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Posted by: Pedja Simovic Apr 10 2009, 02:37 PM

Post your takes here. More about time feel soloing collaboration go to link bellow

http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_forum/index.php?showtopic=26430

Posted by: superize Apr 12 2009, 09:39 AM

Here is my take

Posted by: Pedja Simovic Apr 12 2009, 10:17 AM

Very nice superize !

I will keep it for final mix, if you feel like it you can submit more takes for fun

Posted by: Siggum Apr 13 2009, 05:58 PM

Hey Pedja,

Here is my take, i really enjoyed the backing.

 Siggum_TimeFeel_WBT.mp3 ( 1.32MB ) : 231



 Siggum_TimeFeel_NOBT.mp3 ( 1.32MB ) : 181

Posted by: Frederik Apr 13 2009, 06:03 PM

Here is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSUNc12EacQ

Its recordet with webcam, so u dont have to get it in the final mix, but i would really love some feedback, cause i think it came out well

-Frederik

Posted by: Pedja Simovic Apr 13 2009, 06:44 PM

Cool take Siggum thank you !



Frederik you did good man Put guitar volume a bit louder next time when you record. I will see if I can extract audio from that video somehow, will let you know for sure

Posted by: Pedja Simovic Apr 13 2009, 08:38 PM

Ok here is my take for this collaboration.
Hope you like it

Posted by: Marek Rojewski Apr 15 2009, 08:49 PM

My effort:
 time.mp3 ( 534.48K ) : 233

 time_wobt.mp3 ( 534.48K ) : 180

Posted by: Red Apr 15 2009, 08:53 PM

I liked the take a lot, especially the run in the middle

Edit: Spelling

Posted by: Pedja Simovic Apr 15 2009, 09:53 PM

Nice take Marek !
I will use it for final mix for sure, thank you for submitting it on time



Glad you did, I will make a lesson out of it by the end of this month for sure

Posted by: lcsdds Apr 15 2009, 10:06 PM

What the......Did I hear some shredding in their Pedja? I'm still waiting for "Yngwie plays a hollowbody" too....

Nice take Pedja.....nice to hear you use some gain!!!

Posted by: Pedja Simovic Apr 15 2009, 10:11 PM

Haha thanks Monte !
I was really looking forward to your response. Figured you would enjoy those 16th note triplets at the end

Posted by: wrk Apr 17 2009, 10:44 AM

Thanks Pedja for the auto-signup ..

Here is my first take. I hope i understood the task right .. basically i played something slow at the beginning and faster in the second part (?)

 Pedja_Class_3_TimeFeel_02_wbt.mp3 ( 980.61K ) : 223
 Pedja_Class_3_TimeFeel_02_nbt.mp3 ( 955.57K ) : 177

Posted by: Pedja Simovic Apr 17 2009, 11:20 AM

Sure thing Andy. Thank for this first take. It sounds ok but I think you can do better of course
Its up to you how you want to divide fast and slow playing. You can also approach it with slow melody vs fast melody all the way trough. I kind of developed in the first section and then second section was mostly double time feel with exception of question answer type phrasing.

Good work so far, keep working on it !

Posted by: wrk Apr 17 2009, 01:12 PM

You have no mercy Pedja ... clients keep saying this a lot lately that i could do better. When a guitar teacher start now to tell me the same thing, then the crises finally reached me as well .. or i just get old

Sure, i will continue to work on this and try different things out. Hope i will find enough time for another take. Thanks for the feedback

Posted by: Pedja Simovic Apr 17 2009, 01:28 PM

Sorry to make it sound rough man, but I do think you can do better. Especially with double time feel.
Perhaps you can start even slower with half time feel ?
Half notes, whole notes and such. Then move on to quarters and in double time feel do 16th notes.

You are not getting old I just know you can have a better take. Deadline will be extended until 28th most likely so it gives you extra 10 days or so

Posted by: kaznie_NL Apr 17 2009, 06:37 PM

Hay Pedja,

Just a little check. I'll upload a test take, would this be good, just on the timing level? I know it has some minor timing issues, I just want to know if the difference in timing is big enough!

