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Posted by: Pedja Simovic Nov 10 2009, 04:10 PM

Roman welcome to your November thread.

We have to cover 4 weekly assignments and one REC submission in this month. Since 10 days have passed in this month, we will have to squeeze in 2 assignments in one week in order to finish everything!

Here are your first two assignments for November! Deadline for these is 14th of November.


Assignment 1 :

- Record Cycle 4 and 5 for Melodic minor scale.
- Tempo of your choice and do it one octave ascending and descending.

Assignment 2 :

- Theory and Harmony test, complete answers to 10 questions bellow :

1) C is V in what major scale?
2) If G is I what is III ?
3) If A min is III what is V?
4) If F is IV what is I?
5) If E diminished is VII what is I?
6) If D is V what is II ?
7) If B diminished is VII what is III?
8) If C min is III what is II?
9) If D min is VI what is V?
10) If G min is II what is I?

If you are unsure what the answers are to those questions, please read my post from the link bellow!

- http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_forum/index.php?s=&showtopic=30193&view=findpost&p=418884

Let me know if you have any extra questions, I will be happy to respond to them.


Pedja

Posted by: edguy Nov 11 2009, 05:24 PM

Hey Pedja ,

thanks for the 2 new assignment. I think it should be no problem for me to get it down till saturday.

One question i have is: I want to try to figure out Cycle 4 and 5 of Melodic Minor scale by myself. But what is the starting point (root note) you started the other examples with A.

Posted by: Pedja Simovic Nov 11 2009, 05:36 PM

Good question Roman!

You should always start with A for minor scales since its related to C major which has no sharps and flats. So the idea is to start with no accidentals and then as you go along every next scale has one extra sign. Hope that makes sense

Posted by: edguy Nov 11 2009, 05:39 PM

Yeah that makes totally sense. So tomorrow i will post 2 gp files with my solutions for cycle 4 and 5. if i get your ok i will record them asap.

cheers Roman

Posted by: Pedja Simovic Nov 11 2009, 07:51 PM

No problem Roman, look forward to it!

Posted by: edguy Nov 12 2009, 01:06 PM

Hey Pedja,

i need some help

Cycle4 : The formular of Melodic Minor sclae is: I II bIII IV V VI VII VIII

I start with A:

The notes are: A B C D E F# G# A

now go up a perfect 4th it should be D right?

To find out the flat i have to go up a perfect 4th again from D to get the flat right???

So i get the notes: D E F Gb A A# C D

Is this correct or completly wrong ?

Posted by: Pedja Simovic Nov 12 2009, 01:37 PM

Hi Roman,

You got the formula right but the notes are wrong. Also remember that you can't have two same notes with different accidentals.

So A melodic minor is : A B C D E F# G# A
Then we move onto D melodic minor which is : D E F G A B C# D!

Just remember the roman numeral formula I II bIII IV V VI VII VIII
That should help you create the scales!

G melodic minor?

G A Bb C D E F# G

So as you see there will be scales where you have both sharps and flats just like G melodic minor.

Posted by: edguy Nov 12 2009, 01:44 PM

Ah ok i think i get it now. But one thing confuses me. I thought cycle 4 is a tool to determine the flats of a key. And when i start with A i thought D has one flat in it. But in your example there is no flat.

Posted by: Pedja Simovic Nov 12 2009, 02:11 PM

That applies only for Major scales and Natural minor scales. As you saw harmonic minor has sharps in it where there should be flats

The problem lies in guitar pro because when you use fretboard to type in notes it gives you enharmonic spellings !

Posted by: edguy Nov 12 2009, 04:12 PM

Hey Pedja,

lets see if i got this right

here is the gp file for Cycle4:

 Cycle_4_Melodic_Minor.gp5 ( 2.92K ) : 101


and here we have Cycle 5:

 Cycle_5_Melodic_minor.gp5 ( 2.92K ) : 113


Edit: added cycle 5

Posted by: Pedja Simovic Nov 12 2009, 06:27 PM

All is fantastic except Cycle 5 A minor ! You did harmonic instead of melodic (F instead of F# note)

Posted by: edguy Nov 12 2009, 06:59 PM

Hey Pedja,

it's fixed now on my computer. I will record the videos tomorrow and i try to answer the questions today so i will finish this 2 assignments in time

Posted by: Pedja Simovic Nov 12 2009, 07:18 PM

That would be fantastic Roman. Look forward to it!

