04 AM
Later man.
Posted by: Smikey2006 Mar 7 2008, 12:12 AM
i still seriously blaime alchohol for the bad stage sound.. the songs everyone rips on are through fire and flames and valley of the damed which are the songs they play last during their shows.. at the beginning everything sounds wicked.. they slowly drink during the show and it gets progressively worse....i think they are all awsome players.. studio albums sound awsome.. but i recommend everyone has 4 to 7 beers and then tries to sweep
Posted by: RandomVictim Mar 7 2008, 01:27 AM
Treat alcohol with respect and use it responsibly and no problems will follow
Oh and DRAGONFORCE ROCKS
Posted by: shellshock1911 Mar 7 2008, 03:03 AM
They are a good band and make pretty good music. However I think they are extremely overrated. If I remember correctly, the vast majority of Through the Fire and Flames solo is just in standard sets of 4, 4 sets per bar, every bar. Extremely simple solo technically and if you can play 16th notes at 170 BPM or so, the solo isn't that difficult. Dream Theater solos are unbelievably harder though, just try to learn the Constant Motion solo, Metropolis Part 1 solo, The Glass Prison solo among many others to see what a hard solo really is. Hell I think I remember one Dream Theater solo where the time signature changes from 6/8 to 7/8 on every bar. And the scary part is, every member of Dream Theater pulls every song off live, note for note, a feat which I have yet to see Dragonforce even come close to accomplishing. They saturate everything so much with effects it just becomes stupid after a while.
Posted by: The Uncreator Mar 7 2008, 03:08 AM
Comparing Dream Theater to Dragonforce isnt a good idea to me.
I give tons of credit to Dragonforce for being able to write fast, super melodic solos, and being able to play them (Sober, atleast), But its not as "Technical" as DT, Its basic structure, basic arpeggios, tapping licks, just fast usually, Dream Theater, Like you said, can even be a simpler solo or more difficult, and it will change tempo and time signature randomly and more than once.
2 bands that are too different really.
Posted by: shellshock1911 Mar 7 2008, 03:17 AM
I give tons of credit to Dragonforce for being able to write fast, super melodic solos, and being able to play them (Sober, atleast), But its not as "Technical" as DT, Its basic structure, basic arpeggios, tapping licks, just fast usually, Dream Theater, Like you said, can even be a simpler solo or more difficult, and it will change tempo and time signature randomly and more than once.
2 bands that are too different really.
Yea I like Dragonforce, all their songs are very uplifting to me (in the studio). The reason I compared to DT though was because I was just pointing out that there are bands out there that are able to pull their own music off live, whereas usually Dragonforce makes like 200 mistakes. I saw one video where Herman Li accidentally hit the volume control pedal instead of wah, so like 4 seconds of the solo was just cut off completely, then he accidentally hits the whammy pedal making the part of the solo that he could play sound 2 octaves higher, overall complete mess, especially when followed by always drunk Totman.
Posted by: The Uncreator Mar 7 2008, 03:22 AM
True, DT are flawless live.
Posted by: Goliath Mar 7 2008, 04:05 AM
yeah, if you catch DF RIGHT after a studio release, they're going to play sloppy because they're still learning the song. I've seen DF twice and the second time they nailed each song note for note (it was in february of last year on the No Fear tour or something). The first time I saw them was on the off day from Ozzfest 2 years ago. They flubbed it a little, but not near as bad as the videos. I'm sure lots of skilled guitarists have made mistakes on video before. Petrucci is clearly better than Sam or Herman. Petrucci is probably one of the best rock guitarists alive. That said DF isn't bad. Their stage presence IMHO is better than DT's. They're really high energy and lots of fun.
Posted by: SLASH91 Mar 7 2008, 04:08 AM
Yeah, Petrucci has absolutely no stage presence, he pretty much just stands there. Portney is good, but He's stuck on drums the entire time. Dream Theater is of course better technically than Dragonforce though.
Posted by: shellshock1911 Mar 7 2008, 04:10 AM
Fixed
Just kidding. Definately though, if I wasn't so astounded in awe and addicted to Dream Theater I would definately find Dragonforce much funner due to the atmosphere. Dream Theater shows are pretty much 100% music, which is how they want it to be, and how it should be, nothing wrong with that. However I can definately see why one would want to go see DF, having never heard of them, just because it is always fun to go to a rock concert.
Posted by: Goliath Mar 7 2008, 04:14 AM
When Petrucci starts doing tornado jumps off cabs/drum riser/ monitors or when they get trampolines on the side of the stage and haul up girls from the crowd then we'll talk. The energy DF puts into their concert is truly unrivaled by any band I've seen. I've not seen DT live yet, I'm going in May, but I have watched LOTS of DT live performances.
Posted by: shellshock1911 Mar 7 2008, 04:17 AM
Can't believe you didn't mention Myung lol. Petrucci and Portnoy both at least look at the crowd and smile and walk around a good bit and I don't think Myung has ever lifted his eyes from the bass. Rudess rules.
Posted by: SLASH91 Mar 7 2008, 04:20 AM
True, true
On another note, Could you imagine being the singer for DT. It'd be really bad at live shows whenever the rest of the band was just jamming, which they do ALOT. He actually leaves the stage, because they go on for so long. Which is awesome of course.
Posted by: shellshock1911 Mar 7 2008, 04:21 AM
Reminds me of the Motley Crue concert I saw lol. Lets just say they almost got arrested and stopped halfway through due to unbelievably horrible conduct. After that I never wanted to go to another one like, Def Leppard and Van Halen were way better.
Posted by: FretDancer69 Mar 7 2008, 05:11 AM
On another note, Could you imagine being the singer for DT. It'd be really bad at live shows whenever the rest of the band was just jamming, which they do ALOT. He actually leaves the stage, because they go on for so long. Which is awesome of course.
LMAO thats so true, i wonder what Labrie does for those 20 mins of Instrumental songs, bridges or just plain jam!
Posted by: Juan M. Valero Mar 7 2008, 08:22 AM
hehehe, well, I only did this bad trick one time, excuse me
This is the fragment...
Posted by: Sonny Mar 8 2008, 04:52 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ch8CYgH-tQ
Herrman li is cool, this proves it lol, thjey are arful live, great in the studio so overall avergae band]!!!
Jamesito
hahahahaha, that video is so funny...
Posted by: OrganisedConfusion Mar 8 2008, 05:01 PM
Dragonforce sound good in studio because they record everything at 50% tempo and then double the tempo to give the finished album. That's also why they get drunk live to try and cover up the fact they are very sketchy playing the stuff. They should get credit for writing catchy songs and melodies but they shouldn't for their guitar PLAYING skills.
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