Posted by: Pedja Simovic Apr 17 2009, 06:38 PM

Hey Kaz,

You did good job with this so far. I like double time feel with triplet feel towards the end. I would like to see more of that if possible and perhaps play one slow melody then respond with fast one etc.
Let me know if you have any questions.
Good work so far !

Posted by: wrk Apr 18 2009, 08:03 AM

No problem Pedja. It was not rough at all
I will concentrate more on double time feel from one sequence to another and try to do another take.

Posted by: Pedja Simovic Apr 18 2009, 08:16 AM

Awesome Andy !

If it helps I will upload guitar pro file for my take, so you can analyze a bit what I did in double time section.

Posted by: Outlaw2112 Apr 20 2009, 05:10 AM

Hey pedja,

hope this meets the standards..



ohh yeah and i used a harmonic minor for this solo...

Posted by: Pedja Simovic Apr 20 2009, 04:00 PM

Hey John,

You definitely did half and double time feel in your solo. Half time in the very beginning and double time trough out rest of the solo.
One thing that you can work on is lock those rhythms in your hands, play it tighter, especially with 8th notes and triplets.

I would record the same take but clear it up a bit and it will be acceptable for sure

Posted by: Outlaw2112 Apr 21 2009, 04:48 AM

round 2 redid it tonight...

Posted by: Pedja Simovic Apr 21 2009, 10:26 AM

Much better already !
You see when you improve phrasing immediately sounds stronger, good work.

Now I can suggest two more things:

1) Work on the sound
Lower the gain because there is lots of it and notes are not heard because of it. This is especially case in lower register (bottom 2-3 strings). Another thing you can also do here is change your EQ settings, drop down lows, increase highs and mids...

2) More double time
Try to work in your solo some 8th note triplets or perhaps 16th note scale run or passage. It can be arpeggio, scale run , repeated melody/lick - anything you want it to be. Just try to have a bit more of it.


Thanks John, this is going great !

Posted by: kaznie_NL Apr 21 2009, 07:55 PM

So here's my take, have fun with it

Posted by: berko Apr 21 2009, 09:42 PM

Hi Pedja!

This is a pretty straight forward solo. I didn't accurately apply the half-double concept, rather, there are some 8ths, 16ths and 16th triplets. Basically where the pace of the drums suggested I kinda started to speed up.

I don't think I'll be able to do other stuff over this backing this month cause there are other things going on... university started it's pre-exam period and there are a lot of things to do... but this is a superb jam track so it went (as all the others) straight to my "funky-fusion-jazz jamming" folder

Thanks again for the opportunity, I'm already looking forward to your comments!

 time_feel_collab_berko_w_BT.mp3 ( 567.67K ) : 194

 time_feel_collab_berko_nBT.mp3 ( 567.67K ) : 177

Posted by: Pedja Simovic Apr 22 2009, 09:51 AM

Nice take Kaz !
I like it but you can make ending stronger if you want. All the things I asked for as assignment are there, good job man !



Hi Berko !

This was mixture of different rhythms and you displayed regular vs double time feel well here. As you mentioned, the phrasing or placement of the rhythms is sloppy a bit, so thats why solo sounds weaker.
I will accept this of course as you did everything I asked for. Deadline will be 28th of April so if you have chance to record it again that would be super cool

Thanks Berko !

Posted by: berko Apr 22 2009, 10:06 AM

Nice to hear that I actually somewhat met the standards after all... With such a great backing it won't be hard to get inspired if I have some spare time! I'm still trying to warm up for Emir's 180 bpm track, so not even considering university, this week is still going to be busy.

It got a bit sloppy because I improvised the last legato and tapping part. But I was pretty much satisfied with it especially because I managed to hit that G# over the E7 chord and that added a little exotic vibe to it (exotic for me at least).

All in all, I'll see what I can do!
thans again!

Posted by: jonathan Apr 22 2009, 04:54 PM

hey pedja. here's my take!! please let me know what you think.

any advice is always welcomed especially because this is the first time i take part in a collaboration.

Posted by: Pedja Simovic Apr 23 2009, 11:40 AM

Great Berko, see what you can do. As I said if you don't manage to do more, I will accept this one as final take. Thanks man.