Posted by: edguy Nov 12 2009, 08:12 PM

Hey Pedja, here are my answers:

1) It's F Major scale
2) It's B Minor
3) It's C Major
4) It's C Major
5) It's F Major
6) It's A Minor
7) It's D Minor
8) It's A# Minor
9) It's E Major
10) It's F Major

Hope this is correct.

cheers Roman

Posted by: Pedja Simovic Nov 13 2009, 02:43 PM

Roman questions number 7,8 and 9 are not correct. Read them again and try to do them. I will help you with number 8.

If C minor is III what is II?

Think of letter names? What comes before C letter ? Is it G ? NO. A? NO. So the answer is B something. Now you have to figure out if its regular B or b or # and type of chord that lies on II scale degree in major scale.

Let me know if you need any help !

Posted by: Pedja Simovic Nov 14 2009, 12:33 PM

By the way Roman I can't post your next assignment before you finish the ones you have left!

Posted by: edguy Nov 14 2009, 12:47 PM

Hey Pedja,

yes i know this The videos are recorded and i have to sync it now to the mp3 files Then i will upload it.
when i start to upload the vids i will try to correct the 3 questions.

cheers Roman




Edut: typo

Posted by: Pedja Simovic Nov 14 2009, 12:52 PM

Great Roman, look forward to videos and 3 answers so we can move on with new assignments

Posted by: edguy Nov 14 2009, 01:38 PM

Hey Pedja,

I am uploading the video right now.




So here i will continue with the theory questions. Let's take Question 8 as an example.

You said it must be something around B. When it is B the second note in the scale is an C#. So it can't be the B
What confuses me is that i found no possibility where C is on III in major scale. When I look at Bb and want to find out the Major 3rd i have to count 4 semitones from Bb right?? So i land on D. So my conclusion is it can't be Bb either.

So i think i need a little help here

cheers Roman

Hey Pedja,


here is video Number 1 :



I am uploading the second video right now, but in 20 minutes i have to go to an swim contest :D

So when it's not ready till then i will post in 3 hours.



Ahh and i find out that question Number 7 is wrong because it must be E minor.

At C major scale B diminshed is on VII and on III is E so it must be E minor

Posted by: Pedja Simovic Nov 14 2009, 01:39 PM

Ok Roman lets work this out.

Lets say we have any major scale right? The purpose of major scale as it has 7 different letter names and notes. It is impossible to have G# and G or G and Gb or G# and Gb in the same scale. Same goes for any other letter name. We simply can't repeat same letters twice unless its an octave (root of the scale where we start and end the scale).

Now lets look at C major scale

C D E F G A B C
Its all the different letter names right?
The distance between the notes is W W H W W W H step correct? C to D whole step, D to E whole step, E to F half step, F to G whole step, G to A whole step, A to B whole step and B to C is half step!
C is I, D is II , E is III, F is IV , G is V , A is VI , B is VII and C is VIII. Those are our scale degrees.
In my theory and harmony board I harmonized the scale and explained why the chords appear on what scale degree and what is their function. In short we have Major chords on scale degree I IV and V, minor II III VI and VII diminished. 4 part chords are Maj7th on I and IV , Dom7 on V , Min7th on II III and VI and Min7b5 on VII.

Now back to the original question. If C min is III what is II ?
What is the distance between II and III scale degree? Look at the original C major scale and tell me what is the distance between E and D notes backwards ? You should work your way around with C minor as III bringing us down to what II?

Let me know if this helps.

Posted by: edguy Nov 14 2009, 01:54 PM

Well the distance between II and III is a whole step. So between E and D we have D#/Eb. and when C is on III and i go back a whole step i am on Bb. Is this correct?


by the way here ist the second video:




I will come back later and correct question 9.

cheers Roman

Posted by: edguy Nov 14 2009, 04:15 PM

Hey Pedja,

I am back from the swimming contest.

To sum it up here are my Corrections

7) It's E Minor
8) It's Bb Minor
9) It's C Major


so now it should be correct

Posted by: Pedja Simovic Nov 14 2009, 05:12 PM

Excellent work with both assignments Roman! I will try to post your next assignment by tomorrow. Stay tuned!

Posted by: Pedja Simovic Nov 15 2009, 03:28 PM

Roman here is your 3rd assignment for this month.

Assignment 3 :

- Record Cycle 4 and 5 for Dorian mode.
- Tempo of your choice and do it one octave ascending and descending.
- Use Minor 6 or Minor 7 chord in the background for each key (for example D Dorian = D min6 or D min7, G Dorian = G min6 min7 etc)

Deadline for this assignment is 21st of November.

Let me know if you got any questions!

Pedja

Posted by: edguy Nov 21 2009, 02:13 PM

Hey pedja,

please check this gp5 file if i did it right for Cycle 4.

 Cycle_4_DorianMode.gp5 ( 2.88K ) : 93


What do you mean by:

Use Minor 6 or Minor 7 chord in the background for each key (for example D Dorian = D min6 or D min7, G Dorian = G min6 min7 etc.

Should i record two takes?. One take with the Cycle 4 octave ascending and descending and a backing with this chords??

cheers Roman

Posted by: Pedja Simovic Nov 21 2009, 03:47 PM

It is looking good Roman just couple of tips.

Last chord should be Cb not B. Also each chord should have Min7 or Min6 chord since the mode is Dorian which is minor based mode.

I want you to record C min7 for 2 bars then F min7 for 2 bars, Bb min 7 etc and have that as backing track while you play those modes ascending and descending using one octave.
Hope that makes sense.

Posted by: edguy Nov 21 2009, 04:16 PM

Hey Pedja,

Cb how does the chord look like? I can't find the note Cb on the fretboard nor on the piano. The other chords are no problem

Posted by: Pedja Simovic Nov 21 2009, 04:18 PM

Hey Roman,

Cb = B
It is just another way of saying the same thing. So if you know where your B note is on the fretboard then you are all set as that note in theory in special circumstances (like going through cycle 4 in this case) we call it Cb instead of B

So B minor7 = Cb minor7

Hope that helps man

Posted by: edguy Nov 21 2009, 04:21 PM

ok that's fine

Posted by: edguy Nov 21 2009, 04:58 PM

Hey Pedja,

here i recorded Cycle 4 only as an Mp3. Hope this is ok.

 Cycle4_Dorian_Mode.mp3 ( 684.44K ) : 142


tomorrow i try to record Cycle 5 (maybe with video again)

cheers Roman

Posted by: Pedja Simovic Nov 21 2009, 05:27 PM

Great work Roman!
You can record chords with some less active rhythm maybe whole notes or half notes. You don't have to strum them on every single click

Posted by: edguy Nov 22 2009, 03:53 PM

Hey Pedja,

is my gp5 file for cycle 5 correct?

 Cycle_5_DorianMode.gp5 ( 4.16K ) : 91


cheers Roman

Posted by: Pedja Simovic Nov 22 2009, 03:58 PM

The notes are all correct !
I would change chord symbols from C to C min7, G to G min7 etc. Also in Guitar pro when you do Cycle 5 you have to be careful about sharps and flats. So C dorian comes from Bb Ioanian and that scale has flats! G dorian comes from F Ionian which has one flat only etc

This will be great to correct as it makes you think of the origin of the scales, scale degrees and theory and harmony behind it!

Posted by: edguy Nov 22 2009, 06:02 PM

Hey Pedja,

the video is done I have some muscle ache in my forearms so the playing is not so fluid





I changed the Chord Names in the gp5 file. What do you mean with this :



For me C dorian has the Notes: C D D# F g A A# C
G dorian: G A A# C D E F G and so on.

cheers Roman

Posted by: Pedja Simovic Nov 22 2009, 06:29 PM

Great work with video Roman just slight mistake on F# dorian

Regarding letter names... You can't have in one scale in this case C dorian same note twice. It is just not possible unless its an octave C note itself. So you said "For me C dorian has the Notes: C D D# F g A A# C". What actually needs to happen is D# needs to become Eb and A# needs to become Bb. Why is that? Its the same notes and they sound the same but in theory C dorian comes from Bb major scale and that scale has 2 flats Bb and Eb.
Now try to correct the problem with G dorian and same goes for all the rest of Dorian modes!

Posted by: edguy Nov 24 2009, 11:59 AM

Ah i always forgot this :D You said this before. Be sure i don't make this mistake again.

Is there anything i have to do at the moment ? or will we go on to the next assignment?

cheers Roman

Posted by: Pedja Simovic Nov 24 2009, 12:00 PM

I will post your assignment today Roman, stay tuned

Posted by: edguy Nov 24 2009, 12:14 PM

cool

have a nice day

Posted by: Pedja Simovic Nov 24 2009, 03:08 PM

Here we go with Assignment 4 and REC !


- Learn Triads in major series part 1 lesson found http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/ls/Triads_in_Major_Scale_Series_Part_1/
- Record the lesson using backing track provided below
- Make a video of yourself playing it which you will submit by the end of November to REC board.

Let me know if you got any questions!

Pedja

Posted by: Pedja Simovic Nov 29 2009, 09:26 AM

Roman how is the last assignment coming along?