Hey Jonathan,
Thanks for submitting your take. Its always great to have first timer around
I think you displayed both slow and faster playing. You mostly did whole notes and 8th notes as double time feel.
I can suggest something about your take. If you have time to record it again, pay attention to the triplets you played towards the end and overall make your phrasing tighter.
The best thing to do is record same solo (if you composed it that is) couple of times , choose the best take and then submit it.
If you don't manage to submit another one, I will accept this one as it meets standards in terms of regular and double time feel topic.
Thank you for joining Jonathan, let me know if you have any questions.

Pedja

Posted by: enforcer Apr 23 2009, 06:29 PM

Hey Pedja here is my take. There isn't an obvilous double time feeling in it, but I just couldn't sacrifice that beautiful backing track just to show you that I know what is halftime-doubletime feeling and sincerely I am sorry about that But I didn't cheated, at first part all the notes are whole-half-or at least quarter. On the second part we have 8th 16th and 16 triplets (I guess)

Anyways hope you like it

Posted by: Pedja Simovic Apr 23 2009, 06:54 PM

Can this meets the standards for this class for sure As you mentioned, slow rhythms in first part, faster one in the second - does the work for me.
I will put you on completed list for time being but remember you can always submit more takes until 28th !
Thanks man !

Posted by: JamesT Apr 24 2009, 02:42 AM

Ok Pedja,
Here's my take. It sounded pretty good last night when I recorded it, but when I listened it today, it's just ok. .

Anyway, I hope you like it. I think that I captured the intent of the exercise using fast and slow parts to add interest. I'm working to combine some things from of each of these collabs as we go forward. I didn't get any chord tone licks into this one, but I did make use of a sequence. Combining the various techniques you're having us explore with each collab is going to do wonders for my solos.

 20090423_DblTime_wbt.mp3 ( 1.31MB ) : 160

 20090423_DblTime_nobt.mp3 ( 1.31MB ) : 174


Oh yea, Andy, if you're out there, your's is phenomenal.

Posted by: Pedja Simovic Apr 24 2009, 08:51 AM

Wonderful Jim !
I like your take it will be included in the final mix

Posted by: Outlaw2112 Apr 24 2009, 12:37 PM

hey pedja,

my computer speakers are fried.. Im ordering some new ones, but til they arrive ill have to keep the same
take i have..

Posted by: Pedja Simovic Apr 24 2009, 12:48 PM

No problem John. If you they arrive in time fine, if not I will keep the last take. Thanks

Posted by: jonathan Apr 24 2009, 03:00 PM

hey pedja, thanks for your advice. i'll try to find some time tomorrow to record my solo again and hopefully improve a little. what can i do to make the triplets sound better?

Posted by: Pedja Simovic Apr 24 2009, 05:45 PM

You welcome Jonathan.
Try to practice them with metronome click and with backing later. IT should help !

Posted by: Farmer Joe Apr 24 2009, 08:11 PM

Hey Pedja, I recorded a take quite a few days ago and i wanted to see what you think. This will not be my final take, I showed it to Velvet Roger too and we both agreed I could do better.
I finally have time this weekend after about a week and a half of doing non-stop work and school work related stuff, so I am going to write a new part and record.
Here's the take I recorded so far so that you can take a quick listen. I did what I could with what i know and am able to do on the guitar to this point, but I know I can write something better. Please give me some suggestions whenever you get a chance
Thanks man

 Farmer_Joe_Time_Feel_Collab_Unfinished_wBT_.mp3 ( 1.3MB ) : 162

Posted by: Pedja Simovic Apr 25 2009, 02:56 AM

Hey Joe,

I just had a chance to listen to your take.

You did display both slow and fast rhythms. However, I had a feeling from your take that you were sticking to "safe play" in other words doing chord tones as much as possible. I didn't hear much development in your take nor double time feel.

I would really to hear some 16th note run there, even repeated lick or arpeggio line. If you can't come up with 16th note line do 8th note triplets but make them sound as tight as possible with backing.
Another thing is of course to develop from what you were doing in first 4 to 8 bars. That can be a nice starting point, but you need to take it further and make something more melodic and evolved out of it.

Hope that makes sense.

Let me know if you have any questions !

Pedja

Posted by: Farmer Joe Apr 25 2009, 03:21 AM

Thanks for the response Pedja

You're absolutely right though, I did play this really safe. I understand what you're telling me too, so I will get right to work on that. But it is good to know that I can salvage something from this take to build on for my final submission. I haven't really played any 16th or 8th note triplets much at all, but tonight, tomorrow, and sunday are great times to give this as much practice as possible. I did just buy a new metronome too, so its time to break it in

Thanks again for your help, Pedja. I will work on all the things you pointed out.

Posted by: Pedja Simovic Apr 25 2009, 01:06 PM

You welcome Joe

I am glad you will work on things mentioned. Even if you don't get the chance to correct that in couple of days for new take, you can still continue to work in future.

Let me know if you need anything !

Pedja

Posted by: kjutte Apr 26 2009, 09:59 AM

My take, Pedja!

Posted by: Jesse Apr 26 2009, 11:30 AM

Wow, you guys' takes are awesome:D Kaz, what the heck, that was nice:D

Here is my take. I jammed like, 10 times to it, and memorized fun licks.... but it's still, wack:D

My mom liked it:D hahaha

Posted by: Pedja Simovic Apr 26 2009, 02:48 PM

Kjutte I like what you did over E7#9

I did not hear much rhythm variety in your take however. Try to do another take and divide sections if you can between slow and fast rhythms you will play.
Hope that helps man !



Jesse sounds melodic but same thing as I told Kjutte. Try to do a take where you have clear and precise balance between fast and slow rhythms.

Let me know if you need any help !

Here is my take on youtube !


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TA75mSOyAjo&fmt=18

Posted by: Velvet Roger Apr 26 2009, 03:37 PM

Hi Pedja,

Here it is (finally), playing/recording with a headache is absolutely not a good idea

Cheers
Roger

Posted by: Pedja Simovic Apr 26 2009, 03:40 PM

Roger this works man !
Thank you for doing multiple takes, I will keep this one if you don't mind
If you feel like recording same take couple more times do that, although this is acceptable.

Thanks Roger !

Posted by: Velvet Roger Apr 26 2009, 04:00 PM

I will stick with this one , given all the other things I have to do (MTP, other collabs etc).

Posted by: Jesse Apr 26 2009, 04:03 PM

To me, it's pretty balanced, but I'll make another take if you're not satisfied.

Posted by: Pedja Simovic Apr 26 2009, 04:19 PM

I will accept that take as it has both fast and slow rhythms plus you followed rules of this collaboration. I just figured you could make time feel change more obvious, go from very slow to very fast rhythm and do it in different sections perhaps.
No worries Jesse

Posted by: Jesse Apr 26 2009, 04:22 PM

Yeah. I wanted to go faster when the drum beat went, the first part went, then the second one, I thought too much and it didnt come out as fast:P

Posted by: Pedja Simovic Apr 26 2009, 04:28 PM

Thats exactly what I was talking about.
Its good to go from half notes to eight notes, but its even better to do half vs sixteen notes or WHOLE VS 16ths or even 8ths.

Posted by: kjutte Apr 26 2009, 09:25 PM

Ok Pedja, I will redo it I think. I appreciate your advice, it helps me because I find it hard to jam with this backing.

Posted by: Pedja Simovic Apr 26 2009, 09:44 PM

You welcome kjutte. I am excited to hear your final take !

Posted by: wrk Apr 27 2009, 12:31 AM

Before the time runs out i wanted to upload my 2nd take.
I started with half notes and developed from there. Hope this includes a bit more what you are looking for

 Pedja_Class_3_TimeFeel_04_wbt.mp3 ( 923.33K ) : 132
 Pedja_Class_3_TimeFeel_04_nbt.mp3 ( 911.05K ) : 133

Posted by: Pedja Simovic Apr 27 2009, 10:31 AM

Very nice Andy !
This one has more rhythm variety then previous take. Its up to you - tell me which one would you prefer for final mix ?

Posted by: wrk Apr 27 2009, 03:23 PM

Hm, .. as a solo i prefer the 1st take, but the 2nd is maybe the better choice for this time-feel collab, right?

Posted by: jonathan Apr 27 2009, 04:25 PM

Here's my second take. I did exactly what you said, recorded a few times and then chose the best one.
hope you like it

Posted by: Tolek Apr 27 2009, 04:56 PM

Here´s my take. A youtube video is being uploaded.


Here it is!