Posted by: edguy Nov 29 2009, 10:24 AM

Hey Pedja,

because of the new GMC Design i had the last 3 days problems to access GMC.
I know the first part of the lesson now but i have a problem with my pinky there. On string set 654 when i have to press down the note on the 19 fret my A string does not sound anymore. There are 2 possibilities why this happens.

1. My pinky is a little buckled. Therefore it is hard to play wide stretches and this chord.
2. I learned it wrong to use my pinky and now after 4 years it is hard to change it.

But i will try to finish it next week.

cheers Roman

Posted by: Pedja Simovic Nov 29 2009, 10:33 AM

Hey Roman,

If pinky is difficult for you in that situation feel free to adapt the fingerings to your own needs. The ones I did are just suggestions I think you should do. If you however come up with easier and smother way to transition between the chords, I say go for it!
Waiting for the video

Posted by: edguy Nov 29 2009, 10:57 AM

Hey,

is it possible that you can convert the gp file to gp4 so that i can use it. That would be cool.

cheers Roman

Posted by: Pedja Simovic Nov 29 2009, 11:03 AM

Here you go Roman

Posted by: edguy Nov 29 2009, 11:14 AM

Hey Pedja,

thanks that was fast. But it seems that i can't download it. Maybe it has something to do with the new GMC design because the download creates an error message. Could you send it to me per Mail? I send you a PM with my email adress.

cheers Roman

Posted by: Pedja Simovic Nov 29 2009, 11:30 AM

Done Roman, just sent you Gp4 file via email.

Posted by: Pedja Simovic Dec 3 2009, 10:06 AM

Roman how are you doing on the last assignment for November? We need to close this thread asap and get going on December work.
Waiting for you to complete the last assignment first

Posted by: edguy Dec 4 2009, 11:38 AM

Hey Pedja,

sorry for the delay. I have some problems with this lesson. I know now all the chords but with the finger picking the chords sound not nice.

Also the tempo is a problem. I practice it hard today and try to record it tomorrow. Again i am really sorry for the delay. I will do my best to finish it tomorrow.

stay tuned.

cheers Roman

Posted by: Pedja Simovic Dec 4 2009, 11:49 AM

Ok Roman I understand. Take your time just don't overdo things
Waiting for your recording!

Pedja

Posted by: edguy Dec 5 2009, 04:43 PM

Hey Pedja

is it possible that you can send me a backing track at 100 bpm or 90 ?

that qould be cool. I dont think i can do it at full speed at the moment.

Posted by: edguy Dec 5 2009, 09:46 PM

Ok Pedja,


i tried it really hard but i can't get a result which i can accept. I have a big blockade in my head to make this sound good.

Here is what i got:

 MTP_A4.mp3 ( 986K ) : 95

Posted by: Pedja Simovic Dec 6 2009, 10:08 AM

I hear what you mean Roman and I am glad you are very self critical. This is enough to pass the assignment however I want you to keep working on it outside of MTP to get those voicings in time. I will now close this thread and open today for you December thread!

Posted by: Pedja Simovic Dec 8 2009, 10:13 AM

Roman I overlooked one thing. You were supposed to do a REC take with your last assignment. So please record a video of it with backing track and submit it for REC and this thread here. After that we will be able to do December assignments!

Posted by: edguy Dec 8 2009, 10:50 AM

Hey Pedja,

i have a video file for the mp3 i posted. Now i have 2 options to choose. Sync the video with the mp3 file and upload it again as a video. Or i can try to do a better version with video. What do you think?

Ah that i get this the right way: I have to post the video in the REC section???

Posted by: Pedja Simovic Dec 8 2009, 11:37 AM

Hey Roman,

I would sync it and post it so we can get going to December's work
Post it in the REC section and just embed it here as well so we can close the Novembers thread.

Posted by: edguy Dec 8 2009, 10:27 PM

Hey Pedja,

i recorded a new take. I think you can hear an improvement. Not good as it should be but i work hard on it believe me. I read in the MTP thread of Zen something about finger picking.You said that most of the people pick to hard with their thumb at first. I think thats also my biggest problem and therefore this lesson don't sound that good.

here is the video:

Posted by: Pedja Simovic Dec 8 2009, 11:10 PM

Hey Roman,

This is better than previous take for sure. I like your fingering and timing is good also. There are two chord voicings that didn't go as planed. I would grade this around 7 or 8 for REC. Submit it and lets see what happens with it. Your finger picking sounds OK , don't worry too much about it right now. I am positive within a week of playing this lesson or less you could have absolutely perfect results.
Now we can close this thread and you can continue with your December assignment!