Posted by: GrannyKiller Apr 27 2009, 06:44 PM

Before I even record my take...is this acceptable?

 time_feel.gp4 ( 4.46K ) : 91


(haven't transcribed the drums, too lazy for that atm...)

Posted by: Pedja Simovic Apr 28 2009, 12:40 AM

I will use the 1st take then
Don't worry about 2nd take, I just wanted you to do more double time to stretch you out a bit Andy.



Thank you Jonathan !
Its better then the first one , I will accept this one



Tolek you love to cheat
Maybe a bit too much repetition in this one but you did what was asked for class
I will accept it of course !



This will work Dado, get to it as deadline is tomorrow !

Posted by: GrannyKiller Apr 28 2009, 07:56 AM

Alrighty then... :

With BT:  Time_feel_GrannyKiller_wBT.mp3 ( 915.59K ) : 150

Without BT:  Time_feel_GrannyKiller_woBT.mp3 ( 758.18K ) : 136

Posted by: Tolek Apr 28 2009, 02:07 PM

lol You´re crazy. It´s just a theme development. lol

Posted by: Dexxter Apr 28 2009, 03:34 PM

Here's my take

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Posted by: Farmer Joe Apr 28 2009, 03:58 PM

Hey Pedja, here's my final take, I tried as hard as I could with trying to get up to a double time feel as you suggested, but I just can't play 16th notes right just yet. I practiced for the past couple days, but it just wasn't enough, they still sound way too sloppy to record a solo with. Hopefully this take is adequate for the collab, I think it at least has the variances in speed from slow to fast playing.

 Farmer_Joe_Time_Feel_BT_mp3_.mp3 ( 1.3MB ) : 164


 Farmer_Joe_Time_Feel_noBT_mp3_.mp3 ( 1.22MB ) : 148

Posted by: Pedja Simovic Apr 28 2009, 07:29 PM

Great Dado , thank you !

P.S. Is tuning off with backing or is it my ear today ?



Sure , development ... exact same rhythm and notes, only ending different ....



Really nice Dexxter, thanks man !

Posted by: sted Apr 28 2009, 07:49 PM

Here be my effort Pedja, I know deadline is today but I may submit one or two more to fully understand things properly.

 time_feeling_wbt.mp3 ( 557.14K ) : 166

 time_feeling_nbt.mp3 ( 533.47K ) : 146

Posted by: GrannyKiller Apr 28 2009, 09:55 PM

hmmm, I dunno...sounds ok to me... but then again, my ear is not that developed

I always tune the guitar before recording...

Maybe the intonation is off cause my strings are really worn (my sweat is very toxic, so they wear quickly).

I'll try recording again, but unfortunately I don't have money for new strings ATM...

EDIT: just checked the intonation, it's waaaaay off. cca 1/8th step at 12th fret on all strings. sorry, I'm afraid I can't fix this ATM. The guitar is set up correctly, it has to be because of string wear.

Posted by: Pedja Simovic Apr 28 2009, 11:47 PM

Very nice Sted. Thank you for your take !



No problem Dado, I just figured I should mention it. I heard the take only once so I didn't pay attention if it was intonation or tuning, but some string sounded a bit off to me thats why I mentioned it.
No worries, I will keep the take, it has good structure and melodic approach.

Posted by: Sergio Dorado Apr 28 2009, 11:48 PM

Hi pedja. Here is my take. Thanks!
 time_soloing_bt.mp3 ( 564.92K ) : 154

 time_soloing_no_Bt.mp3 ( 564.92K ) : 137

Posted by: Pedja Simovic Apr 29 2009, 12:09 AM

Nice take Sergio, thanks for participating man - I know you were on tight schedule thats why

Posted by: Sergio Dorado Apr 29 2009, 10:41 AM

Hi Pedja. Yesterday I recorded the take a little hurried. This morning I´ve do another that I think is a bit better, as well Ive used more appropiate sound. Here is
 time_feel_2_Bt.mp3 ( 604.92K ) : 148

 time_feel_2_no_bt.mp3 ( 604.92K ) : 140

Posted by: Pedja Simovic Apr 29 2009, 11:01 AM

Very nice of you Sergio to record it again !
I like pick up change in this one, also playing sounds stronger (phrasing).

I will use this one man, thanks a lot !